Gonna buy an iPod....

Hey.

I have after much debate with myself, decided to choose an iPod as my next mp3 player. But i can't decide which one. My choices are the new iPod nano
[8 gig] or an old iPod video 5.5g [30 gig]. Don't get me wrong,I like the new nano, but considering the fact that in the black market the older 30GB 5.5G is available for around the same price or maybe a little more, I am really confused.

Advantages of 5.5G:

4 times the space
25% bigger screen
Bigger click wheel
UI is faster
Supports rockbox.

Advantages of 3G Nano:

Small and thin
Front is not as scratch prone as 5.5G
Better battery life.

There you have it. I really don't care much for cover flow or the prettier UI. I actually prefer the old one coz it's faster and more text is accomadated in one screen,and I don't have to bother about getting every damn album's cover art.

And if I do get a 5.5G one, it will be white. So i don't think scratches are too much of a problem there..... at least on the front, and i guess i'll just get some kind of a screen guard for th back and the screen.

Please suggest which one. Or even better, suggest an alternative. I have already considered the zen [buttons are cheap] zen vison w [way too bulky] and zen vision [too bulky].

its up to u..for better sound quality u can opt for zune or the creative..but if u want falunt value go fr the ipod..do u really need 30 gb of space??..

i think the nano should do just as well...and its on a newer build and software...

Zune is too expensive [the new one] in India and it has a smaller screen

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I couldn't care less about flaunt value. No, i don't need 30 gigs of space, but it would be nice to have some of it to backup some of my stuff and have a little extra for a couple of movies. But i do need the bigger click wheel, bigger screen and faster UI.

get the creative zen na..i guess it cums at the same price..or get urself the SE W950

well..i guess then u can go ahead with the ipod..just change the earphones..the bundled uns are crap...

either buy a 6G or the 3rd gen nano

6G is at the same cost as that of 5.5G and is big on space; apple no longer makes/supplies 5.5G what u will get now are the not sold

Off topic: Is archos 605 wifi available in India now maybe in Palika. I am looking forward to buy it.

Are you saying the 80 gig classic comes at the same cost as a 8gig nano?

What kind of logic is that? 10 times the space + bigger screen for same cost?

ring_wraith said:
Are you saying the 80 gig classic comes at the same cost as a 8gig nano?

What kind of logic is that? 10 times the space + bigger screen for same cost?

no what i meant is that the 80gig classic is a 5.5g replacement product and comes at the cost at which the 5.5G was sold

where did i say that the classic comes at the cost of an 8gig nano

the 5.5g is outdated now ...

iMav said:
either buy a 6G or the 3rd gen nano

6G is at the same cost as that of 5.5G and is big on space; apple no longer makes/supplies 5.5G what u will get now are the not sold

+1

buy a creative zen if you will be on the move often or else an ipod classic

cos zen and nano has flash drives so they are more reliable when running moving frequently etc (like in a gym)... but if u want more space and can be a bit more soft on the usage of your player go for the HDD ones...

I strongly recommend creative zen instead of nano

p.s. @ ring_wraith: Zune 2's screen is larger than ipod classic

ring_wraith said:
i do need the bigger click wheel, bigger screen and faster UI.

well then i think you answered ur own question.......don't you think?

go for the 5.5g

You have to ask these questions to yourself:
1. How much video do you intend to watch on it, if at all?
2. What is the size of your media collection?
3. Will there be any jerks and shocks involved, i.e. do you intend to use it while you're running, playing outdoor sports, etc.?

dude watever u do dont go for the 5.5G or the 5G ... 6G is current go for it .... or go for the nano ... the nano in my opinion is better if u travel a lot in trains/buses etc ... go for the 6G if u want to double it as ur portable hard disk

Actually, I have been reading a lot more creative zen reviews and I really love it. Are the buttons really that bad?

ring_wraith said:
Actually, I have been reading a lot more creative zen reviews and I really love it. Are the buttons really that bad?

Creative Zen is in all manners better then iPod nano

Yep.. Creative zens are too good. U can get a 4gb zen in 5-6k perhaps. The buttons hav a good feel too.

sam9s thanks a lot for the detailed answer. But I have to disagree with you on the sound quality thing. The sound quality is :

iriver>cowon=zen>iPod

Is the iRiver clix 2G available in India? If it is a I am already sold. I absolutely love that thing.

Though sound quality is a fairly subjective issue, I don't think you'll find a lot of people who agree with you that iRivers, Cowons and Zens sound better than iPods.

i agree to ring...i have the ipod and its bass reproduction is terrible..even with good quality headphones...
now i prefer using my hpone rather than having a standalone mp3 player..

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I've a Zune and an i-pod classic and have also used nano and in my opinion, Sound Quality of Zune is simply awesome and the i-pod feels quite offshade when compared with it. Igot the i-pod just for its sleekness and looks or else even watching videos was very comfortable on Zune although i-pod has got a sharper screen due to its smaller size (Same resolution)

Okay, heres what i mean.

Using the same earphone , not the bundled ones, the order of sound quality is :

iriver>cowon=zen=zune>iPod

every review I have read on the iPod says that it's audio quality is decent and definetly not best of the best. Whereas every iRiver review I have read says it's the best on the market....

[offtopic]

"Love is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one"
-iMav

LOL! That quote in your signature wasn't said by iMav. Albert Einstein said that "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one".

iMav simply replaced "reality" with "love", which does not even make any sense. :lol:

[/offtopic]

See i didn't know that.... anyways.... it's persistent not pleasant....

iPod's audio quality being average is a well known one... cowon, archos and creative win in this... but for overall integration no one can still beat ipod.. zune is trying hard...

i actually kinda always hated iTunes. Drag&Drop>WMP11>iTunes for me.

aryayush said:
[offtopic]

LOL! That quote in your signature wasn't said by iMav. Albert Einstein said that "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very pleasant one".

iMav simply replaced "reality" with "love", which does not even make any sense.

[/offtopic]

hey when i actually thought of that i did mention it on this forum itself as:

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a persistent 1 -Albert Eintstein

Love is merely an illusion, albeit a persistent 1 - the Einstein in me

and i take full credit for that little fact of life from me

damn people are using it :shock:

in the words of my college's ex principal -im a bloody genius :twisted:

sam9s said:
I repect your perception, but for me iPod with sennheiser becomes far ahead then any MP3 player. If you appriciate iRiver I dont know how iPod does not sound good to you. There was a marginal difference between the two (AFA the sound quality goes.). Zen I would not even put in to any competition, it was bad, bad for me...........Zune was the next best.......so with sennheiser earphones.......its iPod>iriver=Zune

are you sure? I have read several reviews, everyone including cnet say it sounds fantastic.

Apart from a few websites well known for their hatred for all things Apple, I have never read a review which said that the iPod's sound quality was average. Almost unequivocally, every reviewer has termed it as having excellent sound quality.

I haven't, however, ever used any music player, neither am I an audiophile, so I can't comment on it myself.

What I can comment on is the user interface. Nothing beats the user interface of the iPod.

sam9s said:
reviews can only give you an idea, plus when any subjective decission has to be made like (better sound, better visuals) one should just trust their own eyes/ears, coz same sound/visual quality could be different for different people. I' suggest get the sennheiser earphones, plug it in nano, iriver, zune and zen, play the same song (if possible with the same bitrate) then compare and then comment.......

Though you are correct, there are two things you are overlooking:
1. Not everyone can, or wants to, afford Sennheiser earphones; and
2. When a person is out to buy an MP3 player, it is not generally possible to use each one with your own earphones first and compare them before buying one. So you kinda have to base your decision on those reviews.

^^^
+1

Cnet, probably the king of reviews, said that the iPod sound quality is "middle of the road" while the zen's was fantastic.

Can anyone tell me where I can get a zen demo in banaglore? I can arrange for an iPod to carry with me...

Is Creative Zen available in India? Will we also get the lateste generation of iPod in India? Why is iPod so expensive here in India as compare to US? Is it coz of VAT etc? Most of the stores I checked here at my place have the older generation of iPods!

You'll get the latest generation of iPods in India. As for the expensiveness, well, there isn't much you can do about that.

Well I'm sure it's not available in Hyderabad. I think it maybe available in other cities like Bangalore, Delhi etc. Apart from the Apple website any other place where I can get info about the latest generation iPod and how it's better than the previous generations. Anybody here has the new iPod Nano which has video? How big is the screen?

^^ thanks for hijacking my thread

j/k i don't mind. The new nano has a 2 screen btw. Supposed to be the sharpest screen ever on an iPod.

ring_wraith said:
Hey.

I have after much debate with myself, decided to choose an iPod as my next mp3 player. But i can't decide which one. My choices are the new iPod nano
[8 gig] or an old iPod video 5.5g [30 gig]. Don't get me wrong,I like the new nano, but considering the fact that in the black market the older 30GB 5.5G is available for around the same price or maybe a little more, I am really confused.

Advantages of 5.5G:

4 times the space

25% bigger screen

Bigger click wheel

UI is faster

Supports rockbox.

Advantages of 3G Nano:

Small and thin

Front is not as scratch prone as 5.5G

Better battery life.

There you have it. I really don't care much for cover flow or the prettier UI. I actually prefer the old one coz it's faster and more text is accomadated in one screen,and I don't have to bother about getting every damn album's cover art.

And if I do get a 5.5G one, it will be white. So i don't think scratches are too much of a problem there..... at least on the front, and i guess i'll just get some kind of a screen guard for th back and the screen.

Please suggest which one. Or even better, suggest an alternative. I have already considered the zen [buttons are cheap] zen vison w [way too bulky] and zen vision [too bulky].

whats the price you have been offered for the PMP ? first tell that.

and as always, more space is good. if you install RockBox, you can even use it as a portable HDD and play gba games and run some other small apps made for rockbox. iPod linux is another attractive option.

Which PMP?

ring_wraith said:
Which PMP?

all you are planing to buy.
in the end, its the wallet-vs-features factor that comes to play.

Oh. I can get :

the Ipod nano for around 8k, same for iPod video and zen, i dont know

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Why can't i get the old ipod video 30 gig for the same price as a new nano 8 gig?

No, as I've already asked. where can I find a zen in Bangalore?

Just like how iPod is costly in India will that same thing apply to Creative Zen? Will that be more expensive than in US? Can someone post me the price of Creative Zen here?

Yes, it will be more expensive than in the U.S.

sam9s, I've already called them up, they said they don't have the 8 gigabyte version as of yet. Thought I will go to national market and check it out there...

Hey Ring_wraith can you give me more details about the one that you checked in the shop? Can you let me know if you are looking for Creative Zen?

I din't go, i called up, they said that they have only the 4GB version. Yes I am looking for the zen, and if I find it and it is close to the price of the new iPod nano, then I will most probably buy it, unless someone here convinces me otherwise.... but I will get a demo first...

The Zen will probably be cheaper than the nano.

aryayush said:
The Zen will probably be cheaper than the nano.

seeing all facts, I suggest cling to the iPod 5.5G 30 GB and buy it. Its the best you can get. RockBox will only make it jucier.

The price difference is too high man for Creative Zen here as compared to US. For example
Creative Zen V Plus 1 GB costs Rs 3800 in India & in US its $ 59.99(Rs 2,400)
Creative Zen V Plus 2 GB costs Rs 4500 in India & in US its $69.99(Rs2,800)
Creative Zen 4 GB costs Rs 8000 in India & in US its $99.99(Rs4,000)

ajayritik said:
The price difference is too high man for Creative Zen here as compared to US. For example
Creative Zen V Plus 1 GB costs Rs 3800 in India & in US its $ 59.99(Rs 2,400)
Creative Zen V Plus 2 GB costs Rs 4500 in India & in US its $69.99(Rs2,800)
Creative Zen 4 GB costs Rs 8000 in India & in US its $99.99(Rs4,000)

thats why I recomended iPod Video 5.5 G 30 GB. You get much more screen and space in it, you don't need to worry about the memory going kaput after a few hundred thousand write cycles, and you can make partitions in it, use it as a portable hard disc, as well as play games in it. You can even boot from it.

ajayritik said:
The price difference is too high man for Creative Zen here as compared to US. For example
Creative Zen V Plus 1 GB costs Rs 3800 in India & in US its $ 59.99(Rs 2,400)
Creative Zen V Plus 2 GB costs Rs 4500 in India & in US its $69.99(Rs2,800)
Creative Zen 4 GB costs Rs 8000 in India & in US its $99.99(Rs4,000)

Yeah, it's pretty much the same situation for most electronics.

^^ oh man that sucks..... The zen 8 gig costs 199$ i.e. 7,800 bucks and a 4 gig costs 8k ?????

I guess 30 gig video it is.... and throwing away all humility I do consider myself an audiophile, in this respect do the iPods suck big time?

aryayush said:
Yeah, it's pretty much the same situation for most electronics.

dude, India !

anyway, why are many suggesting the iPod Nano ? Whats there in a measly 4-8GB ? If you buy a pmp, you will slowly start deciding to take entire movies with you and will finally take a backup of your media library from your HDD. thats why iPod capacity keeps increasing and guys keep asking for more.

Hey all friends here can you tell me from where did you or from will you purchase the iPod? I have heard about Forum Mall in Bangalore and also some store in Mumbai which sell it in black. Can someone post me the details as to where its available in Bangalore and Mumbai. Please dont post me the link of the Apple website where it gives the list of Resellers in India. I want anything apart from that. Where would I get the 5.5 G 30 GB Ipod?

Get the iPod Classic 80gb. It has good sound quality, good quality display with decent size for video playback, plenty of space, excellent UI, and good battery life. Plus at around 10k its excellent value for money.

ajayritik said:
Please dont post me the link of the Apple website where it gives the list of Resellers in India.

Why, what's wrong with it?

It's spelled "iPod", by the way, not "Ipod".

@MetalheadGautham,
Some people don't have huge libraries. Mine, for example, only amounts to about 680MB. And some people want a tiny player that they can carry around everywhere they want and which can handle some abuse.

Plus, believe me, no one wants to run Rockbox or iPod Linux or whatever.

Totally Agree with Arya . I totally love my iPod Nano and although the 2GB is now becoming a bit of a problem , i'll be buying a bigger size iPod Nano only

btw , Who said iPod Nano doesn't run iPodLinux , i run it on mine .

WOW! I found two whole people who run Linux on their iPod. Man, this is a big day! :shock:

^^ actually, the PSP does have sound quality that surpasses the iPod's by a mile, and video quality that surpasses it be several miles

but it has very less features, you can't even sort by artist or album, you gotta have folders for it, and you can't create playlists on the go.....

aryayush said:
@MetalheadGautham,
Some people don't have huge libraries. Mine, for example, only amounts to about 680MB. And some people want a tiny player that they can carry around everywhere they want and which can handle some abuse.

Well, such people are not generally musicphiles. For you guys iPod Shuffle is enough. Or the T-Sonic 610. Or the Zen Stone. But not all are like you. There are some who have bought the 160 GB iPod only because they actually keep rips of every movie they own in it. There is nothing better than watching a movie in a crowded bus :lol:

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My Music/Video collection is over 200 GB, but its a different issue that my HDD is only 80 GB and I have a T Sonic 610. Most of my stuff is in DVDs.

aryayush said:
Plus, believe me, no one wants to run Rockbox or iPod Linux or whatever.

thats what you think. Non Apple fans who buy iPods due to informed desicions always install RockBox. perhaps linux is less used. Even those guys who don't have rockbox are influenced into installing it by their peers who show off customisable user interfaces, games, extra formats, etc in the iPod. But apple fans who beleive Apple gives the best they ever need stick with the default firmware.

MetalheadGautham said:
My Music/Video collection is over 200 GB, but its a different issue that my HDD is only 80 GB and I have a T Sonic 610. Most of my stuff is in DVDs.

200 gigs? Holy Shi*

1. ipoldlinux and rockbox both suck in interface and they do that terribly (sucking i mean)

2. the decision of a smaller sized player or bigger capacity is basically on 1s need and cant be based on what some 1 else says -

the factors that make these decisions are:

a. cost
b. whether u travel a lot
c. whether u have a huge music/video library
d. whether u want a portable hdd

now see what fits the bill and go for it; the brand is again a question of personal choice; when it comes to features and value for money iPods are the last thing to look at (the only vfm they have is the "cool" quotient-the chicks totally dig an iPod)

for features there is a huge range of products out of which creative & sony are amongst the top

whats wrong in buying Zune?indiatimes was selling the loder version1 Zune 30gb at around 7-8k iirc with one year travelers warranty(I wonder what that means).I have a Zune and I am more than satisfied.

ANd FYI Cowon has already started selling their PMP's in India officially,they are pretty damn costly though.You should check them out too.

iPods don't have FM tuner which sucks IMO.Saturday nights on 98.3 just rock.

aryayush said:
WOW! I found two whole people who run Linux on their iPod. Man, this is a big day!

I Don't use linux on my iPod to listen to music .

Lets say just to view some text files in the bathroom in the middle of the examination

Zeeshan Quireshi said:
I Don't use linux on my iPod to listen to music .

Lets say just to view some text files in the bathroom in the middle of the examination

Good chote nawab, we used to record answers in mp3 format in mp3 players & listen to them during exams saying "Sir, we are listening to bhajan/FM/Himesh reshamiya/"

^^

that should made a good siggy.

sam9s said:
PSP audio quality better than iPod!!!........ehmm.....No comments....

That is my personal opinion, and on the forums. you are expected to respect everyones

Anyway, the PSP does have better audio quality than the iPod, most people fail to realise it because it is rather low on volume. Also, sadly most people equate audio quality to how thumping the Bass is and how loud something can get. They must learn that audio quality is all about how true to the original sound something is !

Yes video in PSP is miles miles ahead of any PMP and yes you cant sort by artist or album, but you can create playlists. On the other hand in iPod you cant create folders, you can only create playlists, for me that was irritating. Plus you have a li-ion battery that isnt so easy to replace. Cant charge via normal charger (the original one by apple costs 3500!!! and the chinses one would not necessarily work.) You have to delibrately use that stupid itunes to share music, not to forget the pathatic battry life while playing video and.....blah..blah.. blah....what I mean is there are both aspects in every hardware. Apart from all this I still use only iPod for music simply because of it shear music quality. PSP on the other hand has a decent audio quality and LOADS N LOADS of features, if I start listing things you can do with a PSP you would be amazed (thanks to the god of hackers who have ripped apart the PSP hardware/software to make it a truly verstile PMP).....

I said OTG playlists, which you cannot create on a PSP, which happens to be a feature I find essential.

Also, you say you can sort by artist and album.... let's say you want to listen to a audioslave song but don;t know which album it is in, and the only way to look at all the audioslave songs at once would be to have all your audioslave songs in one folder, then you can't have an album listing for audislave coz you would need separate folders for those. That IMO sucks.

And i do own a psp, so no point trying to tell me that you can. And yes i have hacked it and i have looked and looked for brew that will give me better music organisation features but haven't been successful.... I completely agree that the PSP is indeed a multi-faceted device that has given me hours and hours of modding fun.... but this discussion is purely about music.

btw, its spelled "sheer".

sam9s the iPod Classic does have good battery life. CNET managed 45 hours of audio playback and nearly 9 hours of video playback on the 80gb model under realistic conditions.

^^ 45 hours? That calls for another Holy Shi*

Sam9s... I was actually thinking of seeing how much a zen 8 gb can be had for..... If it close to 8-9k, i will totally go for that.

and about the "shear" thing, that was a general clarification. Most people don't know the difference between sheer and shear. No hard feelings.

aryayush said:
Why, what's wrong with it?

It's spelled "iPod", by the way, not "Ipod".

Dude I know its not Ipod and its iPod. If you check my posts in most of them I have given as iPod. But only in one of the lines I gave as Ipod.

Regarding my previous post about iPod Classic 80gb battery life, i think there must be something wrong with the CNET figures because Apple site states it as 30 hours for audio and 5 hours for video. Still i think it qualifies as good. Sam9s you can eat that hat of yours now.

Though I don't think 45 hours is right, iPods have been known to give better battery backup than claimed by Apple.

The battery life is improved in the newer version of iPod. Plus it also depends on the screen brightness, format/resolution/fps of the video played back. Most online figures are with default brightness. You must have set your brightness on max level.

Well, very major update..... kinda reckless, but :

I BOUGHT THE ZEN!! woot!!!!!

I got it for an incredible 7.5k for the 8gig version at gandhi bazaar. I can't say anything yet about audio quality as i've just returned and have to chrg it fot 4 hours.

First impressions : I was kinda worried that the buttons would be as cheap as everyone said they were, but they are great, and really easy to use. The screen is gorgeous. The front smudges easily but scratches are not to be found and it doesn't look like it will scratch anytime soon.

Will post an update regding sound quality 2moro and expect a full review soon.

Glad I am not one of the 10-kajillion other iPod users!

Well actually the iPod does come with a brightness adjustment. I've read about it on CNET review. I've even read that when the 5.5G iPod came which had a brighter display, its brightness at default level was equal to the brightness of the 5G at max level. The videos do affect the battery life. High resolution/bitrate files require more processing power and hence consume more battery.

ring_wraith congrats! I don't believe it that you got the 8gb version for only 7.5k. How much was the 4gb version?

Neither did I!

yahi to hai gandhi bazaar ka kamaal!

The 4gig version was not available in any of the shops I checked, but i'm guessing you can easily get it for around 6k.

Ring wraith congrats on the new Creative Zen that you bought! Dude can you find if I can get anything for less than 5k. It would be nice if you can check on that.

sam9s said:
well atleat my 30GB version has no brightness adjustment,..

an ipod 30gig has brightness adjustment if its not there uv been ripped ...

settings->brightness

dude iv been reading ur comments and now this 1 .... if u dont know how to even change the brightness on an ipod then ud rather stay away from commenting on the ipod ... coz ur comments amount to what on the net is known as FUD

lol..... fud... the only thing worse is spam.

^^Nice siggy there ring(I wonder the source of stats though),I am one of those 1% but I hate copying stuff,so....But I do listen to rap too(fort minor,styles of beyond and all).

I am expecting a full blown review from you.How is the sound quality?How are the earphones provided with it?

people are actually confused about what rap actually is its not supposed to be main stream music it is as the name is Rhythm and Poetry not music

it has a huge acceptance because of its hardcore/rebellious/gangster image and there by sells more than norah joans

<offtopic>Raps are nice but only the ones by Eminem. I don't listen to the others. Eminem's rapping rules! Some of the pop is nice too. But I wonder what everybody's idea of real music is. Isn't it simple, different people, different tastes. Not everybody likes the same genres.<offtopic>

<offtopic> ^^Man totally. The only rappers I listen to are em and fort minor.

Don't worry guys, full review soon. Thanks a ton to everyone who posted in this thread offering any advice whatsoever.

Mods, feel free to close. Mission Accomplished.

ring_wraith said:
Well, very major update..... kinda reckless, but :

I BOUGHT THE ZEN!! woot!!!!!

I got it for an incredible 7.5k for the 8gig version at gandhi bazaar. I can't say anything yet about audio quality as i've just returned and have to chrg it fot 4 hours.

First impressions : I was kinda worried that the buttons would be as cheap as everyone said they were, but they are great, and really easy to use. The screen is gorgeous. The front smudges easily but scratches are not to be found and it doesn't look like it will scratch anytime soon.

Will post an update regding sound quality 2moro and expect a full review soon.

Glad I am not one of the 10-kajillion other iPod users!

Great buy dude. I had seen a 4gig zen for 6.4k at Croma recently.
Post a few pics if u can.

sam9s said:
you are totally out of your mind, do you own an video iPod, I guess not otherwise you would'nt have said that. There is no brightness under setting , there is just backlight Timer and I dont need your expertise comment to know my iPod (maybe in the 80GB version or nano but no in the 30GB one). And there is no question if getting ripped, bought stright from Apple.

Here check this out, the third image shows setting with backlight timer.......and I would suggest to refrain your self from passing the judgement without knowing whom you are dealing with........I hope I made myself clear.......

ok im trying not to be rude to u but u need to know what ur talking and u need to know whom ur talking to

*a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/51/3043221180996603/www.info.apple.com/images/kbase/304322/304322_1.jpg

*docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304322

as far as who i am dealing with dude u have no idea who u r dealing with

here u go here is a big 1600x1200 image for u showing u the brightness menu of the ipod

dont let the looks fool u its 30GB 5G version.

*img147.imageshack.us/img147/8857/dscn2315yl2.th.jpg

^^ ouch..... [winces]

actuallyiv been missing our little OS wars but uv made my week u know that uv made my week ... thank u very much

i got my ipod on the 15th of september 2006 and after that there have been only 3-4 firmware updates needless to say iv done em all at the same time iv had this little feature since day 1..... try opening itunes u knw that little audio software from apple and update ur ipod :lol:

man one u have never updated ur ipod two u make statements like have u ever owned an ipod :lol:

...

now let me make this very freaking clear to u .... THE IPOD COMES WITH BRIGHTNESS CONTROL urs for some reason didnt .... firmware updates of the ipod are not meant to unlock features there is no specific update that brings the brightness control

ur case was rested the day to tried making 1 (or rather the day i saw u making 1

)

PS: i hope arya or goobi dont read this

ajayritik said:
Is Creative Zen available in India? Will we also get the lateste generation of iPod in India? Why is iPod so expensive here in India as compare to US? Is it coz of VAT etc? Most of the stores I checked here at my place have the older generation of iPods!

Hmm, I got the 160 GB 6G iPod classic in like November 2007. Which city are you in?

Ahem....

[NOTICE] Flame war alert ! Please evacuate thread immediately ! [/NOTICE]

Cool down guys....

sam9s said:
the default video iPod comes with NO brightness adjustment.

Does too. You bought yours when that firmware update with the brightness control feature wasn't yet released by Apple, which was quite a long time ago. As soon as the feature was released, all iPods started shipping with the latest firmware, so the newer 30GB iPods had the feature by default.

You're correct in a certain sense, but it's a "frog in the well" approach. Just because yours didn't ship with the latest firmware and you didn't upgrade to it when it was released does not mean every iPod shipped included the older firmware.

iMav is right; you are wrong.

aryayush said:
iMav is right; you are wrong.

Yikes!

ya

sam9s u have done something that half the thinkdigit community has never been able to do and may be never will be able to do - bring me and aayush on the same page ... great going

atleast theres some positive that can be taken out of this

^^Maybe I should take a screenshot. You really don't get to see that everyday!

hey sams can we put this to rest .... my apologies if u were offended in any way .... i think bringing me and aayush on the same page is a great note to end this thread

kumarmohit said:
Yikes!

iMav said:
ya sam9s u have done something that half the thinkdigit community has never been able to do and may be never will be able to do - bring me and aayush on the same page ... great going atleast theres some positive that can be taken out of this

krazyfrog. said:
^^Maybe I should take a screenshot. You really don't get to see that everyday!

It's no big deal, guys. It's just that iMav is so seldom correct...

sam9s said:
I am trying to update that firmware thing

Trying? It's all automated once you click on one single 'Update' button in iTunes.

buy a 5.5 g

Hey Paul, thanks for the advice man, but I already bought a zen.

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