55K Desktop - For home with some games

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1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.' Vague answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work.)
Ans: Games like Dirt 2 Rally, Dirt 4, Eclipse for programming, and the usual Microsoft Word app or some free clone.

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then please mention.
Ans: 55K

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: No

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Dual boot Fedora / Windows 10

5. How much hard drive / solid-state drive space is needed?
Ans: 500GB SSD, do I need to add another hard disk for games, I will have maybe 3 or 4 games installed in Steam at a time at the most.

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention the screen size and resolution you prefer. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, then do mention the screen size and resolution of the monitor you have.
Ans: No, already have a Full HD monitor

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy? i.e. which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard, Speakers

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: Within a month

9. Have you ever built a desktop before? Or, will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: I have built before, but trying to get this built by an assembler

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Kochi, either local assemble will get the parts for me, or I can order from Amazon and give it to him

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
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I have a Corsair VS450 power supply bought more than 2 years ago. Can I use this with a discrete graphics card. Also I prefer going with an AMD config.
I also have an APC Back UPS 600, will this suffice?

Following is a config suggested by local assembler.
Amd ryzen 3100- 9300
Asus mother board B450 MA- 7350
8 gb*2.(16 gb). memory, 3000-g skill-..3200*2=6400
1650 super 4 gb zodac...13390.
500 gb ssd, wd-...5890
550w smps gigabyte-3500
Cabin spec 01-3250
Total including GST... 58,400

I will of course change that SMPS to something Corsair or something else. And I don't know what that cabin spec 01-3250 brand is. How else does the above config look?

I don't know where you checked the prices, GST is already included in the price. If not, don't buy from that place.
You can check out Asrock B450 Pro4, instead.
And for PSU, Corsair CX450 is a better option.

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Let's say I build the PC myself, are all the above components compatible with each other?
Is Zotac a reliable brand for GPU?
Will this config be able to play Dirt 2 Rally at 1920×1080 in medium settings?

Make sure B450 has new BIOS pre-flashed to support Ryzen 3000 (newer stocks have it).

Zotac is good & they provide 5 year warranty in total by registering in their website within 30 days of purchase.

Get GTX 1650 Super (not 1650), that is equivalent to GTX 1060, which a lot of games are recommending these days.

The pic from pcpartpicker is a good rig with good parts.

Check theitdepot, md computers and Primeabgb as well. Generally they have better pricing than Amazon.

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nac said:
Check theitdepot, md computers and Primeabgb as well. Generally they have better pricing than Amazon.

Which among these can be trusted to process returns if there is some issue with the delivered product?

elbin.p said:
Which among these can be trusted to process returns if there is some issue with the delivered product?

Amazon will likely have better returns. Some people have faced with those sellers at times, so depends. Try local market, maybe Kochi has some good PC shops with good options.

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Is that Ryzen overpriced? Is there a better option for similar price? Will CX450 suffice for GPU, harddisk and ssd?

This is the final config I want to order. Any advice?

Yes, CPU is overpriced, GPU price is too much, HDD by few hundreds, there is ATX version of that board available.
Yeah, PSU is good enough.

Better/other option is i3 10100F but you prefer AMD, right?

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Right, I want to go AMD. Is the ATX version of the board better, I guess the cabinet will support it anyway. GPU is available in Flipkart for below price. I have not tried md computers or prime abgb, not sure how reliable is their return policy.

ZOTAC NVIDIA GAMING GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER Twin Fan 4 GB GDDR6 Graphics Card (Black)

₹15,989

elbin.p said:
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Is that Ryzen overpriced? Is there a better option for similar price? Will CX450 suffice for GPU, harddisk and ssd?

This is the final config I want to order. Any advice?

R3 3100 has been 8.5k with some sellers even recently. PCpartpicker India almost always has high prices (you can get 1660S for that 1650S listed price). Get price quotes from local sellers or other reputed sellers but the parts are good.

Just a suggestion, If you find 1660 Super under 20K and willing to spend that much, then better to buy that instead of 1650 Super.

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elbin.p said:
This is the final config I want to order. Any advice?

Change ssd to this:

*www.amazon.in/Kingston-Internal-2000MB-SA2000M8-500G/dp/B07VXCFNVS/

Change hdd to this(personal preference only because of my very bad experience with WD recently which you can check in my thread in Warranty RMA section, if your luck has been good with WD then no issue).

*www.amazon.in/Seagate-BarraCuda-ST1000DM010-Desktop-Latest/dp/B01LNJBA2I/

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Let's say I go with AMD for GPU. Which would be a comparable one to 1650 Super and with native (open source) drivers in Linux.

elbin.p said:
Let's say I go with AMD for GPU. Which would be a comparable one to 1650 Super and with native (open source) drivers in Linux.

Don't know about Linux, but RX580 & RX 5500XT are comparable in performance.

elbin.p said:
Let's say I go with AMD for GPU. Which would be a comparable one to 1650 Super and with native (open source) drivers in Linux.

RX580 is old and heavier on PSU compare to 5500XT. But 5500XT was released at overpriced cost and prices never dropped, hence everyone either suggests 1650S or 1660S under 20K budget. See if you can find a used RX580 or even a RX480 at good prices and then may be save money and get a new GPU next year after AMD releases its new mid range lineup.

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Gigabyte 1650 Super is available for 12700/- + tax in local seller. Is Gigabyte reliable?

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elbin.p said:
Gigabyte 1650 Super is available for 12700/- + tax in local seller. Is Gigabyte reliable?

It is considered lower than zotac & asus for nvidia cards so unless it really is your last option I would suggest to spend a bit more & get one from zotac or asus.

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Ryzen 3100 - 8747/-
Asus B450M - PRO motherboard. 8925/-
Asus 1650 Super graphics card /- 16700/-

I bought the above items from local sellers. But now I can't find the Corsair power supplies anywhere online!!

elbin.p said:
Ryzen 3100 - 8747/-
Asus B450M - PRO motherboard. 8925/-
Asus 1650 Super graphics card /- 16700/-

I bought the above items from local sellers. But now I can't find the Corsair power supplies anywhere online!!

B450 mobos aren't worth above 8-8.5k due to B550. Even GPU is on the expensive side, but what's done is done.

Get any 80+ bronze rated ~500W PSU, should be more than enough.

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elbin.p said:
I have a Corsair VS450 power supply bought more than 2 years ago.

Will the above power supply be enough? There's also Corsair CV550, for 4299/- in Amazon. What's the difference between CX and CV series?

elbin.p said:
Will the above power supply be enough? There's also Corsair CV550, for 4299/- in Amazon. What's the difference between CX and CV series?

CV seems like a new model, but is a tier below CX series in terms of quality. CX450/550 are the best budget PSUs for gaming rigs.
[psucultists] PSU Tier List

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Which among these is most reliable and would suit the parts that I have already ordered below.

Ryzen 3100
Asus GTX 1650 Super
Asus B450M motherboard
Kingston 500GB M.2 Nvme
Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB
Ripjaws 3200Mhz 8GB * 2
Corsair Carbide 100R cabinet

elbin.p said:
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Which among these is most reliable and would suit the parts that I have already ordered below.

Ryzen 3100
Asus GTX 1650 Super
Asus B450M motherboard
Kingston 500GB M.2 Nvme
Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB
Ripjaws 3200Mhz 8GB * 2
Corsair Carbide 100R cabinet

Get Corsair CV550 or CM MWE

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elbin.p said:
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Which among these is most reliable and would suit the parts that I have already ordered below.

Ryzen 3100
Asus GTX 1650 Super
Asus B450M motherboard
Kingston 500GB M.2 Nvme
Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB
Ripjaws 3200Mhz 8GB * 2
Corsair Carbide 100R cabinet

I am having exactly same problem and this is bit tricky.
except CM, other two are with old gen topology, however, both Antec and Corsair are among few who are reliable. CM was not considered good but new series has changed that. Both CV and CX in corsair are with old group regulated topology and are not considered good in 2020. I feel a refresh is in card for CX series. new gen PSUs are more reliable and have high efficiency. Its debatable if you really need the new gen ones but its always good to have new gen topology.

agree with @omega44-xt , you can take either CM or corsair from the list.

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daemon1 said:
CX in corsair are with old group regulated topology and are not considered good in 2020.

This is completely wrong, Corsair CX 2017 series is the best budget psu model available in India. You are thinking about older CX series which had group regulation & were considered poor/avg in quality.
@chimera201

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whitestar_999 said:
This is completely wrong, Corsair CX 2017 series is the best budget psu model available in India. You are thinking about older CX series which had group regulation & were considered poor/avg in quality.
@chimera201

You are right, I got confused with the same series name. The newer one are DC to DC.

Latest CX series is DC-DC. CV450 and CV550 is group regulated though. Coolermaster doesn't have competing PSUs at the respective price points.

*www.jongerow.com/Corsair_PSU_hierarchy/index.html

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Eh, so I ordered Corsair CV550. Any reason I need to cancel that? Corsair CV 650 has DC to DC ( and I don't know what that means) and is available at 5299/- Do I really need that for my config.

Availability is a problem. Either you could wait for the CX series to come in stock and nab it fast or get the *sigh* CV650. The Antec Earthwatts Gold Pro 650W (which is a much better PSU) is in stock if you are willing to increase budget to 7K.

elbin.p said:
Eh, so I ordered Corsair CV550. Any reason I need to cancel that? Corsair CV 650 has DC to DC ( and I don't know what that means) and is available at 5299/- Do I really need that for my config.

For your system, it should be fine IMO.

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chimera201 said:
Availability is a problem. Either you could wait for the CX series to come in stock and nab it fast or get the *sigh* CV650. The Antec Earthwatts Gold Pro 650W (which is a much better PSU) is in stock if you are willing to increase budget to 7K.

How is the power usage calculated as in this case for OPs requirement 450w PSU is enough. I guess they only consume on the actual usage however you can use the max allowed? in other words do these high watt PSU consume more power even if the requirement is far less?

daemon1 said:
How is the power usage calculated as in this case for OPs requirement 450w PSU is enough. I guess they only consume on the actual usage however you can use the max allowed? in other words do these high watt PSU consume more power even if the requirement is far less?

It only consumes as much is required.

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*www.amazon.in/gp/product/B00RORBQNW/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 This one only has a small front intake section. Which fan should I add to the front panel?

elbin.p said:
Amazon.in: Buy Corsair Carbide Series 100R CC-9011075-WW Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ATX (not Included) Power Supply Online at Low Prices in India | Corsair Reviews & Ratings This one only has a small front intake section. Which fan should I add to the front panel?

120/140mm fans. Get any from a reputed brand, will cost like 500 per fan. This seems good:
Deepcool RF120 FS Case Fan

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I am a little confused. The description says non windowed, but the image shows something else. I am ok with a non windowed version, but is this the 100R silent version that I think already has a front panel fan.

elbin.p said:
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I am a little confused. The description says non windowed, but the image shows something else. I am ok with a non windowed version, but is this the 100R silent version that I think already has a front panel fan.

The seller has stated in Q&A that it has just 1 fan (likely in rear as pic) & users have said that side panel indeed has transparent area.

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elbin.p said:
I am a little confused. The description says non windowed, but the image shows something else. I am ok with a non windowed version, but is this the 100R silent version that I think already has a front panel fan.

omega44-xt said:
The seller has stated in Q&A that it has just 1 fan (likely in rear as pic) & users have said that side panel indeed has transparent area.

I got the same cabinet & it has 1 rear fan & windowed side panel. One very annoying & majorly overlooked issue in reviews though in this model is very difficult to connect multiple hdd/ssd with the usual sata power connectors in a chain like cable. Basically you won't be able to close the side panel without a lot of effort if you install hdd/ssd in more than 1 bay & your psu has has multiple sata power connectors like this:

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whitestar_999 said:
I got the same cabinet & it has 1 rear fan & windowed side panel.

Which fan did you install for the front intake? Considering the intake openings are small

elbin.p said:
Which fan did you install for the front intake? Considering the intake openings are small

Why not buy a better cabinet if you are worried about cooling? Like MSI MAG Forge 100M, costs 4.7k, a better case & has 3 pre-installed fans. If say your order hasn't delivered, you can cancel it.
Buy Online MSI MAG FORGE 100M (ATX) Mid Tower Cabinet With Tempered Glass Side Panel & RGB Controller - in India

Ask local sellers for it as well.

IMO just add a fan up front to 100R & forget. It will run a bit on the hot side, but shouldn't overheat.

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elbin.p said:
Which fan did you install for the front intake? Considering the intake openings are small

I had an old 120mm fan from my old cabinet(I think it is deepcool 120mm non-rgb) & my main aim was to cool multiple hdd for which it seems to work fine. I only got 100R because I needed at least 4 hdd bays with possibility to add more via 5.25" optical drive bays. If you are not going to use more than 1/2 hdd(ssd you can connect even without bays & just leave them hanging or use tape to fix them on drive cage etc) then no reason to specifically go for 100R.

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The top vents are for exhaust right? So if I am not going to attach fans there, closing it off with something should be OK right?

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elbin.p said:
The top vents are for exhaust right? So if I am not going to attach fans there, closing it off with something should be OK right?

No, hot air always move up(laws of physics) so closing top vents is never a good idea in any place where heat is generated.

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Yay, I have it all running now. Just need to fit the hard disk when I get it on Monday. *2.bp.blogspot.com/-y1OsOs8Gmhg/VV11-lZsJ_I/AAAAAAAABS4/G5mYj01blsI/s1600/100R%2BBox%2BContents.jpg I am a little confused on how to install the front intake fan. I should use the long fan screws shown in this image right? And I need to screw it in from the inside of the case to the outside, right?

Also I went into BIOS and selected Load Optimized Defaults. The memory speed is set 21** something with that. It should be OK if I change it to 3200 right?

Yes, enable XMP profile to get 3200mhz.
See the fans and judge which screw they would need, long one or short one and try it. Yes, install it from out side.

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elbin.p said:
I am a little confused on how to install the front intake fan. I should use the long fan screws shown in this image right? And I need to screw it in from the inside of the case to the outside, right?

Also I went into BIOS and selected Load Optimized Defaults. The memory speed is set 21** something with that. It should be OK if I change it to 3200 right?

Long fan screws & you need to screw them in from outside(open front panel then put fan over exposed panel & then screw them in). What you said applies to small screws in case long screws are unable to reach the inside of the case because of more than standard width of fan.

In memory settings see xmp profile option & then load that to see if it loads successfully.

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The above one which I bought has a molex connector. It briefly lights up when I turn on the PC, but then no lights. Not a big issue, but why is that?

If power is being supplied through molex but it still doesn't light up then the LEDs may be defective.

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quicky008 said:
If power is being supplied through molex but it still doesn't light up then the LEDs may be defective.

In such cases LEDs usually don't light up at all.