Go Beyond Vista – It's Time to Get a Mac

Go beyond Vista? It's time to get a Mac? Well, Apple managed to take the anti-Windows marketing campaign one step further. In the aftermath of Windows Vista's commercial availability, Apple
has gone beyond the “Get a Mac” video commercials and even beyond the claims that Vista is ripping-off Mac OS X. Apple is now promoting Mac OS X as a superior offer to Vista.

Make no mistake about it. Apple is still “advancing the world's most advanced operating system”. And Apple will still be advancing the world's most advanced OS until the end of March. Meanwhile, Windows Vista is here. And you know what... go ahead, since it's time to get a Mac, get one. Just make sure that it is powered by Intel. Windows Vista runs excellent on Intel-based Macs.

You will be able to see examples of Apple's “Go beyond Vista” campaign in the company's stores. The clerks there have begun wearing the new anti-Vista uniform – T-shirts with pictures of an iMac and the “Go beyond Vista” motto. There are also stand-ups with the same message, only this time Apple is even advising: “It's time to get a Mac.”

Additionally, there have been complaints that Apple's Vista-mocking campaign has made its way into spam. In fact, Apple has begun spamming people with “Go beyond Vista” emails. Yes, that is a new “high” for Apple. I wonder what's next? Releasing Vista PoC exploits?

“Go beyond Vista. It's time to get a Mac. If you're thinking of upgrading to Vista, you'll probably need a new computer. Why not get a Mac? It's simpler, more secure, and way more fun. And it works with the stuff you already have, like printers and cameras. So before you upgrade anything, you owe it to yourself to check out a Mac.”

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Everything about Apple is good except their ads.

I just decided to buy a mac based on Aryayush's advice. I looked at the mac at the apple store in forum and fell in love with it. Not that Im against Windows Vista. This means that I am neutral. I will be using both these operating systems in the Macbook that I will buy next week!

Very well said... But in india it's hard to adopt...it will take time

In my words "Agar hindustaniyo ko Nokia phone hi kharidna hai to Sony ericson chahe kuch bhi bana le hinsutani NOKIA hi karidega" ))

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MAc is releasing versions rather too quickly

The problem with Apple or Mac is not their hardware. They have some of the most beautiful hardware designs out there. iMac G4 was a piece of art, but the real problem with Apple is their whining attitude, arrogance of macboys who think they are somewhat elite in computing, when they hardly know anything about computing or technology & their marketing strategy

Oh, and you are never arrogant and never whine. Like in the post above.

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@GX
hmmm...as far as Apple is concerned, they will obviously try to promote their product & try to say that they are better than everyone else. I mean which company won't do that?. How many companies will say that the opposition is better?. I don't think your criticism of Apple is justified.

Well, he wouldn't be gx_saurav if it were.

i believe there is another thread for MAC VS Window$. so if u guys wanna fight then get lost from this thread n go there... this is not a place to fight.

Mac -does it have those 3D effects that Linux(compiz/beryl) and vista have..

Apple is good , but application and games are rather problem in Mac platform

aryayush said:
Oh, and you are never arrogant and never whine. Like in the post above.

yeah....i can understand, truth hurts macboys

(issued in forum interest)

freebird said:
Mac -does it have those 3D effects that Linux(compiz/beryl) and vista have..

Vista does not have anything 3D apart from Flip 3D.

Both Vista's interface and the effects and Beryl are heavily inspired from Mac OS X. Exposé, desktop cube, genie effect, dock, etc. are all features of the Mac platform.

well i was impressed by mac..and yes its too good to play..yes only play..

coz for me xp is everything...

if only we can install mac on amd systems with out loss of performance :-(

.

Well, then there wouldn't be anything exclusive about it, would there? 8)
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soham said:
Everything about Apple is good except their ads.

If you are talking about the latest 'Get a Mac' series, you need to get a sense of humour, man. They are so funny. Have you seen the latest ad titled 'Security'. :lol:

It is the funniest commercial ever. People download and watch these commercials.

And even apart from this series, Apple generally has the best commercials around. See this one. If that isn't funny as well as informative, I do not know what it.

I got a laptop installed with vista for 550$ ( Rs 24000) what will a Mac cost me?

First hand? Original branded laptop?

Must be Vista Home Basic.

Post the company and specs.

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Re: Go Beyond Vista – It's Time to Get a Mac

aryayush said:
Both Vista's interface and the effects and Beryl are heavily inspired from Mac OS X. Exposé, desktop cube, genie effect, dock, etc. are all features of the Mac platform.

desktop cube is in mac?

First hand? Original branded laptop?

*www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Satellite-A135-S2276-Widescreen-SuperMulti/dp/B000M8YU60
I didn't buy it from amazon though (got it in a deal

)
it doesn't matter though, the thing is there is an option for something cheap.
Having said that I will love a mac (since it has unix and hence zsh in 'core'), only if I could it install mac on this..

tech_your_future said:
desktop cube is in mac?

Yes, it is. I am surprised you did not know that.
However, you cannot drag something from one side of the cube to the other... yet.
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chesss said:
*www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Satellite-A135-S2276-Widescreen-SuperMulti/dp/B000M8YU60
I didn't buy it from amazon though (got it in a deal )
it doesn't matter though, the thing is there is an option for something cheap.
Having said that I will love a mac (since it has unix and hence zsh in 'core'), only if I could it install mac on this..

Please answer these three questions:
1. Is it a first hand product?
2. Is it original and branded?
3. Which version of Vista was pre-installed? And was it legit?

aryayush said:
First hand? Original branded laptop?

Must be Vista Home Basic.

Post the company and specs.

Could be. Laptops comes way cheaper in the US and Vista Home Basic can be preinstalled by the company, the cost is peanuts.

A friend of mine is an assembler in UK, using the OEM license hes been getting Vista Home Premium for 65 pounds per license.

Vista home premium is about $100 & Ultimae edition is about $140, both OEM

Macs are just overprices PCs, it's been proved so many times....yet the mac users act blind

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desktop cube is in mac?

Yes, the effect where, the screen revolves as though it were a part of a cube, when a switch user is done. I think it appeared in Tiger...or maybe Panther. hmmm...Not sure though.

Macs are just overprices PCs

True, there was a time when Macs were vastly different from PCs. They had a different processor architecture, different I/O (Macs used ADB, while PCs had PS/2). But today, Macs are nothing but PCs (technically speaking). Ofcourse they are very well made PCs, but PCs none the less.

gx_saurav said:
Macs are just overprices PCs, it's been proved so many times....yet the mac users act blind

Yada yada yada... *us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/76.gif
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Here's the shirt Apple Store employees are wearing nowadays:

Shirt front
Back

BEST SOLN- Go LINUX..

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There's one thing that makes apple products really "different". You don't have any hardware customization options, neither are there any upgrade options. Its like buying a phone- you want bigger screen then you will be smashed a faster processor in the face. Too bad if you are an enthusiastic.

Choosing a "unique" hardware configuration which is tailor made for you is a bliss. See, even PCs suffer from this phenomenon- people who are comfortable with computers like to get an assembled PC rather than a "company made". Heck if this was possible with laptops then I would have custom built one right now.

See, Macs really make you different, and isolated too. You have a Gamma value of 1.8 when the world follows 2.2, you use either a single button mouse or a 4 button mouse (As if first people used to press mouse button with palm and now they have learnt to use all 4 fingers. The thumb is still missing though

)

You get no games for Macs and when you ask a Mac user how he/she can remain without games they have one common reply- I don't play much of the games.

Oh yeah! did I mention the Macs read different file system for optical discs (Why on earth do we have HFS then?)
Man! (or should there be a "c" ?) this is living in isolation. Get out of the well and look around. There's life beyond Apple.

Another troll.

SE><IE said:
You have a Gamma value of 1.8 when the world follows 2.2

It requires just four clicks from the desktop to change that to 2.2.

SE><IE said:
you use either a single button mouse or a 4 button mouse (As if first people used to press mouse button with palm and now they have learnt to use all 4 fingers. The thumb is still missing though )

First of all, you can use any mouse from any company with any number of buttons with a Mac. Second, there are five buttons on the Mighty Mouse because the scroll ball is clickable too. Your thumb is already being used for the push button on the left side of the body. There have been two button mice in between too.

SE><IE said:
You get no games for Macs and when you ask a Mac user how he/she can remain without games they have one common reply- I don't play much of the games.

Yes, that would be my reply because I never played games when I was on Windows too.
But there are many avid gamers among Mac users. Most of them will tell you about how easily they can install Windows and use that for gaming purposes. Plus, any gamer worth the salt does not game on a PC. They buy a console.

SE><IE said:
Oh yeah! did I mention the Macs read different file system for optical discs (Why on earth do we have HFS then?)

Yes, you did and it would have been better if you hadn't. Just in case you did not know, Macs read HFS discs just fine.

SE><IE said:
Man! (or should there be a "c" ?) this is living in isolation. Get out of the well and look around.

Yeah, all Mac users are damsels in distress, suffering in a hell-hole of isolation and waiting for a gallant PC user (with his hand picked and assembled machine) like yourself to rescue us from our pathetic state.

Thanks, but no thanks!

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You know aryayush, I'm not against any Mac user for the matter. But I couldn't resist posting that thing. Regarding the gamma thing. Why does Apple make all Macs with 1.8 and then advice them to change to 2.2? Why not set it to 2.2 from factory itself?

See, I said "most common reply" is "I don't/Rarely play games". Well, nothing personal dude.

But there are many avid gamers among Mac users. Most of them will tell you about how easily they can install Windows and use that for gaming purposes.

Are you trying to cut your own point? Why would you install a "cheap piece of crap" when you can do anything on an Apple OS? Or do you mean Apple's OSes are no match for the "common peoples' OS"?

Plus, any gamer worth the salt does not game on a PC.

Oh really? Try playing any strategy game on a console

One more point, there are many things that say "Mac compatible" right?
Does it mean they were originally built keeping PC users in mind?

oh yeah! regarding that H(ybrid)FS, the name itself says its a file system so that both Mac and PC users can use the disc. If Apple decided to make PC disks readable then many a MBs would have been saved. Apple fans don't run away from this, even Linux uses the same file system for optical discs. Thats called society. Oh! sorry, ma bad, I just forgot Apple is "different"

PS: I'm not fighting over. If it were so then I would have very well posted in Fight-Club section. Just some drawbacks of owning a Mac that I felt like spilling here.

PSS:

Another troll.

Could have acted mature *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif

In your five points, I only found two points that can be considered drawbacks - that of games and self-assembling. Apart from that, just look at your points: the mouse has four buttons, the gamma is set at 1.8 by default and that Macs have a proprietary format for optical disks (but are also fully compatible with other industry formats). I am sorry if I found your post lacking in any solid points.

Now, as for games:

SE><IE said:
Are you trying to cut your own point? Why would you install a "cheap piece of crap" when you can do anything on an Apple OS? Or do you mean Apple's OSes are no match for the "common peoples' OS"?

This is called twisted logic. Windows is better than Mac OS X for gaming. OK, point noted. Now, if you want to rub this in, you are quite welcome to do so.
What I meant to say, however, is that since you can install Windows pretty easily on a Mac now, this point is essentially mute now. You want games, you install Windows and boot into it when you want to play games. Simple.
Now, please do not give me the logic that 'agar Windows hi install karna hai, to Mac par paisa kyun waste karo'. You do not buy a computer only for gaming, and Macs are better than Windows at pretty much everything else.

As for self assembly. Why do you wish to self assemble a machine? so that you can put together the best parts and make yourself a fully compatible machine that is stable and does not hang or crash, right?
Now, why do you buy a Mac? To run Mac OS X, right? Which organisation/company/person knows best about Mac OS X? Apple, Inc. and their hardware and software engineers who work together to produce systems that are well integrated and rock solid. So, why do you need to self assemble it?
One of the MAJOR problems with Windows is that users assemble their machines themselves and Windows takes an issue with some part of the machine or the other.
Apple is the only company that can circumvent this and bring you true easy of use and out-of-the-box functionality. And they are successfully doing so. they are selling you not just the hardware and software, but a unique experience, which is better than your PC experience.

You say choosing your own hardware configuration is "bliss", I say it is a pain in the neck. Maybe we are just a little different. Then again, Apple is for those who "think different", so that is not much of a surprise.

I am sorry if calling you a troll hurt you, but you posted some truly insane points in that post.

SE><IE said:
Choosing a "unique" hardware configuration which is tailor made for you is a bliss. See, even PCs suffer from this phenomenon- people who are comfortable with computers like to get an assembled PC rather than a "company made". Heck if this was possible with laptops then I would have custom built one right now.

Actully, there are VBI based laptops available from various manufacturers. They are barebone laptops & you can customize the parts in it. We PC users can buy whatever & use whatever....but not the case with Mac users. They have to make sure it is "Mac compatible"

arya said:
Yada yada yada... *us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/76.gif

What was the cost of the Macbook pro in that other thread by nagarjun? 1.06 lakh, ya....thats toooooo cheap

Se><ie said:
You have a Gamma value of 1.8 when the world follows 2.2

True

even I don't understand this

arya said:
Yes, that would be my reply because I never played games when I was on Windows too.
But there are many avid gamers among Mac users. Most of them will tell you about how easily they can install Windows and use that for gaming purposes. Plus, any gamer worth the salt does not game on a PC. They buy a console.

:ROFL, what about all the PowerPC users boy, it was Intel which saved Apple's Ass, Apple knows they need Windos to survive, yet they downplay there lifeline.

If MacOS X is soooooo good, why install Windows to play games on it. About consols well....there are already numuras discussions on the gamers section regarding "PC vs Console". Read that

se><ie said:
Oh really? Try playing any strategy game on a console

Nailed on the head man

arya said:
As for self assembly. Why do you wish to self assemble a machine? so that you can put together the best parts and make yourself a fully compatible machine that is stable and does not hang or crash, right?
Now, why do you buy a Mac? To run Mac OS X, right? Which organisation/company/person knows best about Mac OS X? Apple, Inc. and their hardware and software engineers who work together to produce systems that are well integrated and rock solid. So, why do you need to self assemble it?
One of the MAJOR problems with Windows is that users assemble their machines themselves and Windows takes an issue with some part of the machine or the other.
Apple is the only company that can circumvent this and bring you true easy of use and out-of-the-box functionality. And they are successfully doing so. they are selling you not just the hardware and software, but a unique experience, which is better than your PC experience.

Any sane computer user will laugh at u, atleast half of the forum is. Hack we even upgrade or replace components ourselves in HCL,HP,Dell here in india

, it's sooooo easy to upgrade.

Tell me, what can you upgrade yourself in a Mac

, other then RAM

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gx_saurav said:
Actully, there are VBI based laptops available from various manufacturers. They are barebone laptops & you can customize the parts in it. We PC users can buy whatever & use whatever

Can you tell us more about this? In another thread? I'd be grateful.

^^^^^ I am sorry, i won't be able to cos i m leaving home now. Start a thread in Hardware section & Sourabh will be able to help you with this.

Re: Go Beyond Vista – It's Time to Get a Mac

@Arya when you talk about games (pc vs. consoles) (count me in

), dude PC rules, no wonder they are used in every MAJOR Game Tournaments for any game :wink:

Consoles stay @ home at that time

, coz people have such Monstoruos PC Machines (highly configed) which beat the cr@p out of those punk consoles

and about "Self Assembly" thing, will you pay 50-60k(sorry i dont know Mac Prices

) for each macine, if you set up a "Inernet Cafe", or for general "Accounts" stuff in Office use.

here too PC is the BEST option, coz you can just go choose very "Low End" Processors, Motherboard, RAM....which account to a total of 20-25k
& same way the Power Users can go for Overclockable configs, like gamer dudes

(where price is not an issue @ all)

& for gamers

, there are many types of gamers, like 640*480, 1024*760, 2048 x 1536

apart from Casual gamer, Hardcore...gamers

(rit now i'm in 640 range

)
so according to their needs, they can get the low-end (cheaper) or a fully blown High-end card

which they overclock to even higher clock speeds

Well, what is the point in rubbing this in again and again. PCs are better than Macs at games. I never denied that and do not intend to either.
And Apple does not deal in extremely low end configurations, so MS only has competition from Linux there.
But with the release of Vista, MS has also basically opted out of the extremely low end segment.

But if you want a good, stable machine for doing your stuff and can at least spend Rs. 50,000 and upwards, Macs are your best bet.

well i was not comparing Mac & PC with Games. :wink:

i just took "gamers" as an example in "Self Assembly" thing :wink:

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As for self assembly.....

One of the MAJOR problems with Windows is that users assemble their machines themselves and Windows takes an issue with some part of the machine or the other.

Do you mean to say windows crashes due to hardware changes too? Now, Macs are preconfigured, I suppose thats because they can't handle any hardware changes?
To get the facts clear- Windows Xp was the most secure OS when launched, beating even Linux and Macs. This isn't what I say but what the facts say.
"Macs are stable, they crash due to hardware and not due to software" eh?
What? Macs can't support a handful of hardware handpicked by Apple Inc ? Wonder what would happen if they had to support enormous list of Hardware like Windows (getting proper drivers is still a a pain in the rear even for Linux users). And I suppose if MS were to go bundling handpicked hardware with windows then, heck, even 98 would haven't crashed.

But if you want a good, stable machine for doing your stuff and can at least spend Rs. 50,000 and upwards, Macs are your best bet.

What kinda stuff takes your computer to its limits? Games, video encoding, Animation softwares (3DS max, Maya etc), Photoshop (opening images in Gigabytes)? Heck you can get a normal PC for 20K bucks if you want the normal stuff.
Games: "Mac users don't play games". I lost to Macfans

Video-encoding: A custom built machine is always better. Atleast you can replace the processor (alone) when you need more power.
Animation: All devices must be Mac compatible. And do I see lots of choices? Heck no!
Photoshop: The world works on 2.2

@aryayush
First let me make my point clear...I am not bashing MAC users or anything...I am just tellin my views

What u say is true...MAC OS is a stable operatiing system..It is an OS perfectly designed for users who r new to computers...Everything I agree

U tell about stability...IN MAC OS hardly there will be few applications available for a particular job & most created by Apple..But in Windows there will be hundreds & there in lies the problem...All these programs are not created by Microsoft..all r created by 3rd party developers with all registry entries,files & the more number of programs u have less is the performance

And dude tell me one thing...who will receive the most number of curses,hatemails for not playin well in cricket...will it be Virender Sehwag or some Ranji Player?? Obviously Sehwag...& that here is MS...The more the popular the more r the number of attacks in the form of viruses,exploits etc...And yeah even MACs r also gettin their share 2... hackers & virus writers dont have time for Mac where the usage is just 2-3 % of the market...They can utilize themselves better if they write it for Windows..They can spread the treachery better in Windows..I agree that Microsoft was a bit leniant on the security side 2 but still Apple also is & they only find out the vulnerabilities themselves & patch it up whereas MS are told by hackers about the vulnerabilities & after gettin screwed they patch it up..

And talkin about MAC updates....every 0.1 version revision Apple charges 129$.. from CHeetah,Puma,Jaguar,Tiger & the upcoming Leopard its the same story...ANd dont tell me that they offer value for money for all these upgrades...most of them will be just enhancements...And the best parts of Tiger that is Spotlight,Dashboard were rip offs of Alpha builds of Longhorn...So it comes nearly 400-500 dollars which is the same cost of Windows Vista & whatever new features we get,we wont be payin anything for that...

To tell u the truth Microsoft is a victim of popularity of its own operating systems...By the time they release a new OS the previous OS wud have been adopted by users that they dont feel like upgrading to a new one..But they do upgrade...Now Windows Xp is defacto,but people were whinning that it didnt offer new noticeable features but people still upgraded..
And as everybody has said...PC upgradation which cant be done with MACS..Yes ys I know MAC systems look like angels but PC can be made to look like that...I have seen some beautiful lookin cabinets...

So what i tell is if u like MACs gud for ya & I like Windows & wud not think of switching to MAC rite now..Windows is just gettin better...And I am with Remond based MS & support them whole heartedly

In the end also I am tellin that MS is also a pain in the arse but still Apple is not far ahead...But MS will catch it...

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se><ie I agree with ur post....

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Actually, Dashboard was a rip off of Konfabulator.

hmm...well in my eagerness I wrote dashboard also..yup it was a rip off of Konfabulator after all

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kirangp said:
@aryayush

U tell about stability...IN MAC OS hardly there will be few applications available for a particular job & most created by Apple..But in Windows there will be hundreds & there in lies the problem...All these programs are not created by Microsoft..all r created by 3rd party developers with all registry entries,files & the more number of programs u have less is the performance

The available applications in mac do all the work you need and they do it in the best way. If you need any app, you can get it from the internet.

And dude tell me one thing...who will receive the most number of curses,hatemails for not playin well in cricket...will it be Virender Sehwag or some Ranji Player?? Obviously Sehwag...& that here is MS...The more the popular the more r the number of attacks in the form of viruses,exploits etc...And yeah even MACs r also gettin their share 2... hackers & virus writers dont have time for Mac where the usage is just 2-3 % of the market...They can utilize themselves better if they write it for Windows..They can spread the treachery better in Windows..I agree that Microsoft was a bit leniant on the security side 2 but still Apple also is & they only find out the vulnerabilities themselves & patch it up whereas MS are told by hackers about the vulnerabilities & after gettin screwed they patch it up..

yeah. I am famous. kill me.

Windows supporters are trying to escape from virus attack questions saying that windows is popular and hence the virus attacks. Windows security itself is so weak that it's easy to exploit vulns. mac on the other hand is based on FreeBSD Unix. Now, don't say that unix is not popular. It's just that hacking a unix host is extremely difficult and is a near impossible task.

And talkin about MAC updates....every 0.1 version revision Apple charges 129$.. from CHeetah,Puma,Jaguar,Tiger & the upcoming Leopard its the same story...ANd dont tell me that they offer value for money for all these upgrades...most of them will be just enhancements...And the best parts of Tiger that is Spotlight,Dashboard were rip offs of Alpha builds of Longhorn...So it comes nearly 400-500 dollars which is the same cost of Windows Vista & whatever new features we get,we wont be payin anything for that...

HAHA. what? copy from longhorn. this is the funniest comment I ever heard. Even Bill Gates will laugh and laugh if he hears this.

Hey, I think windows vista is free and what you are paying for is for the special "made-for-microsoft" apps called viruses, bugs, adware, spamware.....

To tell u the truth Microsoft is a victim of popularity of its own operating systems...By the time they release a new OS the previous OS wud have been adopted by users that they dont feel like upgrading to a new one..But they do upgrade...Now Windows Xp is defacto,but people were whinning that it didnt offer new noticeable features but people still upgraded..
And as everybody has said...PC upgradation which cant be done with MACS..Yes ys I know MAC systems look like angels but PC can be made to look like that...I have seen some beautiful lookin cabinets...

Oh yes. I totally agree with you. microsoft is a victim of it's own popularity. hahaha.

FYI, the size of latest mac desktop is the size of an LCD monitor that you see in PC world. How many such products have you seen? BTW, mac desktops/lappys are futureproof. They are already high end machines that have so much power in them. if you say mac mini, it's a budget PC from apple that costs just 35k and you can carry it anywhere you want to go.

So what i tell is if u like MACs gud for ya & I like Windows & wud not think of switching to MAC rite now..Windows is just gettin better...And I am with Remond based MS & support them whole heartedly

In the end also I am tellin that MS is also a pain in the arse but still Apple is not far ahead...But MS will catch it...

catch what? vista tried a lot to catch apple's tiger OS but still it's no where near Tiger.And with Leopard coming in few months, god save Vista. If I am correct, you are waiting for either SP1 or drivers for you video, audio, vista supported application, getting annoying "allow/deny" UAC warnings. Are you saying that with such a product, MS will catch Apple?

Apple is years ahead of microsoft because

1) They follow the rule "Innovative (forgot the original word here) software companies should design their own hardware"

2) APPLE ecosystem is based on simplicity, stability and beauty.

3) macboys don't get driver issues

4) macboys don't wait service packs. (MS users: SP1 is released, lets wait for SP2 as there are new bugs and compat. issues)

5) macboys does not depend on hundreds of companies to release their product updates for compatibility with newly released OS.

6) most importantly, macboys don't get the "BLUEDEATH" screen.

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Man! do you seriously think UNIX like/based architecture is far more superior than Windows? Don't live in the dreams dude. I made a point somewhere

Make a badware for Windows and you get applause. Make one for *nix and teri maa ki, teri behan ki

No, I'm not a badware developer but you can always get opinion of some at security forums.

Viruses DO exist for *ix platform too and it has already been proved that even it is vulnerable. A software is made by humans and the developers of Apple's OS aren't God (sorry almighty for pulling you in this thread).

BTW, mac desktops/lappys are futureproof.

What exactly is futureproof? I you may please let me know. Do you mean going out and buying something you may never need and call it future proof?

They follow the rule "Great (forgot the original word here) software companies should design their own hardware"

I guess Linux developer force is doing a great Job by promoting freedom of choice in softwares. MS is doing the same for Hardware atleast. What about Apple? Freedom of choice is a birthright

True, you don't wait for service packs or don't have compatibility issues because Macs support handpicked hardware.

When you say "MS is evil" about the closed-source issue. Where does Apple stand then? Even their boxes are "sealed"

C'mon speak up.

ya me too didnt understand the "Future Proof" part

for example, in PC's, take Intel's 965 series m/b, they support from P4 based to Core 2 Quad processors - now this is "Future Proof"

.
so for more advanced & demanding Softwares (which may launch after 3-4 years), i can upgrade my Proccy. & go back to work

give an example for Mac

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SE><IE said:
Man! do you seriously think UNIX like/based architecture is far more superior than Windows? Don't live in the dreams dude. I made a point somewhere

No, I'm not a badware developer but you can always get opinion of some at security forums.

Viruses DO exist for *ix platform too and it has already been proved that even it is vulnerable. A software is made by humans and the developers of Apple's OS aren't God (sorry almighty for pulling you in this thread).

Read the book "Design of unix operation system" by Bach and you will know why unix is far superior to windows in terms of security and stability

Hint: kernel mode and user mode operations.

What exactly is futureproof? I you may please let me know. Do you mean going out and buying something you may never need and call it future proof?

Futureproof in the sense any app released are tend to seamlessly work with existing hardware (not the microsoft way of seamlessly working with existing hardware) because apple has clear picture of where it should work and how it should work. Because in mac world, applications provided by mac are more than enough. If you need anything more, we have unix apps that can be installed on a mac. Being unix at heart, the applications, thought they look like cpu intensive consume much less resources due to superior job scheduling and processing done by the kernel and also due to the tight integration between hardware and software.

I guess Linux developer force is doing a great Job by promoting freedom of choice in softwares. MS is doing the same for Hardware atleast. What about Apple? Freedom of choice is a birthright

yes. If you want freedom use FSF's appliations on mac. If you want MS's softwares, port them using crossover or wine.

The more pro you are, the more apps you get

True, you don't wait for service packs or don't have compatibility issues because Macs support handpicked hardware.

When you say "MS is evil" about the closed-source issue. Where does Apple stand then? Even their boxes are "sealed"

C'mon speak up.

Who said that mac is closed source?

*www.download.com/2001-2003_4-0.html?tag=dir
*www.download.com/2001-2003_4-0.html?tag=dir

See the list of softwares available and now SPEAK UP

I'm not against Mac but if Windows or Mac or anyone for that matter claims that their product is future proof than it just a bunch of baloney. But Mac's biggest drawback is their pricing...it is too expensive for the ordinary computing Indian to buy a Mac at their present pricing structure. But if they drop their prices to suit Indina market than there will be much more popular plus it will also give Windows a run for their money...hey maybe windows too would than have to drop the prices.

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s18000rpm said:
ya me too didnt understand the "Future Proof" part

for example, in PC's, take Intel's 965 series m/b, they support from P4 based to Core 2 Quad processors - now this is "Future Proof" .
so for more advanced & demanding Softwares (which may launch after 3-4 years), i can upgrade my Proccy. & go back to work

give an example for Mac

buying better hardware for every better software doesn't mean that it's future proof.

Getting new software run on existing hardware without a problem is future proof.

macboys are not changing hardware as much as PC boys do. Why? because of the power.

For example, take PS3. It's future proof. That doesn't mean that we can add more ram, change the processor. That means the potential that this product has makes it future proof.

Take macbook pro or mac pro, (except mini). They are beasts and are designed to work for years to come. The G4 cube is still a powerful machine. If you look at the specs, they seem to be similar to similar products in PCworld but they have more potential in them.
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caleb said:
I'm not against Mac but if Windows or Mac or anyone for that matter claims that their product is future proof than it just a bunch of baloney. But Mac's biggest drawback is their pricing...it is too expensive for the ordinary computing Indian to buy a Mac at their present pricing structure. But if they drop their prices to suit Indina market than there will be much more popular plus it will also give Windows a run for their money...hey maybe windows too would than have to drop the prices.

PS3, nvidia G80, LG bluray/hd-dvd combo player, 802.11n. Aren't these future proof, these are technologies that are going to stay for years to come.

Some say that getting a motherboard that supports an insanely priced quad core processor is future proof and "even the hardware change is not necessary" does not mean anything.

aryayush said:
And Apple does not deal in extremely low end configurations.But if you want a good, stable machine for doing your stuff and can at least spend Rs. 50,000 and upwards, Macs are your best bet.

Ya right, most of the users here have already said, we can get the same performance in PC in just 40k, saving or profiting 10k

I wonder, if PC gaming sux according to Arya etc...then why is it that almighty Apple is doing everything, & even praising everyone to buy a Mac hardware & install Windows on it to play Games

. Again it's proved that Mac & Apple needs PC & microsoft to survive. The switch to Intel CPU was because of this only so that they can get the software ports of Windows/Linux apps easily

It's been said so many times that MacOS X is stable only because of the fact that it runs on properity hardware. the config is sealed....

ambandla said:
HAHA. what? copy from longhorn. this is the funniest comment I ever heard. Even Bill Gates will laugh and laugh if he hears this.

Windows Desktop search, Database like file system (oh wait, it's not yet copied, but will be copied in Leoaprd

), Gadgets (konfabulator here)....

ambandla said:
FYI, the size of latest mac desktop is the size of an LCD monitor that you see in PC world. How many such products have you seen? BTW, mac desktops/lappys are futureproof. They are already high end machines that have so much power in them. if you say mac mini, it's a budget PC from apple that costs just 35k and you can carry it anywhere you want to go.

Ya, u r right.....can u upgrade the CPU in that if u want after 1 or 2 years? No u cannot...not even the HDD & Macs are future proof , you cannot even install a Core 2 Quad in Mac, u cannot upgrade your graphics card in Mac.

Some say that getting a motherboard that supports an insanely priced quad core processor is future proof and "even the hardware change is not necessary" does not mean anything.

2 years down the line the Core 2 Quad QX6700 will be worth 12k only, we can upgrade to this CPU 2 years from now on our existing hardware bought today

About Mac mini, we can get a far more powerful PC then the power of Mac mini for 35k, with something much better then a GMA 950, even a Geforce 7300GT PCIe costs 4.5K

Apple is years ahead of microsoft because

1) They follow the rule "Innovative (forgot the original word here) software companies should design their own hardware"

2) APPLE ecosystem is based on simplicity, stability and beauty.

3) macboys don't get driver issues

4) macboys don't wait service packs. (MS users: SP1 is released, lets wait for SP2 as there are new bugs and compat. issues)

5) macboys does not depend on hundreds of companies to release their product updates for compatibility with newly released OS.

6) most importantly, macboys don't get the "BLUEDEATH" screen.

1) They opied the Kernal from BSD & gave nothing back
2) Which u cannot upgrade
3) Due to runing only limited set of hardware
4) Yeah, they don't. They pay $130 for it
5) Yup, cos nobady cares for Mac, the market is so small to develop for it
6) Yup, again due to reason 3 ^^^^

Futureproof in the sense any app released are tend to seamlessly work with existing hardware (not the microsoft way of seamlessly working with existing hardware)

I am runing Windows Vista ultimate fine with a WEI rating of 3.5 on my 3 years old PC, now this is what I call future proof, oh & this was handpicked too....by me

Hint: kernel mode and user mode operations

Vista
I am saying this publically, you have no knowledge of computing & technology

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gx_saurav said:
I am saying this publically, you have no knowledge of computing & technology

haha. All hail the Einstein of computing and technology.

You better take lessons to decrease your insanely high superiority complexity. okay.

If you think that windows is greatest, keep thinking and you will never know what REAL Computing experience is.

Regular activities for windows user:

check for updates
antivirus check
spamware check
malware check
windows udpates check

open a webpage and get attacked by some virus.

While doing anything on the web, always make sure that you do not click on any pop-up, unintended programs.

Is this what you call "making life easy"?

use unix/linux/mac and you will know what REAL computing is.

FYI, Handpicking hardware is not computing knowledge.
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Look at the top rated downloads for Windows. 90% are related to security. Windows is wasting so much of your time. How many here have used windows for years without reinstalling it after few weeks/months. Do you call this superior? Wake up buddy. Use your brain.

Don't think that apple products are expensive. Think why they are expensive. Dont' think microsoft is great due to it's market share. Think why you are still using it.
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It's really bad to see some saying windows is superiour to any other OS when entire world knows the truth that they are not cannot even copy properly.

FYI, a PC user will always think of getting of a mac. but a mac user always sticks to mac.

Apple is one of the best companies that has high consumer trust.

99% of microsoft users curse microsoft's products.
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Ya right, most of the users here have already said, we can get the same performance in PC in just 40k, saving or profiting 10k

Yes. profiting 10k and losing hours of time trying to keep it secure. What about the amount spent on antivirus,firewalls and other security products?

I wonder, if PC gaming sux according to Arya etc...then why is it that almighty Apple is doing everything, & even praising everyone to buy a Mac hardware & install Windows on it to play Games . Again it's proved that Mac & Apple needs PC & microsoft to survive. The switch to Intel CPU was because of this only so that they can get the software ports of Windows/Linux apps easily

Apple gave bootcame so that users can smoothly migrate to OS X from vista and not because it needs windows to survive. This strategy is resulting in decrease of Windows market share year by year. Check the maket shares now. Apple is eating 4-5% of windows market share each year for the past 2 years and the growth is increasing. Come on, realise now and get a mac and concentrate on your work (just your work)

Re: Go Beyond Vista – It's Time to Get a Mac

ambandla said:
buying better hardware for every better software doesn't mean that it's future proof.

Getting new software run on existing hardware without a problem is future proof.

its not about just running the s/w, its about running them smoothly.

todays s/w & games work seamlessly on current config., but as time passes & "Technology Improves", newer s/w & games will "Need More Power" (RAM, procy....) to work better :wink:

macboys are not changing hardware as much as PC boys do. Why? because of the power.

& maybe coz they are "Insanely Priced"

& very less "Choice"

Some say that getting a motherboard that supports an insanely priced quad core processor is future proof and "even the hardware change is not necessary" does not mean anything.

dude

what i said was if you want more fire power, then a C2Q is the Answer.
& about the "Insanely Price" of C2Q, in "Future" the prices will drop to more "affordable bracket" :wink:

as 8 core processors are under development :wink:

i can start with a P4 (which i already hav) & in few months get C2D & in some year(s) a C2Q

& i dont need to buy a whole new system to get more power :))

same RAM (2GB), same m/b, same HDD, same Gfx. Card (8600gt) - except Processor

= i can run all the bloody games of future

(futre for gfx. card= min. 2yrs.)

i think you got my point

(about 8600gt, &2GB RAM, i'm gettin them in Q4 of 2007

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FYI, Apple is not leader in the laptop and desktop sales in amazon and is already ranked 3rd (correct me if i am wrong) in US branded PC/desktop market share.
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s18000rpm said:
its not about just running the s/w, its about running them smoothly.

todays s/w & games work seamlessly on current config., but as time passes & "Technology Improves", newer s/w & games will "Need More Power" (RAM, procy....) to work better

& maybe coz they are "Insanely Priced" & very less "Choice"

dude what i said was if you want more fire power, then a C2Q is the Answer.
& about the "Insanely Price" of C2Q, in "Future" the prices will drop to more "affordable bracket" as 8 core processors are under development

i can start with a P4 (which i already hav) & in few months get C2D & in some year(s) a C2Q & i dont need to buy a whole new system to get more power

same s/w, same h/w config except Processor

i think you got my point

There is difference between upgrading hardware 'everynow and then' and complete change after few years. Price wise, they cost the same

Gaming is not the only area for PC functionality. It's share is tiny. Yes. Hardcore gamers will stick to handpicked hardware.

The majority of consumers buy a PC and wish to use that for few years without any need to upgrade. Am I wrong here? In such a case, isn't a mac great option coz it already has the best in town and there is no need to upgrade it for next few years.

Logging off now. cya tomorrow.

Technology news section which has again changed to Windows vs Mac thread, admins plz lock this thread. It was started by a macboy & see what they are doing here again & again.

when there's any thread having both "MS & Apple" in the title, then it sure is a Fight Club Thing

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See, I was right when I said every macfan says he doesn't play games or that games are a minor point.

For example, take PS3.

Don't bring consoles here, please. A console is dedicated for games and can survive because games are custom built for them. PS3 is hot off the stove, right? See how Bioshock and Crysis beat the living crap outta it.

Okey, now most people just use computers for normal usage as you say. Whats the use of buying a high-en-future-proof-mac then? Even a celeron can help with normal office applications. Remember the 12,500 bucks PCs by HCL? Even they can hold their stand for "basic usage".
That was if you have a "normal usage". Now, in case you (in generic sense) use resource demanding softwares then you get choice (Hasta-la-vista,baby)
with PCs to make a tailor made beast. Whoever says handpicking isn't a smart (read intelligent) person's cup of tea(or coffee, whichever you prefer) must understand that no-one can offer you the optimal hardware solution except yourself.

The majority of consumers buy a PC and wish to use that for few years without any need to upgrade. Am I wrong here?

Are you trying to point at PC users specifically or the people newly introduced to computers?

Yes. profiting 10k and losing hours of time trying to keep it secure. What about the amount spent on antivirus,firewalls and other security products?

I guess the isolation factor being discussed is between Mac and non-mac users. Not between Windows and Mac users. Your point works for PC owners as well, those on Linux, you know.
In any case, getting some patches is better than remaining isolated from the world just because you are safe that way.

edit: LOL, I forgot its in news section. But that another thread gives me shivers. 2 poeple banned WTF!

the forum is ruled by macboys now, arya was not banned for what he did, for his personal comments, but i was banned

What? I am not a macboy,i even don't know much about mac...

mods please lock this thread for god sake..

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LOL. You got crushed in chakki.

chill yaar, he may have had some misconception

gx_saurav said:
the forum is ruled by macboys now, arya was not banned for what he did, for his personal comments, but i was banned

Please do not spread false information. Both you and aryaayush were miserabled for three days. If you have any problems with any mod's or admin's decision, then you have to sort it out via PM.
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kirangp said:
hmm...well in my eagerness I wrote dashboard also..yup it was a rip off of Konfabulator after all

Normally, I have quit posting in such threads. But, for your information, OS 7 or OS 8 had something called as 'Desktop Accessories'.

From there was born the idea of desktop widgets. Konfabulator was nothing but an improvement of that idea.

Please do verify facts before posting your views.

If any one wants to continue talking sense, and about the topic, then I will re-open this thread. I'm closing it on the request of the thread starter i.e. tech_mastermind.