Because most manufacturers support Nvidia (mostly taiwanese). Nvidia cards are lighter on the wallet for those who want a good performance to price ratio. ATI on the other hand is mad about fps without taking price into consideration. Its for those geeks who boast about 100+ fps when they forget that our eyes cannot distinguish the difference between 50 or 100 fps. They don't know and care about "persistence of vision".
Thats because ATI cards support very high FSAA by default when Nvidia has to be specifically tweaked to get the same level of FSAA. Anyway, I'm not so sure of this.
Thats because ATIs drivers are very buggy compared to Nvidia which are rock solid. Secondly ATI make specific optimizations for certain games in their drivers. I don't think Nvidia does that. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
!Who the hell is nVIDIA or ATI to determine how a particular shader should be executed? Only the developer and the gamer have the right to determine how their gaming experience should be. Sadly, a lot of nVIDIOTs don't seem to realize this fact.
Unfortunately for you, the 6800 ain't futureproof at all. Despite nVIDIA's claims that the NV4x series can run 64K instructions, their current driver only supports 4096 instructions. Plus, it doesn't support fp32 filtering and blending operations, so that again isn't future proof. The NV4x series doesn't support a lot of features including programmable tessellation and higher order surfaces. In reality, despite what nVIDIA's PR claims, the NV4x is no more futureproof than ATI's R4xx series. The funny thing is that it took nVIDIA 2 years extra to get to the current level, whereas ATI did it (better) with 2 year old technology
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Dude, the problem with gxsaurav is that he doesn't respect anybody else's views and rants on without thinking. He's been doing it for a while now and that's bothering the hell outta me.
What nonsense are you talking? I was comparing the price of the Radeon 9600 XT, which happens to be much lesser than that of the GeForce FX 5700 Ultra.
You're comparing the GeForce 6800 Ultra with the 9800 XT
! Now who's the idiot ?Sorry to break it to you buddy, but the R520 supports just about every feature called for by the DX9c specifications, including fp32 filtering and blending and adaptive tessellation. nVIDIA should catch up with the R520 in about... 20 years
!Sure nVIDIA is better at Marketting. But that's the problem! If they put the same effort into making cards, they'd beat ATI hands down
(or perhaps not)!Funny, cause I got my card within 3 days of ordering
! Now I wonder why... ?Sure they do. Only problem is that it runs slower than their last-last-generation product!
!Yeah sure, when the whole world knows that nVIDIA is doing shader replacements and ATI runs them like they're supposed to, Einstein here hypothesizes the other way around
!Is that supposed to be funny? OK, let me try tickling myself... maybe I'll laugh then...
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That's like saying "since you're an idiot, and since all humans have supposedly evolved from one single ancestor, all humans are idiots". Stop talking like a moron. Just because I think OpenGL stinks, doesn't mean I hate Linux, infact I like Linux to a certain extent.
Or perhaps nVIDIA needs too much time to incorporate all their shader replacements... one thousand shaders per game, and a 100 such games on the market... that means that the nVIDIA boys write 100,000 replacement shaders... and that takes a lot of time
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Cause nVIDIA generally shifts to partial precision (16-bit) to get decent framerates, whereas ATI runs all shading calculations at 24-bit precision. That along with shader replacements leads to the overall degradation in the quality. Not to speak of ATI's superior anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering capabilities
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hehe, just what i was bout to say..
! Just that this chap denies the evidence, that ATI is currently doing better than nVIDIA, even after it's been tatooed onto his eyeballs !
Superior...eh? Now how would FSAA and AF differ in quality on both cards? And why is it superior from that of nvidias? Care to enlighten me?anidex said:
Actually, the Radeon 9600 outperforms even the GeForce FX 5900 Ultra when taking DX9 into consideration.
Oh yes. They're absolutely optimized for every game out there! Most of the optimizations involve running partial precision shaders and replacement shaders that reduce workload to atleast half. Hope you got what I meant
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That's dumb. That's like claiming that, if you have a Pentium 2, it's better than someone else's Athlon FX 53
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Firstly, there is no such thing as optimising for the Radeon cards because :-
In case you forgot, the old Half-Life 2 benchmarks revealed that the GeForce FX 5900 Ultra barely caught up with the Radeon 9600 PRO even when using partial precision shaders and got completely owned at full precision. What's your point?
and i quote Raabo when i say thisit_waaznt_me said:
tho this is really gettin outta hand and spreadin to other topics as well
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What an moronic statement or better put what a n00bish statement.gxsaurav said:
Again, you dont know what your are talking about. :roll: In the past ATI's driver releases were 2 months or far in between. Now that ATI is working more on their drivers and releasing or tweaking them more than Nvidia, you still have a problem.gxsaurav said:
Ouch, so you are also upset that the Catalysts are WHQL certified and Forceware are not sometimes. That makes sense as if it was the other way around, you would have been crying foul that ATI's drivers are not WHQL certified.gxsaurav said:
There you again complaining. ATI has taken the lead and came out with their .NET based Control Center first. Nvidia is building the same thing, they are behind in this area. ATI is not forcing you to download the CCC, you can get the old Control Center which weighs in far less.gxsaurav said:
Longhorn is still 2 or more years away, Nvidia is playing catch up with ATI here. AFAIK nobody has yet seen Nvidia's .NET based Control Center so your claim that it is not flashy is vapor.gxsaurav said:
ATI's CCC is far more simple, if you have troubles with it then it means you are a n00b. Ajay, all the cards you have mentioned are too costly. If you want to spend that much and get the best; go for the X800 XT PE. If you can wait a bit and want to save some money, wait for the 6600 & X700 series.
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Or better put; you can smell your hapless defeat and look for ways to wriggle out of it which you are doing right now.gxsaurav said:
Oh ! the irony ! "Again, when others do it, it's bad, when U do it it's good" applies to you too. It is you who thinks when ATI does it, it's bad and when Nvidia does it, its good. Get that straight first.gxsaurav said:
Dude, whatever your issue is. Maybe ATI refused to sell you one of their cardsgxsaurav said:
but TSMC or IBM are the ones who manufacture the cores for both ATI and Nvidia. They might have suggested it and ATI might have given it a thought which is enough for you to jump like a cricket that they are copying HSI. However you have conveniently ignored that Nvidia is also developing .NET based Control panel. Isnt that copying ? What a bias. :roll:
erm, only anidex knew his stuff correctly. I wont comment about the other person you are referring to.demoninside said:
veer said:demoninside, what compatability issues have you encountered with ATI cards ?
fellow showing benchmarks on page 2 between a 9800 and 6800 Ultra Poor thing. Anyway most of this thread is lies, biased opinion. Especially gxsaurav as he seems to have a personal vendetta agains ATI for some reason or another.
Using Proxies, yes you can. But I'm not using any as I am not afraid of anything. If you trace back my IP, you'll get the legit ISP of my country. A masked IP address will only lead to well know proxy servers. I dont know about you gxsaurav but using a proxy here means either you are paranoid or upto something fishy.gxsaurav said:
What feature does the 5000 FX series have that the Radeon 9800 series doesnt have ? Crappy shader performance ? Please, dont try to kid me with your biased decisions or purchases. I dont care if you go out and buy a XGI card and try to justify it as the most feature rich card ever.gxsaurav said:
What are your smoking ? ATI prices are same as Nvidia and in most cases cheaper than Nvidia.icecoolz said:
From the past 2-3 (since the 9700 era) ATI has always been better in performance, quality & features. The only extra thing 6800 series has is PS3.0 which is practically useless for now and will probably be useless till PS4.0 is out.demoninside said:
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These are MSRP direct from ATI & Nvidia. Look at Pricewatch.com, ATI & Nvidia's websites, you'll find these prices.icecoolz said:
All the prices I listed are MSRPs direct from the company's websites, I'm not making them up.icecoolz said:
Again, check the websites. :roll:icecoolz said:
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Dont know what you mean by that. Getting hold of any ISP & any other country wont help you hide your IP. Anyway, its upto the mods to look into this. You, me or anybody else have do not have any right to accuse that two users are the same without the proof to back up those statements.demoninside said:
Dont know what issues you had with Anidex but to me only he looked like the person who knew what he was talking about.tarey_g said:
Hey, I was not asking how to do that ...demoninside said:
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Pricewatch has thousands of such links, they cant verify each and every link. Its the responsibility of the hardware website to report and correct their own links. Looks like you heard about Pricewatch for the first time and hence the apprehension.icecoolz said:
ATI will never sell the X800 SE's on their websites, only ATI's AIB partners will. The X800 SE does exist, it will be available soon. You dont look like you are up to date with the latest news .... This article is about one month old: *www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20040904105510.htmlicecoolz said:
Considering the X700 was launched recently, it will show up soon. You are one hell of an impatient guy. Nvidia 6600 started showing up in retail almost 2 months since they were officially launched, ATI took only 2 weeks. You are complaining on that ? Head over to HardOCP site and you'll find that X700 Pros are already available at BestBuy.icecoolz said:
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Ha ha Froogle. Keep using it, I'm nobody to influence your personal preference in any way.
Now you are trying to derail the whole argument.
You were trying to make an unfair comparision between 6600 & X700 series which only showed your impatience and bias.
Facts ? Like WMDs in Iraq ? lol
Nice. I wonder if its in stock.
Buddy, you are the one talking out of your imaginary world saying ATI cards are expensive than Nvidia cards. You have yet to come up with such proof to back that up.
Another one of your cheap accusations without any proof to back that up. I think I'll report this to mods myself and let them decide about it. :roll:gxsaurav said:
Yes, price matters. In some situations, it matters the most. I dont know what you mean by "price of India", what was that ?gxsaurav said:
Thats not ATI's fault, the retailers price it higher.gxsaurav said:
They dont prefer to spread propaganda against their competitors first, in that sense YES ! they are lousy.gxsaurav said:
I'm not against anybody, I try to counter lies & BS.demoninside said:
same thinking here too m8, r u not tired by thisblade_runner said:
Thanks.
They are ready last month means they are ready since September but are waiting for Nvidia to launch 512MB cards ?plasmafire said:
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Probably because he realised that some POS people will continue their BS.amitsaudy said: