General automobile discussion thread

Seems like TDF doesn't have a general thread for automobile discussion, so here we go.

Lets start by posting about your favourite car and why d you like it.

Mine is Pagani Zonda R. I love it because it's so pure, every part made just for race, no BS. The voice is just so superb and Pagani doesn't do marketing **** to spoil the passion. Also love it's shape and interiors.

I love the Indica because it doesn't give me any problem while driving and it was the first car I drove!!!

No experience with the Pagani mentioned above!!!

Well I love my Elantra. Great handling and sheer power.
Great for long distance.

Still a student here... No personal car... Only three family cars!!! :-(

I'm not talking about card I've driven, just the cars love.

harshilsharma63 said:
I'm not talking about card I've driven, just the cars love.

Yeah...
I am talking about cars that I have driven, not the cars that I love...
Don't see a problem in that... Check thread title for clarification...

Anyone driven a supercar?

harshilsharma63 said:
Anyone driven a supercar?

Narain karthikeyan

I love the Tesla Model S. A brilliant feat of engineering IMHO. Also the best car that I have driven is the Honda City.

Batmobile, FTW.

:lol:

go carting at some amusement park counts as automobile exp ?

icebags said:
go carting at some amusement park counts as automobile exp ?

Yeah.

BTW Honda City is my fav in terms of ride quality and handling. Jetta is second.

Lamborghini Aventador and Gallardo :doublethumb:

My favourite is Nissan GTR. The GODZILLA. Hopefully will buy it someday.

A BMW Z4. Or a M3 Convertible. Or a Gallardo Spyder. Or a Bentley GTC. Or a SLS Cabrio.
Well, I love convertibles.

I have always dreamt of buying A Honda accord. But sales have been discontinued in India.

nomad47 said:
I have always dreamt of buying A Honda accord. But sales have been discontinued in India.

There were news of a new version of Accord. Personally, I loved the style of current-gen Accord.

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Test drove Fiesta 2014. Impressed with the ride.

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Faun said:
Test drove Fiesta 2014. Impressed with the ride.

Ford Fiesta Classic?

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amjath said:
Ford Fiesta Classic?

This
*www.carspeed-78.com/wp-content/uploads//2014-ford-fiesta-hatchback-white-nhb0duvc.jpg

Classic is same as figo.

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the best design I like is Chevrolet Cruze

*media.caranddriver.com/images/11q4/426102/chevrolet-cruze-z-spec-concept-photo-426103-s-1280x782.jpg

and Elantra is also good in design :-D

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^^Elantra's design is an eye catcher. But the engine is pretty tame for such a big car.

I liked ford fiesta hatchback. But that's not available in India.

*media.caranddriver.com/images/12q3/472829/2014-ford-fiesta-titanium-16-tdci-econetic-5-door-euro-spec-photo-477589-s-1280x782.jpg

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*www.digit.in/forum/automobiles/185411-general-automobile-discussion-thread.html

Talking about cars, we own old Hyundai Santro and have hands on wagon R. So basically hatchbacks only not sedan.

Just a word of caution. Paprika Red color is not in stock now. When I asked for Paprika Red color new Ford Fiesta 2014 delivery, the dealer Talera Ford is asking for minimum 20k rupees extra saying that by the time the car will be received from the company (after manufacturing it or something) the prices are going to increase even if we pay full amount now.

If you want anything other than silver or white. Be ready to pay extra bucks. I am not sure what kind of mathematics they use for this.

Never had high opinion of ford's ethics but this leaves a sour taste. Likely going for hyundai elite i20 or Verna then.

^ toyota eithos or any Honda??

OT:
The truth is, if your car breakdown indian brand and foriegn brand behave differently. Indian car manufacture will drag the car for towing, but Non-Indian Manufacturer will tow your car by carrying on the truck

amjath said:
^ toyota eithos or any Honda??

OT:
The truth is, if your car breakdown indian brand and foriegn brand behave differently. Indian car manufacture will drag the car for towing, but Non-Indian Manufacturer will tow your car by carrying on the truck

Eying for Elite i20 now. Don't like Etios and Honda diesel NVH is just bad.

Faun said:
Eying for Elite i20 now. Don't like Etios and Honda diesel NVH is just bad.

I dont get it
Elite i20 is hatchback right? r u looking for hatchback or Sedan?

amjath said:
I dont get it
Elite i20 is hatchback right? r u looking for hatchback or Sedan?

No such criteria. Anything that handles well, looks good and good ASS.

^tried grand i10?

amjath said:
^tried grand i10?

Yeah. It's a good car but I don't like the styling. I don't even like old i20 design. Styling benchmark to me is Elantra.

Like the European design of elite i20. Tomorrow is the test drive. Diesel top end variant Asta is about 9 lacs on road in pune.

^ BTW i really like that led light arrangement near fog light in i20. It gives premium look when lit like merc

^^Yeah, real tail lamp is designed to turn heads.

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Test drove Elite i20. Impressive ride in city. Couldn't get chance to drive for extended run.

Considering that the support and service will be good, this one is a good candidate. Waiting time is around 1 month. Will be getting details by tomorrow.

Not happy with the attitude of Ford dealers. Wonder how good the service will be. Don't want to take unnecessary headache during after sales service.

I like the practicality of Ertiga. It is compact enough to be practical in our congested cities/towns. Large enough to squeeze in a few relatives in case of emergencies. Enough space for luggage for a long drive if only family. Planning to get it next. Right now I drive a petrol Ritz.
I have enjoyed the peace of mind offered by Maruti's extensive and accessible service network.

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Hypothetically I would love to get myself a shiny Volvo

*esd.volvocars.com/site/MY14/S60/Gallery/Exterior/exterior_large_1.jpg

Having a Volvo in India would force you to turn most of the "safety" features off most of the time.

Nipun said:
Having a Volvo in India would force you to turn most of the "safety" features off most of the time.

Didn't get you.

Nipun said:
Having a Volvo in India would force you to turn most of the "safety" features off most of the time.

I understand that some features may end up irritating you or costing you such as body sensors (pets, lightning or passing by heavy vehicles set them off at all times of day) and airbags (hypothetically may inflate while involved in minor day to day collisions with buffaloes or 2 wheelers but I suppose there are thresholds for airbag deployment that are sensible)

Things like ABS, Traction Control or such might be life saving.

Did you mean something else?

sling-shot said:
I understand that some features may end up irritating you or costing you such as body sensors (pets, lightning or passing by heavy vehicles set them off at all times of day) and airbags (hypothetically may inflate while involved in minor day to day collisions with buffaloes or 2 wheelers but I suppose there are thresholds for airbag deployment that are sensible)

Things like ABS, Traction Control or such might be life saving.

Did you mean something else?

ESP may overcompensate when you try to swerve avoiding an obstacle in normal Indian driving conditions.

Airbags, ABS, Traction Control are in almost all cars in this segment - I was talking about something very specific to Volvos (Though the new S-Class and probably the E have this too now): Automatic Braking, Lane Sensors etc. While I advocate lane-driving and being safe on roads all the time, I also realize that in Indian conditions driving in lanes properly is not possible every time. And I've read that the car will keep braking in busy roads and markets due to 'body sensors'/'automatic braking'. Here's more to read: Volvo S60 (304 BHP AWD) : Test Drive & Review - Team-BHP

GTO said:
While some of the features have inherent value, the others are irrelevant to India. For instance, when driving within the city, keeping the gaps that us Indians are used to (and I mean, COMFORTABLE gaps), the beeps & alerts drove us crazy! A cycle passes from the front of the car = BEEP. A pedestrian is toward the front LHS of the car in a busy market place = BEEP. These systems definitely need to be localised for Indian driving conditions. In their current form, the sensors are hypersensitive & something or the other keeps beeping every 5 minutes. On the final leg of the drive, I switched most of the systems off.

Need suggestion between elite i20 and swift dzire petrol version [MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] hope you can help

Please insist more on service cost

amjath said:
Need suggestion between elite i20 and swift dzire petrol version [MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] hope you can help

Please insist more on service cost

Hi, I ended up buying Verna.

Between elite i20 and swift dzire, I'd go for Elite i20.

1. Service costs are similar.
2. Mileage is pretty close to dzire
3. Contemporary looks
4. Much more comfortable and spacious.

amjath said:
Need suggestion between elite i20 and swift dzire petrol version [MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] hope you can help

Please insist more on service cost

So I should come for Chennai for the treat or will you come over to Hyderabad for giving the treat?

Faun said:
Hi, I ended up buying Verna.

Between elite i20 and swift dzire, I'd go for Elite i20.

1. Service costs are similar.
2. Mileage is pretty close to dzire
3. Contemporary looks
4. Much more comfortable and spacious.

Excellent choice going to verna. I took a test drive for both. I feel more premium seating for elite i20. So I'm leaning towards Hyundai.

What do you think about diesel vs petrol service cost?
I heard if petrol needs servicing every 10000km diesel needs every 5000km , is that right.

ajayritik said:
So I should come for Chennai for the treat or will you come over to Hyderabad for giving the treat?

Bhai I will come to Hyderabad, mereko daawat dho

amjath said:
Excellent choice going to verna. I took a test drive for both. I feel more premium seating for elite i20. So I'm leaning towards Hyundai.

What do you think about diesel vs petrol service cost?
I heard if petrol needs servicing every 10000km diesel needs every 5000km , is that right.

Diesel engines are pretty refined now. The costs dinosaur is not real anymore.

However, diesel cars are costly by about 1 lac. So you will need few years to break even. Personally, I like diesel cars.

Test drive both variants. Due to high torque at low end in diesel engines, you wont have to throttle at all in lower gears. A luxury for bumper to bumper traffic. After sale value will be more if you intend to sell later.

PS: You can call the dealership and ask them for test ride.

My budget is strictly 8lakh but needs a high end on any variant which has every safety features.
So I chose petrol version also has less noise etc.
You think service cost will not be different. I didn't take diesel version for test drive.

[MENTION=127004]amjath[/MENTION]: also make a note to buy a Car which doesn't ditch you after long idle period...
bcoz I have seen some brand where once kept idle for say 8~10 days the engine refuse to start and needs some kicking

Zangetsu said:
[MENTION=127004]amjath[/MENTION]: also make a note to buy a Car which doesn't ditch you after long idle period...
bcoz I have seen some brand where once kept idle for say 8~10 days the engine refuse to start and needs some kicking

I guess it happens with diesel engine, I have 2000 model santro which starts even after 20 days of idle.

Zangetsu said:
[MENTION=127004]amjath[/MENTION]: also make a note to buy a Car which doesn't ditch you after long idle period...
bcoz I have seen some brand where once kept idle for say 8~10 days the engine refuse to start and needs some kicking

I guess you are talking about the diesel version. During my intial days with my wagon R I used to keep it idle for a month without using.

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amjath said:
Bhai I will come to Hyderabad, mereko daawat dho

You buy car how come I should give treat bro? Don't worry will take small treat.

ajayritik said:
I guess you are talking about the diesel version. During my intial days with my wagon R I used to keep it idle for a month without using.

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You buy car how come I should give treat bro? Don't worry will take small treat.

I will give you big treat, agar mai app ka gharko aayato bada Hyderabadi daawat chahiye.

Can someone comment on petrol vs diesel service period difference

amjath said:
I guess it happens with diesel engine, I have 2000 model santro which starts even after 20 days of idle.

Not sure diesel or petrol but one of my friend had Toyota and Dezire he said Dezire had better engine and Toyota had this problem of start.

[Strike]What about Toyota etios liva diesel?[/strike] [MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] or any diesel owners tell me after free service, how many kilometers once you get your vehicle for service and how much it costs. Talking about company service

amjath said:
[Strike]What about Toyota etios liva diesel?[/strike] [MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] or any diesel owners tell me after free service, how many kilometers once you get your vehicle for service and how much it costs. Talking about company service

3 services are free. First at 1500Kms I think, second at 5000Kms, third at 12000Kms. Had first two services, no major issues except for clutch plate change (got weird wear-out on one side but the other was alright, some issue with alignment during assembly, clutch is not covered under warranty but they replaced for free as the issue was due to master slave cylinder). Clutch assembly costs 14k. for verna.

No idea about paid service after that. Do regular checks of vehicle and it will cut down on cost due to negligence. Spare parts cost increased with each higher segment vehicle.

^you only had 3 services as of now?

amjath said:
^you only had 3 services as of now?

only 2. 3rd will be after 12k kilometers.

^ok.

Honda Jazz is going to be released as well on 8th July. Will go to Honda showroom to get some info of it

amjath said:
[Strike]What about Toyota etios liva diesel?[/strike] [MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] or any diesel owners tell me after free service, how many kilometers once you get your vehicle for service and how much it costs. Talking about company service

I prefer Diesel as it will give u Max savings in long run
but if u prefer to install CNG on a petrol variant then also it is good

@ amjath I think when it comes to Diesel it's more of how much you travel that matters. If someone travels a lot I think in the long run Diesel is going to be a better option.

I would consider a Car perfect which has below features:
1.Superb Design
2.Comfortable sitting for every person
3.Good base width to avoid bumps
4.Excellent Mileage
5.Extra Boot space
6.Low maintenance cost
7.Other Features (ABS, power steering etc etc)

^ which means elite i20. Petrol engine mileage being 18 in city is a bit let down.
The petrol and diesel variants does have service difference. On a long run service dies make a huge difference. BTW I'm in no mood on changing this car in at least 15 years so thinking of resale value is not an option

Chevrolet is giving 3yrs maintenance FREE

Zangetsu said:
Chevrolet is giving 3yrs maintenance FREE

Chevrolet sail uva is the hatchback.

But,

What you’ll like:

• A well-rounded family hatchback
• Superbly tuned 1.3L diesel powerplant. Short-throw gearbox is a pleasure to use
• Spacious interiors. Rear legroom betters some sedans
• Excellent ride quality mated to neutral road manners
• Ideal for city driving : High seating position with a light steering, clutch and gearshift*

What you won’t:

• Dated & unappealing styling
• Missing features (No climate control, MID, steering-mounted audio controls, seat height adjustment)
• Sensitive steering at high speed. Needs a steady hand on the expressway
• Some quirky interior bits : Push / pull type door locks, centrally-placed window switches etc.*

Hyundai Elite i20 vs other B-segment Hatchbacks - Team-BHP

Recently one of my office mate bought Honda Brio @5.5 lacs the starting model.

I have a slight change in my choice, my eyes are now on Hyundai xcent
Reason: More vfm than elite i20,
more city mileage than i20
Sedan compared to hatchback

I feel i20 looks more upmarket than Xcent.
XCent just feels wannabe.

amjath said:
I have a slight change in my choice, my eyes are now on Hyundai xcent
Reason: More vfm than elite i20,
more city mileage than i20
Sedan compared to hatchback

Drive both and let your experience speak. I'd say call for test drives of other vehicles too.

Elite i20 is a hatchback and you can carry much larger stuff by folding the rear seats. There is a reason that people outside of India prefer hatchbacks because they go for outings with stuff like surfboards, camping stuff etc.

Till now I have to find one guy who doesn't like i20.

ajayritik said:
Till now I have to find one guy who doesn't like i20.

i20 active is ugly.

Faun said:
i20 active is ugly.

People prefer it too. Hot selling.

BTW i20 finalized.

Booked. June 14 delivery 99% guaranteed by sales rep.

amjath said:
People prefer it too. Hot selling.

BTW i20 finalized.

Booked. June 14 delivery 99% guaranteed by sales rep.

Congrats bro!
What about the party then?

ajayritik said:
Congrats bro!
What about the party then?

Hyderabad aaneka plan hai seriously.

Guys need help,
Sales rep guy is confusing me (whatever he said is correct)
He says 2 passenger on rear seat in xcent feels better than i20, agree to that. But reviews says 3 people on rear seat is crowded on xcent but he says no. He is along me to take another test drive again to check.

So how good is xcent, I see it hardly on the road. Is it because of that (one of the factor) asking me to book this vehicle. [MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] help [MENTION=131082]zan[/MENTION]gestu need any of yours or your friend's advice

amjath said:
Guys need help,
Sales rep guy is confusing me (whatever he said is correct)
He says 2 passenger on rear seat in xcent feels better than i20, agree to that. But reviews says 3 people on rear seat is crowded on xcent but he says no. He is along me to take another test drive again to check.

So how good is xcent, I see it hardly on the road. Is it because of that (one of the factor) asking me to book this vehicle. [MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] help [MENTION=131082]zan[/MENTION]gestu need any of yours or your friend's advice

Xcent in not a wide car. Why don't you take a test drive ? Sales person will try to sell the one where he gets most commission.

Faun said:
Xcent in not a wide car. Why don't you take a test drive ? Sales person will try to sell the one where he gets most commission.

I had my mom and dad seating at the back seat and drove them. The seats are bit high for sedan than hatch. Riding comfort is no different between the two. But telescopic adjustment of steering is not in sedan. My parents say both the vehicles are comfortable in the back. They get loss of leg room. Bit what about the 3rd person? Need personal review on 3 back seaters

Just take a tape and check the width of both seats. Then sit in back seats of both cars with 2 of your heaviest friends. Make sure both front seats are pushed back maximum.
You will get the idea.

Checkout this thread

Hyundai Sibling Rivalry : Grand i10 vs Elite i20 vs Xcent - Team-BHP

Faun said:
Sales person will try to sell the one where he gets most commission.

agree
+100

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I remember when I bought my Wagon R Car in 2009 that sales guy was trying to push off the LPG version of the car. He was suggesting it over swift.
Later I came to know that in the first quarter of 2010 they launched new models of Wagon R and hence they were trying to sell of the old models.

Elite i20 user feedback says they get ~12km/litre
Xcent user feedback says they get >15km/litre
do i need to compromise look for mileage?

Guys, any info about Avventura ?

Buy Fiat Avventura

looks super awesome :hyper:

Zangetsu said:
Guys, any info about Avventura ?

Buy Fiat Avventura

looks super awesome

I am more excited by the Hyundai Creta.

tkin said:
I am more excited by the Hyundai Creta.

Exterior is meh.. looks like Tata Mahindra.

tkin said:
I am more excited by the Hyundai Creta.

Interior seats and dashboard are simliar to elite i20.

Base diesel version costs ~13 lakh so its better to go for Innova.

Creta reviews says you need to slow down near the corners but its not the case with innova.

So its better to get Xuv500 or Innova than Creta

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Zangetsu said:
Exterior is meh.. looks like Tata Mahindra.

Exterior looks better while running on roads than in showrooms

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Zangetsu said:
Guys, any info about Avventura ?

Buy Fiat Avventura

looks super awesome

What you won't:

• Tail-mounted spare wheel is impractical. Opening the hatch is a cumbersome affair
• T-Jet engine isn't an option. Lacklustre 1.4L petrol available, but without ABS & Airbags
• Kerb weight sees a 65 kilo increment. A heavy car becomes heavier
• Interior quality & finish still have rough edges. Some messed up ergonomics too
• Poor rearward visibility. Parking sensors are sorely missed
• Limited rear bench space by segment standards
• Long throw, rubbery gearshift. Gear ratios could do with an improvement too
• Inconsistent after-sales service quality. Remains a hit or miss. Network has limited spread across India

*www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-drives-initial-ownership-reports/156762-fiat-avventura-test-drive-review.html
I would rather go for Cross polo than avventura.

Ford launches Ford Figo Aspire
and
Yamaha R3 is also launched :mrgreen:

*www.zigcdn.com/media/content/2015/Aug/yamaha-r3-review-track-zigwheels-india-m04_720x540.jpg

I will be getting the delivery of my creata in a week. Already 80k bookings on the car.

Audi A6 Matrix Launched..lets see how it competes with Jaguar XF 2nd gen