bare minimum rig and min $$

Hi all info. which might be helpful to yall :

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')

Ans: Having capability to handle and run games such as Battlefield 3, MW3, arma 2 series etc., Movies (HD), basic internet browsing

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: 20k max.

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: not required.

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: windows 7 x64 ultimate, Linux

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: 250/320/500GB as per budget available; just for installing games/movies

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: Yes. Umm..considering the budget how about a 18" or maybe ~20" LED monitor? (srry but am not aware of the current prices; EX-nehru place, delhi/NCR)

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: need a bare minimum rig; Bugdet is quite low; would like to go with AMD here :-D

how about the AMD's bulldozer series? DO NOT require speakers/UPS/CD-RWs and any such peripheral; just require the cabinet+SMPS+proc+mobo+ram+gfx card+keyboard+mice. Monitor too :-D

am i still missing something here? please suggest.

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: 1-2month's time.

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: can do myself; possible only on weekends (shop+assembling :mrgreen:

)

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Noida; I can go to Nehru place (thx to metro in delhi :mrgreen:

)

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans:been a badass gamer back in college days (miss 'em :cry:

) and thx to my recent job; busy with all the client side cr@p :evil:

never usually found some time out; so here it is; my ultra cheap gaming rig

Dude i have a 35k dell inspiron pc still it cant run battlefield 3
and you want it to run in 20k

Le0nidus...ftw said:
Dude i have a 35k dell inspiron pc still it cant run battlefield 3
and you want it to run in 20k

hey hang on :shock:

U got me wrong bro. :shock:

my dell "laptop" specs: i5 540m @ 2.4gh~2.9ghz(turbo boost), hd5650m 1GB, 3GB 1333mhz DDR3 RAM
and I can play it well on this config.

BUT the real deal here is.. I am here for a desktop config cmon' dekstop component prices are cheaper nowadays + I have local access to nehru plce, delhi

because I thought that if I get to upgrade my RAM on the laptop to a total of 6GB at just 1.2k for 4GB transcend 1333mhz RAM I would be pretty close to blowing up my laptop :mrgreen:

First things first, your budget is way too low play BF3 even at the lowest possible settings I guess. And you need a HDD too at 20k. Here's the best possible config I could figure out.

Component Make Price
CPU AMD A6 3500 4,110
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-A55M-S2V 3536
RAM Corsair DDR3 4 GB 1220
HDD WD Scorpio Blue 250 GB 3890
Case Any cheap 800
PSU Zebronics 400w Platinum 1475
KB+Mouse Amkette ClASSIC DUO 383
Monitor BenQ 18.5 Inch GL930A 5400
TOTAL 20814

Don't confirm yet. Maybe somebody else will come up with a better one.

Le0nidus...ftw said:
Dude i have a 35k dell inspiron pc still it cant run battlefield 3
and you want it to run in 20k

bro U got me wrong!! :shock:

desktop component prices are way too low + I have access to nehru place, delhi so prices could be a bargain :-D

Also, I do have a dell inspiron 14r laptop having an core i5 540m, AMD's ATI 5450m 1GB gfx card, 3GB DDR3 1333mhz locked to 1066mhz (duh' thats dell :evil:

) and I am able to play BF3 at high setings

but only thing that haunts me is that I dont want to blow up my laptop though heat generated is negligible.

UPDATE: srry for double posts. OMG plz moderate my posts a bit fast

I want to communicate...very badly. Also I have putup a request in the Forums suggestion box about dropping the first 10 post rule to just first 5 posts.

Oh btw guys.. i got the hang of this price list here(PDF) :-D

and you'll be amazed!

OR

Also See this : *en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7986&pageid=8149

rajatGod512 said:
Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD A6-3650|6200
Motherboard |ASUS F1A55-M LX PLUS|3800
RAM |G-skill F3-10666CL9S-2GBNK|700
HDD |WDC 250GB Blue WD2500AAKX|3700
PSU |Corsair CX430V2|2200
Case |Generic (Any Local Brand)|800
Monitor |Dell IN1930 (18.5")|5200
Keyboard & Mouse |Amkette ClASSIC DUO|360
| Total |22960

thx bro but I was kinda hoping that if I leave out an HDD for now and put the $$ somewhere else such as gfx card then it would be awesome! Secondly, A6 is at pretty low end

and I would certainly require a discrete gfx card; BF3 requires a heavy setup IMO

RiGOD said:
First things first, your budget is way too low play BF3 even at the lowest possible settings I guess. And you need a HDD too at 20k. Here's the best possible config I could figure out.

Component Make Price
CPU AMD A6 3500 4,110
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-A55M-S2V 3536
RAM Corsair DDR3 4 GB 1220
HDD WD Scorpio Blue 250 GB 3890
Case Any cheap 800
PSU Zebronics 400w Platinum 1475
KB+Mouse Amkette ClASSIC DUO 383
Monitor BenQ 18.5 Inch GL930A 5400
TOTAL 20814

Don't confirm yet. Maybe somebody else will come up with a better one.

rajatGod512 said:
Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD A6-3650|6200
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-A55M-S2V|3540
RAM |G-skill F3-10666CL9S-2GBNK|700
HDD |WDC 250GB Blue WD2500AAKX|3700
PSU |Corsair CX430V2|2200
Case |Generic (Any Local Brand)|800
Monitor |Dell IN1930 (18.5")|5200
Keyboard & Mouse |Amkette ClASSIC DUO|360
| Total |22700

hmm..looks nice but bros I was hoping something similar to this one here

There are 2 configurations and still there is round about of ~6k of saving + leaving out the HDD for now makes it to around ~10k of saving which can be put to good use in getting a gfx card. What say? :-D

Also while googling out I got hold of this price list here as I can go to nehru place, delhi on weekends and get it done easily. but still I need your help because I dont trust shopwallas tips regarding performance tips etc. :twisted:

OR should I really upgrade my existing laptop config to have a total of 6GB DDR3 RAM? (existing: 1GB+2GB; replacement: 2GB+4GB)Will it make my laptop generate more and more heat? Please advice.

if you can, grab the second config. But you can't overclock the processor whereas in case of AMD system, it can be overclocked to 3.5-3.6Ghz easily.

echo9 said:
OR should I really upgrade my existing laptop config to have a total of 6GB DDR3 RAM? (existing: 1GB+2GB; replacement: 2GB+4GB)Will it make my laptop generate more and more heat? Please advice.

won't generate head. won't generate performance.

Sam said:
won't generate performance.

hey but why? BF3 is running absolutely ok on the present config :-D

just sometimes while loading up the missions it takes some time.

My laptop's config is already posted above.

Sam said:
Component | Make | Price RAM |Corsair 4Gb DDR3|1200
GPU |Gigabyte HD6770 1Gb GDDR5|6150
PSU |Corsair CX430V2|2300
Case |Local | 800
Monitor |Dell IN1930 (18.5")|5200
Keyboard & Mouse |Anything you prefer|500

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Athlon II 260|3250
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P |2600
Total | | 22000

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Pentium G620 |3550
Motherboard |ASUS P8H61-M LX |3042
Total | | 22742

if you can, grab the second config. But you can't overclock the processor whereas in case of AMD system, it can be overclocked to 3.5-3.6Ghz easily.

+1 thanks sam :-D

Considering the AMD one for now.
Hey could you also shed some light on the AMD Trinity CPU's/APU's/Project coming in May 2012 ? I heard its gonna blow all decks :shock:

@echo9 check my post I made some changes

rajatGod512 said:
Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD A6-3650|6200
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-A55M-S2V|3540
RAM |G-skill F3-10666CL9S-2GBNK|700
HDD |WDC 250GB Blue WD2500AAKX|3700
PSU |Corsair CX430V2|2200
Case |Generic (Any Local Brand)|800
Monitor |Dell IN1930 (18.5")|5200
Keyboard & Mouse |Amkette ClASSIC DUO|360
| Total |22700

OR

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Pentium G620|3500
Motherboard |GA-H61M-D2-B3|3400
RAM |Corsair DDR3 4 GB(CMV4GX3M1A1333C9)|1200
Graphics Card |Sapphire HD 6770 1GB GDDR5|6500
PSU |Corsair CX430V2|2200
Case |Generic (Any Local Brand)|800
Monitor |Dell IN1930 (18.5")|5200
Keyboard & Mouse |Amkette ClASSIC DUO|360
| Total |23160

Also See this : *en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7986&pageid=8149

umm..bro am not sure if I would really like to go with an Intel based system at this budget *shrugs*. As its quite low and at the same budget I can get a lot better AMD based system. :mrgreen:

And yeah, A6 looks cool but I am wondering at this capped budget who would outperform the AMD Athlon II 260 (as suggested by sam) or the AMD A6 you suggested (now thats without a discrete gfx card here :shock:

).

Cliff hanger situation~

echo9 said:
the AMD A6 you suggested (now thats without a discrete gfx card here ).

A6-3650 has an IGP - Radeon HD 6530D. It should be slightly faster than your laptop's GPU.

Though a discrete gfx card like HD 6770 will be quite faster.

echo9, you can also opt for newly launched Gigabyte HD 7750 1 GB GDDR5, priced 6.2K in SMCINTERNATIONAL. It has power consumption like a HD 6670 and performance wise I guess little ahead or same of HD 6770.

+1 for HD 7750

echo9 said:
hey but why? BF3 is running absolutely ok on the present config just sometimes while loading up the missions it takes some time.

My laptop's config is already posted above.

i said that adding more ram on laptop won't increase performance. 3Gb ram is enough unless you run 64bit Windows and have faster processor & GPU that can offer extra performance.

echo9 said:
Hey could you also shed some light on the AMD Trinity CPU's/APU's/Project coming in May 2012 ? I heard its gonna blow all decks

trinity will be late and who knows what kind of performance gain it delivers over the existing APUs. but what it may be priced high. low higher than what the current A series is priced. also with the config i suggested you can drop in a Phenom II X4 or maybe 2nd gen FX some year later.

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echo9 said:
umm..bro am not sure if I would really like to go with an Intel based system at this budget *shrugs*. As its quite low and at the same budget I can get a lot better AMD based system.

And yeah, A6 looks cool but I am wondering at this capped budget who would outperform the AMD Athlon II 260 (as suggested by sam) or the AMD A6 you suggested (now thats without a discrete gfx card here ).

Cliff hanger situation~

Pentium G620 would clearly outperform Athlon II 260. Combination of G620 & 6770 is far better than AMD A6. AMD A6-3650 would be ideal for casual gamers who don't want invest money on graphics card.

BUT the real deal here is.. I am here for a desktop config cmon' dekstop component prices are cheaper nowadays + I have local access to nehru plce, delhi because I thought that if I get to upgrade my RAM on the laptop to a total of 6GB at just 1.2k for 4GB transcend 1333mhz RAM I would be pretty close to blowing up my laptop

As you say that you have a decent ATI Mobility Card in your laptop. Find out the desktop equivalent of ATI 5450M.

Compare the desktop equivalent of your Laptop card with desktop
HD 6770 or 7750. Find the average increase in performance.

Then try to decide is it worth investing another 20K on desktop to get that much better gaming experience. The thing is if you are already having a laptop playing battlefield 3 decently at low settings, then is it worth getting a budget desktop which may not give huge boost in experience or atleast be a future proof config?

my suggestion: save some more money, wait for your laptop to get a bit older, untill it is struggling or unable to play the latest games you love, you will be frustrated with your laptop :-D

. This will probably take a year. By then save up some 40 to 50K. you will be hungry to play the latest games :mrgreen:

. Intel will release Haswell in 2013, which is Tock as Ivy bridge is tick. Tock is sure to give huge performance boost like Sandy bridge, Nehalem & Core. go for quad core Haswell & 7850/8850, that config will be rocking.

I thought you wanted a new rig

Pentium G620 + h61 board + radeon 7750 is the way to go. G620 is much faster than athlon 260 and is good gaming processor for the price. Grab the above combo eyes closed.

vickybat said:
Pentium G620 + h61 board + radeon 7750 is the way to go. G620 is much faster than athlon 260 and is good gaming processor for the price. Grab the above combo eyes closed.

Pentium G620 + h61 board + radeon 7750 combo will bottleneck the processor 'eyes closed'.

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I read an article in Custom PC magazine about building a rig for 350GBP which is able to play Skyrim at pretty high settings using a Pentium G620, an H61 board and a Radeon HD6850. So, yeah the G620 is a good option.. But you lose out on future upgradability by going the Intel way with your budget

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Pentium G620 + h61 board + radeon 7750 combo will bottleneck the processor 'eyes closed'.

this is incorrect.

Benchmark Results: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim : Battle At $140: Can An APU Beat An Intel CPU And Add-In Graphics?
G620+6670 DDR3 managed avg fps of 64.3 on skyrim with med setting & 1440*900 resolution.7750 will only be bottlenecked for a very few heavily cpu dependent games at ultra/high settings at resolutions lower than full HD(at full HD card is the only significant factor).

G620 is as much future upgradeable as AMD AM3+.

d6bmg said:
Pentium G620 + h61 board + radeon 7750 combo will bottleneck the processor 'eyes closed'.

how ?

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So all of Intel's 6 series chipsets (H61, H67, P67 and Z68) will support IB? If that is the case, then ignore my quip of losing out future upgradability with Intel... I remember reading somewhere that only the Z68 series would support IB with a BIOS update. Ah well

^^No, all sandybrige chipset will support IB.

ajaymailed said:
Pentium G620 would clearly outperform Athlon II 260. Combination of G620 & 6770 is far better than AMD A6. AMD A6-3650 would be ideal for casual gamers who don't want invest money on graphics card.

As you say that you have a decent ATI Mobility Card in your laptop. Find out the desktop equivalent of ATI 5450M.

Compare the desktop equivalent of your Laptop card with desktop
HD 6770 or 7750. Find the average increase in performance.

Then try to decide is it worth investing another 20K on desktop to get that much better gaming experience. The thing is if you are already having a laptop playing battlefield 3 decently at low settings, then is it worth getting a budget desktop which may not give huge boost in experience or atleast be a future proof config?

my suggestion: save some more money, wait for your laptop to get a bit older, untill it is struggling or unable to play the latest games you love, you will be frustrated with your laptop. This will probably take a year. By then save up some 40 to 50K. you will be hungry to play the latest games. Intel will release Haswell in 2013, which is Tock as Ivy bridge is tick. Tock is sure to give huge performance boost like Sandy bridge, Nehalem & Core. go for quad core Haswell & 7850/8850, that config will be rocking.

Well I am able to play Battlefield 3 at High/Medium settings, AA is set at 2x/4x (dnt remember), V sync is off (damn V sync :/) and pretty much everything else is set to medium

So, no probs with BF3 so far though the issue I mentioned that it hangs a bit while loading up a level (bought BF3 just for multiplayer :mrgreen:

; had already completed the SP thx to piratebay :-D

)
IDK maybe this hanging issue is related to "origin client", EA's duplicate for steam (and sure it sucks azz :mrgreen:

hellava bugs :cry:

).

And yes I do use a x64 OS (Win7 x64 Ultimate Edition Legit

)
But all I worry for now is 6GB of DDR3 RAM will generate a lot of heat

+ Inspiron's physical design is not that great in terms of ventilation etc. its just "ohk" *shrugs*

ico said:
A6-3650 has an IGP - Radeon HD 6530D. It should be slightly faster than your laptop's GPU.

Though a discrete gfx card like HD 6770 will be quite faster.

yea..my bad. I just sat for like 2-3 hrs googling around. Saw dsome demo vids too at youtube. Trust me I am inclined towards the A series for now (A-team from AMD FTW!! :-D

)

Also, what about "Hybrid Crossfire X" on a A-8 series proccy??

it might pack a more solid punch than a Phenom X4 with the same gfx card (as in an A8 in Hybrid Crossfire X mode hmm?)

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this is a fact that (any intel processor+graphics card)>>(any amd processor+same graphics card).hybrid crossfire-x for A series is limited upto 6670 only which is weak compared to 6770 so in the end hybrid crossfire will still be slower than 6770.intel config is best in terms of gaming but if you still want to get llano go ahead as it is your choice after all as forums are only here to give you facts.

whitestar_999 said:
this is a fact that (any intel processor+graphics card)>>(any amd processor+same graphics card).hybrid crossfire-x for A series is limited upto 6670 only which is weak compared to 6770 so in the end hybrid crossfire will still be slower than 6770.intel config is best in terms of gaming but if you still want to get llano go ahead as it is your choice after all as forums are only here to give you facts.

reason I am inclining on AMD for now is:

1. they can be upgraded pretty neatly.
2. considering A-8 or other A series AMDs their IGP is actually solid enough even if I am not able to add in a gfx card now.
3. they're way too cheap (in comparison to Intel's equivalent)
4. AMDs are OC friendly :-D

And its the opposite which applies for Intel (boooooooo :twisted:

)

Still, after checking out AMD's Trinity APU I am overwhelmed by the sheer power it will give us.

put simply a f***n blitzkrieg in the APU market :-D

Hail AMD! *www.bobmarleymagazine.com/forum_bmwm/images/smilies/hail.gif

whitestar_999 said:
this is a fact that (any intel processor+graphics card)>>(any amd processor+same graphics card).hybrid crossfire-x for A series is limited upto 6670 only which is weak compared to 6770 so in the end hybrid crossfire will still be slower than 6770.intel config is best in terms of gaming but if you still want to get llano go ahead as it is your choice after all as forums are only here to give you facts.

Well said and put up mate. Absolutely correct.

+1

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echo9 said:
reason I am inclining on AMD for now is:

1. they can be upgraded pretty neatly.
2. considering A-8 or other A series AMDs their IGP is actually solid enough even if I am not able to add in a gfx card now.
3. they're way too cheap (in comparison to Intel's equivalent)
4. AMDs are OC friendly

And its the opposite which applies for Intel (boooooooo )

Still, after checking out AMD's Trinity APU I am overwhelmed by the sheer power it will give us. put simply a f***n blitzkrieg in the APU market

Hail AMD! *www.bobmarleymagazine.com/forum_bmwm/images/smilies/hail.gif

either you hate Intel or like AMD. SandyBridge is undisputed leader in CPU market, gaming or otherwise. This is undeniable truth. It has been like this since Intel released Conroe. AMD is just unable to match the performance of Intel processors, and that is exactly the reason AMD had to reduce to prices of their processors, to survive in the market.

Even the best AMD processor is struggling a bit to match the CPU performance Core i5 Sandy Bridge. AMD-A6 is outperformed by even Core i3s in CPU performance.

AMD APUs are good for casual gamers. not for getting full experience of Battlefield 3. You will definitely need a decent discrete card to get the best performance of resource hungry games like BF3, NFS Run etc

after investing 20K for desktop, you will hate to play latest games at reduced settings. you would also want config to stay future proof for atleast few years.

at the end of the day what matters for gaming is what is the discrete card you have got.

ajaymailed said:
either you hate Intel or like AMD. SandyBridge is undisputed leader in CPU market, gaming or otherwise. This is undeniable truth. It has been like this since Intel released Conroe. AMD is just unable to match the performance of Intel processors, and that is exactly the reason AMD had to reduce to prices of their processors, to survive in the market.

Even the best AMD processor is struggling a bit to match the CPU performance Core i5 Sandy Bridge. AMD-A6 is outperformed by even Core i3s in CPU performance.

AMD APUs are good for casual gamers. not for getting full experience of Battlefield 3. You will definitely need a decent discrete card to get the best performance of resource hungry games like BF3, NFS Run etc

after investing 20K for desktop, you will hate to play latest games at reduced settings. you would also want config to stay future proof for atleast few years.

at the end of the day what matters for gaming is what is the discrete card you have got.

HAIL ajaymailed *www.bobmarleymagazine.com/forum_bmwm/images/smilies/hail.gif

btw, was wondering how will an A6/A8 perform with a discrete gfx card (no hybrid/crossfixeX support) vs the Pentium g620 (with equivalent clock speed+cache) with the same discrete gfx card (if thats what you all are recommending :-D

)

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I think OP should consider taking the suggesions and welcoming any kinda insight into the differences and the best possible combo that the forum is suggesting.

I wont say that reasoning on the suggesions or trying to inquisit more on the suggestions is bad. But coming to conclusions (that are wrong) and being adamant in thoughts will not help the OP to get any good help from any forum.

This is not intended to attack or support anyone in person but is to try and help the OP to understand and plead the OP to open up and collect more facts than denying as per ones knowledge (which might be limited)

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my earlier post:

whitestar_999 said:
this is a fact that (any intel processor+graphics card)>>(any amd processor+same graphics card).hybrid crossfire-x for A series is limited upto 6670 only which is weak compared to 6770 so in the end hybrid crossfire will still be slower than 6770.intel config is best in terms of gaming but if you still want to get llano go ahead as it is your choice after all as forums are only here to give you facts.

whitestar_999 said:
my earlier post:

Well U gotta check this then.

AMD A8-3850 APU Gaming Performance Comparison by Linus Tech Tips. This is pushing me to stick to A-series.

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i do not trust youtube,i only trust facts/logic.core by core intel is faster than amd because of superior architecture.there are very few games which can utilize more than 2 cores effectively & even then there are factors of graphics card,settings & resolution.considering all these & taking into account you are not getting a very high end graphics card a G620 is better option unless you need 4 cores because of other usages & willing to sacrifice a bit of gaming performance.even then a 4 core phenom would be a better option because it has newer architecture(llano is simply old athlon architecture shrinked & combined with a graphics core) & better overclocking potential.there is no point in getting a llano if one is getting a card like 6670 or higher.

whitestar_999 said:
i do not trust youtube,i only trust facts/logic.core by core intel is faster than amd because of superior architecture.there are very few games which can utilize more than 2 cores effectively & even then there are factors of graphics card,settings & resolution.considering all these & taking into account you are not getting a very high end graphics card a G620 is better option unless you need 4 cores because of other usages & willing to sacrifice a bit of gaming performance.even then a 4 core phenom would be a better option because it has newer architecture(llano is simply old athlon architecture shrinked & combined with a graphics core) & better overclocking potential.there is no point in getting a llano if one is getting a card like 6670 or higher.

+1

btw the video is actually quite accurate. resolution etc settings of a game has been shown. + talking about future proof than an Intel you will find that there is an increase in number of games utilizing multi-core features. And this increase will only increase in the coming years.

Also, I haven't really studied the arch. of an A series proc so can't really comment on that

Sticking to Phenom + a good med range gfx card (I suppose the 6670/6770?) - (minus) the HDD is my choice for the buyout :-D

Plus, I'll hang out a bit at Nehru place, collect some quotations and will revert back to ya guys :-D

You guys rock!

Thanks for helping me out and clearing up the fog :mrgreen:

Regards,
echo9

UPDATE: Guys, If i go all by myself to assemble my PC on my own then what things should I take care of? Like are all the necessary cables (hard disk connector cable, ) come inside the Mobo box? what about the screws, nuts and bolts (if any) ?? or will I have to purchase it separately? The PSU cables etc?

Please suggest a check list (it'll be of help to other users too)

FYI, I do have my own screw driver kit

[PS: and yes..I am of a lively mood thats why you fellas can see a: :-D

in nearly all of my posts

Sorry for bugging many of you

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Look buddy its pretty simple and clear. First and foremost, your budget is tight & secondly your primary purpose is to game (the questionnaire template tells us that).

Now at 20k budget, even a llano based system that's decent enough is going to be hard to fit and that too with a discrete gpu. Now as whitestar_999 mentioned, llano's are 32nm athlon 2 x4's with a fused gpu (APU) and the thing that separates it from deneb (phenom 2) is its lack of an l3 cache. It has been seen that lack of an l3 cache does not effect gaming that much (tomshardware had done an analysis sometime back).

Our forum member jaskanwar singh is using an athlon 2 x4 with a 6950 and is getting terrific framerates. So gpu matters more in gaming.

Now at your budget you can't really ask for preferences like a quadcore cpu because adding that will cut off a good discrete card out of your list and will adversely affect your overall gaming experience.

My suggestion is you skip llano (because with the advent of 7 series gpu's, adding them will render the internal gpu useless) and build a base system which can be upgraded in future.

So i still suggest you strongly to consider g620+ h61 board and with it a 6770 or 7750 discrete gpu. Use it for a year and then slowly save and add an ivybridge quadcore cpu as per your needs.

Right now within 20k, all you need to do is to build a system that satisfies your needs and plays all your titles flawlessly. Have a look at the following config and make your decision accordingly:

If you dont have a hdd, then consider the following :

Hdd |WD Caviar Blue 500 GB |4329

I know i exceeded your budget a bit but you can cut down prices by opting for a cheaper monitor. But the one i suggested is 21.5 inch fullhd led and is future proof. You can go for a 20 incher for around 5k and cut cost.

Now you make the decision.

Well the thing which Linus didnt show in the video was pairing up that HD 6670 with core i3 2105 , which would have made the results in favour of core i3 regarding the CPU power , no doubt AMD has better onboard graphics but it is always advisable to use a graphics card for gaming .

OFF TOPIC : I love his cat!

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good post @vickybat.i am not a gamer so not familiar with game titles & related cpu performance.as a general user i recommended phenom over llano but your post is much more persuasive regarding G620 advantage here.i guess it takes a gamer to make another gamer realize what's best.

@echo9
You can probably watch some videos on youtube about Assembling a pc . And yeah all the cables do come with their respective products like the Sata cables and PSU cables are on the PSU thay can't be taken out of it (unless it is a modular one) , the nuts , bolts all come with products in which they are required .

vickybat said:
Look buddy its pretty simple and clear. First and foremost, your budget is tight & secondly your primary purpose is to game (the questionnaire template tells us that).

Now at 20k budget, even a llano based system that's decent enough is going to be hard to fit and that too with a discrete gpu. Now as whitestar_999 mentioned, llano's are 32nm athlon 2 x4's with a fused gpu (APU) and the thing that separates it from deneb (phenom 2) is its lack of an l3 cache. It has been seen that lack of an l3 cache does not effect gaming that much (tomshardware had done an analysis sometime back).

Our forum member jaskanwar singh is using an athlon 2 x4 with a 6950 and is getting terrific framerates. So gpu matters more in gaming.

Now at your budget you can't really ask for preferences like a quadcore cpu because adding that will cut off a good discrete card out of your list and will adversely affect your overall gaming experience.

My suggestion is you skip llano (because with the advent of 7 series gpu's, adding them will render the internal gpu useless) and build a base system which can be upgraded in future.

So i still suggest you strongly to consider g620+ h61 board and with it a 6770 or 7750 discrete gpu. Use it for a year and then slowly save and add an ivybridge quadcore cpu as per your needs.

Right now within 20k, all you need to do is to build a system that satisfies your needs and plays all your titles flawlessly. Have a look at the following config and make your decision accordingly:

Component | Make | Price Processor | Intel Pentium G620 Processor, 2.6 GHz | 3450
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2H | 3445
Ram |G.Skill RipjawsX DDR3 4 GB | 1665
Monitor |BenQ G2222HDL 21.5 inch LCD Monitor |6950
Graphics Card | Gigabyte Radeon HD 7750 | 6500
Cabinet | Cm elite 311 | 1500
PSU | Corsair CX430-V2 | 2300
Total | | 25810

If you dont have a hdd, then consider the following :

Hdd |WD Caviar Blue 500 GB |4329

I know i exceeded your budget a bit but you can cut down prices by opting for a cheaper monitor. But the one i suggested is 21.5 inch fullhd led and is future proof. You can go for a 20 incher for around 5k and cut cost.

Now you make the decision.

o/

Your post above.... is GAWD like :-D

+1 for clearing it up. (though still just the name "Intel's Pentium" Proc give me an uneasy feeling :mrgreen:

(no proper proc's name just the "Pentium" gives the impression of buying a Pentium I/II or III.. :-D

that sucks

))

N yeah u def. overshot my budget but hey I can manage it ..tweak a bit here and there + nehru place is a pretty open market :-D

time to bang some shopwallas :twisted:

btw going in for a 21" was* not I was thinking per se. But I'll look forward to it; as of now going with 18" HD LED.

rajatGod512 said:
OFF TOPIC : I love his cat!

the cat..?

Cat saying (when linus throws the toy): "f**k you Linus!"....and when were you supposed to do a review of me for youtube? or maybe an unboxing :mrgreen:

AND ofcourse as you may read the template (in the first post) I will be most probably getting the components in ~1-2 months so no hurry at all

Skipping Ilano for sure; now I know its better to invest in a mainstream CPU (instead of an APU) which will support high/med end gfx cards