[Buying Advice] 20k 5/4.7inch android

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Hello folks,
This is actually for my brother, who wants to buy a new phone. I am currently using OnePlus One and pretty satisfied with it. We share this phone most of the times. I have tried to persuade him to buy this phone but he wont budge for some reasons. One is that he does not want the same phone

; the other and biggest problem is size. Its too big for his comfort. Thats THE one factor he cant compromise for. Honestly it feels big to me too but I have made my peace with size for the rest of goodies this phone is offering. Also, he is a heavy gamer. Thats prettyvmuch the most imp reason why he is buying this phone. Here goes my questionnaire.

1. Budget? 20,000. +/- 2000
2. Display type and size? Type any. Should be good enough for gaming, need sime sort of protection like GG or something. Size MUST be 5 or lower but not lower than 4.5
3. Dual sim? If it has dual sim then great, if not then its not a deal breaker.
4. Preferred choice of brand? None. Just decent build.
5. What camera option you want (flash, front facing camera)? Need both cameras. Front cam should be decent enough for video calling and primary should be decent enough for casual shooting.
6. Preferred operating system? (Android, iOS, Windows Phone, etc). Andorid will do fine. No iOS please (budget). Windows will do too but I am not sure whether it has the games available within app store or not.
7. Preferred connectivity options (3G, 4G ready). 4g is good since he may use it time to time but honestly no problem either way. Most of net usage is on wifi. 3g is must.
8. Primary use of handset (multimedia, camera, internet, gaming etc)?
Gaming. Like injustice, asphalt, clash of clans, gt racing, fifa etc are always there plus keeps trying new games. Internet capabilities must be good. Wifi is almost always on so no issues with wifi should be there. Internet calling like nymgo, viber, Skype etc. Frequently watches movies on phone. Camera he uses but not too picky about it. Low light imaging is not expected to be good. Mostly pics will be taken in good lighting.
9. Any specific mobile phones in consideration? Honor 6.
10. Any other info that you want to share.
I am not sure about gaming capability of honor. Any firsthand experience? Also, about 32gb storage space (inbuilt/expandable) is a must as you can see he will be using games and stuff. That's the reason i have excluded mi4. I have to buy it within 1 month max. Updates should be there. I am not saying fast updates like nexus or something but eventually, since he does not upgrade phones too quick. Atlst kitkat should be available at the moment.

Kindly help and let me know if any other thing i should add for you to advise.

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No inputs?

Get Oneplus One. no other phone in that budget comes close to the VFM package it offers. Else look for Xperia Z1C or Nexus 5

Best phone you can get is OPO after that depending on the sacrifices you can make its mi4 or honor 6
Looking at your demands mi4 perfectly fits your bill, it's lacking only in 4g and the limited 16gb storage,, the rest of the specs are as good as it can get on any flagships from last year
So you can recommend this to him, but make a note to point out exactly what I have said.,coz people expect so much for so less these days!!

Go for 1+1

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OPO and Desire 820 are the only android phones which are worth it in that category

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Thanks people. Yeah i know OPO is the best choice all round. I mean, thats why I own it. But he doesnt want it. Size is a deal breaker for him. I am inclined towards Honor 6. Kkn is suggesting desire 820 but I dont know if it can handle games as smoothly or not. I havent seen any reviews of desire 820. Any owners of any of these 2 phones here?

envyraw said:
Thanks people. Yeah i know OPO is the best choice all round. I mean, thats why I own it. But he doesnt want it. Size is a deal breaker for him. I am inclined towards Honor 6. Kkn is suggesting desire 820 but I dont know if it can handle games as smoothly or not. I havent seen any reviews of desire 820. Any owners of any of these 2 phones here?

Desire 820 has the same 64 bit SD615 and 2 gb ram in Yu Yureka. I installed Xcom Enemy Unknown (3.6 GB) on Yureka and it was very smooth. Though I didn't like the turn by turn gameplay

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envyraw said:
Thanks people. Yeah i know OPO is the best choice all round. I mean, thats why I own it. But he doesnt want it. Size is a deal breaker for him. I am inclined towards Honor 6. Kkn is suggesting desire 820 but I dont know if it can handle games as smoothly or not. I havent seen any reviews of desire 820. Any owners of any of these 2 phones here?

Desire 820 has a powerful SD615 octa core and great specs and design for the price
it looks and feels very upmarket(so does OPO for that matter)
im not a big fan of the Honor or the Mi4,they simply lack the "premium" feel and quality which is present in D820 and OPO
my personal advice is get the OPO or Desire 820 ,no other android can match them in that price range
Both will handle games perfectly as the hardware is very good,the big size of both can be a bit cumbersome but its totally worth it
in fact im tempted to get one of the two myself and replace my Nexus 5

Xperia ZR? Storage is low but can be rooted and then Link2SD might help there.
No idea if CPU/GPU are enough.

sling-shot said:
Xperia ZR? Storage is low but can be rooted and then Link2SD might help there.
No idea if CPU/GPU are enough.

No point in getting a phone with S4 Pro now when phones with 64 bit SD615 can be purchased for as low as 9k

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^^plus self cracking screen issue in all xperia z series

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I didnt see the size for D820. Well as i said, size is a deal breaker unfortunately. Otherwise, I would have bought another OPO long back. I am an OPO fan myself. And here premium feel is not a concern. I am still confused what to do.

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Thanks but ZR is a bit old now i think for the needs i mentioned.

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envyraw said:
I didnt see the size for D820. Well as i said, size is a deal breaker unfortunately. Otherwise, I would have bought another OPO long back. I am an OPO fan myself. And here premium feel is not a concern. I am still confused what to do.

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Thanks but ZR is a bit old now i think for the needs i mentioned.

since you have size-constraints pls check out Moto G2 as well,itll handle games well and the display size isnt too big
im not a big fan of the ZR)design is a bit boring,self cracking screen issues,old hardware etc
Moto G2 does a bit more for a lot less

yeah moto g2 is a great device and still holding great with lollipop.

Samsung has announced that the price of galaxy s4 will be dropped to 18k. ..i think it will be better than moto g2, right ??

Source : Samsung Galaxy S4 price dropped to Rs 17,999 - Tech2

^^Nope still not worth it. The device is a 2013 flagship plus heavily skinned touchwiz is making the device lag like hell.

$hadow said:
^^Nope still not worth it. The device is a 2013 flagship plus heavily skinned touchwiz is making the device lag like hell.

I doesn't lag like hell, you guys seriously exaggerate it...... The Lollipop Touchwiz is much lighter, so S4 would become much faster after Lollipop update.

Kitkat AOSP vs Touchwiz: I agree touchwiz isn't as smooth as AOSP, but see the features it offers

S4 has the best camera & display for sub 20k phone

anupam_pb said:
I doesn't lag like hell, you guys seriously exaggerate it...... The Lollipop Touchwiz is much lighter, so S4 would become much faster after Lollipop update.

Kitkat AOSP vs Touchwiz: I agree touchwiz isn't as smooth as AOSP, but see the features it offers

S4 has the best camera & display for sub 20k phone

I am telling you after seeing the lag in my friend s4. I am not exaggerating it. Yeah in terms of camera it is good but the build quality and touchwiz still sucks big time.

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ashs1 said:
Samsung has announced that the price of galaxy s4 will be dropped to 18k. ..i think it will be better than moto g2, right ??

Source : Samsung Galaxy S4 price dropped to Rs 17,999 - Tech2

avoid samsung at all costs-
1.touchwiz is very bloated and sluggish
2.poor build quality and often a simple repair means damaging other components in order to change the originally affected part(silver bezel etc)
3.oversaturated display and camera
4.Lollipop made my Nexus 5 and 7 extremely sluggish,I fail to see how Touchwiz lollipop can be fast

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$hadow said:
I am telling you after seeing the lag in my friend s4. I am not exaggerating it. Yeah in terms of camera it is good but the build quality and touchwiz still sucks big time.

Hi. I own an S4 too. Not to sound like a fanboy - which I aint - but S4 UI was never laggy since the day I purchased it. Maybe I got lucky. And after the L update its even faster and better. I didn't install many games though, just a few ones like Temple Run 2, Subway Surfer & all. But my phone is still works like a charm as compared to my friends' Moto G2(I got lotsa friends who bought G2).

Don't mean to start a war of words but its my 2 cents on the topic.

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Hi. I own an S4 too. Not to sound like a fanboy - which I aint - but S4 UI was never laggy since the day I purchased it. Maybe I got lucky. And after the L update its even faster and better. I didn't install many games though, just a few ones like Temple Run 2, Subway Surfer & all. But my phone is still works like a charm as compared to my friends' Moto G2(I got lotsa friends who bought G2).

Don't mean to start a war of words but its my 2 cents on the topic.

So finally someone is here who is saying touchwiz don't lag. I mean no offense to you but I would still like yo know about the overall ram consumption and do you suggest someone to buy it after 2 years.

None taken buddy

- after all, it was just my opinion & I didn't mean to belittle anyone's. After the L update I have around 700 - 800 MB free RAM. I dunno if thats less or more but I (can't stress enough on the fact about NO LAG) never experienced any lag at all. But then again maybe someone has keener eyes & senses than I do. My point is - I was & am happy with the phone

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Well coming to your question about suggesting it somebody - it all depends on the budget of the buyer. If the person can't spend more than 20k then yeah I would suggest. But if the buyer can spend more than 20k then NO. After all at the end of the day it comes down to MONEY.

ssb1551 said:
None taken buddy - after all, it was just my opinion & I didn't mean to belittle anyone's. After the L update I have around 700 - 800 MB free RAM. I dunno if thats less or more but I (can't stress enough on the fact about NO LAG) never experienced any lag at all. But then again maybe someone has keener eyes & senses than I do. My point is - I was & am happy with the phone .

Well coming to your question about suggesting it somebody - it all depends on the budget of the buyer. If the person can't spend more than 20k then yeah I would suggest. But if the buyer can spend more than 20k then NO. After all at the end of the day it comes down to MONEY.

Great explanation man. I was looking forward for how much ram is left available it is available in plenty.

$hadow said:
Great explanation man. I was looking forward for how much ram is left available it is available in plenty.

Even in Kitkat, S4 used 1-1.2GB RAM..... Lollipop update improved it's speed because of the optimization of Touchwiz

Even though it's a 2 year old phone, I don't think there is any other phone below 20k which has a great screen & camera, as S4 does. As far as its processing power is concerned, it's no match to Snapdragon 800+, but still it's better than Snapdragon 410..... We all know 64 bit is just a marketing term for now, full implementation will take time.

anupam_pb said:
Even in Kitkat, S4 used 1-1.2GB RAM..... Lollipop update improved it's speed because of the optimization of Touchwiz

Even though it's a 2 year old phone, I don't think there is any other phone below 20k which has a great screen & camera, as S4 does. As far as its processing power is concerned, it's no match to Snapdragon 800+, but still it's better than Snapdragon 410..... We all know 64 bit is just a marketing term for now, full implementation will take time.

True that brother. But people buying phone still holds out on purchasing a old hardware.

Snapdragon 615 (in Yureka and Desire 820)>> Exynos 5 Octa 5410 in S4
Just saying

SaiyanGoku said:
Snapdragon 615 (in Yureka and Desire 820)>> Exynos 5 Octa 5410 in S4
Just saying

I know that buddy, but companies are still launching phones with S410 at around 20k price. Desire 820 is a great phablet, but overpriced

Anyways, everyone has different choices & I'm just putting my opinion

Those A series are coming with SD 410 if I am not wrong.

$hadow said:
Those A series are coming with SD 410 if I am not wrong.

Yeah, exactly, even the E series
I really liked Alpha, it's current price of 28k is justifiable for me...... If you can spend 50k on iPone 6, then why not Alpha(or Z3 Compact) which is better

anupam_pb said:
Yeah, exactly, even the E series
I really liked Alpha, it's current price of 28k is justifiable for me...... If you can spend 50k on iPone 6, then why not Alpha(or Z3 Compact) which is better

Whaaat alpha is priced at 28k if I remember correctly it was launched at 38 or 40k.

$hadow said:
Whaaat alpha is priced at 28k if I remember correctly it was launched at 38 or 40k.

Yes it was launched at 38k
Now it's 26.5k
Samsung Galaxy Alpha (Charcoal Black): Buy Samsung Galaxy Alpha (Charcoal Black) Online at Low Price in India - Snapdeal.com
Haters are gonna hate but it's a VFM compact phone

K

^^not worth it imho
1.Snapdeal is risky and unreliable
2.Samsung Exynos is a problem,it doesnt have good roms and support because closed source hence half baked roms
3.extremely oversaturated display and camera,which results in unnatural colours
4.overpriced given that phones such as OPO,Moto X etc exist and offer better quality and support
5.Touchwiz is bogged down and sluggish
6.boring design,just changing the materials doesnt make it a whole new phone altogether

Compact, yes. VFM, nah. Oneplus One still holds that title.

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O-P-O is a good choice. Samsung's only good offering in the range of 20-25K is the Note 3 Neo. SD 615 is no match for the Exynos 5260 besides being 64 bit. Nexus 5 is another good choice.Go for the Samsung A series only if you desire the nice build quality.

Exynos is the future of mobile chips. The Exynos 7420 which is manufactured on the bleeding edge 14 NM process has already surpassed SD 810 in many aspects. The dev support will shift to Exynos in the future.As far as the so called "Oversaturated" SAMOLED display's are concerned, latest gen SAMOLED's offer LCD level brightness, black levels that no LCD can even come close and multiple display modes ranging from oversaturated to accurate.In short SAMOLED is the future of of mobile displays.

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[MENTION=261170]AbhMkh[/MENTION]: And you had to feed the :troll:

I said compact phone, Nexus 5 & Oneplus one are compact from no angle.... Both have 70mm+ width, even my N4 has 68.xmm width

Performance of Alpha is good enough, better than Exynos S5 in fact. Most android fanboys goes for the specs i.e. SoC & RAM

You can adjust the display's saturation, it was available even in my S2. AMOLEDs now produce much more accurate colour production. I've seen S5 & HTC One, side by side & S5 seemed better (used same pic to comare)

Also not everyone goes with the trend of bigger the phone, better

Alpha is sleek and stylish no second thought there.

$hadow said:
Alpha is sleek and stylish no second thought there.

yup..currently, the smartest looking device from samsung..

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I see the thread has gone further but thanks for all your inputs. I have bought mi4 64gb since it is compact and he was sceptical about honour's gaming performance.

ashs1 said:
yup..currently, the smartest looking device from samsung..

Yeah those metal edges looks classy

envyraw said:
I see the thread has gone further but thanks for all your inputs. I have bought mi4 64gb since it is compact and he was sceptical about honour's gaming performance.

Congrats, but why didn't you got Oneplus One instead?

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black_mamba said:
[MENTION=261170]AbhMkh[/MENTION]: And you had to feed the

and you had to go off topic and use personal attacks
im not sure if you said that for me or saiyangoku(like you have done before),either way,it was uncalled for and stupid imho

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envyraw said:
I see the thread has gone further but thanks for all your inputs. I have bought mi4 64gb since it is compact and he was sceptical about honour's gaming performance.

SaiyanGoku said:
Congrats, but why didn't you got Oneplus One instead?

I already mentioned in OP that size was a dealbreaker here. I already own an OPO even before its India launch. Only if OPO was 4.7/5 inch or had a mini version, that would have been THE perfect device for me.

envyraw said:
I already mentioned in OP that size was a dealbreaker here. I already own an OPO even before its India launch. Only if OPO was 4.7/5 inch or had a mini version, that would have been THE perfect device for me.

Ok, what are your initial impressions of Mi4?

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SaiyanGoku said:
Ok, what are your initial impressions of Mi4?

Haven't laid my hands on it yet. Since I am abroad, waiting for a relative to bring it. Will do a full review once I receive it.

^^Great man.

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AbhMkh said:
O-P-O is a good choice. Samsung's only good offering in the range of 20-25K is the Note 3 Neo. SD 615 is no match for the Exynos 5260 besides being 64 bit. Nexus 5 is another good choice.Go for the Samsung A series only if you desire the nice build quality.

Exynos is the future of mobile chips. The Exynos 7420 which is manufactured on the bleeding edge 14 NM process has already surpassed SD 810 in many aspects. The dev support will shift to Exynos in the future.As far as the so called "Oversaturated" SAMOLED display's are concerned, latest gen SAMOLED's offer LCD level brightness, black levels that no LCD can even come close and multiple display modes ranging from oversaturated to accurate.In short SAMOLED is the future of of mobile displays.

Exynos are only used by Samsung So Exynos are not the future of mobile chips.Truth is both Mediatek and Intel are going to eat Qualcomm shares this year with better chips.
Same with SAMOLED Samsung only uses it in their phone. Other manufactures uses AMOLED which are inferior version of SAMOLED.

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envyraw said:
I see the thread has gone further but thanks for all your inputs. I have bought mi4 64gb since it is compact and he was sceptical about honour's gaming performance.

Congrats on your new purchase Good choice Mi4 looks stunning.

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nah exynos and samsungs oversaturated displays will never become the industry standard
they are notorious for their issues and are limited to samsung
i agree with minion,mediatek and intel have a better chance
personally i prefer snapdragon because snapdragon devices are generally more stable and have better battery life etc(in my experience) but mediatek and intel are gonna eat into the low-mid range market
exynos is locked down and limited despite being ahead technologically
its like an experimental sports car with not much practicality over say a proven one

im not gonna dvelge deeper but I dont see how A series has better build quality than nexus 5 except for the metal rim
rubberised finish on Nexus 5 is much better and premium feeling
metal on a phone has issues such as low reception etc but does have advantages such as better heat dissipation
still samsungs problems will be present on all their products

as for Samsung amoled ,its surely bright but colours are unnatural and for a display purist,its not a good choice
amoleds from other companies are much better
best colours and lesser problems (burn in etc) is with Apple's "retina display" and Nokia "Clearblack" which along with their amoled display is one of the best displays ive seen on a phone (other than the G3 of course)

Have you even seen the display of Note 4?
Its no where near over saturated,in fact its more accurate than some LCDs lol
And it can be set to oversaturated mode also if you like
Only if other manufacturers started using AMOLED in their flagships ..
And nexus 5 build is average at best IMO

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well lets agree to disagree
I and many others find Samsung displays and cameras majorly oversaturated and unnatural colours and poor build and design
BTW most flagships have AMOLED in their flagships,samsung isnt the only one
only apple hasnt started using AMOLED
Nexus 5?average build quality??? its build and design has been praised to be one of the best,most even prefer it to Nexus 6
and this coming from someone (me) who prefers Lumia's polycarbonate certainly shows how impressive Nexus 5 build quality etc is

You can't complain for the nexus 5 build quality considering the price and specs it has.

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It is really hard to take a person seriously when they say that a polycarbonate built Nexus 5 has a better build quality than a metal Unibody A series phone.

The logic of these self proclaimed tech experts sometimes makes me want to pull my hair out. Every display tech is moving towards OLED, it
consumes minimal power and provides us with excellent image quality, zero black levels leading to infinite contrast.

I'd rather watch a video or movie on an OLED display than any other display in the world. Regarding the mobile chips, Samsung has the advantage of having it's own fabrication plants so it can use the bleeding edge of technology in its own Exynos processors

Everyone else has to depend on TSMC or other chip manufacturer's. I agree Intel and Mediatek would cater to the poor man but in the high end category, I predict Samsung will reign supreme.

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AbhMkh said:
Everyone else has to depend on TSMC or other chip manufacturer's. I agree Intel and Mediatek would cater to the poor man but in the high end category, I predict Samsung will reign supreme.

So you are saying Samsung is new apple in India :duh2:

Come on guys Samsung phones are not cheap or VFM.

I don't know why people are supporting Samsung so much as if they are giving smart phones for free. :mrgreen:

My point is people should research before buying any gadgets not blindly support any particular company.

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Minion said:
So you are saying Samsung is new apple in India

Come on guys Samsung phones are not cheap or VFM.

I don't know why people are supporting Samsung so much as if they are giving smart phones for free.

My point is people should research before buying any gadgets not blindly support any particular company.

Very true!! very few companies are worth spending/supporting these days
i only go in for tried and tested and only trust user opinions
I wouldnt buy another samsung product even if it was the last OEM on earth
they have made me run around alot for various products

If I buy sammy again it might be of a sole reason that SD810 overheats and throttles a lot.

OP bought Mi4 a month ago.

Minion said:
So you are saying Samsung is new apple in India

Come on guys Samsung phones are not cheap or VFM.

I don't know why people are supporting Samsung so much as if they are giving smart phones for free.

My point is people should research before buying any gadgets not blindly support any particular company.

I guess people blindly hate samsung

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^^ or samsung deserves to be hated if they cant make proper products or even service them

Well we all nearly hate Samsung pretty badly :-D

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$hadow said:
Well we all nearly hate Samsung pretty badly

with good reason

I even get pissed at people who buy them and then complain despite my warning then they buy even more and complain again(my friends and family)

kkn13 said:
with good reason
I even get pissed at people who buy them and then complain despite my warning then they buy even more and complain again(my friends and family)

Yeah that is what I also hate. If you do not buy what I suggested then you have no right to come and complain about the device performance to me.