Are nintendo games hardcore?

If your top 5 best selling games include Zombi U and Monster Hunter then you are anything but casual. Xenoblade Chronicles is hardcore, The Last Story is hardcore, Pandoras Tower is hardcore. Shin Megami Tensei is hardcore. Fire Emblem is hardcore. Golden Sun is hardcore. Sin & Punishment is hardcore. Baten Kaitos is hardcore. Advance Wars is hardcore. Battalion Wars is hardcore. Kid Icarus is hardcore. Pokemon Conquest is hardcore. The Wonderful 101 is hardcore. Metroid is hardcore. Metroid Prime is hardcore. Super Smash Brothers is hardcore.

are these games really hardcore? or just because they have ridiculous game mechanics and have a long story line they are hardcore?

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I am not gonna bother proving that they are hardcore because you are quoting me and probably don't want my opinion.

But i have one thing to say:

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NoasArcAngel said:
are these games really hardcore? or just because they have ridiculous game mechanics and have a long story line they are hardcore?

What do you think is meant by hardcore? Hardcore games usually refer to games that require a decent amount of skill and time investment to complete, so going by that definition, yes, most of these are hardcore.

But dead5 is right, your intentions are good, but I fear we may have a console war brewing......

P.S. Out of all these games , the only ones I have played a decent amount of are Xenoblade and The Last Story, and although I am no veteran of JRPGs, I must disagree with you if think their gameplay mechanics were ridiculous

dead5 said:
I am not gonna bother proving that they are hardcore because you are quoting me and probably don't want my opinion.

But i have one thing to say:

*www.goldismoney2.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10341&d=1287528280&thumb=1

all is welcome, dont worry it will end well. With you (the cat) out of the windshield and me coming in an ambulance to treat you.

darkv0id said:
What do you think is meant by hardcore? Hardcore games usually refer to games that require a decent amount of skill and time investment to complete, so going by that definition, yes, most of these are hardcore.

But dead5 is right, your intentions are good, but I fear we may have a console war brewing......

P.S. Out of all these games , the only ones I have played a decent amount of are Xenoblade and The Last Story, and although I am no veteran of JRPGs, I must disagree with you if think their gameplay mechanics were ridiculous

what i think is meant by hardcore, is a game which requires certain skill. as simple as that and no i dont think using powerups which occur randomly throughout the game can be called hardcore.

NoasArcAngel said:
what i think is meant by hardcore, is a game which requires certain skill. as simple as that and no i dont think using powerups which occur randomly throughout the game can be called hardcore.

Well according to me, all of these games require a certain amount skill to enjoy and complete, so by your own definition, they are certainly hardcore. And the powerups in the Last Story don't make an insane amount of difference to your stats, I don't know how this one design choice detracts you from the "hardcore" experience.

darkv0id said:
Well according to me, all of these games require a certain amount skill to enjoy and complete, so by your own definition, they are certainly hardcore. And the powerups in the Last Story don't make an insane amount of difference to your stats, I don't know how this one design choice detracts you from the "hardcore" experience.

yes but powerups give you unfair advantage, so its not a matter of skill then. you cant end up comparing a banana peel and a rocket in mario kart. Ill go on record and say this that nintendo games are core, like xenobalde and pandoras tower etc, but certainly not hardcore.

NoasArcAngel said:
yes but powerups give you unfair advantage, so its not a matter of skill then. you cant end up comparing a banana peel and a rocket in mario kart. Ill go on record and say this that nintendo games are core, like xenobalde and pandoras tower etc, but certainly not hardcore.

So an RPG should not have moves and items that buff you up? And what makes you think the enemies cant do the same?

Just because you have run out of responses in the Fight Club thread which you turned into a nintendo is hardcore/ not hardcore thread from a meaningful debate about which console is the best, you post here hoping for vindication to satisfy that ego of yours?

Extreme Gamer said:
NoasArcAngel said:

yes but powerups give you unfair advantage, so its not a matter of skill then. you cant end up comparing a banana peel and a rocket in mario kart. Ill go on record and say this that nintendo games are core, like xenobalde and pandoras tower etc, but certainly not hardcore.

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So an RPG should not have moves and items that buff you up? And what makes you think the enemies cant do the same?

Just because you have run out of responses in the Fight Club thread which you turned into a nintendo is hardcore/ not hardcore thread from a meaningful debate about which console is the best, you post here hoping for vindication to satisfy that ego of yours?

@NoasArcAngel
This. Since the powerups are random, it's equally likely that your enemies will buff themselves as well.

Also, I think it's worth noting that the focus of The Last Story is it's single-player, where stuff like powerups become irrelevant. Just because one facet of the multiplayer makes you unhappy, doesn't mean the entire game should be labelled softcore.

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Okay, you asked for it.

A smash competitive match(Falco vs Marth):

The final boss in Pandoras Tower:

Fight with Mitra in the Last Story:

Fight with Zanza in Xenoblade Chronicles:

Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2:

Would link more but video limit and all.

Ill go on record and say this that nintendo games are core, like xenobalde and pandoras tower etc, but certainly not hardcore.

Did you know that core is short for hardcore?

Looks like dead5 was right, this did not end well for you.

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darkv0id said:
@NoasArcAngel
Also, I think it's worth noting that the focus of The Last Story is it's single-player, where stuff like powerups become irrelevant. Just because one facet of the multiplayer makes you unhappy, doesn't mean the entire game should be labelled softcore.

Yup. BTW, the multiplayer in TLS was pretty tacked on. The SP campaign is clearly where all the focus went.

There are thousands of Videos similar to the below.

Game : Super Street Fighter 4.

Looks like "Hardcore" means a lot different to lot of people around here.....lmao.

CALL OF TETRIS...

*chronicle.com/blognetwork/edgeofthewest/files/2012/11/duty_calls.png

This is what 2 people on this forum are reduced down to

what do u mean by Hardcore?
level of difficulty...or gameplay

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d3p said:
There are thousands of Videos similar to the below.

Game : Super Street Fighter 4.

Looks like "Hardcore" means a lot different to lot of people around here.....lmao.

CALL OF TETRIS...

I'm not sure what this has to do with this thread. Nobody thinks SF isn't hardcore. And SF isn't a Nintendo game either.

Well whether they are hardcore or not depends on your definition of hardcore. As per universal definition they are hardcore.

dead5 said:
I'm not sure what this has to do with this thread. Nobody thinks SF isn't hardcore. And SF isn't a Nintendo game either.

As mentioned before, the definition of hardcore depends on the maturity of the gamer & the gameplay.

IMO playing against bots with max difficulty doesn't make the game hardcore, example : "Super Mario Psusy"

And regarding the SF4 version for Nintendo 3DS sh!t : "CVG gave the 3DS Edition a score of 9.0, praising its appeal to both hardcore and casual gamers, as well as having as much content as its console counterpart.[61] Kotaku also praised the port, saying "if you are going to buy one 3DS game, get this"

Well the score & game ratings are something, which we don't believe these days till we conquer it.

d3p said:
As mentioned before, the definition of hardcore depends on the maturity of the gamer & the gameplay.

IMO playing against bots with max difficulty doesn't make the game hardcore, example : "Super Mario Psusy"

And regarding the SF4 version for Nintendo 3DS sh!t : "CVG gave the 3DS Edition a score of 9.0, praising its appeal to both hardcore and casual gamers, as well as having as much content as its console counterpart.[61] Kotaku also praised the port, saying "if you are going to buy one 3DS game, get this"

Well the score & game ratings are something, which we don't believe these days till we conquer it.

The definition of hardcore is independent of the maturity of the gamer.

Erm Super Mario isn't about bots BTW so I don't know where you got that idea from. And there are no difficulty settings either

Super Mario is a hardcore platformer through and through.

And by your own quote, SFIV 3DS appeals to both hardcore and casual players.

So think, research and determine what you're saying is correct before posting.

And I hate the 3DS so it isn't like I'm saying "Get a 3DS damn it".

Extreme Gamer said:
The definition of hardcore is independent of the maturity of the gamer.

Erm Super Mario isn't about bots BTW so I don't know where you got that idea from. And there are no difficulty settings either Super Mario is a hardcore platformer through and through.

And by your own quote, SFIV 3DS appeals to both hardcore and casual players.

So think, research and determine what you're saying is correct before posting.

And I hate the 3DS so it isn't like I'm saying "Get a 3DS damn it".

Its not an idea my friend, its called Experience....

Looks like you need to play Mario after all....what else to call the "Goomba, Koopa Troopa & Bowser" ??? Bots or Mario's Lost Brothers ???

d3p said:
Its not an idea my friend, its called Experience....

Looks like you need to play Mario after all....what else to call the "Goomba, Koopa Troopa & Bowser" ??? Bots or Mario's Lost Brothers ???

There is a big difference between having bots and being about bots.

BTW these are not bots, because they are not subsitutes for players/NPCs. Pseudo-AI yes, bots no.

Have people forgotten about the skill needed for Pokemon :shock:

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oh,and btw,Monster Hunter,which is also a Nintendo 3DS exclusive :cry:

(_|_ to you capcom!)
the Monster Hunter series on the PSP was the most hardcore game i've played yet.

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Oh, even though Mario Cart Racers was "kiddy" or whatever,it forced sony to make its own Kart racing rip-off game called ModNation Racers
so by that definition, Sony games are also not hardcore

@Dead5 : Buddy,let the troll ;-)

starve to death :twisted:

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CommanderShawnzer said:
Have people forgotten about the skill needed for Pokemon !
oh,and btw,Monster Hunter,which is also a Nintendo ~~3DS~~ exclusive (_|_ to you capcom!)
the Monster Hunter series on the PSP was the most hardcore game i've played yet.

FTFY. Also there for the Wii U

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I'm glad Capcom didn't heel to Sony's demands for trophies in MH and went to Nintendo instead. If there is one game where trophies don't belong it is MH.

Moving to Nintendo had other advantages too like faster localization and subscription free online multiplayer.

Mario should seriously retire and Nintendo should stop making him their poster boy. Had enough of that good for nothing character.

@dead5

Mate i'm also a huge fan of japanese developers and i'm not talking only about hideo kojima san.

If you wan't to try matured japanese games, then seriously consider the following:

1. ICO (Not our forum admin :grin:

) Ico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2.Shadow Of the Colossus
3.Fatal Frame II Crimson Butterfly (Get the wii version and it will work on your wii u)
4. Mgs hd collection

Except number 3, the others not in nintendo consoles whereas 1 and 2 are playstation exclusives.
Get your hands on the hd collection for better visuals.

dead5 said:
FTFY. Also there for the Wii U .

I'm glad Capcom didn't heel to Sony's demands for trophies in MH and went to Nintendo instead. If there is one game where trophies don't belong it is MH.

Moving to Nintendo had other advantages too like faster localization and subscription free online multiplayer. You are confusing Sony with M$,And there is ONLINE Multiplayer now!!!!?????

5 chars.

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CommanderShawnzer said:
5 chars.

No I'm not. Monster Hunter Frontier Online.

We got online multiplayer through Loc Lac city in MHTri and Port Taznia Monster Hunter 3G HD. Ver.

vickybat said:
Mario should seriously retire and Nintendo should stop making him their poster boy. Had enough of that good for nothing character.

@dead5

Mate i'm also a huge fan of japanese developers and i'm not talking only about hideo kojima san.

If you wan't to try matured japanese games, then seriously consider the following:

1. ICO (Not our forum admin ) Ico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2.Shadow Of the Colossus
3.Fatal Frame II Crimson Butterfly (Get the wii version and it will work on your wii u)
4. Mgs hd collection

Except number 3, the others not in nintendo consoles whereas 1 and 2 are playstation exclusives.
Get your hands on the hd collection for better visuals.

Lets look at your statement from another perspective:

"Nintendo should retire their most successful franchise and stop making a character who has Mickey Mouse level of recognisability their poster boy"

If you are tired of NSMB games, don't worry, there won't be another for 4 - 5 years atleast. Nintendo has said that their policy with NSMB is one game per platform. There is no reason for them to stop making awesome games like 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi RPG, Mario Party etc.

What makes you think i haven't played mature japanese games?

Baten Kaitos, Xenoblade Chronicles, Virtue's Last Reward, Majora's Mask etc. are all mature.

Note: Adult != Mature

Other than the obvious(Miyamoto, Iwata, Anouma etc.), there are plenty of awesome Japanese devs on board the Nintendo train including(but not limited to) Kamiya, Kojima, Inaba, Inafune, Mikami, Ono, Harada and Kikuchi.

dead5 said:
Lets look at your statement from another perspective:

"Nintendo should retire their most successful franchise and stop making a character who has Mickey Mouse level of recognisability their poster boy"

If you are tired of NSMB games, don't worry, there won't be another for 4 - 5 years atleast. Nintendo has said that their policy with NSMB is one game per platform. There is no reason for them to stop making awesome games like 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi RPG, Mario Party etc.

What makes you think i haven't played mature japanese games?

Baten Kaitos, Xenoblade Chronicles, Virtue's Last Reward, Majora's Mask etc. are all mature.

Note: Adult != Mature

Other than the obvious(Miyamoto, Iwata, Anouma etc.), there are plenty of awesome Japanese devs on board the Nintendo train including(but not limited to) Kamiya, Kojima, Inaba, Inafune, Mikami, Ono, Harada and Kikuchi.

Well that's what i think. They should look for a new poster boy.

Anyway mate, why you keep dragging yourself to that side again. We already had similar discussions in a different thread.
I simply gave you a list of games that i think you should really try and they are all from jap developers.

Why give me a nintendo list ranging from older gamecube system? Besides kojima won't be developing any new MGS titles for nintendo. The 3ds just got a remake of snake eater ( my fav though).

You heard of Fumito Ueda right?

vickybat said:
Mario should seriously retire and Nintendo should stop making him their poster boy. Had enough of that good for nothing character.

@dead5

Mate i'm also a huge fan of japanese developers and i'm not talking only about hideo kojima san.

If you wan't to try matured japanese games, then seriously consider the following:

1. ICO (Not our forum admin ) Ico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2.Shadow Of the Colossus
3.Fatal Frame II Crimson Butterfly (Get the wii version and it will work on your wii u)
4. Mgs hd collection

Except number 3, the others not in nintendo consoles whereas 1 and 2 are playstation exclusives.
Get your hands on the hd collection for better visuals.

Well, lookie here, the most famous nintendo franchise should be shut down?? Lolwut? This would be even bigger than Actibizzard shutting down COD, lol.
And then this is the year of Luigi so there is some change for you

jk

Mature Jap games also exist on nintendo consoles - MadWorld on Wii, and Contra on DS for example. You basically chose to ignore almost everything dead5 said in a previous thread.

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vickybat said:
Well that's what i think. They should look for a new poster boy.

Anyway mate, why you keep dragging yourself to that side again. We already had similar discussions in a different thread.
I simply gave you a list of games that i think you should really try and they are all from jap developers.

Why give me a nintendo list ranging from older gamecube system? Besides kojima won't be developing any new MGS titles for nintendo. The 3ds just got a remake of snake eater ( my fav though).

You heard of Fumito Ueda right?

You think Nintendo should screw over their brand image and most profitable franchises? I can't help it if you think that.

And, uhh.. N64 != Gamecube != Wii != 3DS.

Kojima begged Sakurai to put Snake in SSB and designed a few stages, so it won't be unfair to say that he is on the Nintendo train.

Your statement "If you wan't to try matured japanese games" clearly implied that i haven't played any mature Japanese games. I was just proving that wrong.

I'll borrow from the realm of Movies to prove that Adult != Mature. The Hangover is pretty adult. Nobody thinks it is mature. Up is not adult at all, yet it is considered pretty mature.

You heard of Masahiro Sakurai right?

Extreme Gamer said:
Well, lookie here, the most famous nintendo franchise should be shut down?? Lolwut? This would be even bigger than Actibizzard shutting down COD, lol.
And then this is the year of Luigi so there is some change for you jk

Mature Jap games also exist on nintendo consoles - MadWorld on Wii, and Contra on DS for example. You basically chose to ignore almost everything dead5 said in a previous thread.

Dude, Madworld is pretty adult, but it is not Mature in anyway. Hyperviolence and extreme sexualization is not mature.

Extreme Gamer said:
Well, lookie here, the most famous nintendo franchise should be shut down?? Lolwut? This would be even bigger than Actibizzard shutting down COD, lol.
And then this is the year of Luigi so there is some change for you jk

Who said anything about shutting down. Try to comprehend properly kiddo. Not making it a poster boy doesn't mean completely scraping the project off.
Anyway, as if Nintendo's gonna listen to what i say.

On the contrary, i didn't ignore what dead5 said in the other thread. Its like his definition of mature and mine are different.
Must give the guy some credit for holding his nerve and posting sensibly with so much sentimental attacks. He at least supported what he likes and there's nothing wrong with that.

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vickybat said:
Who said anything about shutting down. Try to comprehend properly kiddo. Not making it a poster boy doesn't mean completely scraping the project off.
Anyway, as if Nintendo's gonna listen to what i say.

On the contrary, i didn't ignore what dead5 said in the other thread. Its like his definition of mature and mine are different.
Must give the guy some credit for holding his nerve and posting sensibly with so much sentimental attacks. He at least supported what he likes and there's nothing wrong with that.

Mario should seriously retire

Seems to imply scrapping rather than non posterchildization.

Edit: No squiggles? posterchildization is a real word?!

dead5 said:
You think Nintendo should screw over their brand image and most profitable franchises? I can't help it if you think that.

And, uhh.. N64 != Gamecube != Wii != 3DS.

Kojima begged Sakurai to put Snake in SSB and designed a few stages, so it won't be unfair to say that he is on the Nintendo train.

Your statement "If you wan't to try matured japanese games" clearly implied that i haven't played any mature Japanese games. I was just proving that wrong.

I'll borrow from the realm of Movies to prove that Adult != Mature. The Hangover is pretty adult. Nobody thinks it is mature. Up is not adult at all, yet it is considered pretty mature.

You heard of Masahiro Sakurai right?

Just googled the name to find out. Honestly buddy i've no interest in the titles he creates. No offense but personal taste.

About your take on Adult=! Maturity, its not entirely true. Adult is not about sexual theme but is a degree of understanding complex scenarios. Maturity is often defined with complex storytelling having powerful characters in it which children fail to comprehend. Sexuality is only a part of maturity but does not define it wholly. The games you mention does not require a high level of understanding to comprehend and is quite predictable at times.

Play the games i mentioned if you can and you'll understand what i mean.

dead5 said:
Seems to imply scrapping rather than non posterchildization.

Edit: No squiggles? posterchildization is a real word?!

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vickybat said:
Just googled the name to find out. Honestly buddy i've no interest in the titles he creates. No offense but personal taste.

About your take on Adult=! Maturity, its not entirely true. Adult is not about sexual theme but is a degree of understanding complex scenarios. Maturity is often defined with complex storytelling having powerful characters in it which children fail to comprehend. Sexuality is only a part of maturity but does not define it wholly. The games you mention does not require a high level of understanding to comprehend and is quite predictable at times.

Play the games i mentioned if you can and you'll understand what i mean.

If you don't like Sakurai's work, it is your loss. If Harada(you may know him from that ~~little~~ franchise known as Tekken) says that the Smash Bros. is hardcore and convinced him to jump onto the Nintendo train, rest assured, the game is awesome.

Well, I can see where the confusion would come from because there is a large overlap between Adult and Mature. Mature games are largely adult. (BTW, I never said Adult is about sexual theme.) I think Adult means suitable for Mature audiences but the game may or may not be mature in it self(ref: my hangover example).

I can safely say that you have never played any of the four games I listed because Impending death, a slow doom of the world where everybody is ignorant of what is happening, paranoia, loss of a loved one, alliances and betrayal, rise of a new world, dealing with unknown god like powers etc. are certainly adult. If VLR, Baten Kaitos and Majoras Mask do not require a high level of understanding nothing does. To get the deeper story out of these you need a higher level of understanding. Majoras Mask and Xenoblade Chronicles may have a simple overt story, but there is a lot going in the background that make it up.

dead5 said:
If you don't like Sakurai's work, it is your loss. If Harada(you may know him from that ~~little~~ franchise known as Tekken) says that the Smash Bros. is hardcore and convinced him to jump onto the Nintendo train, rest assured, the game is awesome.

Not exactly. If you can ignore fumito ueda's masterpieces, then i can ignore sakurai right? :neutral:

Btw, lets check out how many people here consider the following game to be even considered hardcore:

I really need some input here guys.

some games are hardcore,some are not. can't we just play the games without knowing they are hardcore or not.

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vickybat said:
Not exactly. If you can ignore fumito ueda's masterpieces, then i can ignore sakurai right?

Btw, lets check out how many people here consider the following game to be even considered hardcore:

I really need some input here guys.

If SSBB can be judged by the first 20 minutes of its single player campaign and be called casual I can judge Half-Life(and its multiplayer mod Counter-Strike) by its first 20 minutes and call it casual right? :\

vickybat said:
Who said anything about shutting down. Try to comprehend properly kiddo. Not making it a poster boy doesn't mean completely scraping the project off.
Anyway, as if Nintendo's gonna listen to what i say.

On the contrary, i didn't ignore what dead5 said in the other thread. Its like his definition of mature and mine are different.
Must give the guy some credit for holding his nerve and posting sensibly with so much sentimental attacks. He at least supported what he likes and there's nothing wrong with that.

1. I take offense at being called a kid by you, son.

2. You said retire and did not mention poster child in the post we're talking about, son. Mario should retire is not the same as Mario should retire from posterchild duties, son.

3. Your definition of mature is way off base, son.

vickybat said:
Just googled the name to find out. Honestly buddy i've no interest in the titles he creates. No offense but personal taste.

About your take on Adult=! Maturity, its not entirely true. Adult is not about sexual theme but is a degree of understanding complex scenarios. Maturity is often defined with complex storytelling having powerful characters in it which children fail to comprehend. Sexuality is only a part of maturity but does not define it wholly. The games you mention does not require a high level of understanding to comprehend and is quite predictable at times.

Play the games i mentioned if you can and you'll understand what i mean.

1. Wow, nowhere did he mention adult game=sex.

2. Mature!=Adult. There is no concept of not entirely true here because this applies everywhere. There may be a strong correlation between the two (in the sense that a lot of games released are both adult and mature in nature) but they are not the same. Adult can refer to strong violence with blood and gore, drugs, sexual themes, nudity, profanity, obscene language or any other content that you would not want to show to a 10-14 year old, let alone a kid, while mature refers to the quality of the content, as in how developed the storyline is, how in depth the characters are explored, how well the narrative is, etc. Just because ERSB calls adult-oriented games "mature" does not mean that the story is mature. They mean that the game is intended for an audience that can distinguish between fantasy and reality, i.e. an audience that is mature, and for whom the game won't have any negative bearings in real life. Maturity does include sexuality, but in the sense that the person thinks responsibly about sexual themes. For example pornography is adult but not mature. Or the Hangover. While the first one had some modicum of maturity, the second one is a very, very childish movie created without thinking even once about the quality of the content. If you can't distinguish between mature and adult, you don't deserve to play mature games.

vickybat said:
Not exactly. If you can ignore fumito ueda's masterpieces, then i can ignore sakurai right?

Btw, lets check out how many people here consider the following game to be even considered hardcore:

I really need some input here guys.

1. He didn't ignore Fumito Ueda, he just didn't have anything worth talking about for Ueda. Don't assume anything, genius.

2. Some of the people who first posted indeed considered them hardcore until some others showed up with their misguided notions about hardcore...

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@vickybat I forgot to ask, but did you even watch the Anaky vs Kasper video? And do you seriously think Harada would consider a casual game hardcore?

2 v 1 GDI vs Nod

CommanderShawnzer said:
2 v 1 GDI vs Nod

In English?

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Extreme Gamer said:
In English?

Google indicates that it is a C&CQ: TA match. Which, AFAIK has nothing to do with this thread.

dead5 said:
Google indicates that it is a C&CQ: TA match. Which, AFAIK has nothing to do with this thread.

Oh it has to do with this thread.
specifically 2 guys pwning 1 guy

CommanderShawnzer said:
Oh it has to do with this thread.
specifically 2 guys pwning 1 guy

Okay, I get it now, lol. Wanna make it 3v1?

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CommanderShawnzer said:
Oh it has to do with this thread.
specifically 2 guys pwning 1 guy

Lol, I see. I recommend taking up Extreme Gamers offer.

@Vickybat:

A helpful Infographic:

Forgive my shitty M$ paint skills:
*i.imgur.com/mv7gyDc.png

dead5 said:
Lol, I see. I recommend taking up Extreme Gamers offer.

@Vickybat:

A helpful Infographic:

Forgive my shitty M$ paint skills:
*i.imgur.com/mv7gyDc.png

Believe me buddy, nobody's gonna take up the offer. You can count on that at least.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with your paint skills except the data in it maybe.

Try making a table for organizing data next time on. Its not only easier that way, but is the only conventional way to structure data.

*demonknight9.blogspot.in/2013/02/can-nintendo-recover-from-wii-u.html

*www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631516-wii-u/65595786

I guess people around the world don't like nintendo's version of hardcore.

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vickybat said:
Believe me buddy, nobody's gonna take up the offer. You can count on that at least.
Besides, there's nothing wrong with your paint skills except the data in it maybe.

Try making a table for organizing data next time on. Its not only easier that way, but is the only conventional way to structure data.

Everything Tech: Can Nintendo Recover From The Wii U Disaster?

The Wii U is "a disaster Nintendo won't recover from." - Wii U Message Board for Wii U - GameFAQs

I guess people around the world don't like nintendo's version of hardcore.

If there is anything wrong with the data, can you point out exactly what it is?

And have you considered the possibility that the Wii U isn't the only Nintendo console with hardcore games and that people aren't buying Wii Us because Nintendo has failed to offer a compelling line up to gamers without extremely varied tastes yet and has offered nothing to the biggest portion of the console buying audience, the traditional Uncharted/Killzone/Halo/Gears of War player at all?

BTW, I didn't comment on Ueda because I plan to play Ico/SotC HD Collection once my backlog clears and because he has released nothing at all since Shadow of the Colossus.

And congratulations on managing to ignore all the other replies directed to you in this thread, which I have quoted below for convenience.

dead5 said:
If SSBB can be judged by the first 20 minutes of its single player campaign and be called casual I can judge Half-Life(and its multiplayer mod Counter-Strike) by its first 20 minutes and call it casual right? :\

Extreme Gamer said:
1. I take offense at being called a kid by you, son.

2. You said retire and did not mention poster child in the post we're talking about, son. Mario should retire is not the same as Mario should retire from posterchild duties, son.

3. Your definition of mature is way off base, son.

1. Wow, nowhere did he mention adult game=sex.

2. Mature!=Adult. There is no concept of not entirely true here because this applies everywhere. There may be a strong correlation between the two (in the sense that a lot of games released are both adult and mature in nature) but they are not the same. Adult can refer to strong violence with blood and gore, drugs, sexual themes, nudity, profanity, obscene language or any other content that you would not want to show to a 10-14 year old, let alone a kid, while mature refers to the quality of the content, as in how developed the storyline is, how in depth the characters are explored, how well the narrative is, etc. Just because ERSB calls adult-oriented games "mature" does not mean that the story is mature. They mean that the game is intended for an audience that can distinguish between fantasy and reality, i.e. an audience that is mature, and for whom the game won't have any negative bearings in real life. Maturity does include sexuality, but in the sense that the person thinks responsibly about sexual themes. For example pornography is adult but not mature. Or the Hangover. While the first one had some modicum of maturity, the second one is a very, very childish movie created without thinking even once about the quality of the content. If you can't distinguish between mature and adult, you don't deserve to play mature games.

1. He didn't ignore Fumito Ueda, he just didn't have anything worth talking about for Ueda. Don't assume anything, genius.

2. Some of the people who first posted indeed considered them hardcore until some others showed up with their misguided notions about hardcore...

dead5 said:
@vickybat I forgot to ask, but did you even watch the Anaky vs Kasper video? And do you seriously think Harada would consider a casual game hardcore?

vickybat said:
Believe me buddy, nobody's gonna take up the offer. You can count on that at least.
Besides, there's nothing wrong with your paint skills except the data in it maybe.

Try making a table for organizing data next time on. Its not only easier that way, but is the only conventional way to structure data.

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I guess people around the world don't like nintendo's version of hardcore.

Factual accuracy has nothing to do with paint skills. And if it did, then his paint skills would get 9/10.

Why are you guys opening multiple threads for same reason? Whatever you loke or not is a personal opinion and can't be forced over anyone else. If you like any console or games specific to it, just buy it and play it, no need to force it anyone else.

Please do not open another thread again for the same reason. DO CONSIDER IT AS AN OFFICIAL WARNING