Good Camera Phone in the Price Range of 20K ?

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Hi Guys,

I am looking for a goods camera phone in the price range of within 20K. Should have good front and back camera, should have a slim body, As much RAM as possible.

Any suggestions?

My list of shortlisted brands in terms of priority is

VIVO
OPPO
REALME
XIAOMI

Fill this:

*geek.digit.in/community/threads/questionnaire-for-mobile-phone-purchase-queries.134349/

Consider Moto Edge 20 Fusion.

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SaiyanGoku said:
Fill this:

*geek.digit.in/community/threads/questionnaire-for-mobile-phone-purchase-queries.134349/

Consider Moto Edge 20 Fusion.

I had a Motorola Phone back in 2008. I hated it. Ever since then I have pledged never ever to buy or use a Motorola Phone !!

augustya said:
I had a Motorola Phone back in 2008. I hated it. Ever since then I have pledged never ever to buy or use a Motorola Phone !!

If you hate a 13 year old phone, maybe consider Poco X3 Pro. Be aware of MIUI though.

Pretty sure that Vivo and Realme didn't even exist then but somehow you have shortlisted them despite their crappiest software.

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SaiyanGoku said:
If you hate a 13 year old phone, maybe consider Poco X3 Pro. Be aware of MIUI though.

Pretty sure that Vivo and Realme didn't even exist then but somehow you have shortlisted them despite their crappiest software.

Yes so from my shortlisted brands above if you can suggest anything that would be great !!

And the questionnaire you have asked me to fill is below.

1. Budget-20K
2. Display type and size-Open to suggestion.
3. Dual sim-Not required
4. Preferred choice of brand-

VIVO
OPPO
REALME
XIAOMI

5. What camera option you want (flash, front facing camera)- Both
6. Preferred operating system? (Android, iOS,Stock Android etc).-Android latest OS
7. Preferred connectivity options (Dual 4G,802.11AC/5Ghz(not 5g mobile network) wifi)- 4G is fine
8. Primary use of handset (multimedia, camera, internet, gaming etc)-Multimedia, Camera, Internet etc…
9. Any specific mobile phones in consideration- VIVO V21e and V20
10. Any other info that you want to share- Should have enough RAM to accommodate future software updates.

augustya said:
Yes so from my shortlisted brands above if you can suggest anything that would be great !!

And the questionnaire you have asked me to fill is below.

1. Budget-20K
2. Display type and size-Open to suggestion.
3. Dual sim-Not required
4. Preferred choice of brand-

VIVO

OPPO

REALME

XIAOMI

5. What camera option you want (flash, front facing camera)- Both
6. Preferred operating system? (Android, iOS,Stock Android etc).-Android latest OS
7. Preferred connectivity options (Dual 4G,802.11AC/5Ghz(not 5g mobile network) wifi)- 4G is fine
8. Primary use of handset (multimedia, camera, internet, gaming etc)-Multimedia, Camera, Internet etc…
9. Any specific mobile phones in consideration- VIVO V21e and V20
10. Any other info that you want to share- Should have enough RAM to accommodate future software updates.

Poco is a Xiaomi sub-brand

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SaiyanGoku said:
Poco is a Xiaomi sub-brand

Why do you say Vivo and Oppo Phones have Crappiest Software ? Do they not have a proper file system ? is it not intuitive ? And how is Poco different from those ? Why do you recommend Poco ? Does it have a better and intuitive software or what ?

raj30 said:
Why do you say Vivo and Oppo Phones have Crappiest Software ? Do they not have a proper file system ? is it not intuitive ? And how is Poco different from those ? Why do you recommend Poco ? Does it have a better and intuitive software or what ?

ColourOS and its derivatives are iOS wannabe and mutilate android too much. Their proper source codes are not released, so there are low number of custom roms, if at all for them. This forces users to stay on old software once "official" support is over.

Xiaomi, and by extension Poco, release MIUI source codes (even if delayed a bit), allow for custom roms while still retaining the warranty and don't break a functionality like fingerprint reader or camera because you've unlocked the bootloader.

The only reason Oppo and Vivo phones have a considerable market share in India, despite having sub-standard hardware, is just because of marketing and offline shopkeepers getting higher kickbacks from the company.

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SaiyanGoku said:
ColourOS and its derivatives are iOS wannabe and mutilate android too much. Their proper source codes are not released, so there are low number of custom roms, if at all for them. This forces users to stay on old software once "official" support is over.

Xiaomi, and by extension Poco, release MIUI source codes (even if delayed a bit), allow for custom roms while still retaining the warranty and don't break a functionality like fingerprint reader or camera because you've unlocked the bootloader.

The only reason Oppo and Vivo phones have a considerable market share in India, despite having sub-standard hardware, is just because of marketing and offline shopkeepers getting higher kickbacks from the company.

What would you suggest else besides Poco and if not Poco ?

raj30 said:
What would you suggest else besides Poco and if not Poco ?

Asus, Nokia and Motorola for near stock android UI, except that Asus and Nokia haven't launched a phone at 15-20k in last year or so. And Redmi Note 10 Pro/Pro Max.

I will say Moto Edge 20 Fusion is worth considering & blindly ignore Oppo or Vivo branded phones, even Samsung A series at that price.

Otherwise, Redmi Note 10 Pro/Pro Max or maybe look at Realme 8 Pro.

Most of this stuff has already been said earlier, I'm just reinforcing those statements.

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SaiyanGoku said:
Asus, Nokia and Motorola for near stock android UI, except that Asus and Nokia haven't launched a phone at 15-20k in last year or so. And Redmi Note 10 Pro/Pro Max.

You said that your reservation about VIVO and OPPO is they are desperately trying to be iOS. I actually don't mind that. Since I own an iPad I am kind of into the Apple Ecosystem already. It is just that I do not want to spend right now on an iPhone that I am looking at an Android Phone. So VIVO and OPPO trying to ape iOS.is kind of blessing in disguise. I absolutely do not mind that.

raj30 said:
So VIVO and OPPO trying to ape iOS.is kind of blessing in disguise. I absolutely do not mind that.

Are you fine with their crap sabotaging the performance of your phone (because that's what their bloat does), being stuck on that forever and not getting any proper updates after 1-2 years (if you are lucky)?

raj30 said:
You said that your reservation about VIVO and OPPO is they are desperately trying to be iOS. I actually don't mind that. Since I own an iPad I am kind of into the Apple Ecosystem already. It is just that I do not want to spend right now on an iPhone that I am looking at an Android Phone. So VIVO and OPPO trying to ape iOS.is kind of blessing in disguise. I absolutely do not mind that.

Even if you leave OS aside, oppo & vivo don't provide best specs for the money as its meant for offline stores & have a lot of middlemen in between, so higher price for the same specs or inferior specs for the same price as Realme or iQoo, which are their sister brands.

At the end, your call.

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SaiyanGoku said:
Are you fine with their crap sabotaging the performance of your phone (because that's what their bloat does), being stuck on that forever and not getting any proper updates after 1-2 years (if you are lucky)?

Not that I am stuck on VIVO and OPPO but they have some interesting Tricks up their sleeve, meaning they offer a lot of cool features, Fun Features in their Phone with the APPS for e.g. You can do a Video recording simultaneously with the Front and Rear Camera, so imagine you are in a Concert (I do not know when will that happen in a Covid World) but imagine you are in a Concert and you are doing a Video Recording you can shoot the Artist from the Rear Camera and at the same you can record the crowd along side you and their reaction at the same time. How cool is that ? That is very innovative. I do not think any of the Xiaomi, RealMe, Redmi or Mototorla offers that kind of Fun Features. That is why it is alluring me !!

raj30 said:
Not that I am stuck on VIVO and OPPO but they have some interesting Tricks up their sleeve, meaning they offer a lot of cool features, Fun Features in their Phone with the APPS for e.g. You can do a Video recording simultaneously with the Front and Rear Camera, so imagine you are in a Concert (I do not know when will that happen in a Covid World) but imagine you are in a Concert and you are doing a Video Recording you can shoot the Artist from the Rear Camera and at the same you can record the crowd along side you and their reaction at the same time. How cool is that ? That is very innovative. I do not think any of the Xiaomi, RealMe, Redmi or Mototorla offers that kind of Fun Features. That is why it is alluring me !!

what do u do when u video call?.There might be app alternatives for these minor things.I dont even see it as innovative or a feature .any phone with camera on both sides can do it.It is prolly a copy of mixcam app from ios.

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K_akash_i said:
what do u do when u video call?

Video Call is a different thing. Can you do Double side Video Recording when you are shooting a Video ? No ? Right ??

there will be app alternatives for this ,dont buy a phone for this lousy feature

raj30 said:
Video Call is a different thing. Can you do Double side Video Recording when you are shooting a Video ? No ? Right ??

iirc nokia came out with this feature in the past

I for one will never prefer a phone which pushes ads in notification or any other way on screen. I already face enough ads in my life on general basis, would rather keep phone clean with near stock UI. Another thing to keep in mind is android phones get sluggish over period of time, on top of that if the phone resources are being used to keep a flashy UI working instead of powering a basic smartphone functionality like launching a browser, takes 5 secs then the company doesn't really care about user experience. But if a person changes phone every 1-2yrs then phones like Oppo Vivo might suit them since they are a bit affordable and flashy.

TheSloth said:
I for one will never prefer a phone which pushes ads in notification or any other way on screen. I already face enough ads in my life on general basis, would rather keep phone clean with near stock UI. Another thing to keep in mind is android phones get sluggish over period of time, on top of that if the phone resources are being used to keep a flashy UI working instead of powering a basic smartphone functionality like launching a browser, takes 5 secs then the company doesn't really care about user experience. But if a person changes phone every 1-2yrs then phones like Oppo Vivo might suit them since they are a bit affordable and flashy.

yes more waste to the dumpster

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TheSloth said:
I for one will never prefer a phone which pushes ads in notification or any other way on screen. I already face enough ads in my life on general basis, would rather keep phone clean with near stock UI. Another thing to keep in mind is android phones get sluggish over period of time, on top of that if the phone resources are being used to keep a flashy UI working instead of powering a basic smartphone functionality like launching a browser, takes 5 secs then the company doesn't really care about user experience. But if a person changes phone every 1-2yrs then phones like Oppo Vivo might suit them since they are a bit affordable and flashy.

Do you mean to say Phones like VIVO and OPPO send you notification with ADS even when you are on a Message APP ?

I am not sure what is the extent of ads but I have heard they send ads in notifications so people generally unlock phone to check what message they have received but its actually just an ad.

raj30 said:
Not that I am stuck on VIVO and OPPO but they have some interesting Tricks up their sleeve, meaning they offer a lot of cool features, Fun Features in their Phone with the APPS for e.g. You can do a Video recording simultaneously with the Front and Rear Camera, so imagine you are in a Concert (I do not know when will that happen in a Covid World) but imagine you are in a Concert and you are doing a Video Recording you can shoot the Artist from the Rear Camera and at the same you can record the crowd along side you and their reaction at the same time. How cool is that ? That is very innovative. I do not think any of the Xiaomi, RealMe, Redmi or Mototorla offers that kind of Fun Features. That is why it is alluring me !!

K_akash_i said:
there will be app alternatives for this ,dont buy a phone for this lousy feature

+1

Nokia has this & I remember Samsung trying this back in S4 days. There should be apps to do such niche stuff, honestly, people won't use that feature much. It makes for good marketing, which is what Oppo & Vivo spend a lot of money on.

raj30 said:
You said that your reservation about VIVO and OPPO is they are desperately trying to be iOS. I actually don't mind that. Since I own an iPad I am kind of into the Apple Ecosystem already. It is just that I do not want to spend right now on an iPhone that I am looking at an Android Phone. So VIVO and OPPO trying to ape iOS.is kind of blessing in disguise. I absolutely do not mind that.

That does not look like iOS, rather a cheap version with just icons and animations. The performance is low.

With oppo and vivo you also get a lot of bloat, for eg. You get the uninstallable browser which gives stupid and not so good notification. Then comes there own app store, which forces you to download from there instead of playstore.

After that there is also crap like oroaming in oppo phones. They also come with there community apps.

There is also a app by name of phone manager which is very suspicious app considering it cannot be disabled and does not delete any malacious APK. It just keeps on notifying about full storage.

In Mi, oppo and realme phone there is one more problem, in the lockscreen itself there is something by the name lockscreen gallery. It is basically just full of advertisement and difficult to disable.

Saying this after using both oppo(realme 1 and realme 5) and vivo(v51s).

because of this crap, i prefer stock and still use a motorola

you could try Samsung M31s or even M51-both of them have good cameras,the latter being the best of the two.

If you care about proper after sales service and dont support communism or totalitarian regimes then don't go for realme/redmi/(any other me)/vivo/oppo etc

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quicky008 said:
you could try Samsung M31s or even M51-both of them have good cameras,the latter being the best of the two.

If you care about proper after sales service and dont support communism or totalitarian regimes then don't go for realme/redmi/(any other me)/vivo/oppo etc

I absolutely do not support totalitarian regimes lol ! But my basic necessities of Life comes First. I do not have anything to lose or gain of what is happening in. Xinjiang.

Having said that, I have been recommended her Redmi Note 10 and 10 Pro buy guys here.

I would love to look at what Samsung has to offer in my price range ?

quicky008 said:
you could try Samsung M31s or even M51-both of them have good cameras,the latter being the best of the two.

If you care about proper after sales service and dont support communism or totalitarian regimes then don't go for realme/redmi/(any other me)/vivo/oppo etc

M51 is good, but beware, Samsung has jumped the notification nagware train & disabling it can only be done on first boot, unlike Xiaomi. So if you set up Samsung M/A series phone wrong the first boot, you have to reset the phone.

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@SaiyanGoku @omega44-xt and others who have replied on this thread.

I am leaning day by day

more towards Redmi Note 10 Pro. It looks like Value for Money with some Cutting Edge Technology which not all the Phones in that price range offer things like 120 Hz Display, Which even iPhone is yet to have it. But I am a little worried about growing concerns and feedback coming on the Redmi Note 10 Pro of Phone Overheating. Which even a lot YouTubers are claiming it the overheating thing. What do you guys have to say about this ?

augustya said:
Cutting Edge Technology

Cutting Corner Technology

augustya said:
@SaiyanGoku @omega44-xt and others who have replied on this thread.

I am leaning day by day more towards Redmi Note 10 Pro. It looks like Value for Money with some Cutting Edge Technology which not all the Phones in that price range offer things like 120 Hz Display, Which even iPhone is yet to have it. But I am a little worried about growing concerns and feedback coming on the Redmi Note 10 Pro of Phone Overheating. Which even a lot YouTubers are claiming it the overheating thing. What do you guys have to say about this ?

Didn't hear much about overheating but it will heat up while gaming, esp with 4G turned on, any smartphone will. The major issue I heard of is proximity sensor or lack thereof.

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omega44-xt said:
Didn't hear much about overheating but it will heat up while gaming, esp with 4G turned on, any smartphone will. The major issue I heard of is proximity sensor or lack thereof.

This guy at 1:19 says Battery is not long lasting and the Phone Heats Easily.

Hi, I don't want to open another thread for a simple question.
Should I get iPhone 12 128GB or S21 128GB ? Camera is my preference here.

bubusam13 said:
Should I get iPhone 12 128GB or S21 128GB ?

iPhone 12 128GB any day.

bubusam13 said:
Hi, I don't want to open another thread for a simple question.
Should I get iPhone 12 128GB or S21 128GB ? Camera is my preference here.

First of all, wrong thread. Maybe use this:
The Complete Smartphone Buyer's Guide

But a new thread doesn't cost you anything, so can be made.

Coming to question, I'd say OS & design are major things to consider as both have very good cameras. Just check multiple comparisons online on those phones.

The exynos of S21 isn't a great chip IMO, nor is S888. If you are looking for a compact option, then you are out of luck. Otherwise, my suggestion for most people is to get S20 FE 5G for the flagship experience. It has the same main cam & similar ultrawide cam as S21 & S21+.
Compare Samsung Galaxy S21 5G vs. Samsung Galaxy S20 FE 5G vs. Apple iPhone 12 - GSMArena.com

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bubusam13 said:
Hi, I don't want to open another thread for a simple question.
Should I get iPhone 12 128GB or S21 128GB ? Camera is my preference here.

Please have some Forum Etiquette ! Do not Hijack my Thread !! Start your Own !

augustya said:
Please have some Forum Etiquette ! Do not Hijack my Thread !! Start your Own !

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bubusam13 said:
Hi, I don't want to open another thread for a simple question.
Should I get iPhone 12 128GB or S21 128GB ? Camera is my preference here.

You can't buy those in 20k unless they come from questionable sources.

SaiyanGoku said:
You can't buy those in 20k unless they come from questionable sources.

2-3 days back, saw someone offering a real steal deal of iPhone 12 pro max 128gb, macbook, earpods, watch and one more thing i forgot - all for Rs.20000/- only. page had video proof from someone who said he got an iphone at dirt cheap price.
have been seeing a lot of them and many more people crying for their money.

vidhubhushan said:
2-3 days back, saw someone offering a real steal deal of iPhone 12 pro max 128gb, macbook, earpods, watch and one more thing i forgot - all for Rs.20000/- only. page had video proof from someone who said he got an iphone at dirt cheap price.
have been seeing a lot of them and many more people crying for their money.

Keep reporting those scammers.

^^ YouTube is also full of this.

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