Engineering from private ?

Hello everyone, I've just given my HS final exam and though I know what my passion is, I am finding it very hard to decide which path to choose. My first problem is my age.
My H.S exam went well.I expect star mark. But my problem is I am 20 and I've reached the age limit so I can't drop 1 year to prepare for JEE-main and I know I won't do well if I take jee this year as I haven't taken any preparation.
My dad says I should go to private institute but my friends say that if I do Btech from private institute then I'll get very poor job.Now, is it true that there's no future for people doing btech from private institutes ?

My second dilemma is which stream to choose ? I have deep passion for programming and computer hardware. So obviously I want to take CSE but there are too much uncertainties in that stream.People say mechanical is evergreen as there are always job available for mechanical engineers. I am good at physics and also in maths but I know it won't be easy, but I am willing to give my 100% and work hard if I take CSE but my fear is , after 4 years in CSE if I get a 15k job only.What should my backup plan be? will my btech be any useful ? I am also interested in game development (graphic programmer), so can I go for game development after btech ? what is the scope in India?

Thanks in advance

There are lots of confusions in your mind. First you have to set your mind for one particular course like if mechanical engineering is your area of interest then you must have to go for it private institute no matter. Follow your interest always.

If you want an evergreen job, become a property commission agent

Do you have any other option than joining a private college?

Please, decide you'r branch yourself. Each branch has career opportunities. World is not running by itself.

donnawhite said:
There are lots of confusions in your mind. First you have to set your mind for one particular course like if mechanical engineering is your area of interest then you must have to go for it private institute no matter. Follow your interest always.

Mechanical is not my field of interest, I am just considering it as my parents and my uncle who is an engineer think it is a more practical decision to go for mechanical as everyone these days is going for CSE.I am interested in programming.

harshilsharma63 said:
If you want an evergreen job, become a property commission agent
Do you have any other option than joining a private college?

Hehe

, sorry my post was a little scrambled. No, I don't think I have.But I don't know if it is myth or not, but people say what matters most is from which institute you graduate.
k, suppose I do btech from average private institute, can I get good job like students who do btech from NITs or something,if I work really hard on my programming skills ?

harshilsharma63 said:
Please, decide you'r branch yourself.

I am still deciding the branch.I am going through the syllabus of some institutes.I don't care much about the syllabus is as long as I get to learn hardcore programming.

and thanks for your reply guys.

W

suppose I do btech from average private institute, can I get good job like students who do btech from NITs or something,if I work really hard on my programming skills ?

i doubt it.if you are capable of becoming such a good programmer then you would have got a seat in NITs in the first place.

whitestar_999 said:
i doubt it.if you are capable of becoming such a good programmer then you would have got a seat in NITs in the first place.

Thanks for your reply.
k.So, what kind of job can I expect after doing btech in cse or ece and how much will one get paid after doing btech from private institute ?

btw, is syllabus for btech same or it varies from institute to institute ?

isenberg said:
Mechanical is not my field of interest, I am just considering it as my parents and my uncle who is an engineer think it is a more practical decision to go for mechanical as everyone these days is going for CSE.I am interested in programming.

Still I can hardly find mech students getting placed. Think like this, CS is made for placement if you can grab the opportunity.

whitestar_999 said:
i doubt it.if you are capable of becoming such a good programmer then you would have got a seat in NITs in the first place.

Really? When did they start asking programming in engg entrances? Programming has hardly got to do with clearing PCM based entrances.
I'll give you the example from our forum only, and the probably the best example, nbaztec, best coder I ever saw in my life, and I truly hail him. And ironically, he is also from a private college, but I swear, he's better then NIT's so called "toppers". Just proper dedication is enough.

isenberg said:
So, what kind of job can I expect after doing btech in cse or ece and how much will one get paid after doing btech from private institute ?

btw, is syllabus for btech same or it varies from institute to institute ?

Pay cheque depends upon college, branch and your talent, nothing else.

Syllabus across India is almost same. Just get the best college possible, or you'll regret wasting your talent. Good luck

isenberg said:
Hello everyone, I've just given my HS final exam and though I know what my passion is, I am finding it very hard to decide which path to choose. My first problem is my age.
My H.S exam went well.I expect star mark. But my problem is I am 20 and I've reached the age limit so I can't drop 1 year to prepare for JEE-main and I know I won't do well if I take jee this year as I haven't taken any preparation.
My dad says I should go to private institute but my friends say that if I do Btech from private institute then I'll get very poor job.Now, is it true that there's no future for people doing btech from private institutes ?

My second dilemma is which stream to choose ? I have deep passion for programming and computer hardware. So obviously I want to take CSE but there are too much uncertainties in that stream.People say mechanical is evergreen as there are always job available for mechanical engineers. I am good at physics and also in maths but I know it won't be easy, but I am willing to give my 100% and work hard if I take CSE but my fear is , after 4 years in CSE if I get a 15k job only.What should my backup plan be? will my btech be any useful ? I am also interested in game development (graphic programmer), so can I go for game development after btech ? what is the scope in India?

Thanks in advance

If you are looking at a 70K per month job just after 4 years of B.Tech from a private engineering college, then i recommend you to get a hold of reality soon....this chance is rare and is only possible if the applicant is someone who has extraoridnary skills to jump off the page. Backup plans are shown in movies....as u said , u're 20 already, how much time do you think you can afford in ur carrer to roll back that B.Tech of yours to successfully trigger that "backup" plan in today's competitive scenario? Decide a branch, pass your B tech honestly with a reasonably good GPA and skills in some specific industry-friendly area, if there is not another recession, you wont find the world too difficult to find a job.

Majority of enginners in India are now from pvt engg colleges, i'm from a pvt engg college, and i have a paycheck higher than many of my neighbouring govt college guys, nothing to take vanity of, its a fact, there are ample chances you'll get to shine and rise up....look for them and use them. As sujoy said, it dint have to be a good programmer to get chance in NIT or IIT, understanding of basic science and logic building will pay-off in the long run.

W

Really? When did they start asking programming in engg entrances? Programming has hardly got to do with clearing PCM based entrances.
I'll give you the example from our forum only, and the probably the best example, nbaztec, best coder I ever saw in my life, and I truly hail him. And ironically, he is also from a private college, but I swear, he's better then NIT's so called "toppers". Just proper dedication is enough.

i agree but exceptions are there in every field & i was talking about majority.one of the reason for ever increasing "unemployed engineers" is emergence of many dime-a dozen so called engineering colleges & though some pvt engineering colleges are good most are not compared to NITs(but not all govt engg colleges).

Thanks sam_738844and dashing.sujay

I went through the syllabus of btech(CSE), there's a hell of a lot to learn

. I am really interested in taking CSE.
Can you guys please post the name of some good private institutes (preferably Bangalore) I should look up where good company come for campus recruitment and which has good CS faculty also?

whitestar_999 said:
i agree but exceptions are there in every field & i was talking about majority.one of the reason for ever increasing "unemployed engineers" is emergence of many dime-a dozen so called engineering colleges & though some pvt engineering colleges are good most are not compared to NITs(but not all govt engg colleges).

It's not about exceptions sire, but about your passion regarding something. There's absolute no linkage between programming and engg entrances. An average student with good mathematical approach can do wonders in programming.

Regarding private colleges, business model of colleges is to be blamed, thus corroding the students.
PS: ladke bhi kaun se dudh ke dhule hote hain

isenberg said:
Thanks sam_738844and dashing.sujay
I went through the syllabus of btech(CSE), there's a hell of a lot to learn . I am really interested in taking CSE.
Can you guys please post the name of some good private institutes (preferably Bangalore) I should look up where good company come for campus recruitment and which has good CS faculty also?

PESIT, RV, Dayanand Sagar, Ramaiyaah (of what I know).

And don't expect too much from college faculties, you are your best teacher

dashing.sujay said:
PESIT, RV, Dayanand Sagar, Ramaiyaah (of what I know).

Alright, thanks

. Will look them up.

dashing.sujay said:
And don't expect too much from college faculties, you are your best teacher

I know, but for me faculty is more important then any other thing in a college.It is very sad that from my school days, I didn't get many good computer faculties.They were unenthusiastic and boring.In class XII, I was very lucky to get a good programming teacher but the teacher who taught networking and Internet made me sick.It even made me hate that portion not because of the topic itself but for the fact that whenever I opened the book I was reminded of the teacher.So, that is why I am looking for college with good faculties even if there is no placement in the college (i hope that's not the case though

) and the campus infrastructure is not that good.

update : btw, not jumping from my decision but just considering the option.
I went through the syllabus of Bsc.(H) and Msc. also and Bsc. seems more easier considering the fact that there is no maths involved.It's not that I hate maths. I loved calculus,vector, 3D, matrices (determinants-not so much :razz:

) , linear programming etc. but I don't know what kind of maths will be there in btech, I mean I know there will be more of calculus, vector,probability and stuff but is it too hard ? plus first two semester I have to study chemistry also which I don't find much interesting (other then organic part of course ) . So, after doing Bsc+Msc. , do I have the same kind of options and scope for further study and job as Btech ?

Well, faculties are like luck, you may find good, you may not. Plus, the faculty which the other person likes, you may dislike. So, don't focus on it, as you really can't do anything about it. Plus the colleges I mentioned are not like you'll get the option to choose from them, until you get very good rank.

B.Tech. is any day better than BSc+MSc. Your "knowledge" is more versatile, and you save one precious year.
The maths is not at all tough, most of it is calculus though, but easier than 12th. Plus, studying mathematics will help you in programming front.

dashing.sujay said:
Well, faculties are like luck, you may find good, you may not. Plus, the faculty which the other person likes, you may dislike. So, don't focus on it, as you really can't do anything about it. Plus the colleges I mentioned are not like you'll get the option to choose from them, until you get very good rank.

B.Tech. is any day better than BSc+MSc. Your "knowledge" is more versatile, and you save one precious year.
The maths is not at all tough, most of it is calculus though, but easier than 12th. Plus, studying mathematics will help you in programming front.

okay, thanks. I think I feel more confident on my decision now

.. will do some more research though, If anyone else thinks that I should reconsider my decision then do post even if i is not so inviting and utopian :razz:

. I wanna make sure that I am taking the right decision so that after taking btech I don't regret taking it and so that I can stay motivated on my goal .

If anyone else knows other good private colleges even outside Bangalore then please do post.

thanks

Crack AIEEE (or whatever it is now), if you can. Rest come after it.

Ya, I am giving JEE-Main, but as I have said, I have no preparation at all.So, that is why I am thinking about private institutes.

W

An average student with good mathematical approach can do wonders in programming

An average student with good mathematical approach & hard work can also secure a decent rank in AIEEE.

whitestar_999 said:
An average student with good mathematical approach & hard work can also secure a decent rank in AIEEE.

lol, you are right

. Maybe I am a below average student then.My problem is my age, I lost some years as I went off track in school life, but I don't have any regret as it taught me the ultimate lesson of my life.After all it is our mistakes that make us who we are.
But seriously, I am willing to work hard, but for that I have to drop 1 year and by then I'll become an uncle ji :razz:

. This year, I haven't taken any couching or anything as my whole concentration was on board exam as this year 40% of jee main (AIEEE) will be taken from board final and 60% from entrance exam itself.So, board exam became important after this new joint entrance exam. My target was to get at least 80%. So I gave all my concentration and effort on that.Now, practically thinking, it is impossible to crack JEE-Main now as the exam is on 7th April.But I will still give as 40% will be taken from board final.But if I don't drop I year my choice is private institution

W

you still have 2 weeks.if you are clear about concepts then focus on selected areas in physics,chemistry & maths to maximize your marks.after all it is a competition so there is no absolute marks scale.maybe even 40-50% score this year prove good enough to get a decent rank.

k will do that, thank

T

whitestar_999 said:
An average student with good mathematical approach & hard work can also secure a decent rank in AIEEE.

I would disagree. For an average student, it is very difficult to "memorize" gazillions of chemical reactions especially for those who have one-sided extreme passion for computers or programming in general. I don't understand the noise made by NITs and IITs. Sure, they're pretty good institutions. But remember they are not the only ones honing the best talent. Such an ego-istic "IIT and NITs are the best - everything else is a waste" attitude shown by IITs and NITs would definitely hamper the progress of the nation. Plus nowadays even the "quota" matters for admissions.

Nice to know that conquerer.
Btw, how would u rank these private institutes purely on the basis of CSE dept. and placement (not infrastructure) :

Amity (Noida)
Nirma
Muffakham Jah College (Hyderabad)
Amrita(Bangalore)
CBIT
RVCE
M.S. Ramaiah
VIT
BIT, Mesra
SRM

From what I know I think
BIT,Mesra>VIT>RVCE>Nirma>Ramaiah>Amrita>SRM>Muffakham Jah>CBIT>Amity(Only fear is that it is not AICTE approved)
What do you guys think ?

Another question I was asking myself was that should I care about the placement,faculty and infrastructure at all ? I mean, after doing some research I realized that if I do btech from private college then after BITS, VIT and Manipal and some other colleges rest of them are just as bad as any C class college. So, if my aim is to do Mtech after btech then should I care about getting placed and therefore the institute and the faculty because after all it is my own effort that counts.So, if I am clear about doing further study and seriously preparing for GATE then should I prefer one private college to another just because one has got shinny building and can get me placed in good private company even if they throw me out after a few month ?

T

Seriously, for a branch like CSE, infrastructure is never a concern. All you need to learn and explore is a good teacher and a computer. Students from CORE branches like Mechanical/Civil/Electronics have to depend on college lab's infrastructure for all their practical work and learning. And as per AICTE norms, any AICTE approved college has adequate labs even if they are not "posh" or may not have high end machines. For all purposes, any AICTE approved college would be fine for CSE/IT students.
A better faculty can motivate you to achieve greater heights, but just in case you don't have good teachers you can always supplement your learning with the Internet. Universities like Harvard and MIT offer free lectures.
If its your forte, then those "stamps" of college won't matter in the long run - as long as you are good in what you do.

The Conqueror said:
Seriously, for a branch like CSE, infrastructure is never a concern. All you need to learn and explore is a good teacher and a computer. Students from CORE branches like Mechanical/Civil/Electronics have to depend on college lab's infrastructure for all their practical work and learning. And as per AICTE norms, any AICTE approved college has adequate labs even if they are not "posh" or may not have high end machines. For all purposes, any AICTE approved college would be fine for CSE/IT students.
A better faculty can motivate you to achieve greater heights, but just in case you don't have good teachers you can always supplement your learning with the Internet. Universities like Harvard and MIT offer free lectures.
If its your forte, then those "stamps" of college won't matter in the long run - as long as you are good in what you do.

Well said, my thought also.

T

First of all , you have to be very good in English. So start reading novels and improve your vocabulary. English is everywhere & once you get a hold of it, then a lot has been done already. Especially in computer science, everything is in English. Knowing this language deep will help you grasp the meaning of the concepts very fast. Btech's first year is hardly about programming (although some colleges have started throwing up language courses right at the first semester). It's very important to have a good start. College does matter when it comes to campus placements. Companies why wouldn't prefer good colleges to hire their future employees. So, do some hard studying and try to get a good college. A student of a private engineering can excel only if he/she has extraordinary or excellent skills.

The Conqueror said:
I would disagree. For an average student, it is very difficult to "memorize" gazillions of chemical reactions especially for those who have one-sided extreme passion for computers or programming in general. I don't understand the noise made by NITs and IITs. Sure, they're pretty good institutions. But remember they are not the only ones honing the best talent. Such an ego-istic "IIT and NITs are the best - everything else is a waste" attitude shown by IITs and NITs would definitely hamper the progress of the nation. Plus nowadays even the "quota" matters for admissions.

Agreed.All that matters for admission in government college is the "quota". I don't know why isn't this being abolished.

A

whitestar_999 said:
i doubt it.if you are capable of becoming such a good programmer then you would have got a seat in NITs in the first place.

I hope you're trolling here, because some of the best coders the world over have had a rudimentary education at best.

AcceleratorX said:
I hope you're trolling here, because some of the best coders the world over have had a rudimentary education at best.

Well, it's just his idea and I do think he is right. An extraordinary student can become good at everything hi puts his mind in. But that no. is very low.I was talking about average student. But it is nice to hear that average student can become good coder

, cuz I am willing to work my ass of learning coding

G

isenberg said:
Nice to know that conquerer.
Btw, how would u rank these private institutes purely on the basis of CSE dept. and placement (not infrastructure) :

Amity (Noida)
Nirma
Muffakham Jah College (Hyderabad)
Amrita(Bangalore)
CBIT
RVCE
M.S. Ramaiah
VIT
BIT, Mesra
SRM

From what I know I think
BIT,Mesra>VIT>RVCE>Nirma>Ramaiah>Amrita>SRM>Muffakham Jah>CBIT>Amity(Only fear is that it is not AICTE approved)
What do you guys think ?

Another question I was asking myself was that should I care about the placement,faculty and infrastructure at all ? I mean, after doing some research I realized that if I do btech from private college then after BITS, VIT and Manipal and some other colleges rest of them are just as bad as any C class college. So, if my aim is to do Mtech after btech then should I care about getting placed and therefore the institute and the faculty because after all it is my own effort that counts.So, if I am clear about doing further study and seriously preparing for GATE then should I prefer one private college to another just because one has got shinny building and can get me placed in good private company even if they throw me out after a few month ?

I am CBIT alumni..I will rank it close to RVCE. CSE is good but faculty is not so great.But if you
are intrested in engineering and willing to learn independently , its one of the best colleges in AP.

But Mgmt quota is costly.Today they sell mgmt quota around 20Lk or more(CS).

isenberg said:
Well, it's just his idea and I do think he is right. An extraordinary student can become good at everything hi puts his mind in. But that no. is very low.I was talking about average student. But it is nice to hear that average student can become good coder , cuz I am willing to work my ass of learning coding

let me tell you what i have noticed my whole life..
though i still have no professional experience unlike many of the members here, but what i have seen is that all those toppers, scholars, though they get a good start due to their academic achievements, in real life, most of them ends up being puppets, having a good income, but almost average working skills and hardly do anything different..
And the average students or "backbenchers", as we are called, what i have seen are the creative people, who might not get a good start, but most of us have end up being more productive and having much higher hands-on experience in real life, and if you see the history, most of the greatest legends were just average students in schools/colleges, and even today some of the greatest coders/hackers are just those having an average academic history...
From what i have learned is that most of those scholars are'nt willing to take risks in their life, they just want to go with the flow, but those who are creative in minds, are rebellious in nature and end up doing something different, and that's called innovation...
In the end, if you know what you want to do, you can end up at much higher and respectable position even if you are average in studies... :razz:

W

and if you see the history, most of the greatest legends were just average students in schools/colleges, and even today some of the greatest coders/hackers are just those having an average academic history...

no offence but i am tired of hearing this.

Bill Gates---Harvard
Steve Jobs---Reed College(only school in the United States to have a nuclear reactor operated entirely by undergraduates)
Larry Ellison---University of Illinois
Linus Torvalds---University of Helsinki
Larry Page---University of Michigan followed by Stanford
Sergey Brin---University of Maryland followed by Stanford

don't compare exceptions to norm or suggest that "legends" started out as "average/backbenchers".a genius does not born in vacuum & it is well established that a person with high intelligence in one field still possess more than above average intelligence in similar fields.a person who is a natural good programmer possess more than enough skill to master conventional science subjects like maths,physics,chemistry with hard work to get a good/decent rank in competitions like AIEEE though vice-versa may not be true(good in maths/physics/chemistry but average in programming).of course an average student with a bit of natural talent in programming too can become a good coder/programmer with hard work but that is more of an exception rather than norm.anyway i am sure many will not agree with my view so let the real world be the judge here & until i see at least 5-6 persons from xyz no name private college in which you can get admission by paying $$ innovating/creating something competing with the likes of above mentioned people i will continue with this view point of mine.

whitestar_999 said:
no offence but i am tired of hearing this.

don't compare exceptions to norm or suggest that "legends" started out as "average/backbenchers".a genius does not born in vacuum & it is well established that a person with high intelligence in one field still possess more than above average intelligence in similar fields.a person who is a natural good programmer possess more than enough skill to master conventional science subjects like maths,physics,chemistry with hard work to get a good/decent rank in competitions like AIEEE though vice-versa may not be true(good in maths/physics/chemistry but average in programming).of course an average student with a bit of natural talent in programming too can become a good coder/programmer with hard work but that is more of an exception rather than norm.anyway i am sure many will not agree with my view so let the real world be the judge here & until i see at least 5-6 persons from xyz no name private college in which you can get admission by paying $$ innovating/creating something competing with the likes of above mentioned people i will continue with this view point of mine.

i think bill gates and other were "average" in their college, not the scholars, mark zuckerberg started to hack when he was 11, so he was determined from an early age, our own indian Sunny Vaghela, 23, one of the topmost indian hacker, was average academically, Neither i have heard any academic achievement for ankit fadia..
APJ abdul kalam admitted he was just average student in school, now look at him..
and if these are too big names for you, near my college, a guy who used to score 50-60% (average i suppose) is now placed @ 50lacs package, why, coz he developed some world's fastest Shortest path search algorithm (from Galgotia i suppose)...
One friend of mine is in DTU, google and microsoft came there and offered avg of 17lacs package, and those who bagged them, guess what, most of them were ~70%(avg for their college)...
I can give you numerous more examples of just the people <25yrs of age, average and doing much better, i am not saying that the toppers are bad and average students are good, it depends on what person thinks and how much passion he has for what he wants to do, it's just what i found is that the average students have more passion in what they want to do, and they dare to think different, which make them succeed in a way they want.. But i think you are more experienced than i am, so i might be wrong, i am just describing what i have seen till now..

Geniuses are born, not made. Entrepreneurs and geniuses are two different things. You can't compare APJ Abdul Kalam and Bill Gates. Gates was not a genius,not even Zuckerberg; he just got an idea which got too much popular, that's it. Nothing innovative.

W

^^we are not talking about geniuses because compared to geniuses like Newton(father of classical mechanics),Einstein & such there is no one in field of computer science.entire computer hardware & its basic are based on laws of physics & chemistry by such geniuses.the table i gave represent persons with talent & innovation along with entrepreneurship skills which shaped the world of technology as we know it now.

he just got an idea which got too much popular

this is exactly what innovation is.

@ratul,you totally missed my point so let me make it clear to you.
the point i am making:an average student in IIT/top NIT>>an average student in xyz pvt college(with exceptions)
the point i am not making:an average student in IIT/top NIT/top tier university can never be a good coder/achiever.

as for ankit fadia & Sunny Vaghela you seems to be just another one among thousands being taken by blitzkrieg advertising.read these to get some perspective & i know you probably won't believe it but use some insight & think for a moment.who is the real deal:
1.a hacker identity unknown selling latest java exploit in black market for $10000 a piece/participating in a public tournament like pwn2own either himself(if not afraid for his security) or through a human proxy wining $60000 prize money for breaking chrome sandbox protection in less than a minute.
2.someone claiming helping cia/nsa/cbi/(insert any 3 letter agency) on front page of a newspaper & making claims portraying themselves as legends but outside India on serious computer security sites their names don't even ring a bell.
Charlatan Watch List:
Errata - Charlatans

a real deal hacker will either remain unknown or will be working in a security firm after spending some time in jail for a crime which made front page news on reputable/established international papers/sites.anyone other than these claiming to be a top hacker is nothing but a con.

this is exactly what innovation is.

Not always. Here, Zuckerberg was creative, not innovative.

And we had great geniuses in CS field also, namely Charles Babbage, Ada lovelace, etc, and comparing them to newton and likes is not fair tbh.

W

genius is not absolute but relative term hence i used the example of Newton,Einstein as benchmark.according to this standard a genius is someone who establishes/creates a field not thought of before & which work as foundation for others to build upon.though genius i don't consider Charles Babbage as genius of computer field because he was basically a mathematician & mechanical engineer & used his knowledge from these fields to think of a mechanical device to solve algorithms.see even the origin of computer is from maths & mechanics which is why there will probably be no genius in CS.whether quantum computers or artificial intelligence all these have roots in physics,chemistry & biology & only based on advances in these fields these concepts will become reality.

whitestar_999 said:
^^we are not talking about geniuses because compared to geniuses like Newton(father of classical mechanics),Einstein & such there is no one in field of computer science.entire computer hardware & its basic are based on laws of physics & chemistry by such geniuses.the table i gave represent persons with talent & innovation along with entrepreneurship skills which shaped the world of technology as we know it now.

this is exactly what innovation is.

@ratul,you totally missed my point so let me make it clear to you.
the point i am making:an average student in IIT/top NIT>>an average student in xyz pvt college(with exceptions)
the point i am not making:an average student in IIT/top NIT/top tier university can never be a good coder/achiever.

as for ankit fadia & Sunny Vaghela you seems to be just another one among thousands being taken by blitzkrieg advertising.read these to get some perspective & i know you probably won't believe it but use some insight & think for a moment.who is the real deal:
1.a hacker identity unknown selling latest java exploit in black market for $10000 a piece/participating in a public tournament like pwn2own either himself(if not afraid for his security) or through a human proxy wining $60000 prize money for breaking chrome sandbox protection in less than a minute.
2.someone claiming helping cia/nsa/cbi/(insert any 3 letter agency) on front page of a newspaper & making claims portraying themselves as legends but outside India on serious computer security sites their names don't even ring a bell.
Charlatan Watch List:
Errata - Charlatans

a real deal hacker will either remain unknown or will be working in a security firm after spending some time in jail for a crime which made front page news on reputable/established international papers/sites.anyone other than these claiming to be a top hacker is nothing but a con.

ok, i got your point, sorry i took it the wrong way..

and on the point of hackers, the motive is what matters the most, even i don't consider ankit fadia to be a hacker, but i do respect sunny vaghela, they chose to use their work to become popular and monetize it, some hackers do remain underground as you say, but it's what they chose to be, point is that people like ankit or sunny still has much more security related knowledge and experience than most of us here, point is that you should be good in what you want to do, and zuckerberg was definitely a genius, coz i can't see myself neither breaking into harvard network and crashing the whole network in 3-4hrs by diverting the whole traffic on facemash.com through their network, nor i am capable enough to design something like facebook in a month, and most of us would'nt be able to do that...

(and i know what facebook looked like back then.

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i understand.

also not to criticize/point out shortcomings but rest assured if you know online where to hang & with whom to hang(easier said than done) & have the basic knowledge(assembly language/bit of reverse engineering/network protocols/windows & linux server layouts & common web languages/protocols) then you can gain more knowledge than likes of ankit fadia & sunny vaghela in a matter of few weeks.currently i don't know a thing about any web language(html,php etc) but i just spend ~10 min reading about XSS & already have a basic idea about what it does & that is the usual level of these so called publicity hackers.

whitestar_999 said:
i understand. also not to criticize/point out shortcomings but rest assured if you know online where to hang & with whom to hang(easier said than done) & have the basic knowledge(assembly language/bit of reverse engineering/network protocols/windows & linux server layouts & common web languages/protocols) then you can gain more knowledge than likes of ankit fadia & sunny vaghela in a matter of few weeks.currently i don't know a thing about any web language(html,php etc) but i just spend ~10 min reading about XSS & already have a basic idea about what it does & that is the usual level of these so called publicity hackers.

and that's the problem for me, these days, i am at home most of the time (final sem, no college

), yet instead of learning something meaningful and experimenting in kali linux, most of my time is spent on youtube, fb and here...

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@whitestar : are you trying to say most of the students studying in so-called "average" engineering colleges are losers? Given the population of India, I highly doubt if all the "great minds" can be accommodated in IITs or NITs.

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^^what is it with you @conqueror?where did i say that average=loser?just because 4>3 doesn't mean 3=0.

the point i am making:an average student in IIT/top NIT>>an average student in xyz pvt college(with exceptions)

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Pls don't bring in Ankit fadia and sunny waghale as genius

The best way to describe them- Good artists copy, great artists steal.

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I have a question if I do btech from cs branch from private college in kanpur like kanpur institute of technology (kit) is there any problem to get job after completing btech

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Not good chances of campus placement if engineering is done from an average pvt engineering college.You have to work hard on your communication skills in English & learn industry relevant courses to clear a job interview at some good IT company.