** Best Android-15k ?**

Hey people

First just wanna say, really like this forum because of the knowledge people have and sound advice.
So here i am, looking for some Sound Advice.
I love android, seems like a great platform with equal balls as compared to iOS Iphone
My Question:
I have 15k, want a good android mobile device,
Needs:
Good screen, Good Battery life, Apps, Apps and more Apps,
GPS in Car (3d building, routing etc)
Efficient use, well built, FAST
Office, PDF etc

Dont care (Features)
Camera
Music player

Choices: LG optimus one, Ace

I would really appreciate your reply, Thanks

No Android phone has very good battery life.

Go with any of your choices (O1 or Ace), you won't be disappointed.

pauldmps said:
No Android phone has very good battery life.

Go with any of your choices (O1 or Ace), you won't be disappointed.

Thanks mate, how long wud it last? think i would be using 3G and any comments on GPS ??
Is there any free app for 3d viewing n routing for Delhi or India?

^^^
If you enable 3G, any phone would discharge quickly. You would get 6 hours at the most.

But with moderate use and power management, switching off 3G and Wifi when not in use... you can easily get 1.5 days or more of usage from a single charge.

For 15k, Galaxy Ace (video) is excellent.

LG Optimus One is not bad either... Full paisa vasool phone... but slightly smaller and slower than Ace...

Amalek said:
^^^
If you enable 3G, any phone would discharge quickly. You would get 6 hours at the most.

But with moderate use and power management, switching off 3G and Wifi when not in use... you can easily get 1.5 days or more of usage from a single charge.

For 15k, Galaxy Ace (video) is excellent.

LG Optimus One is not bad either... Full paisa vasool phone... but slightly smaller and slower than Ace...

Thanks Amalek,
1.5 with moderate usage sounds good..
1question
I heard that ace is nice bt reviews are not that great (Source CNET) and processor is better than O1 but ram is low. so doesnt really make sense
Correct me if im wrong ?

N

^^^ The amount of RAM is just fine.
A powerful CPU is always better than more RAM.

@Amalek
Are you sure that Ace would last 1.5 days with moderate usage?

K

Ace definately is a better fone than O1 .... but not by a lot ...

Ace over O1 - slightly bigger screen (3.5in over 3.2in), faster processor ( 800mhz over 600mhz), better camera (5mp vs 3mp... but to be honest, both cameras suck real bad... horrible video recording and very average snaps)

O1 over ace - bigger battery (1500mAh over 1350), price (12k vs 15k)

Note that both use the same chipset MSM7227 ... and u can push the O1 up to 729mhz without any issues .. it needs to be seen if the MSM7227 on the Ace can can clocked beyond 800mhz ...

So in my opinion, the only differentiating factors are the screen (in favour of Ace) vs the price (in favour of O1) ....

^^ Proc on both the cells are the same. Ace has an overclocked version of the proc on O1. Both are great phones and perform similar to each other. Ace has larger screen and better looks thats all. Overclocking would mean lesser battery than that of O1.
And i also doubt Ace would last 1.5 days with moderate usage.. But u gotta define ur moderate usage first before anyone can say anything.

ace!ace!ace! go for it
but if you can raise your cap to 19.5k have a look at samsung Galaxy S LCD (GT-I9003).this phone has superb specs.this phone is basically galaxy s-amoled screen,and galaxy s costs 28k so this makes gt-19003 the best bargain.....preorder at flipkart

k4ce said:
Ace definately is a better fone than O1 .... but not by a lot ...

Ace over O1 - slightly bigger screen (3.5in over 3.2in), faster processor ( 800mhz over 600mhz), better camera (5mp vs 3mp... but to be honest, both cameras suck real bad... horrible video recording and very average snaps)

O1 over ace - bigger battery (1500mAh over 1350), price (12k vs 15k)

Note that both use the same chipset MSM7227 ... and u can push the O1 up to 729mhz without any issues .. it needs to be seen if the MSM7227 on the Ace can can clocked beyond 800mhz ...

So in my opinion, the only differentiating factors are the screen (in favour of Ace) vs the price (in favour of O1) ....

Ya seems so man, think its almost similar n O1 i can save some money

Soumik said:
^^ Proc on both the cells are the same. Ace has an overclocked version of the proc on O1. Both are great phones and perform similar to each other. Ace has larger screen and better looks thats all. Overclocking would mean lesser battery than that of O1.
And i also doubt Ace would last 1.5 days with moderate usage.. But u gotta define ur moderate usage first before anyone can say anything.

For sure man, Moderate for me would be abit surfing,gps, office, maybe some music

reddead said:
ace!ace!ace! go for it
but if you can raise your cap to 19.5k have a look at samsung Galaxy S LCD (GT-I9003).this phone has superb specs.this phone is basically galaxy s-amoled screen,and galaxy s costs 28k so this makes gt-19003 the best bargain.....preorder at flipkart

Ace is nice man, reviews are not really supporting though, bt how good is Galaxy S ? does it have better battery or somethin
Bt Million Dollar question: Which phone would get confirmed Android 2.3 ?
Heard O1 will for shure get it !!

varoon said:
Ace is nice man, reviews are not really supporting though, bt how good is Galaxy S ? does it have better battery or somethin
Bt Million Dollar question: Which phone would get confirmed Android 2.3 ?
Heard O1 will for shure get it !!

Standard battery, Li-Ion 1650 mAh
Stand-by Up to 610 h (2G) / Up to 550 h (3G)
Talk time Up to 15 h (2G) / Up to 7 h 30 min (3G)

Not sure this model is gonna get 2.3
but if galaxy s gets 2.3,so will sl

V

Galaxy sl has bigger battery and for 19k it a total vfm purchase right now. For update part, galaxy s is going to get gingerbread, couldn't comment on galaxy sl right now. For o1, lg said that it will receive at least 1 update bt don't know when we will get it

NainO said:
^^^ The amount of RAM is just fine.
A powerful CPU is always better than more RAM.

@Amalek
Are you sure that Ace would last 1.5 days with moderate usage?

I am not sure about Ace battery life. An iPhone 3Gs lasts 1.5 days with moderate use. Ace is a copy of that phone...

But it would be better to wait a while for review to come in before getting any phone.

varoon said:
Bt Million Dollar question: Which phone would get confirmed Android 2.3 ?
Heard O1 will for shure get it !!

most will. if not from their manufacturer, from XDA. also the roms that manufacturers released can be tweaked further to get more performance (& battery life) out of it. also most stock rom or updated rom ships with bloatwares, better rely on (well tested) custom roms only.

reddead said:
Standard battery, Li-Ion 1650 mAh
Stand-by Up to 610 h (2G) / Up to 550 h (3G)
Talk time Up to 15 h (2G) / Up to 7 h 30 min (3G)

more talk time doesn't means better battery life. cause if you use the mobile, the screen will be on & will take a toll on battery. bigger screen + faster net = faster the battery drains.

^^ yeah... u would probably have to charge Galaxy SL every night. With bloatware and huge amoled screen, Galaxy S users complans abt battery life. Now same size SLCD will take up even more battery. Though, its a less powerful chipset, its still running 1 GHz and Android. Dont expect more than a day from it.

Galaxy S is getting the Gingerbread upgrade very soon. SL, being right after the prior in terms of samsung flagships(untill Galaxy S II hits makets)... should get Gingerbread at some point. If they dont, u can always try to find a good rom for it on XDA forums.(Hopefully they wont leave out this phone :))

Sam.Shab said:
most will. if not from their manufacturer, from XDA. also the roms that manufacturers released can be tweaked further to get more performance (& battery life) out of it. also most stock rom or updated rom ships with bloatwares, better rely on (well tested) custom roms only.

more talk time doesn't means better battery life. cause if you use the mobile, the screen will be on & will take a toll on battery. bigger screen + faster net = faster the battery drains.

Nice to know man, thanks. But is it easy to custom mod it? Im sure there is a risk of Brick-in ur phone right?

Soumik said:
^^ yeah... u would probably have to charge Galaxy SL every night. With bloatware and huge amoled screen, Galaxy S users complans abt battery life. Now same size SLCD will take up even more battery. Though, its a less powerful chipset, its still running 1 GHz and Android. Dont expect more than a day from it.
Galaxy S is getting the Gingerbread upgrade very soon. SL, being right after the prior in terms of samsung flagships(untill Galaxy S II hits makets)... should get Gingerbread at some point. If they dont, u can always try to find a good rom for it on XDA forums.(Hopefully they wont leave out this phone

True true bigger screen= more battery drainage
But honestly im still thinking of buyin O1
I mean its VFM full on. and will get ginger bread+ If i spend 20k i would think so many times before custom modding it.
with 11.5k i can be a bit free mind.
Jus my thoughts bt fully agreed all of u who have commented.
Thanks

Get the galaxy ace!

LG has confirmed Gingerbread update for the O1 but don't be surprised if they back-out later. For Ace, it is highly doubtful.

^ samsung people never update their phones....they updated galaxy s so late
and galaxy 3 is still running 2.1......ace's update doubtful

seriously guys !! Samsung is doubtful bt think even LG cant guarantee anythin..
bt can u tell me how n why is ace better than O1.
Big screen,Big processor- anythin else besides it?
battery is smaller than O1

Unless you're buying a <25k Android phone, don't bother about getting an update.

The main difference between O1 & Ace is camera specs: 3.2mp vs 5mp(with flash)

Thanks Pauldmps

Camera i really dnt care wat they offer.. Think O1 it is then

any HTC models worth looking??

N

^^^ Currently none…
But maybe after 2-3 months we can expect Wildfire S.

Amalek said:
I am not sure about Ace battery life. An iPhone 3Gs lasts 1.5 days with moderate use. Ace is a copy of that phone...

iPhone is more power efficient than any other android phone eg. HTC Desire lasts less than one day with moderate use.

varoon said:
Nice to know man, thanks. But is it easy to custom mod it? Im sure there is a risk of Brick-in ur phone right?

who cares. let others do it. let others test it & when they say everything is fine & fully stable, download it & use it in your mobile

yes chances of getting brick is always there even if you do everything correctly. after all updates from the manufacturers themselves have bricked mobiles many times, so using a custom rom the risk is always there but thankfully, most manufacturers acknowledge their warranty without going in depth to see if the mobile is modded. also dead mobiles don't speak :mrgreen:

so until their technician digs up logs or memory dumps & analyses it (really time consuming), they prefer to simply repair it.

varoon said:
True true bigger screen= more battery drainage

the one who should care about it, doesn't listen & instead went the other way of using some low grade 1200-1350mah battery with their Ace & Fit & Pop. as a result, before the users can really explore their mobile, they start looking for a plug point or calculating how much time left to reach home & how long the mobile will last.

varoon said:
But honestly im still thinking of buyin O1
I mean its VFM full on. and will get ginger bread+

Gingerbread "may" come. its not a guarantee but XDA already have 2-3 working gingerbread for O1 (Alpha but as users told, works fine). i don't trust any of the manufacturers, not even HTC. also if you want Optimus One just cause it offers 2days+ battery life, you may do some R&D on Ace's battery life with custom roms. if battery can't be extended beyond 30hrs, with moderate use, skip it. with time the condition will simply deteriorate.

varoon said:
If i spend 20k i would think so many times before custom modding it.
with 11.5k i can be a bit free mind.
Jus my thoughts bt fully agreed all of u who have commented.
Thanks

hmmmmmmm, 11.5k is a small amount?

i'll have these 3 simple rules:
1. chance of getting mobile bricked is less.
2. can be unbricked somehow. at home only using softwares.
3. if it can't be unbricked by us or if the mobile is completely dead, customer care should offer good support.

any of these rules are not broken by the mobile, don't try to root it or play with it, whatever be its cost. these rules are made by me & for my own use. so mayn't suite you well. still sharing with everyone here :smile:

pauldmps said:
LG has confirmed Gingerbread update for the O1 but don't be surprised if they back-out later. For Ace, it is highly doubtful.

reddead said:
^ samsung people never update their phones....they updated galaxy s so late
and galaxy 3 is still running 2.1......ace's update doubtful

i'll prefer a modded & performance-battery optimized Froyo rom over a manufacturer released Ginga anyday. i really hate bloatwares & a modded roms perform much better than the updates (skin & themes removed).

varoon said:
seriously guys !! Samsung is doubtful bt think even LG cant guarantee anythin..

true.

varoon said:
bt can u tell me how n why is ace better than O1.

in stock state, Ace is lot better than O1. but once modded (& overclocked), O1 can take on Ace head on, provided you exclude the camera tests. even in photography, Ace isn't an Ace. its just a mediocre mobile camera. cause for 15k is high but it too got its limit.

NainO said:
iPhone is more power efficient than any other android phone eg. HTC Desire lasts less than one day with moderate use.

iphone have an integrated battery isn't? & for that price, if you offer a substandard item, peoples will laugh at it (& then accept it). even if its Apple.

off the android topic.. whats the price of an iphone 2g or 3g?
and a different(might be sily) suggestion... among ur needs, u didnt mention abt calling anyone... so just get an ipod touch 3g 16GB..

very good battery.. very fast.. big screen... decent gpu... and even more apps than android...

and u can get some cheap phone if u need a new phone any ways...

(dont scold me.. just a suggestion

)
Androids can never give u good battery. Thats a fact!

Sam.Shab said:
who cares. let others do it. let others test it & when they say everything is fine & fully stable, download it & use it in your mobile

yes chances of getting brick is always there even if you do everything correctly. after all updates from the manufacturers themselves have bricked mobiles many times, so using a custom rom the risk is always there but thankfully, most manufacturers acknowledge their warranty without going in depth to see if the mobile is modded. also dead mobiles don't speak so until their technician digs up logs or memory dumps & analyses it (really time consuming), they prefer to simply repair it.

the one who should care about it, doesn't listen & instead went the other way of using some low grade 1200-1350mah battery with their Ace & Fit & Pop. as a result, before the users can really explore their mobile, they start looking for a plug point or calculating how much time left to reach home & how long the mobile will last.

Gingerbread "may" come. its not a guarantee but XDA already have 2-3 working gingerbread for O1 (Alpha but as users told, works fine). i don't trust any of the manufacturers, not even HTC. also if you want Optimus One just cause it offers 2days+ battery life, you may do some R&D on Ace's battery life with custom roms. if battery can't be extended beyond 30hrs, with moderate use, skip it. with time the condition will simply deteriorate.

hmmmmmmm, 11.5k is a small amount?

i'll have these 3 simple rules:
1. chance of getting mobile bricked is less.
2. can be unbricked somehow. at home only using softwares.
3. if it can't be unbricked by us or if the mobile is completely dead, customer care should offer good support.

any of these rules are not broken by the mobile, don't try to root it or play with it, whatever be its cost. these rules are made by me & for my own use. so mayn't suite you well. still sharing with everyone here

i'll prefer a modded & performance-battery optimized Froyo rom over a manufacturer released Ginga anyday. i really hate bloatwares & a modded roms perform much better than the updates (skin & themes removed).

true.

in stock state, Ace is lot better than O1. but once modded (& overclocked), O1 can take on Ace head on, provided you exclude the camera tests. even in photography, Ace isn't an Ace. its just a mediocre mobile camera. cause for 15k is high but it too got its limit.

iphone have an integrated battery isn't? & for that price, if you offer a substandard item, peoples will laugh at it (& then accept it). even if its Apple.

Great tips man, if it was facebook i would have liked your comment

last question if you had 15 k which one wud u buy finally? 01 or ace

Soumik said:
off the android topic.. whats the price of an iphone 2g or 3g?
and a different(might be sily) suggestion... among ur needs, u didnt mention abt calling anyone... so just get an ipod touch 3g 16GB.. very good battery.. very fast.. big screen... decent gpu... and even more apps than android... and u can get some cheap phone if u need a new phone any ways... (dont scold me.. just a suggestion )
Androids can never give u good battery. Thats a fact!

Nice suggestion man.. bt i jus checked iphone 3g 8 gb is like 25k. at comapreindia. But tell me if i spend 25k wudnt i buy like any other better phone?
Bt u really see it, then dnt even need my ipod. Interesting

varoon said:
Great tips man, if it was facebook i would have liked your comment
last question if you had 15 k which one wud u buy finally? 01 or ace

i'll go for Optimus One over Ace anyday. still no dedicated thread in XDA. low battery life. but i really want a 3.5" screen. though 3.2" shouldn't be too small for me. also i don't need camera that much.

^^ Ace was launched just yesterday in the UK & hasn't been launched in the US until now. That explains the missing section in the XDA forums.

I think they launched the phone in India early. When the handset begin shipping here, GSMArena & Phonearena were busy writing previews there.

1 sentence answer-

LG Optimus One P500

thetechfreak said:
1 sentence answer-

LG Optimus One P500

Perfect think i got the answer i was looking for

Sam.Shab said:
i'll go for Optimus One over Ace anyday. still no dedicated thread in XDA. low battery life. but i really want a 3.5" screen. though 3.2" shouldn't be too small for me. also i don't need camera that much.

Perfect again

pauldmps said:
^^ Ace was launched just yesterday in the UK & hasn't been launched in the US until now. That explains the missing section in the XDA forums.

I think they launched the phone in India early. When the handset begin shipping here, GSMArena & Phonearena were busy writing previews there.

Ace is young n low on battery..
ok think im pushin it now bt LAST thing i`ll ask. If i spend 20k or even 23k
Any handset worth that much money in market today ? meetin requirements ofcourse

Let me clear a few things here regarding Android & battery life

This post is a bit off-topic, bear with me

It is true that no matter whatever Android mobile you use, given that it is in stock ROM, with normal usage, it wouldn't last more than a day, from morning till night, roughly 12hrs to be precise.

Then what about people who claim their Android Mobile lasts 2days-3days blah blah blah?
Well.... Provided that you switch off background data,GPS and other lesser used Radios and provided you are ready to sacrifice some bling bling widgets and live papers for the sake of extra juice, yes in these cases, it might even last 2-3 days. This applies to both 12k Android Phones and 30K Android Phones.

To put things into perspective, My Nokia 6600 on BL5C 1020mAh battery lasts a whole week whereas the 1400mAh battery on HTC Desire hardly lasts 20hrs on Desire Z ROM.

Now coming to Samsung support, Don't ever ever rely on Samsung Updates and buy a phone, Ask any Spica user about Samsung-Android Support. They simply release models one after the other and in most cases they aren't bothered with releasing patches and updates.

sriharsha_madineni said:
Then what about people who claim their Android Mobile lasts 2days-3days blah blah blah?
Well.... Provided that you switch off background data,GPS and other lesser used Radios and provided you are ready to sacrifice some bling bling widgets and live papers for the sake of extra juice, yes in these cases, it might even last 2-3 days.

even Symbian or Bada will have problem offering 2days battery life if user turns on GPS or 3G or GPRS on the whole time.

live wallpaper should be disabled, until you are going to showoff your new Android.

sriharsha_madineni said:
This applies to both 12k Android Phones and 30K Android Phones.

not always & not for every Android mobile. some (like Optimus One) lasts more than a day under moderate use & on the other hand some (Desire, Ace i.e. big screen small battery) hardly last a day.

sriharsha_madineni said:
To put things into perspective, My Nokia 6600 on BL5C 1020mAh battery lasts a whole week whereas the 1400mAh battery on HTC Desire hardly lasts 20hrs on Desire Z ROM.

err, massive difference between H/W of both. but 1 week is impossible for any Android. even under standby.

ok ok.
Thanks guys bt think we all got the point !!
Im buyin O1 tomo

C

varoon, did you finally get the O1 ?? Pls post your experience !!

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reddead said:
^ samsung people never update their phones....they updated galaxy s so late
and galaxy 3 is still running 2.1......ace's update doubtful

It seems Samsung will only update their mid-range android phones once. If your phone ships with froyo then you will get Gingerbread...
So G5 and G3 users only get froyo as an update....

OK guys i bought O1 like last month..till now

Good
Amazing capacitive screen !! (love it)
Froyo, so its fast
App world is cool
Good battery
GPS navigation kicks ass
Music quality is nice, maybe i can replace my ipod

Bad
Built quality is not the best !
Charger gives me problem like always
Cant play HD games, some ppl say they can play nfs shift on o1 but i cant figure that out

Ugly(Well not soo ugly ;D)
No flash, dont care bt had to point out

varoon said:
Built quality is not the best !

build quality is descent. or are you talking about the slim buttons?

varoon said:
Charger gives me problem like always

what problem?

varoon said:
Cant play HD games, some ppl say they can play nfs shift on o1 but i cant figure that out

i have not played Shift yet but overclocking really helps. setting up the SOC to clock at 750-760Mhz will offer a nice performance boost without affecting battery life or making the mobile hot.

Sam said:
build quality is descent. or are you talking about the slim buttons?

what problem?

i have not played Shift yet but overclocking really helps. setting up the SOC to clock at 750-760Mhz will offer a nice performance boost without affecting battery life or making the mobile hot.

Built quality i meant like home and back buttons in the grey pannel are a bit shakey.. i mean they dont feel well built

Charger problem is strange,, it was working fine since las few days bt now i have to hold the charger in a way so that it stays on charging, or else it stops quite frequently..strange !!

Can u tell me SAM how to overclock it ? do i need to root my o1

A

At least for Galaxy S i9000 with Gingerbread update 2.3.3:
if you go to office/work/college with a full battery in the morning, you can easily expect to be left with 30-50% battery with you exactly 12-14 hours later with moderate usage.

With Froyo, the battery was barely half this much.

For your budget, I would say go for a LG Optimus One P500 around 10.5 and save the remaining 4.5k and/or buy a 16gb microsd for around 1k. Then upgrade to a better phone after 6-9 months when the price becomes cheaper, 1 yr tops!

varoon said:
Cant play HD games, some ppl say they can play nfs shift on o1 but i cant figure that out

Sam said:
i have not played Shift yet but overclocking really helps. setting up the SOC to clock at 750-760Mhz will offer a nice performance boost without affecting battery life or making the mobile hot.

I have NFS Shift on the O1... the 39MB version of the game... Can play it well without overclocking. Good framerate...

varoon said:
Can u tell me SAM how to overclock it ? do i need to root my o1

To overclock, you have to root your phone. Then install SetCPU.

Man is it seriously so much difference in battery for 2.2 to 2.3?
Bt actually a good idea.. buy a big memory card and then shift to a better phone later.
Cos actually i really respect O1 its pretty cool phone for 10.5k bt to really enjoy the power of android maybe u need a better config phone. So im waiting for like HTC desire or arc to get cheaper!!!

Akshayt : Fully agree with you man !!

akshayt said:
At least for Galaxy S i9000 with Gingerbread update 2.3.3:
if you go to office/work/college with a full battery in the morning, you can easily expect to be left with 30-50% battery with you exactly 12-14 hours later with moderate usage.

With Froyo, the battery was barely half this much.

For your budget, I would say go for a LG Optimus One P500 around 10.5 and save the remaining 4.5k and/or buy a 16gb microsd for around 1k. Then upgrade to a better phone after 6-9 months when the price becomes cheaper, 1 yr tops!

Yep...

Actually for the same thought... I decided to go for Optimus One. My initial plan is to go for Galaxy SL.

I got my O1 for 8.7 K. I just went for O1 because i dont felt Galaxy SL or any other high end is really worth for spending another 9k-10k above O1. For O1 at below 9K.. I would have went for Galaxy SL at max of 15k. I got defy for 14.5 K, had dilemma. But i am not convinced to go for it.

@Thread starter, If you are ok with Defy, go for it at 15K~ from letsbuy.com

And above is my thought to my financial status

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I just got O1 and havent much played or browsed about it.
So, you tell us to upgrade O1 to Gingerbread ? Is it really that much batter saving ? :O

^^ I saw in desire S reviews that gingerbread actually drops the performance benchmark scores from froyo scores. Am sure about the battery part, but may be they are sacrificing a bit of performance to saving battery life(very good though actually. The phones are already powerful enough, androids need the battery

)

And IMO... Defy for 14.5-15K is very good VFM also, and lot better than O1 (hardware wise). Android updates considered, Defy is frozen at Froyo (if India gets the update). While O1 can already go on to Gingerbread.

Ganeshkumar said:
I got my O1 for 8.7 K.

where from?

gagan007 said:
where from?

He got it from letsbuy

Soumik said:
I saw in desire S reviews that gingerbread actually drops the performance benchmark scores from froyo scores.

needs better video driver i guess.

Soumik said:
^^ I saw in desire S reviews that gingerbread actually drops the performance benchmark scores from froyo scores. Am sure about the battery part, but may be they are sacrificing a bit of performance to saving battery life(very good though actually. The phones are already powerful enough, androids need the battery )

And IMO... Defy for 14.5-15K is very good VFM also, and lot better than O1 (hardware wise). Android updates considered, Defy is frozen at Froyo (if India gets the update). While O1 can already go on to Gingerbread.

Yes.. Defy is better... But I had a dilemma, whether is defy is worth over O1 for the extra ~6.5 k ? And had fear over its battery, some reviews told it is below average.

gagan007 said:
where from?

Yes... from Letsbuy.com through 15% cash back coupon