Enquiry · DIGIT-ARC

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')

Ans: Purpose is buliding "solaris"........basically i would play every game there is mainly bf3 crysis dirt3 arma 3 fifa farcry also i would be using this rig for softwares like catia, autocad,photoshop,coreldraw,autodesk maya.....designing softwares that i may come up in the future also will be using this as a platform to record my guitar stuffs and mixing them using softwares like audacity reaper pro tools guitar rig and amp emultion softwares(ex-guitar fx)....

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans:55k (can extend 5k more)....

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans:will overclock a lot but in time

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans:windows 7 64bit might try hackintosh

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans:1tb

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans:21.5 for now but in the near future would be looking into multiple monitors.....would 21.5 be a good choice in that regard?

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: speakers

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: in 3-4 days

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans:assembler ....whats the difference ?? :/

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: I will be buying from md computers kolkata actually i have made an advance of 36k to them

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: i am confused between fx8150 vs i52500k ........also there are some applications that require an i7 chip...amd says fx 8150 is more than i7 (thats how i got the impression) is it my mistake??

i am looking for a good gpu with which i can crossfire/sli and later quad cs/sli....for now i can compromise on the mobo i would be investing another 20-25k in 3-4 months...then again the same in 3-4 months and will keep on updating...so far i have chosen the SAPPHIRE GRAPHIC CARD HD 7950 VAPOR-X OC WITH BOOST......is it a good option or should i go with nvidia or some other variant of amd........also i would be using multi monitors very soon........for now i need the base of the rig.....from which i would build my empire..........i have no problems if it is amd based or intel based....

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Intel Core i5 3570K - Rs 13000
Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H - Rs 5500
Gskill Ripjaws 4GB - Rs 1600
GPU - GIGABYTE GV-N66TWF2-2GD (GTX 660Ti) - Rs 19300
HDD - Seagate 1TB - Rs 4300
SMPS - Corsair CX500V2 - Rs 3450
Cabinet - NZXT Beta EVO - Rs 2600
OPD - Samsung SH-S 223F - Rs 975
Monitor - AOC LED 22" (I-2251FWE) IPS panel (1920x1080 LED) - Rs 8200 ( The very best at this price)

Add a custom cooler and better motherboard (something like ASUS Maximus V GENE Motherboard - ASUS: Flipkart.com) in next investment

note: do not overclock now . do so after getting custom cooler.

About GPU performance, 7950 and 660ti perform almost equally so you dont need to worry.

draco21, you need to read a bit about the pairing of Intel CPU and Motherboard combination. You can't overclock with a H77 motherboard. Also all the Nvidia 600 series cards are more focused on gaming performance, they have very poor compute performance which is required for the stuffs OP has mentioned.
Godoftheforbiddenlight, please ignore the above config, it has some wrong combination.

Here is my suggestion:-

AMD FX-8350 (8 Core, 4GHz, unlocked Multiplier, 8MB L2 + 8MB L3 Cache) @ 12.5K
Asus M5A97 Motherboard @ 6.6K
Kingston HyperX Blue 8GB X 1 1600 MHz DDR3 @ 3.2K
Seagate BARRACUDA ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM HDD (Sata 6 Gbps, 64MB Cache) @5.9K
NZXT Source 210 Elite Cabinet @ 2.6K (Theitwares.com)
Corsair CX600 V2 PSU @ 4K
Sapphire HD 7870 2GB GDDR5 @ 16.7K
Logitech MK200 Keyboard & Mouse Combination @ 0.5K
Asus Black 24X DVD R/W @ 1K
AOC LED 22" (I-2251FWE) IPS panel (1920x1080 LED) @ 8.2K
APC 1.1 KVA UPS @ 4.7K

Total: 64.9K, a bit over your budget.

But as you're buying from Kolkata, for most of the components like CPU, Motherboard, SMPS, HDD etc,expect a lower price and everything might come within your budget. Check Vedant Computer in Ganesh Chandra Avenue as they are offering the best prices. They're well aware of our forum and you should mention it for getting a better deal. Regarding Graphics card, I have suggested you a card based on AMD's latest architecture, known as GCN (Graphics Core Next) which offers very superior performance in compute performance apart from great gaming performance. As a result, applications which support GPU acceleration, like Photoshop filters (couple of 'em), Maya, catia, will perform reasonably faster with GCN GPU.

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^^^ Get WD HDD, no segeate

May I know why? The Seagate HDD I have suggested, comes with 7200.14 Firmwire which is very stable and offers 2 years of warranty as the WD Blue and Green model.

^don't seagate HDD have high failure rates?

Well, so do the WD Green and Blue.

home pickup for WD..seagate means u gotta waste around 3 hours for the whole process..
apart from that..its all the same inside

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Cilus said:
Well, so do the WD Green and Blue.

Personal comment only

segate failed way more than WD

No more trusting with Segate..

WD or Toshiba

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you cant overclock with V GENE??

Why??I may be wrong....But please tell me..

Also i suggested a cheap mobo for now as he plans to have an upgrade later....(Of course no overclocking in this one)
Go WD black end of story....

^^
Buying a Rs 5500 motherboard now and again spending Rs 14500 on the same component later not good or wise.

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Hmm maybe you are right

ASUS P8H61-M LX Motherboard - ASUS: Flipkart.com

Maybe something like this would save your money...
Then you can go with 7950HD which would be better than 660ti or 7870HD.

The VRMs are a big problem of the P8H61 for a processor like an i5 3570K. H61 is good for the likes of G645 and i3 2120 (lower TDP processors) at the most.

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Dont you think it can hold one for 4-5 months??

He plans to upgrade anyways.....

draco21 said:
Hmm maybe you are right

ASUS P8H61-M LX Motherboard - ASUS: Flipkart.com

Maybe something like this would save your money...
Then you can go with 7950HD which would be better than 660ti or 7870HD.

Thread jacking...

On topic: H61 motherboard is bad chocie for 3570K.

draco21 said:
Dont you think it can hold one for 4-5 months??

He plans to upgrade anyways.....

Sadly, PC components doesn't work in that way.
Please refrain from giving this kind of suggestions.

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draco21 said:
About GPU performance, 7950 and 660ti perform almost equally so you dont need to worry.

r u sure about this...?

i would like to know the following-

1) processor....intel or amd(considering i will play games 55% of the time and work 45% of the time).....if intel then is i5 2500k better than i5 3570k ( 32nm and 22 nm ) if amd then is it a good option buying an fx 8150 with liquid cooling(package) or buying n fx 8350 and buying a cooler seperately............i would run my system 16-20 hours a day

2) as i mentioned earlier for my work i need to buy the machine now and i have around 60k now max i can arrange a 5k more....but i will have enough money to spend on this systm every 3-4 months

3)no one mentioned anything about the multi monitor thing....is a 21.5 good enough for the multi display setup or a gpu capable enough for that...

4)also will a cheap motherboard bottleneck the gpu or the cpu or anything

5)kingston hyperx blu is not available here in kolkata....have to order it through flipkart...is it that neccesary or should i go with gskills ripjaw or sniper or corsair dominator

things i missed in my initial enquiry.....i though of spending the 60-65 i have now mainly in the gpu section the rest i thought of compromising....in 3-4 months after this purchase i was thinking of getting a decent motherboard and after that the multiple monitor setup and the grooming part of the beast.....is it a good idea or something else would be appreciated

draco21 said:
About GPU performance, 7950 and 660ti perform almost equally so you dont need to worry.

Wrong.

draco21 said:
Monitor - AOC LED 22" (I-2251FWE) IPS panel (1920x1080 LED) - Rs 8200 ( The very best at this price)

Why are you suggesting crap?

SAPPHIRE GRAPHIC CARD HD 7950 VAPOR-X OC WITH BOOST........is it a good option or i should go further

For Processor, get FX-8350 and no to FX-8150. FX-8150 withy liquid cooling Kit comes around 18K and on that budget you can easily get a FX-8350 (12.5K) + Corsair H60 water cooler. FX-8350 is every way better than FX-8150, better thermal and lower power consumption, better IPC (instructions per clock Cycle) performance, more number of advanced instruction set support are only couple of 'em.

I think you shuld go yhe local computer market and verify the prices of the components I have suggested. There is a high chance that you'll get everything around 62 to 63K, just 2 to 3K higher than your budget. You can also opt for a 1 TB HDD like WD caviar Green 1 TB SATA III with 64 MB Cache @ 4.2K will save you around 1.7K.

Godoftheforbiddenlight said:
i would like to know the following-

1) processor....intel or amd(considering i will play games 55% of the time and work 45% of the time).....if intel then is i5 2500k better than i5 3570k ( 32nm and 22 nm ) if amd then is it a good option buying an fx 8150 with liquid cooling(package) or buying n fx 8350 and buying a cooler seperately............i would run my system 16-20 hours a day

things i missed in my initial enquiry.....i though of spending the 60-65 i have now mainly in the gpu section the rest i thought of compromising....in 3-4 months after this purchase i was thinking of getting a decent motherboard and after that the multiple monitor setup and the grooming part of the beast.....is it a good idea or something else would be appreciated

the 2000 and 3000 are series of intel core procs. 2000 is the 2nd gen, 3000 is the 3rd gen. the i5 3570k is better than the 2500k interms of higher clock and max TDP.

32nm and 22nm are manufacturing processes. they signify the gate width the fabrication process can produce. smaller gate width is better because it will mean smaller transistors, which means increase in transistor packing density, which means increase in the no. of transistors in the same area of the silicon die, which means increased computation power. it also means a reduce in the heat outpur of the proc.

so 22nm is better than 32nm.

the TDP is reduced in 3570k, so the stock cooler will be able to manage the heat dissipation in normal usage with stock clock, but incase you really will be running the rig 16-18hrs a day, with a lot of OC, then a custom cooler is must. maybe water cooling.

and for multimonitor setup for gaming, go for 7950 CF.

7950 can be OCed like hell and with the latest beta drivers offer a stiff competition to nvidia conterparts.

Processor fx 8350 12000
Motherboard Asus M5A97 Motherboard 6600
RAM G Skill Sniper 2x4Gb 3000
Hard Drive Seagate 1Tb 4050
Graphics Card Asus Direct CU2T HD7970 30500
Power Supply Corsair GS600 4400
Cabinet NZXT Guardian 921 4500
Optical Drive Asus 1050
Monitor Samsung S22B370H 8500
UPS APC 1.1 kva 4700
keyboard & mouse Logitech 700

this is what i have planned so far i increased my budget from 65 to 80k now.......i have planned to change to a good motherboard soon enough after this...............tell me if this is a good config or suggest alternatives amd or intel doesn't matter

this is what i have planned so far i increased my budget from 65 to 80k now.......i have planned to change to a good mother soon enough after this...............tell me if this is a good config or suggest alternatives amd or intel doesn't matter

lol wut?
and get a WD caviar blue 1 tb instead of caviar green

this is what i have planned so far i increased my budget from 65 to 80k now.......i have planned to change to a good mother soon enough after this...............tell me if this is a good config or suggest alternatives amd or intel doesn't matter

lol wut?
and get a WD caviar blue 1 tb instead of caviar green
also aget a 700 watt psu asuming that ur OCing

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Ok maybe 660ti is a better in gaming but that is it..

nvidia is only good for gaming not other works....

Also thanks d6bmg for the info on mobo(I am a noob and this forum is best place to learn) I thought only having similar socket type is enough but learnt there is more to it....

BTW Why is AOC monitors crap??

I would say just leave 7970 for now get a 7950 and add another later (For now invest on a better MOBO that supports CF)

i need a good system man :/ trying so hard to get this right......took a loan from my sister of 15k........lets hope i get what i want

P.s i am dreaming about this from a very small age.....waited a long time

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Why i would go with i5 = it gets more recommendation in many places( just google search) example *www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387293

They draw less power(am sure of it) and can be oc'ed to 5Ghz and its 4 cores are faster than the 8 cores AMD has (unnecessary for gaming)

Whatever you choose remember no overclocking without a good PSU and a good cooling system.

Good luck buddy

They draw less power(am sure of it) and can be oc'ed to 5Ghz and its 4 cores are faster than the 8 cores AMD has (unnecessary for gaming)

fx 8350 can be OC'ed to 8.79ghz(if you have nitrogen cooling)

draco21 said:
Why i would go with i5 = it gets more recommendation in many places( just google search) example [D] AMD FX-8350 or Intel i5-3570K?

They draw less power(am sure of it) and can be oc'ed to 5Ghz and its 4 cores are faster than the 8 cores AMD has (unnecessary for gaming)

Whatever you choose remember no overclocking without a good PSU and a good cooling system.

Good luck buddy

thanks for your enthusiasm brother, but you need some serious reading before advising people on PC builds.

@God
go for the FX

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[D] AMD FX-8350 or Intel i5-3570K?

FX 8350 vs i5 3570k (Overclocking) (Gaming) - Graphics-Cards - Graphic-Displays

AnandTech - Bench - CPU

*forums.hardwaresecrets.com/fx-8350-i5/9115?

*answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121116170028AAHreWQ
i5 beats 8350 in most games......(What i read)

Did you read something different somewhere??

Also please tell me why you would suggest 8350 i want to learn too....

"fx 8350 can be OC'ed to 8.79ghz(if you have nitrogen cooling)"

That is sick....

^You will get lessons on FX from cilus,sumon and other memebrs ;-)

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/technology-news/168396-8-79ghz-fx-8350-fastest-ever-cpu.html

i have decided that i will go with fx 8350 as i do get into situation where i am compiling doing catia work listenng to music playing games etc.....while doing one the rest remains in the background...i guess the fx series would be my best bet at the moment...and as for gpu do i go for 7950 7970 or as cilus suggested 7870....also which brand to go with i have seen the same card of different card possesing difference in core clock speed...............please guys suggest me a complete config with the brand names aswell

also try to give the approx price for reference

draco21 said:
BTW Why is AOC monitors crap??

Being an OEM company, they don't have good quality management stuffs for their products which they sold directly to their customers.

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draco21 said:
Ok maybe 660ti is a better in gaming but that is it..

nvidia is only good for gaming not other works....

please give source from where you read that.

d6bmg said:
Being an OEM company, they don't have good quality management stuffs for their products which they sold directly to their customers.

I just couldnt get that.Could you explain that a bit.

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Radeon HD 7950 vs. GeForce GTX 660 Ti revisited - The Tech Report - Page 1

4 December so i guess they used latest drivers.....

Anywhere you read otherwise??

Also AOC is not that bad as you think

As for OP, HD 7950 can handle everything without any worries for at least 1 year but if budget allows, go HD 7970. It's your wish anyways(if you fell AA and all are worth 6000-8000 more)

draco21 said:
[D] AMD FX-8350 or Intel i5-3570K?

FX 8350 vs i5 3570k (Overclocking) (Gaming) - Graphics-Cards - Graphic-Displays

AnandTech - Bench - CPU

*forums.hardwaresecrets.com/fx-8350-i5/9115?

*answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121116170028AAHreWQ
i5 beats 8350 in most games......(What i read)

Did you read something different somewhere??

Also please tell me why you would suggest 8350 i want to learn too....

"fx 8350 can be OC'ed to 8.79ghz(if you have nitrogen cooling)"

That is sick....

No doubt i5 beats FX-8350 in gaming, but in heavy multitasking its the other way round.
And softwares that OP will be using will definitely benefit from it.

CommanderShawnzer said:
fx 8350 can be OC'ed to 8.79ghz(if you have nitrogen cooling)

one would have to be like very rich if they want to do that......

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@ saswat23

Yes i realised it now (Thanks to cilius)

Buddy, FX-8350's overclocking potential, even with a good 3K/4K Air Cooler is higher than any Ivy Bridge Processors. The Ivy Bridge Silicon Die is based on Intel's 1st implementation of Tri-Gate Transistors and being the 1st version, has some flaws. Ivy Bridge gets unstable after 4.6 GHz and it is extremely hard to cross 4.8 GHz speed, no matter how pricey cooler you use. The flaw is in the chip design and that's why overclockers around the world still prefers Sandy Bridge Processors for Overclocking.

If OP is in gaming, i5 3570 makes perfect sense but for applications OP has mentioned, the only competitor FX-8350 has is i7 2600K, priced at 18K. So, your choice. Also in the reviews, the testing is very strait forward, not exploring the special features and tweaking you will get with a FX series CPU. I have used 8150 and now using 8350 and with my FX-8150 @ 4.2 GHz and certain tweaks under Windows 7, I have reached the performance of i7 3960X, a $700 Processor, in certain Benchmarks in AID 64 Extreme Edition.

Let me explain a little: in the Video Encoding section, all the reviewers just convert a 1920X1080P Bluray or MPGE2 video to MP4 or MKV format, playable for portable devices like Ipad, Tabs etc. But those settings are not at all for any Professional level work. H264 does have three profiles, Baseline for Ipod, Phones, Main for Tablets and High for true HD Media Players or powerful Tablets. Now under each setting, there are plenty of options like Search algorithm, Quantification, B Frame and Reference Frame count, CABAC algorithm, Motion Vector Detection etc. If you enable all those settings under the encoder (for example Handbrake, TEncoder), the video encoding becomes extremely heavy but produces the best output and can bring most of the Intel QUAD Core Non-HT CPUs to its Knees. Here you will see how FX-8350 performs. I have tested and know how good it is. Also advantage of FMA instruction helps here.

Now here is the catch, actually the example I have given is more suited for a guy who wants Professional level Encoding and FX is the perfect choice. I don't want to buy a Rs 14000 Intel Processor like i5 3570K for video conversion....for my Ipod and say that look........both AMD FX-8350 and i5 3570K performs similar in multi-threaded video encoding.

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When i ask you for tricks and tweaks you give none but now you say many are available for AMD....

anyways nicely explained thanks......

Will create a thread shortly explaining the tricks. Currently little busy in Office but already started working on it.

some sonu bagchi in flipkart reviewed the fx 8350 and commented

"If you have setup & LN2 & some gas & other masks & live in Antarctica this can go upto 9 GHz!" :-D

ok so which motherboard would go with the fx8350.....the lowest cost would do as i am planing on getting a sabertooth 990fx/pureblack in 3-4 months...........plus would i require a cooler now at this point if i run the fx in stock and resist myself from ocing????

3)is a 21.5 good enough as i will go into a multi monitor setup soon

4) is the nzxt guardian 921 good enough or is there a good case available in 4-5k max

somebody please answer all the question's :/ i beg you guys not to fight over amd intel :3

and aoc is not the point.......the point is the monitor you preferred is a ips panel i am looking for A tn display with response time of 2sec anything more than that doesn't work for me
ps-the aoc model you preffered has 14 secs response time

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Dont know why you dont want ips panel or how response time will affect....(ok i got it 2ms response times = better sniper games)

1. dont go too cheap on mobo. you are buying a 8350......
2.No overclocking of any type=no custom cooler required
3. Yes good enough
4.Corsair 400R Mid Tower Cabinet - Corsair: Flipkart.com

Found this cabinet recommended at many places in the forum....

Cilus said:
Buddy, FX-8350's overclocking potential, even with a good 3K/4K Air Cooler is higher than any Ivy Bridge Processors. The Ivy Bridge Silicon Die is based on Intel's 1st implementation of Tri-Gate Transistors and being the 1st version, has some flaws. Ivy Bridge gets unstable after 4.6 GHz and it is extremely hard to cross 4.8 GHz speed, no matter how pricey cooler you use. The flaw is in the chip design and that's why overclockers around the world still prefers Sandy Bridge Processors for Overclocking.
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WOW!!

Since the apps OP is going to use make use of 8 cores . So it is suggested. As for Gaming a good graphic card will do.

^Well take a look at technology news.

I know that in some games intels architecture is proven to be more effective some games AMD to has an advantage,but when it comes to pure multitasking and multi-threaded applications

i heard "Not only does ASUS' latest motherboard the SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0, which features AMD's newest enthusiast chipset, not support this CPU out of the box there is currently not even a BIOS available from ASUS to support it"........................is it true...........................

errr.....what????

the cpu here is 8350

also i heard jim keller making a super chip to kill intel once in for all??

sumonpathak said:
errr.....what????

lol read it somewhere i am sure the weed is good where he lives

draco21 said:
Dont know why you dont want ips panel or how response time will affect....(ok i got it 2ms response times = better sniper games)

1. dont go too cheap on mobo. you are buying a 8350......
2.No overclocking of any type=no custom cooler required
3. Yes good enough
4.Corsair 400R Mid Tower Cabinet - Corsair: Flipkart.com

Found this cabinet recommended at many places in the forum....

hey that helped a lot....

Godoftheforbiddenlight , You heard wrong, all part of it. R2 Motherboards are just ensuring Windows 8 support. The BIOS version is 1604 which enables support for all the new PileDriver processors. Also without the BIOS upgrade, it will still support the newer Processors but you will miss some of the advanced options designed for PD.
I have a normal Sabertooth Board and was using 1503 BIOS when I plugged my FX-8350. It was running flawlessly. Then I updated the BIOS to 1604 for maximum compatibility. The R2 one already comes with 1604 BIOS.

Cilus said:
Godoftheforbiddenlight , You heard wrong, all part of it. R2 Motherboards are just ensuring Windows 8 support. The BIOS version is 1604 which enables support for all the new PileDriver processors. Also without the BIOS upgrade, it will still support the newer Processors but you will miss some of the advanced options designed for PD.
I have a normal Sabertooth Board and was using 1503 BIOS when I plugged my FX-8350. It was running flawlessly. Then I updated the BIOS to 1604 for maximum compatibility. The R2 one already comes with 1604 BIOS.

yes i researched further...........by the way cilus would a cheap mother <6k....create any performance issues ????? considering i will buy a very decent one in 4 months......if not than can you opine me one????

also i am thinking of going with 7870ghz i saw the core clock speed higher in this one the sapphire 7950 is clocked 200 less than this one....is it a good idea to go with 7870.....or any other good cards ???

At 16.7K, HD 7870 is the best. however, you can't compare it with 7950 just because the former has higher clock speed. 7950 has more number of shader processor, higher number of ROPs and 384 bit memory bus, resulting better performance.

ok so ASUS HD7970 3GB DDR5 MATRIX or POWERCOLOR HD7970 3GB GDDR5 384BIT

or anything cheaper that has performance parameters close enough

P.S i aint rich the money will be a loan so if its unneccesary than i won't buy

Avoid Power Color 1st of all. Opt for Asus Direct CU II OC version, currently around 32K. You can also opt for Sapphire HD 7970 Dual Fan OC model which comes around 29K. HD 7970 overclocks really well. So if you get a Card with good cooler but not factory overclocked, you can overclocked it by yourself to 1000 MHz, touching the performance of 7970 GHz Edition card.

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asus direct CU2T 7970 @ 30.5k

or you can go for 7770 crossfire. cheaper than the 7970/50. but performance comparable to 7950.

have got a config in mind will buy monday thanks everyone.......cilus your the man