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Amazon may discontinue in India&China over losses

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Akira
Akira Original post #1
Nov 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM
Global e-commerce company Amazon has said it sees "substantial uncertainties" in interpretation of Indian laws, which could impact its business in one of the world's fastest-growing multi-billion dollar online shopping market.

The US-based firm expressed similar views on rules in China.

"There are substantial uncertainties on the interpretation of China and India's laws, and is possible the government will take a view contrary to ours," Amazon said in a regulatory filing to the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

The firm said: "Our Chinese and Indian businesses and operations may be unable to continue to operate if we or our affiliates are unable to access sufficient funding or if China enforces contractual relationships with respect to the management and control of such businesses."

Amazon added if its international activities were found in violation of any existing or future China or India's laws or regulations, its businesses in those countries could be subject to fines and other financial penalties, have licences revoked, or be forced to shut.

It said in India the government restricted ownership or control of Indian companies by foreign entities involved in online multi-brand retail trading activities.

Amazon, like its domestic rivals Flipkart and Snapdeal, operates under a marketplace model, where it offers its platform to sellers across the country.

"For www.amazon.in, we provide certain marketing tools and logistics services to third-party sellers to enable them to sell online and deliver to customers. Though we believe these structures and activities comply with existing laws, they involve unique risks," Amazon added.

The disclosure comes amid reports of Amazon facing tax issues with local authorities in Karnataka.

In July, Amazon had said it will invest $2 billion (Rs 12,000 crore) in India to expand business, after its largest Indian rival Flipkart announced $1 billion in funding.

Amazon, which launched its marketplace in India last year, said the country is one of its fastest-growing markets and on track to touch $1 billion in gross sales.

However, according to media reports, the company is logging losses in India. A report in The Economic Times, citing the filing of Amazon Seller Services with the Registrar of Companies, said the company's losses in the year ended 31 March mounted to Rs 321 crore. A report in the Mint says the figure was just Rs 24.6 crore in the previous year.

Also since FDI in online retail is not allowed in India...

Ajay Seth, commissioner of commercial taxes in the Karnataka government, on its stance, he said, "Amazon is acting like a commission agent engaged in dispatch of goods and generating tax invoice. Commission agents will have a tax liability as a seller. We have clarified the legal position to them. But they haven't understood the law and they are trying to interpret it in a way that's unique to them."

India also does not allow FDI in online retail. So most players, including Amazon, have established complicated structures that seek to show that the companies are merely providing a technology platform and logistical support for retailers in India to sell their products online and distribute them. The Enforcement Directorate is probing these structures, and it's far from clear how that will go.

I doubt they will stop operations completely, considering the amount of investments over the years, but if our archaic laws and goonda-bazaar situation does not improve, well, they will retreat(which is what brick-mortar businesses are counting on).

Sources: Firstpost | TOI
Skyh3ck
Skyh3ck #2
Nov 3, 2014 at 9:02 AM
no no no this is a sad news, it will give a free run to FK and SD, was hoping for some great compition
Gollum
Gollum #3
Nov 3, 2014 at 9:04 AM
Sad news indeed.
Indian laws need a change
Vyom
Vyom #4
Nov 3, 2014 at 10:02 AM
What really IS sad is the use of India And China together in one sentence, against the foreign trade. :(
ASHISH65
Nov 3, 2014 at 10:52 AM
Nothing wrong with it.Any Company need to follow country's law
a_k_s_h_a_y
Nov 3, 2014 at 11:27 AM
Amazon should shutdown in India. Why send money to jeff bezos ?
It should be replaced by many other indian start ups, that can compete with flipkart.
We should have india's own newegg! And a specific online stores for every different product.
Anorion
Anorion #7
Nov 3, 2014 at 11:27 AM
They should pay our taxes and follow our rules, and not avoid it by exploiting loopholes. Anything else is their decision, and their success or failure at capturing the market.
ssdivisiongermany1933
Nov 3, 2014 at 11:29 AM
if Amazon withdraws , we will be left with inflated price of flipkart and shoddy service of snapdeal , all delight of books at low price will go down the waters ..............

Hope the new government do something
$hadow
$hadow #9
Nov 3, 2014 at 2:44 PM
Looks like they were getting used to being in a monopolistic market where they always have upper hand.
theserpent
Nov 3, 2014 at 3:21 PM
Monopoly has to be stopped.Hope,Amazon stays we need competition, the only E-Commerce website that is worthy is Flipkart.I can't consider that fishmarket snapdeal as one.. no proper listing, everything is scattered
Akira
Akira #11
Nov 3, 2014 at 8:01 PM
Further Update: BusinessInsider

Indian laws are rather hostile to investment by foreign establishments. Lets face it: every business here gets fed up with "substantial uncertainties". Read: Greasing palms and keeping babus satisfied? Everyone who has ever lived in a heavy bribe-administrator state in India knows just how corrupt the system is.

If anyone had to hassle with government officials to keep running a small business eg. Parchuun ki dukaan(let alone a big online retail market); they would know that everything is about extorting the businessman: from a Fire NOC to cloth license. Not to mention "commissions" you have to deposit to your local MLA/MP in case of setting up factories. Why else do big firms like TATA or our online retailers are so hesitant to enter Uttar Pradesh?

Our laws are archaic, not used to modern businesses. It's one thing to give the government taxes, penalties, fines etc. but it's a fine line until it becomes extortion. There's a reason India's ranked at the bottom of "Ease of doing business" list. Modi's tried to ease the laws, hopefully we'll see results. Again, BJP could bow to political pressure from brick and mortar businesses, and restrict online retail freedom instead of making things easier.

"Acche Din" abhi door hain.
amjath
amjath #12
Nov 3, 2014 at 8:12 PM
Last year their turnover in India was 1 billion and invested 2 billion more. So I'm darn sure they will not leave. These new ministers need money so they are doing like this. If they through some bones they will keep quiet. ( I don't like politicians except some, if anyone hurt I don't mind :D)
sling-shot
Nov 3, 2014 at 8:59 PM
Politicians are probably not the prime moving factor here. I believe it is the competitors and offline chains/official dealers that are pushing the politicians to do their bidding. Politicians are rarely savvy enough to venture on their own. Once someone has prodded them to meddle then they will be sure to get some benefit from it. Be it financial/political.
S
Nov 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM
if Amazon withdraws , we will be left with inflated price of flipkart and shoddy service of snapdeal , all delight of books at low price will go down the waters ..............

Hope the new government do something

very true
theserpent
Nov 3, 2014 at 10:29 PM
The government will face pressure from ~ Consumer electronic manufacturers, major brick - mortar , trade union etc
ASHISH65
ASHISH65 #16
Nov 3, 2014 at 11:25 PM
Amazon should shutdown in India. Why send money to jeff bezos ?
It should be replaced by many other indian start ups, that can compete with flipkart.
We should have india's own newegg! And a specific online stores for every different product.

+100 :thumbs:
Darth Vader
Nov 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM
Amazon should shutdown in India. Why send money to jeff bezos ?
It should be replaced by many other indian start ups, that can compete with flipkart.
We should have india's own newegg! And a specific online stores for every different product.


Why Buy INTEL,AMD,APPLE,SAMSUNG,NVIDIA,DELL,IBM products etc. We should have our own Great Indian products. Keep dreaming :cool:
icebags
icebags #18
Nov 4, 2014 at 1:51 AM
i would rather wait for FK to open some serious business in US.
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doom #19
Nov 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM
It's a really sad news. I always preferred amazon even if the prices were slightly more then fk. The customer care of amazon is far better than Flipkart.
amjath
amjath #20
Nov 5, 2014 at 6:42 PM
It's a really sad news. I always preferred amazon even if the prices were slightly more then fk. The customer care of amazon is far better than Flipkart.
You don't have to call the cc for amazon, just go to the app click contact us and select the option they will call within a min
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doom #21
Nov 5, 2014 at 6:51 PM
You don't have to call the cc for amazon, just go to the app click contact us and select the option they will call within a min
That's what I meant. Their customer care is far superior than others. They even provide the option you mentioned above.
amjath
amjath #22
Nov 5, 2014 at 6:54 PM
That's what I meant. Their customer care is far superior than others. They even provide the option you mentioned above.
I wrote a mail for refund for amazon prime subscription to amazon US but I got reply for amazon India in few hours that my refund has been processed and got refund on the same day.