ECE/ETE vs. CSE! · DIGIT-ARC

i think the veterans visit this sub-forum regularly, so i'm posting my query here!
Which is the more geekier subject: Electronics & Communication Engineering(ECE)/Electronics & TeleCommunication Engineering(ETE) or Computer Science & Engineering(CSE)???

Geekier? WTF?
What do you mean?

Choose what you like or what you are good at.

lol...both ECE and CSE is for geeks..!! Choose one that you are interested in.

Well, i have read the syllabus of both and found that "Encryption" and "data coding" is not included in CSE, whereas it is in ECE. I love these stuffs! But, then again, i have not that much interests in Satellite communication compared to computers!

Can i learn these topics separately if i take CSE?

A

If it's not part of the syllabus, you cannot study it as part of the curriculum. You *may* get it as an elective in the final year (depends on the university).

Sigh...

J

sammy_cool said:
Well, i have read the syllabus of both and found that "Encryption" and "data coding" is not included in CSE, whereas it is in ECE. I love these stuffs! But, then again, i have not that much interests in Satellite communication compared to computers!

Can i learn these topics separately if i take CSE?

What else do you know about ECE ? Core ECE is for hardcore electronic geeks and not for those who are planning a career outside the electronics field.

Are you planning a career in IT ? If yes then go for CSE otherwise if you have many other plans then you can choose CSE.

One thing is sure : even if you choose CSE then also you have to study some electronics subjects, because they are related.

Jerin said:
What else do you know about ECE ? Core ECE is for hardcore electronic geeks and not for those who are planning a career outside the electronics field.

Are you planning a career in IT ? If yes then go for CSE otherwise if you have many other plans then you can choose CSE.

One thing is sure : even if you choose CSE then also you have to study some electronics subjects, because they are related.

processor architecture and related topics are included in both ECE and CSE, i guess? Initially, i'll join a company just to earn money, but i plan to indulge in R&D activity in the long term!

processor architecture and related topics are included in both ECE and CSE, i guess? Initially, i'll join a company just to earn money, but i plan to indulge in R&D activity in the long term!

mate that's exactly what I wanna do.

heard of VLSI? (it's okay if you havnt, some 2nd year engineering students dont know too), well, thats what I plan to do.

FOr that, I have to choose either ECE or EEE, and under ECE electives you can do a bit programming too, if that satisfies your computer hunger.

But remember, in the end, do what you want to do, cuz you bloody hell will have to do that rest of your life (unless you become "another" IT professional, or "another" MBA degree holder)

comp@ddict said:
mate that's exactly what I wanna do.

heard of VLSI? (it's okay if you havnt, some 2nd year engineering students dont know too), well, thats what I plan to do.

FOr that, I have to choose either ECE or EEE, and under ECE electives you can do a bit programming too, if that satisfies your computer hunger.

But remember, in the end, do what you want to do, cuz you bloody hell will have to do that rest of your life (unless you become "another" IT professional, or "another" MBA degree holder)

well, i know what VLSI designing is, but it can be done later as a separate crash course also...it's an awesum topic btw!

A

Know that real VLSI designing is impossible without knowledge of electronics. If you really want to go that way, I suggest taking ECE or EEE.

sammy_cool said:
well, i know what VLSI designing is, but it can be done later as a separate crash course also...it's an awesum topic btw!

AcceleratorX said:
Know that real VLSI designing is impossible without knowledge of electronics. If you really want to go that way, I suggest taking ECE or EEE.

There you go. That's why my options are ECE and EEE. I spoke to the professors wherever I get an opportunity. They say, grab ECE if you get it, then EEE as 2nd choice.

I have interest in processor architecture/microprocessors, communication systems and as well as hacking, coding, programming. What should i choose?

Well, under ECE you have electives in C++ and basic coding. If you want to be a white hat hacker, you can pursue it in a specialization course later on.

FOr processor architecture , VLSI is the key, and it's available under both ECE and EEE

comp@ddict said:
Well, under ECE you have electives in C++ and basic coding. If you want to be a white hat hacker, you can pursue it in a specialization course later on.

FOr processor architecture , VLSI is the key, and it's available under both ECE and EEE

well, i think VLSI is also an elective in CSE course, right?

A

^Even if it is, you will have a very hard time understanding VLSI as anything other than an ECE/EEE engineer.

sammy_cool said:
well, i think VLSI is also an elective in CSE course, right?

I don't think so. Not CSE nope.

C++ is an elective under ECE though.

I went through the whole ECE and CSE syllabus of WBUT. Google search "wbut cse syllabus"

I saw the VIT brochure, all points and all ^^

A

sammy_cool said:
I have interest in processor architecture/microprocessors, communication systems and as well as hacking, coding, programming. What should i choose?

u can go for ece ...cause u ll learn abt microprocessors and comm. systems, and do coding also....

Decided!...at any cost, i'll study CSE! \m/

I just wanna be a hardcore programmer!

A

comp@ddict said:
I don't think so. Not CSE nope.

C++ is an elective under ECE though.

C++ is first year syllabus where I come from

AcceleratorX said:
C++ is first year syllabus where I come from

Well, 1st year syllabus is same for all engineering courses if you didn't know

A

Yep, but C++ is not part of the first year syllabus in all universities (C is).

sammy_cool said:
Well, i have read the syllabus of both and found that "Encryption" and "data coding" is not included in CSE, whereas it is in ECE. I love these stuffs! But, then again, i have not that much interests in Satellite communication compared to computers!

Can i learn these topics separately if i take CSE?

Wait, what? I just studied those this sem, I'm in cse.

Afaik the difference between ece and cse is the communication engineering part(at least in wb), here ece students have to learn stuff like fm/am, telecommunication etc, cse students are more concerned with programming, ai, compiler designing, all cs related stuff.

I will say:
1. Want to become a proper software engineer, a black hat analyst, in IBM etc? Do cse, try to get a master degree from IIT.
2. Want to get a core government job, like through IES? Want to study vlsi? do ece.
3. Want to do research in fundamental electronics, vlsi etc, want to design processors, work in amd/intel(core development team) ? Do EE first, then get a master degree from IIT with microelectronics/vlsi and do a phd from abroad.

If you care to search wikipedia, you'll see that in abroad there is ee and cs, no special ece course as we are taught here. If you want to research in VLSI field go for ee.

If you go through some of the master processor designers in intel and amd or renaissance etc you would see most of them coming from an EE background.

If you read this page: Electrical engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
you'll see microelectronics, Telecommunications, Control engineering falling in EE, most foreign universities allow you to specialize in them.

However if you want to be a programmer then go for CSE, basic c++ that you read in ece will not help you with that, you need to learn some more serious stuff, like automata(extremely important), operating system, Artificial intelligence, cryptography, Computer architecture and engineering, web designing, all of these is included in cse syllabus(wb).

AcceleratorX said:
Yep, but C++ is not part of the first year syllabus in all universities (C is).

You are correct, c++ is there in 3-4th sem in most streams but c++ means nothing these days, I had studied it, the c++ that is taught to most streams are way too less, only after I studied java(and advanced java) I actually got a hold of OOP.

tkin said:
Wait, what? I just studied those this sem, I'm in cse.

Afaik the difference between ece and cse is the communication engineering part(at least in wb), here ece students have to learn stuff like fm/am, telecommunication etc, cse students are more concerned with programming, ai, compiler designing, all cs related stuff.

I will say:
1. Want to become a proper software engineer, a black hat analyst, in IBM etc? Do cse, try to get a master degree from IIT.
2. Want to get a core government job, like through IES? Want to study vlsi? do ece.
3. Want to do research in fundamental electronics, vlsi etc, want to design processors, work in amd/intel(core development team) ? Do EE first, then get a master degree from IIT with microelectronics/vlsi and do a phd from abroad.

If you care to search wikipedia, you'll see that in abroad there is ee and cs, no special ece course as we are taught here. If you want to research in VLSI field go for ee.

If you go through some of the master processor designers in intel and amd or renaissance etc you would see most of them coming from an EE background.

If you read this page: Electrical engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
you'll see microelectronics, Telecommunications, Control engineering falling in EE, most foreign universities allow you to specialize in them.

However if you want to be a programmer then go for CSE, basic c++ that you read in ece will not help you with that, you need to learn some more serious stuff, like automata(extremely important), operating system, Artificial intelligence, cryptography, Computer architecture and engineering, web designing, all of these is included in cse syllabus(wb).

You are correct, c++ is there in 3-4th sem in most streams but c++ means nothing these days, I had studied it, the c++ that is taught to most streams are way too less, only after I studied java(and advanced java) I actually got a hold of OOP.

now, that's exactly what i wanna know! Thanks a lot buddy...i'll go with number 1 option...maybe in the next life i'll opt for number 3!

eh?

sammy_cool said:
now, that's exactly what i wanna know! Thanks a lot buddy...i'll go with number 1 option...maybe in the next life i'll opt for number 3! eh?

There is still a chance, do cse now, do mtech with embedded systems, iits offer embedded system specialization: Department of Computer Science and Engineering, IIT Delhi

And here's what embedded system stands for: Embedded system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can work in hardware field if you want to, later you can do a phd from abroad.

PS: If you specialize and work with real time os/distributed systems you can develop supercomputers

tkin said:
There is still a chance, do cse now, do mtech with embedded systems, iits offer embedded system specialization: Department of Computer Science and Engineering, IIT Delhi

And here's what embedded system stands for: Embedded system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can work in hardware field if you want to, later you can do a phd from abroad.

PS: If you specialize and work with real time os/distributed systems you can develop supercomputers

wait wait slow down bud! I've not thought that far! First i wanna get into college with CSE!

sammy_cool said:
wait wait slow down bud! I've not thought that far! First i wanna get into college with CSE!

Well, I am trying to cheer you up, since you want to work in hw field and having the wrong impression that you can't.

tkin said:
Well, I am trying to cheer you up, since you want to work in hw field and having the wrong impression that you can't.

its true that i'm confused now! bt regarding which college i might get!!! i'm sure that i'll choose CSE, but if i don't get CSE in Kolkata, then i'll opt for Applied Electronics & Instrumentation Engineering and repeat WBJEE nxt year :???:

what do u think?

sammy_cool said:
its true that i'm confused now! bt regarding which college i might get!!! i'm sure that i'll choose CSE, but if i don't get CSE in Kolkata, then i'll opt for Applied Electronics & Instrumentation Engineering and repeat WBJEE nxt year
what do u think?

Why repeat, most colleges allow students to change streams(heritage, techno india confirmed), you just have to get very good marks in first year and come in top 5 in the college, since seats are limited students are allowed to change streams on marks basis, my friend changed to ece after first year, I also had a chance, but I stuck with CSE.

Can we share phone numbers? I want to know more about this and since you have firsthand experience in this matter, i need more info!

sammy_cool said:
Can we share phone numbers? I want to know more about this and since you have firsthand experience in this matter, i need more info!

YGPM.

Well howz the scope of Btech in IT? :???:

I am thinking of choosing that field... and will IT in a good college will be a better option than cse in a not so good college?

And what about future prospects with IT field? Can I do Mtech or such?? :!:

soumo27 said:
Well howz the scope of Btech in IT? I am thinking of choosing that field... and will IT in a good college will be a better option than cse in a not so good college?

And what about future prospects with IT field? Can I do Mtech or such??

I will honest , IT has almost 80% Similar syllabus , but CSE Students are preferred over IT in campus placements. So you should choose CSE over IT when you have both open.

But , taking IT in a better college would definitely be preferred over CSE from not so good a college. Remember this IT Students gets placed the fastest and most certainly , even though all the jobs are of the lowest package.

The future prospects of IT as almost as similar as CSE , there is such demand that even ECE , EE , and of course, CSE Students go into IT Companies. And i should also mention, people who say CSE gives the chane to work with Hardware and such , usually , almost everyone ends up in IT Sector .. for hardware , ECE students are preferred.

ANd as for M.Tech , i advice you to not think about that now , oncw you are in college , you will get to know more about it from friends , and then decide for yourself.

Okzz Thanks...that info.. was valuable....

R

Both are good but I will suggest you to take CSE as it has a wide scope than ECE...

Both are good but I will suggest you to take CSE as it has a wide scope than ECE...

Common mistake, both have equal scope. It depends how large your vision is, which in your case is limited to CSE only.

rajeevk said:
Both are good but I will suggest you to take CSE as it has a wide scope than ECE...

The complete opposite of what is generally believed. ECE Students have the opportunity to go to GOverment Electrical jobs , Electronics , as well as Programming sector. Many of today;s programmers are Engineers in ECE.

A

Many programmers are also mathematicians, physicists, diploma holders. That doesn't really mean anything.

There are CSE graduates programming rocket propulsion control systems for NASA too.

Between these two branches," scope" is roughly the same. Everyone needs computers, and everyone needs electronics too.

G

Thanks sammy_cool for posting this thread. I was plunged with the same question. It helped me a lot and now I know that ECE is what suits be the best.

What still a question hovering over my mind, What is the difference between Electronics & Communication Engg and Electronics & Telecommunication Engg??
I believe in ECE where AM/FM, Radar system are included, the same is not true for ETE. ETE is strictly for Telephones i.e mobile etc. Am I right??

Check out the WBUT syllabus (ETE is there in WBUT?) i checked and compared ECE and CSE syllabus and it helped me a lot!

G

well..got to know some basic difference between the two..thanks!!

A

ECE=ETE for all practical purposes. There is no difference - it's just two names for the same course.

AcceleratorX said:
ECE=ETE for all practical purposes. There is no difference - it's just two names for the same course.

The difference varies from University to University.

soumo27 said:
Well howz the scope of Btech in IT? I am thinking of choosing that field... and will IT in a good college will be a better option than cse in a not so good college?

The difference between two has become a blurred line. CSE students, in the old times were taught exciting stuff like language and compiler design and IT students were taught to use that stuff (apply it). I chose CSE thinking I'll be doing the same but all I've been doing for last two years is learning this language or that.

ECE=ETE for all practical purposes. There is no difference - it's just two names for the same course.

Hmm

ECE - Electronics and Communication

EEE - Electrical and Electronics

You mean to say, Electrical and Communication are the same thing?

<MEGALOL>

comp@ddict said:
Hmm

ECE - Electronics and Communication

EEE - Electrical and Electronics

You mean to say, Electrical and Communication are the same thing?

<MEGALOL>

he said *ETE* not *EEE* !

A megalol from me to you!

P

Anyone working in Embedded systems or Chip design ?

Like to hear from Job profiles for ECE students.

Since i am not from IT filed, I can't comment about job prospects and future in IT. But I am certain about one thing for sure, most of the jobs in IT is here as of low cost model of IT firms( Thats why they don't pay much), once this advantage (and it will) erode, there will be a tectonic shift it IT industry. But inspite of that.. as of today- there are millions of job in IT!

IF you choose to take electronics, you may have to take some additional course to gain required skills to get in to electronics industry (embedded and vlsi, not mere programming jobs). Your initial few years will be tough (say 2-3 years after you get a job).. but after that period you can be assured of stability.

You should understand IT in india is labor intensive industry, whereas electronics is product based. Hence the requirement from industry point of view is very different for CS and ECE.

Got it!

Oh and one more thing I'd like to add. No rule forces you to take an IT job after doing CSE. I'm working on embedded projects and I found it as easy if not easier to work in embedded compared to my ECE peers. Remember CSE includes anything and everything computer related, and embedded systems are computers too (outside India stuff like Embedded and VLSI are part of standard course)! Problem is the syllabus varies from college to college. Before you start off, try and get hold of the syllabus copy from the college you wish to study in. CSE and IT are identical in many colleges but some have differences. Same goes for ECE vs ETE.

And for actually making yourself workable, nothing colleges (atleast Indian colleges) teach is good enough. There is a reason Infosys has 6 months training for the people it recruits via mass recruitment (this is a privilege the mass recruitment based IT industry enjoys - any other field and you are expected to make yourself moderately job-ready before you even send the application

). I spent several days in avrfreaks.net to even be able to TOUCH a microcontroller. So be prepared to spend your summers going to crash courses (in the initial year or two) or doing internships (later years) if you wanna actually learn something, regardless of which branch of engineering you take whether CSE-family, ECE-family, Mech, Chem or any other random branch.

G

AcceleratorX said:
ECE=ETE for all practical purposes. There is no difference - it's just two names for the same course.

Is It?? Which means it would not matter practically..then why the hell do 'they' keep different name for the same thing..just to confuse!! :twisted:

MetalheadGautham said:
And for actually making yourself workable, nothing colleges (atleast Indian colleges) teach is good enough. There is a reason Infosys has 6 months training for the people it recruits via mass recruitment (this is a privilege the mass recruitment based IT industry enjoys - any other field and you are expected to make yourself moderately job-ready before you even send the application ). I spent several days in avrfreaks.net to even be able to TOUCH a microcontroller. So be prepared to spend your summers going to crash courses (in the initial year or two) or doing internships (later years) if you wanna actually learn something, regardless of which branch of engineering you take whether CSE-family, ECE-family, Mech, Chem or any other random branch.

Well, first of all..you provided some healthy information.
I'm just about to start my engg (Not admitted to a college yet). You told about crash course, internship..suppose I complete my 1st year in engg. Then for doing a crash course in the breaks whom should I approach. As I plan to do ECE, should I go to a electronics house (like service center of a particular brand or so) and approach them..
Kindly tell me in detail as am ill informed about all these.
Thanks in advance!!

gigyaster said:
Well, first of all..you provided some healthy information.
I'm just about to start my engg (Not admitted to a college yet). You told about crash course, internship..suppose I complete my 1st year in engg. Then for doing a crash course in the breaks whom should I approach. As I plan to do ECE, should I go to a electronics house (like service center of a particular brand or so) and approach them..
Kindly tell me in detail as am ill informed about all these.
Thanks in advance!!

You can approach to any big or small company (try for big PSU's such as BHEL,etc, or MNC as Airtel,etc), any reputed insitutions (so as to project under professors) by sending your (application + resume). But remember one thing, college brand matters a lot, or i should say 90%, rest your performance. However, "source" also plays a big role in getting training or interns. Because the big players won't agree if they see the applicant is from a private college, or a low grade collge/univ (sometimes even middle grade is rejected or i should say only "sometimes" they are selected). Although you can also do training from various pvt institutes, but they won't help much. If last option, do from a good one after searching.

P

@MetalheadGautham
Can you please tell how do a fresh ECE student enter embedded market ? Feel free to PM

G

dashing.sujay said:
You can approach to any big or small company (try for big PSU's such as BHEL,etc, or MNC as Airtel,etc), any reputed insitutions (so as to project under professors) by sending your (application + resume). But remember one thing, college brand matters a lot, or i should say 90%, rest your performance. However, "source" also plays a big role in getting training or interns. Because the big players won't agree if they see the applicant is from a private college, or a low grade collge/univ (sometimes even middle grade is rejected or i should say only "sometimes" they are selected). Although you can also do training from various pvt institutes, but they won't help much. If last option, do from a good one after searching.

got it!!!
But again, as u said application+resume, will it be fine to write up a resume by a student who has just completed a year in an engg college. According to my personal view point, resume is something you make to get a job after you have a degree. What a 1st year student will write in an resume, simply the score of 10th and 12th and at the most the marks he scored in first year of engg. (at least that what matters the most excluding other point in resume such as hobbies, skills etc..)
Writing up a application is fine.. the above is what I think, maybe m wrong..just clarify.

PraKs said:
@MetalheadGautham
Can you please tell how do a fresh ECE student enter embedded market ? Feel free to PM

Even I want to know that, though am not into engineering yet!!..Job doesn't matter to me..but to have the right skill and experience is what matters the most, degree can be obtained easily (seeing the way engg colleges are growing). Skills and experience can earn a living atleast!!

gigyaster said:
got it!!!
But again, as u said application+resume, will it be fine to write up a resume by a student who has just completed a year in an engg college. According to my personal view point, resume is something you make to get a job after you have a degree. What a 1st year student will write in an resume, simply the score of 10th and 12th and at the most the marks he scored in first year of engg. (at least that what matters the most excluding other point in resume such as hobbies, skills etc..)
Writing up a application is fine.. the above is what I think, maybe m wrong..just clarify.

I exactly meant what i wrote, i.e. you gotta write ur resume too. Because it will act as ur performance marksheet. As the semesters will go on, ur skills will increase in the form of your projects, trainings, interns. You just gotta "spice" up ur resume.

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Science Geek said:
As per my opinion CSE is bes option other than ECE/ETE !

Because CSE has more placements in good companies and also these days the computer students are getting more opportunities that any other students !

Well You may be wrong, I have seen IT companies taking 500 CSE/IT students coz they have tonnes of coding & programming work, They take them in bulk at cheapest possible rate & most work is of low quality

Incase of EEE/ECE, They take very limited people due to limited scope of Chip Design & Embedded.

Now decide you U like to work in gang of goats or work in a field where cream is

Check Infy's new announcement in TOI, They need some 15000 people in 3 months, Most freshers, They will dump 14000 of them into programming & testing.

Thanks everyone for your valuable suggestions! It helped me a lot!
I chose CSE in Pailan College of Management & Technology! (my wbjee/aieee rank was not good enough to grab better colleges)
thanks again and i hope we will continue discussion about CSE vs. ECE, so that many tech enthusiasts who wants to study engineering would be able to decide his/her choice of field.
And as far as "College Brand" goes, i think every pvt. college in kolkata are affiliated to WBUT, and so is the colleges of other states affiliated to their respective state Technical Univs, so, if a student performs good enough in his sems, then he is bound to get good jobs.

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Congrats & All the best for great career.

G

dashing.sujay said:
I exactly meant what i wrote, i.e. you gotta write ur resume too. Because it will act as ur performance marksheet. As the semesters will go on, ur skills will increase in the form of your projects, trainings, interns. You just gotta "spice" up ur resume.

'spice' it!!!
ok..got it!! Thanks for your suggestion!!

sammy_cool said:
And as far as "College Brand" goes, i think every pvt. college in kolkata are affiliated to WBUT, and so is the colleges of other states affiliated to their respective state Technical Univs, so, if a student performs good enough in his sems, then he is bound to get good jobs.

I have the same thought.

Best of luck to you!! Have a bright Career!!

go for nanotechnology

Dangerous Dave said:
go for nanotechnology

are you living under a rock? Show me a single college in India, where nanotech is offered in B.Tech curriculum!

^^IIT's ?? :???:

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Nanotechnology, contrary to popular opinion, has very little to do with electronics or computers despite all advances in electronics being dependent on it.

Nanotechnology is actually a physical chemistry course (mostly, with important applications in electronics) and most M.Sc. candidates in physics or chemistry would have a good understanding of it.

BTW, in IITs, Metallurgical engineering is very closely related to nanotechnology. No other B.Tech course will be giving any decent idea of nanotechnology.