Budget Upgrade: Pleae suggest components

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: Gaming Gaming Gaming

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: Rs20,000.. can extend to Rs25,000

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: Not interested..

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Win 10

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: Not buying HDD but a 128GB SSD would be nice

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans:No

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: I will be buying only 4 components. CPU, Motherboard,PSU,RAM

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: This month

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: Yes

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Aizawl,Mizoram (in the north east). I will be buying online only because everything here costs too much extra.

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ok my current system is the following:

intel G3220
Gigabyte h110
8 GB DDR3
1 TB HDD WD Green
Gtx 1050ti 4GB
Unbranded PSU 400W (bundled with case)

I would like a decent CPU that wont bottleneck my 1050ti, and run all future games without stutters.

A motherboard that goes well with the CPU. ATX sized with lots of USB ports but mATX is also fine

RAM at least 8 GB

A PSU which will run my system fine

( A 128GB SSD if money is left)

I can play a lot of games right now but there are several games which require 4 cores or more. I use DualCore hotfix to play certain Quad core games, but when i play them, it stutters a lot. Fps counter will say 50 or 60 but it stutters a lot making it unplayable.
Using DualCore Fix and some modifications i can "run" games such as Watchdog 2, Titanfall 2, Deus Ex Mankind Divided.. but these games start stuttering in certain levels and makes it unplayable . For eg. In Deus Ex 1st mission, game is smooth till the part where we go down the elevator and there are several bad guys.
I blame the stutter on my Intel G3220 .

Now all i need is a Quad core CPU, but if i am spending some dough on new component , i want it to be usable for at least 3 more years.. There should be a decent upgrade path. I could save a lot of cash by purchasing i3 or i5 of my h110 generation, but i want to prepare for future upgrades...

By the way, is it a good time to buy PC hardware? RAM prices are still high, (but thankfully i dnt have to buy new GPU)

Ps. Kindly link me the online stores where i can buy the parts u recommend.

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Wait for the seniors.
Dude you were the one na who was duped at ebay I guess and you were willing to pay like half of the money if someone gets it back for you. Did you lodge a FIR?

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2 options

1) you can look for a decent used compatible core i5 .. should cost about 4-4.5k , PSU - Corsair CX 450 - 3.5k = 7.5-8k .. it shouldn't bottleneck your system with 1050ti in a big way( check benchmarks on youtube )

2) wait till next month or so for 2nd gen Ryzen processors to launch ..

CX 450 - 3.5k , Ram - 6.5k , Mobo - 5k , CPU - 14-15k ( if you want to future proof your rig for much more powerful GPU with 6 cores , ) ...

if you can't extend budget
alternatively you can buy Ryzen 2nd gen 9-10k CPU next month , after 3 years or so upgrade that to a used 3 rd gen Ryzen with more cores..

--- 3rd gen Ryzen is expected to bring a big bump in performance relatively , 2nd gen is a minor improvement.. , plus RAM prices are expected to start declining next year ...

with this budget go with Ryzen build

Budget -26.7K

AMD Ryzen 3 2200G -8900,
Asus Prime A320M-K -4800,
Corsair Vengeance 8GB LPX 3000Mhz DDR4 -7200,
Antec VP500PC -2900,
Kingston UV400 120GB SSD -2900.
TOTAL -26,700.

All above components prices are taken from mdcomputers.in except SSD which is taken from onlyssd.com

Thanks for the tips guys
@bssunilreddy

bssunilreddy said:
Budget -26.7K

AMD Ryzen 3 2200G -8900,
Asus Prime A320M-K -4800,
Corsair Vengeance 8GB LPX 3000Mhz DDR4 -7200,
Antec VP500PC -2900,
Kingston UV400 120GB SSD -2900.
TOTAL -26,700.

All above components prices are taken from mdcomputers.in except SSD which is taken from onlyssd.com

Shouldnt i simply get Ryzen 3 1200 ? I already have GPU.. i wont need the onboard graphics. Is the 2200G better in overall performance?
Is there a cheaper DDR4 RAM? I think a cheap 2400 Mhz RAM should be good enough.

gta5 said:
2 options

1) you can look for a decent used compatible core i5 .. should cost about 4-4.5k , PSU - Corsair CX 450 - 3.5k = 7.5-8k .. it shouldn't bottleneck your system with 1050ti in a big way( check benchmarks on youtube )

2) wait till next month or so for 2nd gen Ryzen processors to launch ..

CX 450 - 3.5k , Ram - 6.5k , Mobo - 5k , CPU - 14-15k ( if you want to future proof your rig for much more powerful GPU with 6 cores , ) ...

if you can't extend budget
alternatively you can buy Ryzen 2nd gen 9-10k CPU next month , after 3 years or so upgrade that to a used 3 rd gen Ryzen with more cores..

--- 3rd gen Ryzen is expected to bring a big bump in performance relatively , 2nd gen is a minor improvement.. , plus RAM prices are expected to start declining next year ...

Where to find a decent used i5 ?? Do online shops sell second hand ones? I cant simply walk around the street asking for a used CPU.

billubakra said:
Wait for the seniors.
Dude you were the one na who was duped at ebay I guess and you were willing to pay like half of the money if someone gets it back for you. Did you lodge a FIR?

Naah, i just wanna forget it. I feel ashamed of my stupidity. I just want the whole episode erased from my memory.

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mikael_schiffer said:
Naah, i just wanna forget it. I feel ashamed of my stupidity. I just want the whole episode erased from my memory.

It's okay, we all make mistakes. Good luck with your build.

Regarding Ryzen 3 2200G i looked around the net, came upon this.
Ryzen 3 1200 vs Ryzen 3 2200G • r/Amd

Rather confusing.. Can anyone explain it to me in simpler words. I dont understand SMTs and CCX and other shenanigans

Other forums they they say wait for Ryzen 2..how long do i have to wait?.
And when Ryzen 2 comes out people will say wait for budget Kaby Lake motherboards

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Basically ryzen 1st gen as cores in different places & communication between them happens through ram so if ram is slow then communication between cores is slow which lowers overall performance.2200G have all cores in same place so independent of ram for communication between them & hence overall higher performance.

Irrelevant but i just realised, ive been in this forum for 14 BLOODY YEARS. Damn im old af. And all i got so far is 1 like. FeelsBadMan

whitestar_999 said:
Basically ryzen 1st gen as cores in different places & communication between them happens through ram so if ram is slow then communication between cores is slow which lowers overall performance.2200G have all cores in same place so independent of ram for communication between them & hence overall higher performance.

thanks gottcha.
So that means i can get some cheap 1866 or 2400Mhz DDR4 RAM and be ok with it

G

mikael_schiffer said:
Other forums they they say wait for Ryzen 2..how long do i have to wait?.
And when Ryzen 2 comes out people will say wait for budget Kaby Lake motherboards

yes this is what we are saying wait for 2nd gen, they are launching next month officially .. at max you can expect it to reach india by 1st week of may if they launch by april end.. in past Ryzen have arrived very fast in india only after few days after they have been launched in USA..
so hopefully it will be the same this time

and cheaper Intel boards will likely also arrive next month.. but with intel you aren't sure of upgrade path , don't know if these mobo will support 9th gen processors or not..

you can find used i5 on olx ,quikr else online forums post a want to buy Ad , on digit and other indian tech forums..

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There is no 1866 DDR4 ram,you can get DDR4 2400 which should be fine for 2200G but integrated graphics performance of 2200G will be affected quite badly with a single stick of 2400 DDR4 ram.Ryzen 2 is launching in Apr so if you can wait it is better as right now 2200G is a bit overpriced so maybe there will be some price cut or 2nd gen Ryzen may be priced similar to 1st gen Ryzen 1200.

mikael_schiffer said:
Thanks for the tips guys
@bssunilreddy

Shouldnt i simply get Ryzen 3 1200 ? I already have GPU.. i wont need the onboard graphics. Is the 2200G better in overall performance?
Is there a cheaper DDR4 RAM? I think a cheap 2400 Mhz RAM should be good enough.

Ryzen 3 2200G is faster than Ryzen 3 1200. You can go with 8GB 2400Mhz DDR4 RAM since you already have a discrete GPU.

Budget -25.3K

AMD Ryzen 3 2200G -8900,
Asus Prime A320M-K -4800,
Crucial 8GB 2400Mhz DDR4 -5800,
Antec VP500PC -2900,
Kingston UV400 120GB SSD -2900.
TOTAL -25,300.

All above components prices are taken from mdcomputers.in except SSD which is taken from onlyssd.com

You can go with Intel Pentium G 4560 along with cheaper Crucial Desktop RAM and compatible motherboard.

Budget -24.4K

Intel Pentium G 4560 -4700,
Asrock B250M-HDV -4800,
Crucial 8GB 2400Mhz DDR4 -5800,
Antec VP500PC -2900,
Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD -6200.
TOTAL -24,400

All above components prices are taken from mdcomputers.in except SSD which is taken from onlyssd.com

mikael_schiffer said:
Irrelevant but i just realised, ive been in this forum for 14 BLOODY YEARS. Damn im old af. And all i got so far is 1 like. FeelsBadMan

Doesn't matter...just enjoy your stay

G

also i just looked at your rig again , you are using an unbranded el cheapo PSU bundled with case with Gtx 1050Ti ?
stop using that immediately and just get a Corsair CX 450 atleast , if you don't want to spend more on PSU.. "specifically this model only"

Ryzen 2200G > 1200 because it performs slightly better and it also comes with a backup in the form of onboard graphics in case the discrete GPU fails so that you won't rendered stranded.

If you seriously do not want to wait for Ryzen 2nd generation, then I suggest you try to get Ryzen 5 2400G because it has the ability to run 8 threads and coupled with your discrete card, might perform better in the long run. Further you are not considering overclocking.

The difference in price between 2400 MHz RAM and 3000 MHz RAM could be 1000 to 1200 Rs. If you can accommodate the higher RAM speed in your budget go for it. Or else try to get something higher than 2400 MHz.

Like @gta5 said, from the past Ryzen launches we can expect the new AMD launches to be available within a week of their international launch here in India as well.

Because of success of Ryzen and AMD's assurance of support for AM4 pin upto 4 years we can expect good replacement availability for upto 6 years in my guess. I would only consider AMD route. They are more value for money and would give longer life for your components.

If you are getting an SSD, you can live with your WD Green HDD, but if HDD is only going to be your main storage then please get at least Blue series with 7200 RPM or Black.

I believe buying used hardware components could be tricky and surely not dependable unless it is for a second/backup system.

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Amd Apu Ryzen 3 2200G-8.8K
ASUS MOTHERBOARD PRIME B350M-A -6.6k
Adata 8GB DDR4 RGB AX4U300038G16-SRS-7.2k
Antec VP450P-2.8k
Total:25k(approx)

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mikael_schiffer said:
thanks gottcha.
So that means i can get some cheap 1866 or 2400Mhz DDR4 RAM and be ok with it

There is no cheap DDR4 RAM, 8GB DDR4 RAM costs 6-7k

Guys just wanna say i bought the parts. Thanks for the inputs. I got the SSD from onlyssd.com earlier. I kinda overshot my budget overall. I think , with the ssd, i spent over Rs30,000

*i64.tinypic.com/289cvvc.jpg
*imgur.com/a/VkrwGWt

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mikael_schiffer said:
Guys just wanna say i bought the parts. Thanks for the inputs. I got the SSD from onlyssd.com earlier. I kinda overshot my budget overall. I think , with the ssd, i spent over Rs30,000

*i64.tinypic.com/289cvvc.jpg
*imgur.com/a/VkrwGWt

Congrats

Is it possible to change / cancel components ? If yes then get these..

Corsair Cx 450 -3.2k
Ryzen 5 1600 - 13.9k ( 6 cores- 12 threads )

1500x is ( 4 core - 8 threads)

Marginal Rs 1200 increase in price but it will make your rig a lot future proof and increase durability .. You also get 5 year warranty with Cx 450

This is more value for money

gta5 said:
Congrats
Is it possible to change / cancel components ? If yes then get these..

Corsair Cx 450 -3.2k
Ryzen 5 1600 - 13.9k ( 6 cores- 12 threads )

1500x is ( 4 core - 8 threads)

Marginal Rs 1200 increase in price but it will make your rig a lot future proof and increase durability .. You also get 5 year warranty with Cx 450

This is more value for money

umm where did you get the price of Ryzen 5 1600??

BTW, FedEx already processed the shipment. Guess speedy service has its drawbacks XD XD
And my earlier budget was Rs20k to Rs25k... so cant really cross anymore

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mikael_schiffer said:
umm where did you get the price of Ryzen 5 1600??

BTW, FedEx already processed the shipment. Guess speedy service has its drawbacks XD XD
And my earlier budget was Rs20k to Rs25k... so cant really cross anymore

AMD RYZEN 5 SERIES HEXA CORE PROCESSOR 1600 - WITH WRAITH SPIRE COOLING SOLUTION (AM4 SOCKET, 19M CACHE, UP TO 3.6 GHz)

Your choice , at least try to ask about PSU

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gta5 said:
AMD RYZEN 5 SERIES HEXA CORE PROCESSOR 1600 - WITH WRAITH SPIRE COOLING SOLUTION (AM4 SOCKET, 19M CACHE, UP TO 3.6 GHz)

Your choice , at least try to ask about PSU

Price decreased, ah.

gta5 said:
AMD RYZEN 5 SERIES HEXA CORE PROCESSOR 1600 - WITH WRAITH SPIRE COOLING SOLUTION (AM4 SOCKET, 19M CACHE, UP TO 3.6 GHz)

Your choice , at least try to ask about PSU

W T F
THIS IS SO UNFAIR. JUST (1 or 2) DAYS AFTER I ORDER THEY REDUCE THE PRICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Wait did you just buy a Zen CPU when Zen+ is available?

chimera201 said:
Wait did you just buy a Zen CPU when Zen+ is available?

been waiting to buy since last year
Moreover the first few Zen+ will be very expensive

mikael_schiffer said:
been waiting to buy since last year
Moreover the first few Zen+ will be very expensive

Well the mobo is expensive.
Buy Online | AMD RYZEN 5 2600 6-Core 3.4 GHz (3.9 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 Processor | Price in India

But if budget was a problem everyone in this thread were suggesting to get an APU. Should have gone with that. What about graphics?

Edit: Oh wait i see you have GTX 1050 ti.

Someone kill me please. Ryzen 5 2nd Gen 2600 just got listed in mdcomputers

mikael_schiffer said:
Someone kill me please. Ryzen 5 2nd Gen 2600 just got listed in mdcomputers

I think it was listed before your purchase

But the new mobo is expensive and AMD is behaving like Intel now releasing the cheap mobos later. The first gen mobos can be used but it will require a BIOS update.

Updating motherboard is a non-issue. Any decent retailer will do it for you. MD Computers for sure will do it. My experience.

Do not worry much. You can upgrade next year.