AT&T and Verizon say 10Mbps is too fast for “broadband,” 4Mbps is enough

T&T and Verizon have asked the Federal Communications Commission not to change its definition of broadband from 4Mbps to 10Mbps, saying many Internet users get by just fine at the lower speeds.

"Given the pace at which the industry is investing in advanced capabilities, there is no present need to redefine 'advanced' capabilities," AT&T wrote in a filing made public Friday after the FCC’s comment deadline (see FCC proceeding 14-126). "Consumer behavior strongly reinforces the conclusion that a 10Mbps service exceeds what many Americans need today to enable basic, high-quality transmissions," AT&T wrote later in its filing. Verizon made similar arguments.

Individual cable companies did not submit comments to the FCC, but their representative, the National Cable & Telecommunications Association (NCTA), agrees with AT&T and Verizon.

“The Commission should not change the baseline broadband speed threshold from 4Mbps downstream and 1Mbps upstream because a 4/1 Mbps connection is still sufficient to perform the primary functions identified in section 706 [of the Telecommunications Act]—high-quality voice, video, and data,” the NCTA wrote.

About 47 percent of Comcast subscribers get at least 50Mbps, the company says.

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and here we are stuck with 512 kbps as the minimum :cry:

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SaiyanGoku said:
and here we are stuck with 512 kbps as the minimum

Those Americans and some of the Europeans have one helluva time using their internet day in and day out while we Indians wait for the the page to load while we cry....

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Even I agree that 4-8MBps speed is enough for BROWSING, HD/FHD data streaming and most "legal" downloads.

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HBK007 said:
Those Americans and some of the Europeans have one helluva time using their internet day in and day out while we Indians wait for the the page to load while we cry....

Are you on 256kbps or what? Which website needs that much time? Torrenting in background?

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4 mbps is not enough for watching hd youtube videos.

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kalam_gohab said:
4 mbps is not enough for watching hd youtube videos.

i had no problems running 720p youtube videos on a 2 Mbps connection .. 4 mbps should be able to handle 1080p i guess

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rish said:
i had no problems running 720p youtube videos on a 2 Mbps connection .. 4 mbps should be able to handle 1080p i guess

Let us say that 1080 p runs good but then what about the fup limit? Would a pain to see it deplete just In a matter of days.

kalam_gohab said:
Let us say that 1080 p runs good but then what about the fup limit? Would a pain to see it deplete just In a matter of days.

I think Americans are talking about 4mbps Unlimited.

do other countries have FUP policies ?

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ankush28 said:
Even I agree that 4-8MBps speed is enough for BROWSING, HD/FHD data streaming and most "legal" downloads.

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Are you on 256kbps or what? Which website needs that much time? Torrenting in background?

I guess I will have to have a poster accompanying my post whenever I use the means of exaggeration to compare two different levels which in this case is the difference between the awesome net speeds of USA(avg. 40 mbps) and the pitiable speeds of our country. Trust me when I tell you when you upload things and download big files(legitimate disc image files from Microsoft after buying them online, for e.g.) then you see the difference.

I'm happy with my connection. I get 4MBps download and upload, and no FUP. And some popular torrents at upto 30MBps...

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I am just fine with my 16 MBPS/160 GB connection.To the people who say that high speed broadband isn't available in INDIA I say this, spend more and get higher speed's or GTFO !

In my area(Dwarka, Delhi), Tata Indicom is offering plans upto 100 MBPS/500 GB at a rental of 5k

I'm on a 8mbps/100GB plan by airtel, burns around 2200/month. Overall I'm pretty happy with my connection.

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Well, here in hyderabad, beam offers 15mbps for 1000rs but offers only 50gb as fup limit. It gets depleted only by browsing

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kalam_gohab said:
Well, here in hyderabad, beam offers 15mbps for 1000rs but offers only 50gb as fup limit. It gets depleted only by browsing ��

seriously 50 gb over with Browsing only ???? :chinscratch:

that's not even possible

if you are referring to watching video sites then that is called streaming .. not browsing..

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And still there are some areas near Delhi and in NCR where people are stuck with BSNL......... I think it's max. 8mbps with a pretty low data cap.

Just to be clear [MENTION=261170]AbhMkh[/MENTION] I put MBps as megabytes (to differentiate from Mbps - Megabits). Did you mean 16 Mbps or MBps?

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Raaabo said:
Just to be clear [MENTION=261170]AbhMkh[/MENTION] I put MBps as megabytes (to differentiate from Mbps - Megabits). Did you mean 16 Mbps or MBps?

I meant megabytes.16 MBPS is the connection speed so I actually get 2 MBPS upload/download

Raaabo said:
I'm happy with my connection. I get 4MBps download and upload, and no FUP. And some popular torrents at upto 30MBps...

Digit office?

We indians have shitty govt. to support our uber shitty plans. :-x

4mbps unlimited without FUP should be bare minimum available as the broadband at <₹1k, might be achievable somewhere near the year 2030 at the current progress speed..

AbhMkh said:
I meant megabytes.16 MBPS is the connection speed so I actually get 2 MBPS upload/download

16Mbps(mega bits per sec)= 2 MBps(mega bytes per sec).

ratul said:
Digit office?
We indians have shitty govt. to support our uber shitty plans. 4mbps unlimited without FUP should be bare minimum available as the broadband at <₹1k, might be achievable somewhere near the year 2030 at the current progress speed..

Nope at home. It's supposed to be 16 Mbps up and down, but I get between 3 and 5 MBps downloads, and torrents, well, anything from 1.5 MBps to 30 MBps depending on how many local seeds.

Business plans are more expensive and thus at office we only have 8 Mbps 1:1 x 3 lines from 3 different providers for redundancy. So at any given time we can at max get 900 KBps downloads, sadly.

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kalam_gohab said:
Well, here in hyderabad, beam offers 15mbps for 1000rs but offers only 50gb as fup limit. It gets depleted only by browsing

Tikona offers 2 Mbps 50GB FUP @ 1122 :-D

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rish said:
seriously 50 gb over with Browsing only ????

that's not even possible

if you are referring to watching video sites then that is called streaming .. not browsing..

I frequently watch YouTube videos at 360p and browse.that's it.

[MENTION=138559]rish[/MENTION] come on!

Video streaming is all just part of the "browsing" experience these days.

Next you'll be strict and insist that Windows updates and Chrome, Java, Flash, etc., updates are "downloading", and not part of "regular internet usage" (which is what people mean when they say "browsing").

I don't even care about 4mbps, give me stable, continuous(no upto cr@p) 2mbps download and upload and I'll be more than happy to pay 1k for it, seriously.

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Raaabo said:
[MENTION=138559]rish[/MENTION] come on!

Video streaming is all just part of the "browsing" experience these days.

Next you'll be strict and insist that Windows updates and Chrome, Java, Flash, etc., updates are "downloading", and not part of "regular internet usage" (which is what people mean when they say "browsing").

hmm great point sir..

even i didn't mean to say that watching videos was out of browsing experience, i chose wrong words so apologies for that..

what i was trying to say is that for an average person even watching 1 hour video per day should be more than enough and 50 gb should be plenty of bandwidth for that

but if anyone spends really more time than that on watching videos then i don't think it should be termed as browsing .. it should be kept in the video streaming category

in your example , like windows , app updates are still downloading but most average internet users do that so it is a part of browsing experience but if a person just keeps on downloading stuff 24x7 even if it involves downloading only app updates ( exaggerated hypothetical situation

) then it definitely can't be termed as Browsing experience..

the term "browsing" is very vague and dynamic in nature and should be based on what on average most internet users do and how much they consume ..

just my 2 cents

BSNL launched 4G Wimax in my state .. Big words but the best plan they offer is Rs 7000 for 2 Megabits/s no FUP unlimited..
WHAT THE F**K !

Compare this to Reliance Broadband 4mbps Thunder 1099 plan NO FUP at Rs 1k.. (which unfortunately is not available in my state)
Im not a heavy downloader but I hate having a FUP limit, having to constantly watch over how much I download stuff.. Really need more 4 MBPS no FUP plans at acceptable costs like Reliance broadband in my state

PS: How many of you use that particular Reliance plan ?

I'm yet to see an american with <4mbps plan.

USA probably has the most shittiest net among developed countries....

dashing.sujay said:
I'm yet to see an american with <4mbps plan.

There are quite a few places where they have 2 mbps. Utah is one example if I remember right.

ithehappy said:
There are quite a few places where they have 2 mbps. Utah is one example if I remember right.

Might be, but coming across 9-10 people daily, and yet to see that.

Though they do have plans like we do. Eg - 1mbps 12gb limit for 600/- from AT &T.

Is their any plans without FUP in India ! 4mbps unlimited was enough :-x

Mine. Local cable guy, 16 Mbps, no FUP.

Well I haven't hit one yet. I've downloaded 200 GB in about 3 days when looking for 4k videos for testing monitors and then the usual 100 gb or so per month of regular use. So its certainly 300 GB plus if there is one. Cable wallah doesn't know what FUP is, so he's no help.

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kalam_gohab said:
I frequently watch YouTube videos at 360p and browse.that's it.

Dude i do the same with my BSNL 512 Kbps Plan

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Raaabo said:
Mine. Local cable guy, 16 Mbps, no FUP.

Well I haven't hit one yet. I've downloaded 200 GB in about 3 days when looking for 4k videos for testing monitors and then the usual 100 gb or so per month of regular use. So its certainly 300 GB plus if there is one. Cable wallah doesn't know what FUP is, so he's no help.

How about a fast-track issue focusing on India's Internet Market?
If planning for one,please clarify these :-
Why BSNL just don't push themselves to 2 or 4 MBPS ULD With no FUP?
How this data transcation Buisness is carried out?
How these local internet guys in some areas work?their mechanism?
About the future,are we gonna use the same 512 kbps(The highest in my town :shock:

),or are some tech giants are investing in the development?