Confused-Phone for dad @15k

1. Budget? 10-15k
2. Display type and size? 4-4.7 inch any type
3. Dual sim? yes
4. Preferred choice of brand? Sony , Samsung, Moto, Nokia , HTC (No Lenovo, Xolo, Xeomi, MMX etc)
5. What camera option you want (flash, front facing camera)? Need flash , front camera, good camera
6. Preferred operating system? (Android, iOS, Windows Phone, etc). android
7. Preferred connectivity options (3G, 4G ready). 3G
8. Primary use of handset (multimedia, camera, internet, gaming etc)? music, camera and calling
9. Any specific mobile phones in consideration? none matches
10. Any other info that you want to share

MotoG - bad camera
Asus Zenphone 5 - poor battery life
Xperia M - no kitkat , small screen...still can consider it ..bit old

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Sony Xperial L owner - did you at least get 4.3 ....I think this one have the best cam of all in that range

Moto G... Easy to use OS & dual sim. + 2000 rupees discount makes it perfect deal. Camera is not poor its "OKish". I got some superb clicks with moto g. Sometimes photos are bit blurred if phone is not stable else its great phone. Ahh...those pics taken with Lens Blur are freaking awesome.

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Xperia SP or ZR. Its 3k above your price point but camera is superb

Moto G

Zenfone 5 or LG L90

Xperia ZR is a better option though

Few shots captured from Moto G... No post processing.
*i.imgur.com/E2qyQnr.jpg
*i.imgur.com/t9zji6W.jpg
See all 4 images - Moto G camera test - Imgur

[MENTION=10255]ankush[/MENTION] these are not good enough

ZR & SP are awesome but single sim

LG L90 is quit a fit ...any real experience

Zenfone 5 have very poor battery I heard

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sujoyp said:
[MENTION=10255]ankush[/MENTION] these are not good enough

ZR & SP are awesome but single sim

LG L90 is quit a fit ...any real experience

Zenfone 5 have very poor battery I heard

These are more than good enough for a phone that costs 10K. If you want better camera performance, maybe you can check out the Lumia's..

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Lumia's are a good option also, I've heard people are happy with their WP8 mobiles.

For your dad you should GO for MOTO G

1.Perfect Size to hold,
2. Grip is awesome,
3. Very well optimised & Stable OS Operation,
5. Looks Like Premium phone
4. 16 GB will be OK for him.
5. Good Battery Life
Zenphone is also a good Choice, But do not go for Xperia M,

sujoyp said:
Sony Xperial L owner - did you at least get 4.3 ....I think this one have the best cam of all in that range

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Nope.. No official 4.3 release for Xperia L so far.. And I think there won't be any more updates.. Sony has forgotten us..

I want better cam

Ok If I consider Lumia ...is Lumia 630 good...and what I read in reviews that it have good camera...any one can confirm ...and any downside of 630?

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sujoyp said:
I want better cam

Ok If I consider Lumia ...is Lumia 630 good...and what I read in reviews that it have good camera...any one can confirm ...and any downside of 630?

You'll be stuck with tiles and blocks for quite some time to come haha. However, I do feel Android is just as easy to use if ease of use is an issue. In my opinion you should go for Moto G.
Any specific reason why you aren't considering Xiaomi MI3?

I have used WP 7.5 for about an year after that I gave that to father , and he have used it too

soo no issues with WP

I will have to see proper samples of motoG it seems

Xiaomi is out of question bro..its for father...He dont want any chineese crap

.....if It would be for me I would have scrapped all and had selected between Zenphone 5 and Xiomi MI3

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[MENTION=128954]sujoy[/MENTION], btw go to any SONY center and have a good look at Xperia ZR. It's an awesome phone and the camera is great. You'll fall in love with the phone until......
you see the front camera which is VGA and is beyond pathetic. But, that shouldn't be an issue right?
But the phone sells for around 18.5K which is quite reasonable. Also, if you purchase it on Flipkart, you've got some cash-back option too. You'll have to use a State Bank card though.

I did consider ZR when I bought my Xperia ZL in march , but right now for dad its beyond budget ...and he wants a dual sim specifically..as he travels to different places on job

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Performance wise Moto G is better as it will always have stock android instead of the manufacturer's junk but camera is the only drawback. You want your phone to take quality pictures, sony's 13MP are providing that. If Dual Sim is of high priority then go for Moto G.

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I'm an ex ZL user as well

it was an awesome phone until it died and just wouldn't power on..

buy two phones. One moto G and other a Chinese **** ! and get 2 sims !

K

Best is xiaomi Mi3 as i just gifted ut to my dad 2 weeks ago and he loves it. Infact everyone in my family now wants Mi3. My dad also used dual sim phone but now he is ok. He uses another small nokia phone as secondary phone. Xiaomi mi3 battery is awesome. My dad gets lots of calls so i needed a phone with good battery backup. Mi3 lasts whole day and there is still 40-45% battery left. Thats after atleast one hour of voice calls. Amd 2g net always on. Sync always on. Brightness set on auto and half. Rotation always on. I am now a fan of xiaomi.

getting it is a lottery though

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Anorion said:
getting it is a lottery though

I know but it's worth it. Also there are some scripts on the Internet that you can use to buy it as many dealers and people are using that. That's why it gets sold out in 2 seconds. I brought it during its first flash sale.

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sujoyp said:
1. Budget? 10-15k
2. Display type and size? 4-4.7 inch any type
3. Dual sim? yes
4. Preferred choice of brand? Sony , Samsung, Moto, Nokia , HTC (No Lenovo, Xolo, Xeomi, MMX etc)
5. What camera option you want (flash, front facing camera)? Need flash , front camera, good camera
6. Preferred operating system? (Android, iOS, Windows Phone, etc). android
7. Preferred connectivity options (3G, 4G ready). 3G
8. Primary use of handset (multimedia, camera, internet, gaming etc)? music, camera and calling
9. Any specific mobile phones in consideration? none matches
10. Any other info that you want to share

MotoG - bad camera
Asus Zenphone 5 - poor battery life
Xperia M - no kitkat , small screen...still can consider it ..bit old

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Sony Xperial L owner - did you at least get 4.3 ....I think this one have the best cam of all in that range

Check this out Best budget smartphones under Rs. 15,000 | Digit.in

me and my dad both are photo enthusiast...cant even dream of neglecting camera feature ... even no led of Lumia 630 is a no no.

I saw many reviews of LG L90 ...it seems fine ....any known downside of this

sujoyp said:
me and my dad both are photo enthusiast...cant even dream of neglecting camera feature ... even no led of Lumia 630 is a no no.

I saw many reviews of LG L90 ...it seems fine ....any known downside of this

Dude, if you want a camera phone then trust me, go for ASUS Zenfone 5.I own an Asus Zenfone 5 and it provides excellent Bang for the Buck. The only known con is battery backup which gets solved after the mobile is caliberated updated. Plus Kitkat Update (scheduled at September)will give around 30-40 % more battery life (One of the reasons Motorola has more battery backup is because it's got Kitkat!) Plus Asus has more service centers (count the Asus Laptop Service centers as the Zenfone Service center and if you don't believe me then just go and talk to any Asus retailer nearby)

I don't know about Lumia 630, but tried the camera of Lumia 525 and it's crap in low light! Otherwise Lumia 630 is an excellent phone (the phone looks Premium !)

thanks...i will read about zenphone 5 in detail

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wait for the superman Lumia 730 to launch next month ... it will have

dual sim
4.7 inch 720p screen
a great 6.5/8 mp camera
a 5mp front cam
1.2 ghz Quad SD 400
1gb ram
great looks

Price - around 15k

in any case dont buy 630 due to 512mb + no flash+ overprice but the 5mp unit is very very good cam( personally used ) but no flash ruins it

so wait for 730 perfect phone for the budget and fits your requirements

sujoyp said:
me and my dad both are photo enthusiast...cant even dream of neglecting camera feature ... even no led of Lumia 630 is a no no.

I saw many reviews of LG L90 ...it seems fine ....any known downside of this

L90 lacks an ambient light sensor. One might have to up the brightness manually while outdoors and down indoors which will soon become PITA. However it may be possible to find a common setting.

ok..lets see about Lumia 730

no ambient sensor is fine...i keep it manual on mine even if it have it...low brightness is disguesting sometimes

If I were you I would have bought an LG L90 or would wait for Lumia 730

No moto and xiaomi for parents

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It all depends upon usage. If you father is not tech savvy and need easy to use mobile then Lumia is the option if he wants more of news, mail, browsing then go for Android.

If camera is priority then go for Lumia if not then MI 3 is good option if you happen to get one

. Both has great battery life. Refrain from Android if he is going to be online much time as the battery drains out much unless you use Battery saver efficiently.

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saurabha26may said:
It all depends upon usage. If you father is not tech savvy and need easy to use mobile then Lumia is the option if he wants more of news, mail, browsing then go for Android.

If camera is priority then go for Lumia if not then MI 3 is good option if you happen to get one . Both has great battery life. Refrain from Android if he is going to be online much time as the battery drains out much unless you use Battery saver efficiently.

Every smartphone drains battery if you use them. Major battery drain is caused by the type of screen used in the mobile. Samsung uses amoled which consumes the most battery. (All models before galaxy S5) my dad owns Mi3 and he always reaches home with 40-45% remaining. Thats with atleast 1hrs on call, two email accounts with synch on all the time, one news, one cricket, two weater apps all set toin sync interval, bbm, facebook and whatsapp. Net on all the time 2g. And wifi usage for 3-4 hours. He leaves in the morning at around 8 and comes back after 8pm. If he switched of mobile data and use just wifi for 3-4 hrs in a day. His phone battery is drained just 30-40% (atleast 70% remaining) at the end of the day. And he also uses his phone whenever he is free because this is his first smarphone. So he starts exploring whenever he gets free time. So he also gets min 2-4hrs screen on time from morning to night.

All that and min 40% battery always remains at the end of the day. Thats when the phone is not in power save mode. Its on balanced mode. If i set it on power save mode it doesn't even drain 50%. He receives lot of videos on whatsapp so he watches videos as well and he experiment with his camera everyday. I will share the pics taken by Mi3 tonight. One of the pic was taken accidentally as i suddenly had to perform some task while i was playing around with camera. So pic was captured while i was walking a bit fast. And it came out so awesome. Not even my galaxy s3 is capable of such an awesome pic. Hdr mode is even more awesome. Played around with manual focus and macro mode too. Camera is awesome. Will upload all those pics tonight.
3 of my friends got lumia inspite of me advising against it and they were crying after getting them. 2 already sold them and got new devices and one can't afford to buy new device so he is stuck with it.

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kapiljhajhria said:
Every smartphone drains battery if you use them. Major battery drain is caused by the type of screen used in the mobile. Samsung uses amoled which consumes the most battery.

AFAIK AMOLED screens are most battery saver screen. Because of LEDs are off when black shows.

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doom2010 said:
AFAIK AMOLED screens are most battery saver screen. Because of LEDs are off when black shows.

If you use only. Black themes and use black backgrounds everywhere the. Amoleds consumes relatively less battery but even then they consume much more battery then any other screen. From galaxy s4 onwards they made some optimization anf ut became a bit battery friendly. With S5 its a giant leap. (No personal experience with s5 as of yet) will be buying S5 or S5 prime and find out then. Amoled are much better display according to me. No other manufacturer uses amoled only samsung does. Samsung is having tough time selling their display technology. As of now only samsung uses it or maybe one or two more companies. But that too not on very large scale. Whereas sony, htc, motorola, lg etc they mostly use same technology. Not all of those uses exactly same but other's are used by much more companies than amoled's.

kapiljhajhria said:
If you use only. Black themes and use black backgrounds everywhere the. Amoleds consumes relatively less battery but even then they consume much more battery then any other screen. From galaxy s4 onwards they made some optimization anf ut became a bit battery friendly. With S5 its a giant leap. (No personal experience with s5 as of yet) will be buying S5 or S5 prime and find out then. Amoled are much better display according to me. No other manufacturer uses amoled only samsung does. Samsung is having tough time selling their display technology. As of now only samsung uses it or maybe one or two more companies. But that too not on very large scale. Whereas sony, htc, motorola, lg etc they mostly use same technology. Not all of those uses exactly same but other's are used by much more companies than amoled's.

Nokia C6-01, Motorola Droid RAZR, Moto X, BlackBerry Z30, Q10 :wink:

AMOLED - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
can't list them all :lol:

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SaiyanGoku said:
Moto X

Just moto x. Even samsung doesn't uses amoleds in all it's smartphones. If i start writing everything, it will take days to finish one post. But i hope the person i replied to gets what i was saying. In short if you xan prove in any way or show some good article saying that amoled are most battery efficient or even considered as battery efficient i will pay 100$. (Not talking about the latest screens which came this year). Second point was amoleds are less or least widely adopted (don't come up with "samsung sold max no of devices and those had amoled, so amoled is most used) that's not what i am saying.

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kapiljhajhria said:
Just moto x. Even samsung doesn't uses amoleds in all it's smartphones. If i start writing everything, it will take days to finish one post. But i hope the person i replied to gets what i was saying. In short if you xan prove in any way or show some good article saying that amoled are most battery efficient or even considered as battery efficient i will pay 100$. (Not talking about the latest screens which came this year). Second point was amoleds are less or least widely adopted (don't come up with "samsung sold max no of devices and those had amoled, so amoled is most used) that's not what i am saying.

here from a 2011 article

Battery life on AMOLED screen mobiles improved by simple tweak - CNET

"The bright screen caused the battery to drop 71 per cent compared to just 12.2 per cent for the dark screen."

if you use blacks then amoleds will use much much less power than IPS LCD but if you crank up the brightness at 100 % the whites on lcd will consume less power than an amoled screen .. at other levels power consumption would be better on amoleds .. on 100 % whites amoleds consumes too much power.. on using colored wallpapers amoleds uses much less battery than lcds. when using blacks it totally crushes LCD power consumption

whites are LCD strength whereas Blacks are AMoleds strength .. overall Amoleds are much more battery efficient due to the power savings that can be brought upon due to using blacks and since nobody uses phones at 100 % brightness, the power advantage to LCD is hardly observed by anyone.

Thoughts on AMOLED and LCD displays in 2013: Is there a clear winner? | PhoneDog

"It's important to mention that LCD displays are only more efficient at full brightness as compared to AMOLED. AMOLED screens are more efficient all around, just not when the brightness is cranked up."

now i am waiting for 100 $

and these are comparison of old amoleds not counting the newer displays

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rish said:
here from a 2011 article

Battery life on AMOLED screen mobiles improved by simple tweak - CNET

"The bright screen caused the battery to drop 71 per cent compared to just 12.2 per cent for the dark screen."

if you use blacks then amoleds will use much much less power than IPS LCD but if you crank up the brightness at 100 % the whites on lcd will consume less power than an amoled screen .. at other levels power consumption would be better on amoleds .. on 100 % whites amoleds consumes too much power.. on using colored wallpapers amoleds uses much less battery than lcds. when using blacks it totally crushes LCD power consumption

whites are LCD strength whereas Blacks are AMoleds strength .. overall Amoleds are much more battery efficient due to the power savings that can be brought upon due to using blacks and since nobody uses phones at 100 % brightness, the power advantage to LCD is hardly observed by anyone.

Thoughts on AMOLED and LCD displays in 2013: Is there a clear winner? | PhoneDog

"It's important to mention that LCD displays are only more efficient at full brightness as compared to AMOLED. AMOLED screens are more efficient all around, just not when the brightness is cranked up."

now i am waiting for 100 $ and these are comparison of old amoleds not counting the newer displays

Research a bit more. There is not just amoled and lcd display. There are many more types and sub types. Amoled, super amoled , lcd, slcd, tft, ips , higher version of ips (don't remember the name) etc and read again what i wrote. Word by word. Amoled vs lcd proves nothing and read this article properly. Most of the geniuses like you have a habit of reading or seeing only what they want to see. Come up with a better articles or proof. Its 100$ not 100rs not that easy to earn.

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kapiljhajhria said:
Research a bit more. There is not just amoled and lcd display. There are many more types and sub types. Amoled, super amoled , lcd, slcd, tft, ips , higher version of ips (don't remember the name) etc and read again what i wrote. Word by word. Amoled vs lcd proves nothing and read this article properly. Most of the geniuses like you have a habit of reading or seeing only what they want to see. Come up with a better articles or proof. Its 100$ not 100rs not that easy to earn.

i know it bro... but do you know what is the difference between all of those ? at the very basic ips,Slcd,SLcd2 all are variants of LCD which differ with improvements caused due to improvements in technology, and variations in implementation techniques/technology ? AmolEd , super amoled , super amoled plus etc all are variants of OLED and each next generation OLEd better than the previous generation.. what you are talking about is the base level of technology .. Oled can't match the whites of LCD and Lcd can't match the blacks of OLED due to the inherent basic nature of the screens.. LCD cannot work without without backlight because it cannot produce its own light. and blocks white backlight to display black which consumes more energy to block out white colour , whereas oleds can simply turn pixels off and will always be ahead of LCD due to the basic nature of technology and thus enjoying better Power consumption in blacks and colored images and thus overall better than LCD .. in whites LCD will be ahead

straight from wikipedia

"While an OLED will consume around 40% of the power of an LCD displaying an image that is primarily black, for the majority of images it will consume 60–80% of the power of an LCD. However, an OLED can use more than three times as much power to display an image with a white background"

they both can improve and reduce the power consumption in their weak areas. in order for a fair comparison one needs to compare 2 different technology at the same time period .. the article i mentioned above compares SLCD and IPS based tft LCD in comparison To super amoled and in both cases it has much better power consumption in black and normal scenarios except whites .. secondly ips consumes more power than the old tn based tft lcd ..

but since you specifically asked not to compare newer one i compared old one for you and showed you proof with articles and links .. its ok if you don't want to pay 100 $ , it was just a poke, i never expected it lol .. but just for the sake of defending your 100 $ stand please don't get personal and please look and understand what i or articles are saying.. i am not asking you 100 $

but request you to not overlook .. if you find any factual error in what i posted or linked please do let me know i would be more eager than you to correct myself ,

thanks

sujoyp said:
ok..lets see about Lumia 730

no ambient sensor is fine...i keep it manual on mine even if it have it...low brightness is disguesting sometimes

I personally think Moto G & Zenfone 5 are best options for your dad. I would recommend those to my dad too, if i have to.

Just ask his size preference & get one. If he's ok with Zenfone 5, then get it as it's better

K

i just read the first line... read my post again..types and subtypes...pretty sure rest of your post is also like that

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kapiljhajhria said:
i just read the first line....pretty sure rest of your post is also like that

i'll count this as ignorance , close mindedness and a good escape route

thanks bye

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rish said:
i know it bro... but do you know what is the difference between all of those ? at the very basic ips,Slcd,SLcd2 all are variants of LCD which differ with improvements caused due to improvements in technology, and variations in implementation techniques/technology ? AmolEd , super amoled , super amoled plus etc all are variants of OLED and each next generation OLEd better than the previous generation.. what you are talking about is the base level of technology .. Oled can't match the whites of LCD and Lcd can't match the blacks of OLED due to the inherent basic nature of the screens.. LCD cannot work without without backlight because it cannot produce its own light. and blocks white backlight to display black which consumes more energy to block out white colour , whereas oleds can simply turn pixels off and will always be ahead of LCD due to the basic nature of technology and thus enjoying better Power consumption in blacks and colored images and thus overall better than LCD .. in whites LCD will be ahead

straight from wikipedia

"While an OLED will consume around 40% of the power of an LCD displaying an image that is primarily black, for the majority of images it will consume 60–80% of the power of an LCD. However, an OLED can use more than three times as much power to display an image with a white background"

they both can improve and reduce the power consumption in their weak areas. in order for a fair comparison one needs to compare 2 different technology at the same time period .. the article i mentioned above compares SLCD and IPS based tft LCD in comparison To super amoled and in both cases it has much better power consumption in black and normal scenarios except whites .. secondly ips consumes more power than the old tn based tft lcd ..

but since you specifically asked not to compare newer one i compared old one for you and showed you proof with articles and links .. its ok if you don't want to pay 100 $ , it was just a poke, i never expected it lol .. but just for the sake of defending your 100 $ stand please don't get personal and please look and understand what i or articles are saying.. i am not asking you 100 $ but request you to not overlook .. if you find any factual error in what i posted or linked please do let me know i would be more eager than you to correct myself ,

thanks

+1 for that

[MENTION=273585]kapiljhajhria[/MENTION] can u give us some reliable link where it says IPS LCD are more battery saver than AMOLED display in overall condition?

Sorry for OT we are bit off topic
It is best if you wait for Nokia 730 or moto g2 (though it has 5 inch screen) if it is properly priced.

G

Check out Samsung galaxy s4 mini

it has the light sensor as compared to other Samsung devices

has a great camera

dual sim

but only thing to compromise is small screen and low resolution

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kapiljhajhria said:
If you use only. Black themes and use black backgrounds everywhere the. Amoleds consumes relatively less battery but even then they consume much more battery then any other screen. From galaxy s4 onwards they made some optimization anf ut became a bit battery friendly. With S5 its a giant leap. (No personal experience with s5 as of yet) will be buying S5 or S5 prime and find out then. Amoled are much better display according to me. No other manufacturer uses amoled only samsung does. Samsung is having tough time selling their display technology. As of now only samsung uses it or maybe one or two more companies. But that too not on very large scale. Whereas sony, htc, motorola, lg etc they mostly use same technology. Not all of those uses exactly same but other's are used by much more companies than amoled's.

what??

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doom2010 said:
+1 for that

[MENTION=273585]kapiljhajhria[/MENTION] can u give us some reliable link where it says IPS LCD are more battery saver than AMOLED display in overall condition?

Sorry for OT we are bit off topic
It is best if you wait for Nokia 730 or moto g2 (though it has 5 inch screen) if it is properly priced.

^^totally agree,lumia 730 and moto g2(leaked specs) are better than mi3 and all those gimmicky phones and have better battery life
the 730 is an upgrade over the 720(obviously) and i have not seen a phone with better battery life yet
the moto g is not far behind and has great battery life for an android phone
my friends mi3 gave him terrible battery life for the 10 days that he had it before selling it for 2k less and getting a moto g with student discount off flipkart,hes much happier with the moto

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gamefreak4770k said:
Check out Samsung galaxy s4 mini

it has the light sensor as compared to other Samsung devices

has a great camera

dual sim

but only thing to compromise is small screen and low resolution

worth checking but samsung phones lag thanks to touchwiz
a stock android phone or a lumia are better choices unless ops willing to change the rom or something(not worth it since its for his dad and he ll want a "piece of mind" phone

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even zenfone is worth considering but my personal opinion is the 730 which will release soon because UI etc are much better for older people
even my grandad and parents got accustomed to windows phone easily,my dad however switched to android because of a few apps for his business which were only available on android but he still keeps his 720 with him with another sim

Thanks guys for all suggestions...Got LG L90 for dad

Things I considered ..
needed 4.5-4.7 incher (All 5 inch mobile rejected)
Need reliable service centers (Xiomi rejected )
Need good cam (Moto G rejected)
Needed dual sim (Nokia 625 and Sony xperia SP rejected)
Asus zenphone 5 not found in shops

Congo..Finally my suggestion worked :lol:

no thanks please...

[MENTION=121890]kaz[/MENTION] dont be soo humble ...thanks a lot

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kaz said:
Congo..Finally my suggestion worked

no thanks please...

ahh well i was about to thank you by sending you pm for money transfer details

but then you said

"No thanks please"

congrats [MENTION=39722]sujoyp[/MENTION] :doublethumb:

rish said:
ahh well i was about to thank you by sending you pm for money transfer details

but then you said

"No thanks please"

please do it now

2nd gen moto g

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jaimin100 said:
2nd gen moto g

what are you smoking

he already bought LG L90