GTX560 will be launched in less than a month. so if you can wait 1 month, i am sure the card price will be down to 11.5k. GTX 560 reportedly coming on May 17
May be, but I don't think it is gonna provide some revolutionary performance. Remember, some factory Oced version of HD 6870 even catch a GTX 560 Ti in clock speed. So HD 6870 is looking the most attractive for now.
Buddy finally you are making the move . Okay i won't recommend the 560 (upcoming) because of your psu. 400w is kind of insufficient and fsp saga II series are not underrated like corsair cx400 or vx 450.
6870 is a powerful gpu and will suffice all your requirements. I know this better than anyone here (apart from cilus) because i have seen how his single gpu performed. Metro ran on very high and dx11 settings.
So no doubt your choice is brilliant cause it simply has no competitor at that price. Check yantra online for 6870 cause its 12.5k for the sapphire version.
May be, but I don't think it is gonna provide some revolutionary performance. Remember, some factory Oced version of HD 6870 even catch a GTX 560 Ti in clock speed. So HD 6870 is looking the most attractive for now.
Ahh...good for you bro.
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And on that note, even I am thinking of getting a sapphire HD6870/6950. afaik no other brand is givin more competitive prices than sapphire right now. But the problem is that i live in a small town (village, Wardha), and sapphire is not available here and not even at big cities like Nagpur. The only brand that vendors sell is asus (aaa-sus) and fairly i didnt like their prices. Why, a friend of mine was looted into buying Asus HD6850 for Freaking 14350/- (honestly!).
So does anyone knows where I could get a 6870 piece locally cause i am really not into buying online. And neither do I kno what would be the shipment cost from delhi/mumbai to nagpur/wardha.
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Now, have you considered 6950? Am not sure but 1Gb one is available @ 2.2 k more 2GB one, @ 3.5-4k. So thats really adding up the confusion cause I dont think anyone would like to compensate 7-10 (upto 15 and more at some games, less civilization 4) points of frames per second for just two grands.
Yea I know you have a not-so-quite-powerful psu to power 6950, but that'll be a lame excuse, no?
What say?
guys as toad mentioned i am in a big fix. whether to save up 2k more for a 69501gb and sell out my current psu for 1k~ and add another 1k for saga II 500w. but saving takes time
how many of you think i should save up?
and what do you all think of this - *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/graphic-cards/138768-southern-islands-hd-7000-series-maybe-june-july.html
wait???
@ Jas :
As I learnt it myself ... Never wait for technology ...
When I bought my rig(In November end last year) I was planning to buy the 6870 which was freshly launched ... It hadn`t arrived in the market ..
I used to hav atleast 2 trips ro Lamington Road or atleast 5 calls per week to the Lamington road guys for checking the availablilty ... Then came the 6900 series .. Now I`m doing the same for that card ...
U see .. U shuld never wait ...
Buy whats best at ur time ..
Now the only reason I`m waiting is that I have my exams coming ...
Time , Tide and Technology wait for no man !!!! - Vizkid Shakespeare ....
guys as toad mentioned i am in a big fix. whether to save up 2k more for a 69501gb and sell out my current psu for 1k~ and add another 1k for saga II 500w. but saving takes time
@jaz-What psu are you planning to buy?
And you sure you'll be getting 1k for selling your psu??
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@everyone - my point is not to wait for new tech, but to get the best thing you can when you get one.
@jas...if those speculations are true(i mean june-july thing)...then wait for them
meanwhile you will be saving money too.....and by that time , the prices will drop a bit
so its a win-win situation if you wait for july
If you don't mind a previous generation card, Lynx is selling XFX 5870 1GB for 12K incl shipping. You may take a look at that. Details here:-
XFX 1gb Graphic card 1GB 5870 is available @ LYNX store for 12000/- including shipping. Mail us at onlinesales@lynx-india.com for placing an order. ― Lynx - The Audio , Electronics And Computer Online Store In India
Very good. Although I know my CPU is acting like a crab I can't explain it with proof but Dirt 2 feels really different with the DX11 effects. It silk smooth even at 8xAA at Full HD res. Besides the cooler is very silent running. Only during stress testing you will come to know about its existence.
Actually, I personally was very keen to get rid of the 6870 as I felt its a bit underpowered for its price point compared to 6950 1gb or 560Ti. My bigger concern was the length of the card as the AMD ref designs were too long to fit in my cramped cabby. So once Manufacturers slapped the 6950 1gb on 6870 pcb i just grab one. If you can save some more, go for it.
In that case get it from US. Because it is very unlikely Indian prices will be anywhere closer to that. You may also look for a 6870 which is faster than 5850.
I also think so, particularly if you want to go multi GPU or multi monitor in future. However, the 560Ti is a bit cheaper which bring both of them on par. Either way, you won't regret.
That's the case of reference cards. Currently most (probably all) of the 6950 1gb in the market (Sapphire, HIS, XFX) sports custom cooler. These cards uses the 6870 PCB so is much shorter in size and cool running. On the minus side, there's no dual BIOS switch. I do agree 560Ti is cooler among the two although its got higher power consumption.
^^ Yes, 560Ti FTW..... It's not that i am biased towards NVIDIA, but 560 with that price point surely a nice deal and Jaz knows this. But still his FANBOI'SM is not letting him choose Green over Red. (juz kidding)
That's the case of reference cards. Currently most (probably all) of the 6950 1gb in the market (Sapphire, HIS, XFX) sports custom cooler. These cards uses the 6870 PCB so is much shorter in size and cool running. On the minus side, there's no dual BIOS switch. I do agree 560Ti is cooler among the two although its got higher power consumption.
I currently don't have Furmark installed but tried OCCT & Kombustor. Load temp reaches avg 81-82C with the fan speed at 77% (default). Turning the fan at 100% help it lower at couple of degrees. Of course, these are stress tests - in real world gaming it remains around 70-72C. Idle is 45-46C.
What are the temps of your 560Ti? It must be cooler than this.
^^ Yes, 560Ti FTW..... It's not that i am biased towards NVIDIA, but 560 with that price point surely a nice deal and Jaz knows this. But still his FANBOI'SM is not letting him choose Green over Red. (juz kidding)
Depends. If you don't mind going for a slightly older but high end product then the 5870 from Lynx is a killer deal at 12K. if you are just willing to pay 12K and want something newer and don't mind slightly lower performance/lower game settings then go for 6870. If you are hungry for more, go for 6950 or 560.
Depends. If you don't mind going for a slightly older but high end product then the 5870 from Lynx is a killer deal at 12K. if you are just willing to pay 12K and want something newer and don't mind slightly lower performance/lower game settings then go for 6870. If you are hungry for more, go for 6950 or 560.
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Are you sure the product is with free shipping? And is the price tax inclusive? Cause if its not, then i thinkits better to pay a few bucks more and get 6950.
When i first saw the card 5870 on the website, i was like man what a typo!..
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Are you sure the product is with free shipping? And is the price tax inclusive? Cause if its not, then i thinkits better to pay a few bucks more and get 6950.
When i first saw the card 5870 on the website, i was like man what a typo!..
That's what they have written. Although I don't know about the taxes. Even with 5% VAT it comes to 12.6K. Some 2K below the 6950 1gb. Still a great deal if you are restricted by your budget. Another thing, the 5870 is lengthier than 6950 1gb. That may be important for some.
Definitely. If you remember the 68xx series was supposed to be 67xx series and the current 69xx series was supposed to be 68xx series. So 5870 is definitely better than 6850 although the latter has better tessellation. So in DX11 games which will use heavy tessellation the gap would be smaller. But in shader heavy games the 5870 will kill the 6850.
HD 5870 is even better than HD 6870 although 6800 cards have better Tessellation performance. HD 6870 actually sits between HD 5850 and HD 5870. But I am not able to find it at 12K in anywhere of Lynx-india. Could anybody post the link?
Buddy have a look at msi gtx 560 hawk. Its factory overclocked to a whooping 950mhz core clock and is definitely equally as fast as 69502gb out of the box. The cooler is great and temps stay much cooler than the reference model even with such a high pre overclock.
Just check the prices and see if it suits your budget. You will almost get gtx 570 performance from it and it can be overclocked beyond 1ghz as well.
Check its review HERE.
A small quote:
Competition with AMD
Honestly, we expected the AMD Radeon HD 6950 to do better against the MSI N560GTX-Ti Hawk. We underestimated how effective MSI's overclocking of this video card really is. Of course, we didn't overclock the Radeon HD 6950. Right now, you can get a nice XFX Radeon HD 6950 for $210 after a mail-in rebate. That's $50 less than the MSI N560GTX-Ti Hawk. With that gap, the value line blurs somewhat. The HD 6950 dominated in two of our games and tied the N560GTX-Ti Hawk in two other games. In only one out of our five games (Civilization V) did it lag behind its competition. And even without the rebate, it's still $20 cheaper.
Now you would say we can overclock 6950 as well. But the fact is, out of the box, 6950's temps are 79c at full load. Now overclocking this further beyond will take the gpu core temps to alarming levels which might damage the gpu core during long term usage.
At 950mhz, msi hawk was 50c at full load. So it can be overclocked further beyond. Since you won't be crossfiring or going the multimonitor way, the hawk suits you better if the prices are okay.
Else stick with a 6950.
p.s- The review was against a 6950 2gb and not the 1gb version. 2gb version has better aa and post filtering performance than the 1gb version.
I think then this game is not going to end - starting from 6850 at 10K there's a card worthy of purchase at every 1-1.5K increase for the extra performance. Even the 6950 1gb or the 560Ti is over OP's budget.
Buddy have a look at msi gtx 560 hawk. Its factory overclocked to a whooping 950mhz core clock and is definitely equally as fast as 69502gb out of the box. The cooler is great and temps stay much cooler than the reference model even with such a high pre overclock.
Just check the prices and see if it suits your budget. You will almost get gtx 570 performance from it and it can be overclocked beyond 1ghz as well.
Check its review HERE.
A small quote:
Now you would say we can overclock 6950 as well. But the fact is, out of the box, 6950's temps are 79c at full load. Now overclocking this further beyond will take the gpu core temps to alarming levels which might damage the gpu core during long term usage.
At 950mhz, msi hawk was 50c at full load. So it can be overclocked further beyond. Since you won't be crossfiring or going the multimonitor way, the hawk suits you better if the prices are okay.
and such high power consumption for just equaling a 6950 - doesnt actually suit me atleast.
and about ocing 6950 you can always adjust fan profiles.
example - rchi's stock cooled msi with everything unlocked and oced to 6970 levels doesnt reach more than 65C and he is happy with all settings he made like fan profile etc etc.
well guys, just to give a quick update, I've been tweaking away with Afterburner.
On stock volts (1.1V) I am able to match the stock 6970 clocks of 880/1375.
the only issue is that it isn't furmark stable BUT (get this), every other benchie like Vantage, 11, Unigine and all my games run well enough as long as powertune is set at +20%.
with a fan profile set at 70% on load, i get around 65 Degrees and the card idles around 40. Room temps are around 34 degrees so I am quite happy.
Back to gaming at 6950 clocks though its nice to know there's more under the hood.
and i also dont mind a little noise in my system. (atleast i have experiance with my old p4 )
another thing if normal twin frozr 560 is 14.8k at smc
MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozer II/OC
hawk is twin frozr III cooler and i think it will be atleast 15.5-16k..and at 16k MSI TWIN FROZR II 6950 2GB is available. so another plus for 6950.
and my budget is not 16k but currently 12k.
but i do plan to do what piyush baba told about HD7000 -
@jas...if those speculations are true(i mean june-july thing)...then wait for them
meanwhile you will be saving money too.....and by that time , the prices will drop a bit
so its a win-win situation if you wait for july
^^ Then why not try the asus direct cu II @ 13.7k? But you have to go for a beefier psu as it has higher power consumption than 6950. Even i find fsp saga II 500 insufficient for 560 and even 6950.
Its better to go for seasonic 520 or corsair GS 600. Both are 80+ certified. In fact GS is a tad lower than the TX series. They are good psu's.
These psu's will support a single gpu upto gtx 570 and 6970.
batman but direct cu is not there online. and prices vary.
i am waiting for June-July. if HD7000 dont come in news then 6950 1gb for 14.4k at smcinternational with fsp saga II 500w.
otherwise if not able to save then upto 12k.
Jas, I don't think FSP Saga II 500W is a very good option with HD 6950. SAGA II 500 is a basic PSU and good with a lower-middle range graphics card. Now your system already has a Quad core processor which you overclock and most of the quality parts. Along with these components, addition of HD 6950 will actually increase the power consumption.
SAGA II 500 may be able to handle it, I don't think for long run it is good choice.
me2 have the same opinion. when you are spending so much on a GPU, why not go for a (slightly) better one like XV450W or any Seasonic alternate? but then the combo may cross Jassy's budget.
@jassy
well bro if 560 is available for 13k, then its the best deal i guess....coz 6950 costs between 14k-15k IIRC....this way you can go for a better PSU too
Is the 560 really available at 13K? The lowest I have seen is @ Lynx, the ASUS Direct CU II is 13530/- before 5% VAT & shipping. SMC & Yantra Online prices are at 15K-15.5K range. Whereas the Sapphire 6950 1gb is mostly available at 14.5K range, everything included.
^^ AFAIK, Nowhere!!! Lynx has the cheapest 560 @ 14376.50 with VAT & shipping (a Direct CU Model, is has to be a very good overclocker). The Sapphire 6950 1gb is actually cheaper at YantraOnline and just 100 bucks more at Lynx.
Ur choice is always good cause even u know i like HD 6950 2GB lot more than GTX 560ti , cause for my budget i got GTX 560ti . also FSP saga 500 i dont recommend for HD 6950 still save some money get good PSU & get good GPU .
i dont like Ati drivers only (but their cards are really THUMBSUP )
Try to get it locally. Contact your asus distributor and get the cheapest price by bargaining.
Damngoodman999 got is card @ 13.7k. You can get it even cheaper now. Give it a shot.
Sparkle gtx 560ti is 13.5k in my place. I am sure if you hunt it down at your place, you might get a good deal. For psu, go for seasonic 520 eyes closed. Don't consider fsp saga II 500 for gtx 560 or 6950.
HD 7000? Wow, I may be wrong, but I think the 7K series is still atleast four months away, right?
They are supposed to go into production this month, so by the time all the testing and shipments are done, it could be around september, which is when Kepler is supposed to be out as well lol
Don't keep waiting Jas. It's an endless cycle. Get the best card within your budget now.
I also bought. and it is working very well with my Q8200 (not OC) and CM Extream power plus 500W, It gives 60+ fps in Crysis 2 (1920X1080, Hard Core setting), everything looks very very very very Clear,....
HD 7000? Wow, I may be wrong, but I think the 7K series is still atleast four months away, right?
They are supposed to go into production this month, so by the time all the testing and shipments are done, it could be around september, which is when Kepler is supposed to be out as well lol
Don't keep waiting Jas. It's an endless cycle. Get the best card within your budget now.
I also bought. and it is working very well with my Q8200 (not OC) and CM Extream power plus 500W, It gives 60+ fps in Crysis 2 (1920X1080, Hard Core setting), everything looks very very very very Clear,....
budget for psu not anything more than 3000 batman.
FSP blue storm pro 500 is 3k in smc. otherwise at prime or theitwares or delta or theitdepot its 3.6k!! going to mail smc on this now.
BTW guys sold my FSP Saga II 400 for 1250 inc. shipping.
what you think of price i am getting?
Hi,i am new to this forum but @Jaskanwar Singh
the asus reference design 5850 sells for around 12.5k now i heard that is also a good choice over a 6870 if u overclock the asus 5850 via voltage tweak % other things as i think it has a voterra voltage regulator hardware chip on the asus ref card.
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sorry that was the 5870 i was talking about,.link above ^ but shipping will set u aback by a more 150 or so,.so it roughly equals to around 13k or so but imo anyday better than a 5770 5850 6850 & a 6870 that is which u initially had ur eyes on.
Hi,i am new to this forum but @Jaskanwar Singh
the asus reference design 5850 sells for around 12.5k now i heard that is also a good choice over a 6870 if u overclock the asus 5850 via voltage tweak % other things as i think it has a voterra voltage regulator hardware chip on the asus ref card.
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sorry that was the 5870 i was talking about,.link above ^ but shipping will set u aback by a more 150 or so,.so it roughly equals to around 13k or so but imo anyday better than a 5770 5850 6850 & a 6870 that is which u initially had ur eyes on.
Vx 450 is a terrific psu. Its underrated and actually is a 500w unit. At full load it can give 570 watts and its 12v rail provides 33amp of current. Currently i have this psu and i am extremely happy with it.
It can easily power a 6870 and even a 6950 easily. But can't speak about gtx 560 cause it consumes more power. Let others comment on this one.
VX 450 is around 3.5K I guess. And since you are opting for GTX 560 Ti,which is little power hungry, to be on safer side, get the Corsair GS600 available @ 4K only in primeabgb.. It has above average build quality, 3 Yrs of warranty, 80+ certification and most importantly it provides 48 A current on 12V rail. So you can actually rest in peace.
Buddy, check some reviews some regarding Corsair GS series. I have checked review of the Corsair GS800 in overclockersonline and it has excellent rating compared to its price. Through out the test, it provides excellent voltage regulation and 80+ performance, in fact 85% at the half load of the maximum.
So it is a better choice for for high end rig compared to VX 450.
^^ Yes i totally agree. Gs series are not bad psu's like their cx (except cx400) lineup. Its not their topline product but not bad either. They are very good and comes with 3 years warranty.
@ jaskanwar
You should go for the Corsair gs 600 for a gtx 560 TF II.
@Jas
Don't go for warranty always. Tagan is also a reputed brand and you can trust as much as Corsair. But still if you afraid that you will blow up PSU someday, then get Seasonic atleast. Don't tell that Seasonic is available at xxx stores. Go to market and search.
GS series is not the best around but its total vfm.they dont have Japanese caps but from what I've heard(not verified so dont ask for proof) they are solid-state nevertheless.
The GS series is 80 Plus silver rated,making them very good buys in a budget.
GS series is not the best around but its total vfm.they dont have Japanese caps but from what I've heard(not verified so dont ask for proof) they are solid-state nevertheless.
The GS series is 80 Plus silver rated,making them very good buys in a budget.
1st of all. we are not confusing him as we are just discussing about his requirement of PSU and providing different information about it. And we are also making our point too by providing link of reviews.
If we are not agree with your point (actually u are nor providing anything to convince your claims about how bad GS series is, even with the facts) that does not mean that we are confusing the OP.
And Jas is a highly knowledgeable guy and it is very hard to confuse him.
GS series is not the best around but its total vfm.they dont have Japanese caps but from what I've heard(not verified so dont ask for proof) they are solid-state nevertheless.
The GS series is 80 Plus silver rated,making them very good buys in a budget.
Corsair GS800 800W Power Supply - Test Results & Final Thoughts :: TweakTown USA Edition
Corsair gives you just what you would expect from a mainstream 800W power supply. Enough connectors are available for the task at hand, enough power is available for the mainstream gamer/entry level enthusiast, and the price is right for a retail unit. If only the performance was all within specifications, I would gladly label the GS800 as an all around good deal.
Unfortunately the 5V rail on the GS800 just isn't up to specs, literally. The voltages were low from the start and dropped fast as the load was increased. They aren't even close to borderline.
The rest of the power supply was spot on with what you would expect throughout the entire test. Power supplies are all or nothing when it comes to performance and unfortunately this one just isn't all there.
Buddy, it has a rating of 83% in that test you have specified and it is actually a good rating. So can be used with Jas's config without any problem. Obviously it cannot deliver performance compared to the VX or TX series but what is offers is still bang for buck.
VX450 is good but it is little underrated to provide enough power for Jas' would be rig.
I have personal experience with it as my friend is running a HD 6870 along with Phenom II 955 for last couple of months.
Buddy, it has a rating of 83% in that test you have specified and it is actually a good rating. So can be used with Jas's config without any problem. Obviously it cannot deliver performance compared to the VX or TX series but what is offers is still bang for buck.
VX450 is good but it is little underrated to provide enough power for Jas' would be rig.
I have personal experience with it as my friend is running a HD 6870 along with Phenom II 955 for last couple of months.
point is..Corsair GS series is not Corsair's flagship product. less warranty, diminished build quality and less price compared to their vx/tx series counterparts.
if corsair wants..it can rename vx450 to vx500 and vx550 to vx600 and tx650 to tx700.
u should compare GS series to the vx/tx alternative rated 50w less. vx/tx series is still over all superior as far as voltage ripple and efficiency are concerned.
corsair gs series is good for the price but u should rather get corsair's best products.
indeed VX may be very good. i hear they are budget TX.
but the thing is that corsair has removed them from their site,meaning they are discontinued.would you buy something sitting in the shelves for months or something fresh outta the block?
Look, for a long time I'm saying that VX series is superior than GS series. But the thing is at the price point which Jas requires, Corsair GS series offers superior performance because VX450 may fall short.
here I'm not debating about the superiority of the PSUs, because I know that VX series is sueprior, but at the price point of Jas, which one will offer him better solution.
If there is a GS500W available at 2K and VX450 is also there, I were gonna recommended VX450 with my eyes closed.
It is like Per core basis Intel Core i3 540 is far better than Athlon II cores, but Athlon II can deliver still somehow better performance because it has four cores compared to two of Core i3
I have a TX850 and I know how good is it. But with Jas' config VX450 will limit the future upgradability as if it somehow supports GTX 560 Ti, that will be the terminal case and won't leave any option to add components.
And Joker, you don't need to buy the top end flagship products always from a company. being not the flagship product does not ensure poor build quality and bad components. Check the two reviews provided by Extreme gamer where they are considered as one of the best budget PSUs.
The hardware secret guys said that
Even though it only has the standard 80 Plus certification, we saw efficiency up to 85.7%, and we could pull up to 1,000 W from it (even though under this extreme condition efficiency dropped a lot). Voltages were closer to their nominal values than required (3% voltage regulation), and ripple and noise levels were below the maximum allowed.
Regarding your re-branding thing...here both the products are from Corsair and if you can't believe the voltage rating of GS 600, same question can be asked for VX450 also.
So GS600 is highly recommended for Jas' requirement in terms of power requirement as well as the price point.
thanks a lot guys. very useful info from you all.
now i will go through those reviews.
rep+ for you all.
Corsair GS800 Power Supply Review | Hardware Secrets
they mention GS800 as good entry level psu that can deliver its rated power at 51C psu temp, is efficient with below limit ripple and noise.
now seeing others.
The techpowerup review also says GS800 is good psu. Not best but good.
Seeing rest.
The techpowerup review also says GS800 is good psu. Not best but good.
Buddy, it has a rating of 83% in that test you have specified and it is actually a good rating. So can be used with Jas's config without any problem. Obviously it cannot deliver performance compared to the VX or TX series but what is offers is still bang for buck.
VX450 is good but it is little underrated to provide enough power for Jas' would be rig.
I have personal experience with it as my friend is running a HD 6870 along with Phenom II 955 for last couple of months.
No wonder why VX450W handled a HD6870 along with a P2 955
from guru3d :
MSI Radeon 6870 HAWK
Our test system is based on a power hungry Core i7 965 / X58 system. This setup is overclocked to 3.75 GHz. Next to that we have energy saving functions disabled for this motherboard and processor (to ensure consistent benchmark results). On average we are using roughly 50 to 100 Watts more than a standard PC due to higher CPU clock settings, water-cooling, additional cold cathode lights etc.
After long deliberation we decided to move away from FurMark and are now using a game like application which stresses the GPU 100% yet is much more representable of power consumption and heat levels coming from the GPU. We however are not disclosing what application that is as we do not want AMD/NVIDIA to 'optimize & monitor' our stress test whatsoever, for our objective reasons of course.
Now Athlon II X4 635 consumes 180W in x264 HD bench
P2 955 220W
and let's assume i7 920 @ stock consumes 15W more than this ( look at the last image )
So basically a core i7 9xx series consumes 50-60W more than a Athln II X4.
Now anandtech has OCed their core i7 920 to 3.33 Ghz and guru3d guys had oced their i7 965 to 3.65 Ghz - at that speed power consumption will be more than stock for sure and the power consumption difference compared to Athlon II X4's will be more wider.
So how much power Athlon II X4 @ stock ( and cpu's like this with 95W TDP ) + GTX 560 Ti's will consume ? and what should be the most cheapest recommended PSU ??
if a Athlon II X4 consumes say 50-60W less power in games than core i7's it looks like even a FSP Saga II 400/500W can handle a rig with GTX 560 Ti + Athlon II X4
- don't criticize what mentioned in spoiler - it's just a rough estimate and based on some quick hunch - Post your thoughts about the bold marked question
Superb analysis, topgear bro! Even considering the power consumption difference of SSD and HDD, a VX450 or Saga II 500 seems more than sufficient for Jas. Let others comment on this.
Vx 450 is no ordinary 450 psu. Its a 500watt+ unit and is underrated. After seeing topgear's analysis, i think 450 can easily handle athlon2 x4 +gtx 560-ti considering the power consumption will be some 260-270 watt at full load.
TP nice post(rep+). considering that, a Corsair VX450W will suffice for me.
and considering Latest graphics card power requirements
i need 31 amp minimum. and VX450 has 33 amps on 12v+ rail.
but at theitwares VX450 is unavailable. at prime its 3.9k.
and GS600 is 4.1k at prime.
about GS600 -
On Corsair PSUs - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net
The PSH units (VX550/TX750/TX850) are also solidly mid-range. The 750W and 850W are at the maximum of what the PSH platform can provide, and so their performance is less than stellar, especially when it comes to +12V ripple. The VX550 is outclassed by cheaper power supplies, and the TX750 and TX850 aren't usually good bang/buck either, though they are fairly reliable. The GS units are yet to be released; they're basically cheaper versions of the TX/VX line. Compare them to the PSH unit 50W lower, and that's the performance they'll get. They also use a mix of Chinese and Japanese caps, rather than all Japanese.
Superb analysis, topgear bro! Even considering the power consumption difference of SSD and HDD, a VX450 or Saga II 500 seems more than sufficient for Jas. Let others comment on this.
Vx 450 is no ordinary 450 psu. Its a 500watt+ unit and is underrated. After seeing topgear's analysis, i think 450 can easily handle athlon2 x4 +gtx 560-ti considering the power consumption will be some 260-270 watt at full load.
with some cabby, water cooling and and other accessories on their rig.
So with a Athlon II x4 + gtx 560 Ti your power consumption will be less for sure - let's say it's 270W/280W and if you consider leaving 10% more power space as a safe buffer this will be 310W.
So from the analysis we can see a CX400 or even a FSP Saga II 500 can handle such combo.
BUT - if you plan to OC the GPU later then steer clear from these PSUs and get that GS600 as power consumption will rise once you start OCing a GTX 560 Ti and I don't see any reason for not doing it anyway - you will get GTX 570 level performance for free.
BTW, guys how good is this one :
SeaSonic SS-500ES 500W (34A ) @ 3.2k - the price and power rating is just awesome
hey topgear it will be difficult to reach 570 level performance on air.
each chip behaves differently so he will need a very good chip for 570 level performance.
however he should be able to come up to 85-90% of the performance.
i diagree about that FSP PSU.you have to take in mind the capacitor aging.if the manufacturer recommends that you need x amount of amps,then it is the minimum you should get,and if it was me,at least 5A more than what they recommend.
here are links to pics -
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/overclock...ost-your-latest-purchase-277.html#post1407515
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/hardware-...lite-430-discussion-thread-7.html#post1407520
Sapphire HD 6950 2 GB is already available @ 14.3K in M.D. Computers, Kolkata. During last visit, I've verified it. Tenida was also with me. So there is no point for going GTX 560 Ti. This Sapphire model can be unlocked to HD 6970...I have checked some reviews too.
With the shader count of HD 6970, withount any overclocking it will perform near to HD 6970....like a under-clocked HD 6970. I think it is one of the best deals available right now.
Even XFX has done the some. There are several failed reports of unlocking in the newer batch of cards. Some others are reporting high temperature (both idle and load). I got a feeling that just like all the retail 6950 1gb (Sapphire, XFX, HIS) uses the 6870 PCB basically these dirt-cheap 2gb cards are also using some other modified PCB rather than the original one which is somewhat preventing the cards to get unlocked stably. So if the Sapphire card is one of the earlier batches, then its really nice. Heck, its even priced lower than my 1gb card. Before purchasing just make sure you check out the dual BIOS switch actually exists to save some pain in future.
In any case, the 6950 is a hell of a card in its own right. If it can be unlocked to 6970 it is a added bonus IMO.
i have two options -
Sapphire HD6950 1GB - 14k from theitwares
MSI GTX560 Ti Twin Frozr II/OC - 13.9k from smc(currently out of stock, will be available next week with them)
i have two options -
Sapphire HD6950 1GB - 14k from theitwares
MSI GTX560 Ti Twin Frozr II/OC - 13.9k from smc(currently out of stock, will be available next week with them)
actually tkin, its complete confusion.
some games favour 6950 1gb and others 560 TFII.
no clear choices these days sadly.
heard xfx 6950 1gb has lot of heating issues.
and 6950 1gb are better overclockers than 2gb ones? read at overclock.net
Sapphire HD 6950 1GB or GTX 560 twin frozr 2 - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net
actually tkin, its complete confusion.
some games favour 6950 1gb and others 560 TFII.
no clear choices these days sadly.
heard xfx 6950 1gb has lot of heating issues.
and 6950 1gb are better overclockers than 2gb ones? read at overclock.net
Sapphire HD 6950 1GB or GTX 560 twin frozr 2 - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net
no experiance with rashi. yesterday discovered them in my city
Most of us had bad experience with rashi, specially when it comes to rma, but some has good experience like megamind, so its a gamble.
I'd say get 560 TFII, you get physx, and theres nothing to lose by going nvidia, you however lose physx with amd, and a few games use it and some games in future will use it(batman).
Most of us had bad experience with rashi, specially when it comes to rma, but some has good experience like megamind, so its a gamble.
I'd say get 560 TFII, you get physx, and theres nothing to lose by going nvidia, you however lose physx with amd, and a few games use it and some games in future will use it(batman).
Well, in batman you did not get AA with out it, and some effects, for example destructible environment and cloth simulation in mafia II, a few effects in Metro 2033(upcoming game metro last light will use it).
Plus you get CoreAVC to play back H.264 videos etc. Your choice though, but I stand by GTX560 TFII.
Well, in batman you did not get AA with out it, and some effects, for example destructible environment and cloth simulation in mafia II, a few effects in Metro 2033(upcoming game metro last light will use it).
Plus you get CoreAVC to play back H.264 videos etc. Your choice though, but I stand by GTX560 TFII.
One query - how practical is turning on the PhysX effects in Metro 2033 with a 560Ti? Will it give good enough frame-rates at FullHD res and highest settings with some AA?
One query - how practical is turning on the PhysX effects in Metro 2033 with a 560Ti? Will it give good enough frame-rates at FullHD res and highest settings with some AA?
One query - how practical is turning on the PhysX effects in Metro 2033 with a 560Ti? Will it give good enough frame-rates at FullHD res and highest settings with some AA?
First of all full HD on metro 2033 is not possible even with 560ti if you enable dx 11 and max aa, so you need to lower settings a bit, turn of ambient occlusion(or was it DOF?), you can keep the tess on, now the benchmark:
Old thing, was reading the comments with more interest as these are the voices of real users, not some PR guy or like. Here's one:-
HAHAH what a load of rubbish. And it's not like Nvidia hasn't done the same exact thing.
Way back when...the 175.19 driver had nice color saturation and excellent overall quality. Then fast forward to the 180.xx driver lo-and-behold it looks bad.
It was plainly obvious to me that Nvida sacrificed image quality in lieu of FPS, as the games that I used to get 50FPS in, I was getting 100 --but it looked bad (all washed out).
I actually preferred the older driver, and reverted back to it even though I took almost a 50% FPS hit.
On same line, both the teams should turn on AA and AF to fullest by default and also turn on supersampling and tessellation to the highest level to give us the best possible image quality!!!
Jas , with the new 275.50 driver, nvidia's aa performance has increased significantly. In dirt 3, a 560-ti stock was completely playable with 8x msaa and gave 56 fps. But dirt 3 is amd biased and supports amd's edge detection custom aa filter that allowed the 6950 2gb to go higher to 24 cfaa ( custom filter aa). Nvidia doesn't have this option and its setting cannot be overriden.
In fact 560-ti was able to play dirt 3 at fullhd with the highest possible setting. It simply did not have those custom filters cause they were only for amd. It looked gorgeous with 8xmsaa btw and 6870 simply couldn't play the game at those settings.
Besides that was a stock 560-ti. Msi twin frozr II will perform even better out of the box and will stay cooler than stock 560 as well.
Since you'll be gaming at 1920x1080, higher framebuffer isn't needed that much unless you plan to do multimonitor. Afaik, you won't go for a multigpu setup as well.
So 560-ti makes a bit sense here. Besides you can enjoy, batman arkam city, homefront, mafia III, metro last light, mirror's edge 2 ( will use the same frostbite 2 engine used in the upcoming battlefield 3 game) enabling physx. I think all the forum members who bought the card here ( faun, tenida, ithehappy, lordirecto etc) are very happy with the performance.
6870 was also using old 11.5 in that review. with 11.6 its performance has gone up by 10-12%. both companies bring performance improvements through driver updates.
and what i wanted to show by that review is if some games support physx, some support higher aa settings from amd.
and physx isnt my criteria for gpu selection. i want more raw performance and 6950 1gb offers that. thats why i am inclined towards it.
^^ Actually performance of msi twin frozr II 560-TI and 6950 1gb are same. You can go with anyone.
But remember that msi 560-ti consumes 15W more power than 6950 in full load. But 6950 is 20c hotter than 560-ti at full load. So 6950 has higher full load temps and 560-ti has higher power consumption.
Imo 15w more power is no big deal especially in a single card configuration. Its like having an extra 15w cfl bulb glowing in your house.
But 20c more temps is something in the long run. Though you can live with it, but overclocking your card to hundred mhz will allow the temps to jump sky, let say more than 85 or 90c.
Check that before making a buying decision. For 6950, 2gb is the version to go for . But the 1gb version makes little sense cause at fullhd, it performs equal to a 560 especially the factory overclocked versions. Considering the extra benefit you'll get including the same raw performance as a 6950, ( its not like you are losing performance with a 560) i think its the way to go.
Btw 6950 2gb has more aa performance than 6950 1gb. Yes framebuffer plays an important role for enabling post processing filters.
^^ Yes you do that definitely when temps start rising. Well jas in fullhd, aa performance is same. But 6950 2gb pulls ahead when you go past fullhd and that's obvious due to the higher vram. But no concerns at fullhd. "I forgot to mention "at higher resolutions".
Okay, then check this.
Its 5c cooler at stock but still over 70c.
Read the review cause it also has msi gtx 560-ti twin frozr II. Its a good comparison.
yeah. 6950 1gb and 2gb performance is same at full hd. below link too says that..
and i found one interesting thing -
MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition OC review
and its TFIII 6950 at 850mhz. will a sapphire 6950 1gb oced to 850 perform same?
The 6950 runs hotter than 560Ti, but still well within its thermal envelope. And regarding performance difference between 1gb and 2gb, here's what HardOCP concluded:-
Radeon HD 6950 1GB vs. 2GB
Certainly, the first thing we wanted to know is if the reduction memory capacity with the Radeon HD 6950 GPU would cause a reduction in performance. We found that at lower resolutions like 1920x1200 the answer is no, performance was not impacted much if at all. Since both video cards use the same GPU the end-result was the same. Playing at 4X AA at 1920x1200 yielded no performance differences in any of the games.
It was only at the highest setting of 2560x1600 with 8X MSAA did we start to see differences. The 2GB Radeon HD 6950 clearly allowed 8X MSAA in some games to be playable, and in others allowed us to use Transparency Antialiasing at 2560x1600. The 1GB Radeon HD 6950 struggled with these higher settings. Still, in some cases performance was the same as long as the AA setting was lower at 2560x1600.
Memory Capacity and Resolution
We have found that it comes down to what your native resolution is that you play at. If you play at 1920x1200 or lower, we have no problem recommending the 1GB Radeon HD 6950 over the GeForce GTX 560 Ti. At 1920x1200 1GB frame buffer seems to be adequate. Though the GTX 560 Ti is faster in Civ 5, for the most part the Radeon HD 6950 1GB seems to be superior when it comes to shader driven games. Overclocking the 560 Ti will make up for some of this since it is capable of ~1GHz GPU core speeds, but you are going to have to truly push it to make up for lost ground.
Nope. Msi twin frozr III cooler is too good. You see load temps are 63 c that too for 850mhz oc. Even 6950 twin frozr II cooler is better than sapphire.
Sapphire one will go past 80c easily when you overclock the memory and core clock to twin frozr III's level.
I completely agree with rchi84. Go for 6950 2gb or else stick with 560-ti especially the factory overclocked card which will perform equally well with 69501gb in shader heavy games as well. Hardocp tested a stock 560-ti.
@rchi84
Buddy, it will be wonderful if you post some dx11 screenshots of crysis 2 in the gaming section. We really want to see how stunning the game looks like after the added textures and dx11 mode. Everyone will also get to see the true potential of cryengine 3. Currently downloading the pack.
^^ Jas it just an analogy because you won't find any reviews of sapphire 6950 1gb overclocked to 850mhz and temperature analysis. The card is just not meant for hefty overclocks.
You can ask skud to overclock his card to 850mhz and memory to 5200mhz and play crysis 2. Then post max temp using msi afterburner. A screenshot would be fine.
Since i am using a 5750 and my cooler is a custom one (formula coolers are very good), for a 50mhz overclock, my temps rise from 45c to 66c after playing crysis2. Expect the sapphire 6950 to behave similarly. From 72c, it will easily get past 80c and even higher.
Msi , asus and even gigabyte(not available in india) can reach higher clocks without significant rise in temps owing to their superior cooler. The full load temp of a 6950 twin frozr II is 63c only. That's 10c lower than sapphire for stock version. Interestingly, twin frozr III's cooler is magnificent cause, its same 63c with 850mhz oc.
Simply put, the sapphire cooler is no match for twin frozr II & III. A 6950 2gb twin frozr III is a tremendous overclocker that is why you see overclocked 6950's from their stables.
Sapphire's toxic are good but 6950 edition is not available i guess.
You don't need OCing it, under Furmark it touched 80C in my old cabby, but in gaming it mostly remains in the 70s. As I have stated before the 6900 series' thermal envelope is higher and 80-85C is within its limit. It idles at near 50C.
But if you ask me, I would say go for the TF versions. Sapphire cooler is good, but no match for the TF ones.
Hmmm, time to check its OCing capabilities, perhaps.
yeah. 6950 1gb and 2gb performance is same at full hd. below link too says that..
and i found one interesting thing -
MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition OC review
and its TFIII 6950 at 850mhz. will a sapphire 6950 1gb oced to 850 perform same?
1. Unlocking is highly doubtful if not impossible these days. Moreover, except PowerColor no one is releasing the 6950 2gb with the stock PCB, containing the dual BIOS switch to make it less risky.
2. Secondly, unlocking just the shaders of a 6950 may be fine, but if you slapped a 6970 BIOS on it, power requirements also increase simultaneously, and at that time the dual 6-pin PCI-e connectors of the 6950 becomes a problem for it. Lots of users have reported stability issues after BIOS modding to 6970. So for the performance gains, it doesn't seem a good path to tread with a new card, which is already more than a handful for almost every games at FullHD resolution.
3. More than performance, its the price of the 2gb cards which make the 1gb cards not viable IMO. The Sapphire 1gb is some 14.3k, the 2gb version is just 1k extra, add 500 bucks more for MSI TFII and further 200 bucks ahead, there's the TFIII. So if you are stuck with a budget of 14k and single GPU setup, I think a cool running, better OCable, and somewhat cheaper 560 Ti is the better option for 1080p gaming. If you are thinking of multi-GPU or multi-monitor gaming down the line, only then 6950 1gb has an edge over 560Ti. Also it depends on the games you want to play now and in near future.
Well that's a reference 560-ti. Factory overclocked 560's are in a different league. The particular 560-ti that we have in discussion here is the msi twin frozr II version.
The 6950 1gb cannot beat it handsdown but perform on par with it.
@ skud
I totally agree with you mate. Whatever you said makes perfect sense.
well guys, just to give a quick update, I've been tweaking away with Afterburner.
On stock volts (1.1V) I am able to match the stock 6970 clocks of 880/1375.
the only issue is that it isn't furmark stable BUT (get this), every other benchie like Vantage, 11, Unigine and all my games run well enough as long as powertune is set at +20%.
with a fan profile set at 70% on load, i get around 65 Degrees and the card idles around 40. Room temps are around 34 degrees so I am quite happy.
Back to gaming at 6950 clocks though its nice to know there's more under the hood.
1. Unlocking is highly doubtful if not impossible these days. Moreover, except PowerColor no one is releasing the 6950 2gb with the stock PCB, containing the dual BIOS switch to make it less risky.
2. Secondly, unlocking just the shaders of a 6950 may be fine, but if you slapped a 6970 BIOS on it, power requirements also increase simultaneously, and at that time the dual 6-pin PCI-e connectors of the 6950 becomes a problem for it. Lots of users have reported stability issues after BIOS modding to 6970. So for the performance gains, it doesn't seem a good path to tread with a new card, which is already more than a handful for almost every games at FullHD resolution.
3. More than performance, its the price of the 2gb cards which make the 1gb cards not viable IMO. The Sapphire 1gb is some 14.3k, the 2gb version is just 1k extra, add 500 bucks more for MSI TFII and further 200 bucks ahead, there's the TFIII. So if you are stuck with a budget of 14k and single GPU setup, I think a cool running, better OCable, and somewhat cheaper 560 Ti is the better option for 1080p gaming. If you are thinking of multi-GPU or multi-monitor gaming down the line, only then 6950 1gb has an edge over 560Ti. Also it depends on the games you want to play now and in near future.
Core clock: 850 MHz
Mem clock: 1300 MHz
GPU Voltage: 1.1V
Fan Speed: Automatic
Software used: TriXX
Temps while idle: 48-49C
Temps while running Crysis 2: 77-78C
Temps at stock speed:-
IDLE: 47-48C
LOAD (Crysis 2): 76-77C
So up to this point not much problem. Beyond this I might have to increase the voltage, and I am bit hesitant do that. Will try to see the upper limit without voltage tweak and its effect on temps.
Nice job buddy. So it does reach 80c at full load. Have you set the fan speed to 70% or its set at auto? Its not alarming but is hot. Btw what fps are you getting?
@ comp@ddict
Msi 560-ti is nowhere near milked out. You can further oc that to 50mhz or even more. the twin frozr II cooler is that good and works best both for 560 and 6950 versions.
Check the oc potential of 560-ti twin frozr II here. Now you can say its sufficiently milked out. But a user doesn't have to oc it insanely. Another 40-50mhz is fine and quite easily attainable.
Nice job buddy. So it does reach 80c at full load. Have you set the fan speed to 70% or its set at auto? Its not alarming but is hot. Btw what fps are you getting?
@ comp@ddict
Msi 560-ti is nowhere near milked out. You can further oc that to 50mhz or even more. the twin frozr II cooler is that good and works best both for 560 and 6950 versions.
Thanks Vicky. I didn't measure the fps as with my stock E7400 its somewhat meaningless. And as mentioned earlier, fan speed was set to auto. 80C is not much of a problem for the 69xx cards. I think without increasing voltage, 850/1300 is a safe limit for the Sapphire card and the increase in temps was by just 1-2C over default clocks.
^^ Agreed. Twin frozr III 6950 is a killer choice. No doubt and is actually the safest 6950 to oc. It can go past a 6970 and gtx 570 easily. And not to forget that 2gb vram which will come in handy in the upcoming shader heavy titles.
Msi 6950 twin frozr II is also a great choice. Its load temps are just 60c and its 10mhz factory overclocked. Guru 3d guys took it around 987mhz alongwith a slight voltage tweak.
@ jas
Buddy my suggestion will be to go for the msi 6950 twin frozr II instead. It will allow you to harness the raw power of a 6950 properly. But if budget is severly limited, then stick with msi gtx 560-ti twin frozr II.
Either way, you can't go wrong. Finally, its your call.
^^ No shipping is not included for all products. My brother who lives in pune recently ordered msi 6850 cyclone, cm elite 430, corsair 4gb xms3, wd 1tb green and gigabyte 880gm ud3h-usb3 from smc.
^^ No shipping is not included for all products. My brother who lives in pune recently ordered msi 6850 cyclone, cm elite 430, corsair 4gb xms3, wd 1tb green and gigabyte 880gm ud3h-usb3 from smc.
^^ Agreed. Twin frozr III 6950 is a killer choice. No doubt and is actually the safest 6950 to oc. It can go past a 6970 and gtx 570 easily. And not to forget that 2gb vram which will come in handy in the upcoming shader heavy titles.
Msi 6950 twin frozr II is also a great choice. Its load temps are just 60c and its 10mhz factory overclocked. Guru 3d guys took it around 987mhz alongwith a slight voltage tweak.
@ jas
Buddy my suggestion will be to go for the msi 6950 twin frozr II instead. It will allow you to harness the raw power of a 6950 properly. But if budget is severly limited, then stick with msi gtx 560-ti twin frozr II.
Either way, you can't go wrong. Finally, its your call.
Check the oc potential of 560-ti twin frozr II here. Now you can say its sufficiently milked out. But a user doesn't have to oc it insanely. Another 40-50mhz is fine and quite easily attainable.
here is 560 ti - MSI N560GTX Ti Twin Frozer II review
but what those overclocks g3d receive are too much! i think they receive selected chips or whatever.
eg -*www.guru3d.com/article/msi-r6950-twin-frozr-ii-oc-review/22
6950 TFII reaches 987mhz here.
now see this -
Overclock3D :: Review :: MSI R6950 Twin Frozr II Review :: Test Setup and Overclocking
just 895mhz!!
so maybe it depends on luck which chip you got...!
here is 560 ti - MSI N560GTX Ti Twin Frozer II review
but what those overclocks g3d receive are too much! i think they receive selected chips or whatever.
eg -*www.guru3d.com/article/msi-r6950-twin-frozr-ii-oc-review/22
6950 TFII reaches 987mhz here.
now see this -
Overclock3D :: Review :: MSI R6950 Twin Frozr II Review :: Test Setup and Overclocking
just 895mhz!!
so maybe it depends on luck which chip you got...!
Thanks for correcting jas. Nvidia's recent naming scheme is so so confusing. They should have named it the non-ti version has 555 or something to avoid confusion
No, its not about selected chips but its like how hard you push. Guru 3d guys had tweaked the voltage and thus were able to push the card to insane speeds whereas overclock3d had pushed the card in default voltage level i.e 1.1v. For default voltage, 895mhz is pretty good actually.
560-ti twin frozr II is a good buy within 14k. But @ 14.5k, hawk is really something. Because of the twin frozr III cooler and highly factory overclocked, you will get gtx 570 like performance out of the box.
Although you can still overclock the card, it won't be needed. The load temps of this card is insanely low after such a hefty overclock. Its around 58c i guess.
If you cannot go for 6950 twin frozr II OR twin frozr III, hawk is a very good alternative because at full hd, it will perform equal with a overclocked 6950 as well.
Thanks for correcting jas. Nvidia's recent naming scheme is so so confusing. They should have named it the non-ti version has 555 or something to avoid confusion
No, its not about selected chips but its like how hard you push. Guru 3d guys had tweaked the voltage and thus were able to push the card to insane speeds whereas overclock3d had pushed the card in default voltage level i.e 1.1v. For default voltage, 895mhz is pretty good actually.
See this.
560-ti twin frozr II is a good buy within 14k. But @ 14.5k, hawk is really something. Because of the twin frozr III cooler and highly factory overclocked, you will get gtx 570 like performance out of the box.
Although you can still overclock the card, it won't be needed. The load temps of this card is insanely low after such a hefty overclock. Its around 58c i guess.
If you cannot go for 6950 twin frozr II OR twin frozr III, hawk is a very good alternative because at full hd, it will perform equal with a overclocked 6950 as well.
Thanks for correcting jas. Nvidia's recent naming scheme is so so confusing. They should have named it the non-ti version has 555 or something to avoid confusion
No, its not about selected chips but its like how hard you push. Guru 3d guys had tweaked the voltage and thus were able to push the card to insane speeds whereas overclock3d had pushed the card in default voltage level i.e 1.1v. For default voltage, 895mhz is pretty good actually.
560-ti twin frozr II is a good buy within 14k. But @ 14.5k, hawk is really something. Because of the twin frozr III cooler and highly factory overclocked, you will get gtx 570 like performance out of the box.
Although you can still overclock the card, it won't be needed. The load temps of this card is insanely low after such a hefty overclock. Its around 58c i guess.
If you cannot go for 6950 twin frozr II OR twin frozr III, hawk is a very good alternative because at full hd, it will perform equal with a overclocked 6950 as well.
but now i am inclined towards HAWK. reason is i want a TFIII cooler . and 6950 TFIII will be 16k(4k over my initial budget). so i am settling with HAWK which will cost me 14600 inc. shipping (2.6k over my initial budget).
MSI warranty will be handled by MSI india, authorized rma center is probably Digilink, can anyone verify?
And for MSI, warranty is given by rma center, not distro.
The HAWK is imported by acro, smc's parent company, I had contacted msi india, they assured smc is authorized.
Overvolting is not officially considered for warranty but you'll get warranty as long as there are no burn marks on pcb, on any surface, hawk will not die from overvolting, be assured, it has uber build quality(experience from my lightning)
but now i am inclined towards HAWK. reason is i want a TFIII cooler . and 6950 TFIII will be 16k(4k over my initial budget). so i am settling with HAWK which will cost me 14600 inc. shipping (2.6k over my initial budget).
but now i am inclined towards HAWK. reason is i want a TFIII cooler . and 6950 TFIII will be 16k(4k over my initial budget). so i am settling with HAWK which will cost me 14600 inc. shipping (2.6k over my initial budget).
That's an excellent choice. Really, you'll never miss the performance of a 6950 1gb because that card has an insane 950mhz clock speed out of the box. You don't even need to further overclock at fullhd.
@batman and sammy
thanks guys.
up next ram. i am still stuck with G.skill 2GB DDR3 1333Mhz
@cilus
thanks buddy.
@TP
thanks. yeah that card has one of best looking coolers imo.
will surely post pics once i get it.
today will send a mail to smc.
see this guys -
MSI Global – News
N560GTX-Ti Hawk Is a Dual Overclocking Champion: 3DMark 11 and Unigine Heaven (DX11)
While the N580GTX Lightning is equipped with superior overclocking capabilities, the power of MSI's N560GTX-Ti Hawk is not to be underestimated, either. The Belgian overclocker Massman applied LN2 extreme overclocking with MSI's N560GTX-Ti Hawk to raise the core frequency to a whopping 1500Mz— the highest for the GTX 560 Ti yet—and set a world record for a single-card GTX 560 Ti on 3DMark 11 with a score of 7611. In addition, its score of 1652.71 on Unigine Heaven (DX11) has also broken the single-card GTX 560 Ti world record, making N560GTX-Ti Hawk a dual champion.
Guru3D has OCed the 6950 TFIII over 1GHz on air. So under LN2, it should reach much higher. Nice cooler is this. Would really love to get one, when I would go for CFX. And also a cooler running card at the top slot helps.
Guru3D has OCed the 6950 TFIII over 1GHz on air. So under LN2, it should reach much higher. Nice cooler is this. Would really love to get one, when I would go for CFX. And also a cooler running card at the top slot helps.
^^ The TFIII cooler is the beast, also the redesigned power phase is great, so is the vrm cooling, you wouldn't believe how effective vrm cooling is, on my lightning the vrms never cross 65c even under max load(crysis 2, design garage, metro 2033), thats just the vrms, the stuff that supposed to go 100c in gpus, memory never crosses 60c, its so damn cool.
^^ The TFIII cooler is the beast, also the redesigned power phase is great, so is the vrm cooling, you wouldn't believe how effective vrm cooling is, on my lightning the vrms never cross 65c even under max load(crysis 2, design garage, metro 2033), thats just the vrms, the stuff that supposed to go 100c in gpus, memory never crosses 60c, its so damn cool.
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Hey Jas I know I'm late for this but still : Congrats for GS600 PSU!!Nice purchase.
I couldn't log in 'cause of some problems & just started visiting the forum very recently & gotta catch up a lot!!
Hey Jas I know I'm late for this but still : Congrats for GS600 PSU!!Nice purchase.
I couldn't log in 'cause of some problems & just started visiting the forum very recently & gotta catch up a lot!!
buddy if you can spend 16k then MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC is highly recommended and if budget strict less than 14.5k (like me ), HAWK is total vfm!
This card is simply awesome. Look at the load temps- just 65c.
It also outperforms a stock 69502gb in most games and that is good for the users going for this card. The tdp is on the higher side but doesn't matter for people having good 600w psu's.
It sometimes reaches close to 6970 and 570 which makes it an attractive deal
@jas
Man you are going to be the owner of one heck of a card.
Called them. They have no idea. Told to recheck with them next week.
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Deleted member 118788#353
Jul 5, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Hey Jas I Compared Both "MSI 560 Ti Hawk" & "MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition OC". There is not much performance difference. Now It Depends On Your Budget. 14,500 Or 15,890. You Can Compare Both This Card Page By Page.
MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti HAWK review
MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition OC review
Hey Jas I Compared Both "MSI 560 Ti Hawk" & "MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition OC". There is not much performance difference. Now It Depends On Your Budget. 14,500 Or 15,890. You Can Compare Both This Card Page By Page.
MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti HAWK review
MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition OC review
Nice Jas. Let it go down further and faster. Would love to see it below 10k in another 6 months.
But sincerely it was expected. 2gb and 1gb versions must have a gap of at least 2k to justify the existence of the 1gb cards. And mostly, 6950 1gb is a bit faster at 19x12 or 19x10 res compared to the 2gb ones. So in a single monitor setup the 1gb version is enough for some time to come.
1gb CFX won't be much of a problem with my monitor. Actually they perform a bit better than 2gb cards at 19x10 and 19x12 res. Anyway, I am still 7-8 months away from the upgrade. And before everything, let BD get off the block.
1gb CFX won't be much of a problem with my monitor. Actually they perform a bit better than 2gb cards at 19x10 and 19x12 res. Anyway, I am still 7-8 months away from the upgrade. And before everything, let BD get off the block.
Ah, you get me wrong. I was talking about going CFX with my current card, as generally after the release of next gen cards, prices of the older ones, particularly the mid-range ones, come down. So...
For me, very good. Except in case of that GFX,for which they took some time for back-ordering and all, rest are delivered blazing fast. Actually its the courier company (DTDC) which took more time to deliver, but Lynx's processing was very fast.
I agree. Actually for the present generation games, it is more than sufficient to play at the highest settings, except may be Metro 2033, which I don't have. Crysis 2 with DX11 was OK on my C2D, so with a better CPU, you are bound to get good performance at FullHD res.
Again 80-85C temps are well within 6950's thermal envelope. And my cabby doesn't have a side panel fan, so Jas may get lower temps than me. Of course, TFIII is 10C Cooler at least.
Again 80-85C temps are well within 6950's thermal envelope. And my cabby doesn't have a side panel fan, so Jas may get lower temps than me. Of course, TFIII is 10C Cooler at least.
How come? Guru3D reported idle and load temps for TFIII as 38C and 63C respectively. My Sapphire at TFIII's clock speed gives 48C and 77C respectively. Of course, ambient might be different, but no way 20C difference will be there. 10-15C difference is what you will see mostly.
How come? Guru3D reported idle and load temps for TFIII as 38C and 63C respectively. My Sapphire at TFIII's clock speed gives 48C and 77C respectively. Of course, ambient might be different, but no way 20C difference will be there. 10-15C difference is what you will see mostly.
Well you didn't read my post properly buddy. I said same clock levels i.e 850mhz.
Now a TFIII is overclocked to 850 mhz and gives load temps of only 63c like you said. But oc the sapphire 6950 1gb to 850mhz and the temps go past 80c.
Now there's a 20c diff in similar clock levels. That was my point.
But yes, one can live with a stock 6950 without any serious thermal isuues.
Well you didn't read my post properly buddy. I said same clock levels i.e 850mhz.
Now a TFIII is overclocked to 850 mhz and gives load temps of only 63c like you said. But oc the sapphire 6950 1gb to 850mhz and the temps go past 80c.
Now there's a 20c diff in similar clock levels. That was my point.
But yes, one can live with a stock 6950 without any serious thermal isuues.
Look for sapphire's reference 6950 2gb. Should be within 15k.
My temps were taken with the card OCed to TFIII level. The max difference was some 14-15C and I am also not counting the ambient temp which is definitely higher at my room. It didn't crossed over 80C with games, but stayed closer to it. There's no comparison between the two coolers, but for a single GPU config, the Sapphire one is good enough. With a side panel fan, temps should come down further. And as ico put it, its not 480 or 2900XT for sure.
Performance deficit in dragon age II is purely a driver issue. The nvidia cards had stability problems with 275.33 drivers for this particular game. In the review , F1 2010 heavily favours amd's vliw architecture and performs better. Even a 6970 performs almost similar to Gtx 580 in this particular game and hardocp always brings it when testing amd cards.
one question - Damn ! this thread is just too much long - don't have enough time to read through all the pages - Jas has got/decided upon 560Ti/HD6950 or not ? - like the short version
one question - Damn ! this thread is just too much long - don't have enough time to read through all the pages - Jas has got/decided upon 560Ti/HD6950 or not ? - like the short version
Performance deficit in dragon age II is purely a driver issue. The nvidia cards had stability problems with 275.33 drivers for this particular game. In the review , F1 2010 heavily favours amd's vliw architecture and performs better. Even a 6970 performs almost similar to Gtx 580 in this particular game and hardocp always brings it when testing amd cards.
why so?
actually if you see that review 560 hawk is beating a stock 6950 by 2-3 fps in games like crysis, BC2. in metro its equal. so 6950 will easily inch past when overclocked.
you can compare with this too. just 50mhz oced 6950 -
MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition OC review
the reason i choose 560 hawk was tfIII cooler and physx. but no news of availability with smc.
I mean, the scores of cards like HD 6950/70 and GTX 560 Ti/570/580 are still the same in their latest reviews where they are reviewing factory OCed versions. You can refer from here: Radeon HD 6950 & 6970 review (Dec 2010)
My point is, reviewers should try to use scores from newer drivers if they are posting review of a card after 6-7 months.
Then few people come and post, "Hardocp - only AMD wins..they use such settings...take with a truck load of pepper." Their main motive is to give you the right picture in their own way. They try to use the latest stable driver when they review a card and only pit it against alternative cards in the same price slot while re-running benchmarks again.
Then few people come and post, "Hardocp - only AMD wins..they use such settings...take with a truck load of pepper." Their main motive is to give you the right picture in their own way. They use the latest stable driver when they review a card and only pit it against alternative cards in the same price slot, re-running benchmarks again.
I agree with you. For me, HardOCP provides the whole picture whereas rest just use some presets. Some sites are even posting benckmark figures on Cat 11.4 or earlier Forceware drivers this month. This is laughable. And HardOCP's approach of testing just 2-3 cards at a time is also practical IMO. Hardware Heaven is another site which is somewhat similar in approach to HardOCP. Although they don't give finer details of highest playable settings.
Cat 11.4 is fine. My simple point is, first you say "take reviews of XYZ with a pinch of salt as they are biased." Then you post a review in which the reviewer only used the latest driver for benchmarking the card being reviewed. For other competing cards, he simply used the old benchmarks. I don't see Hardocp doing this.
Yes the test setup that hardocp was using had 275.33 drivers installed and dragon age II had stability problems. It was a driver issue and hardocp guys admitted this.
Btw, jas our forum member mukherjee got his msi gtx 560 hawk. Why don't you ask him? Check the latest purchase section.
Yes the test setup that hardocp was using had 275.33 drivers installed and dragon age II had stability problems. It was a driver issue and hardocp guys admitted this.
Btw, jas our forum member mukherjee got his msi gtx 560 hawk. Why don't you ask him? Check the latest purchase section.
Important Note: Due to a stability problem that occurs with NVIDIA’s GeForce driver package version 275.33 WHQL, where the game would lock up within the first 20 seconds of starting the testing procedure, we lowered the Graphics Detail from Very High to High. Lowering this setting also took away our option to enable Diffusion Depth of Field and High Quality Blur but allowed us to play with no issues.
Mukherjee's card is imported by Topnotch Infotronics, aka Zebronics, SMC being child company of Acro keeps the cards that are imported by them only. So no go with SMC.
i dont think so. 275.33 is latest WHQL driver (latest - 275.50 beta)
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why so?
actually if you see that review 560 hawk is beating a stock 6950 by 2-3 fps in games like crysis, BC2. in metro its equal. so 6950 will easily inch past when overclocked.
you can compare with this too. just 50mhz oced 6950 -
MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III Power Edition OC review
the reason i choose 560 hawk was tfIII cooler and physx. but no news of availability with smc.
so i think 6950 1gb will do fine.
as no msi available. i think 6950 1gb and those xtra flo.
You got my vote to go with HD6950 ( as there's no GTX560 Ti of youir choice on SMC ) and I'm using those CM 120mm 90CFM Blue LED fans and they are strongly recommended product by me
I remember one of our forum member ( ithehappy if I can reacll correctly ) bought those and after a few days he sell off those - might the loud jet engine like sound made him doing this so you better get some othr alternatives like mentioned on the previous post
^^ Its gtx 560 non-ti. Gtx 560-ti has full 384 stream processors whereas a gtx 560 has 336 stream processors similar to gtx 460 albeit much higher clocks.
A notice to all those who said sapphire had lower oc potential, it will reach 90c on ocing -
i decided to experiment with fan profile and set it to 80% and after playing crysis 2 and dirt 3 the temp was 56C, yes you read it right its 56 on load at stock settings. the noise was not interfering in my gameplay. i thoroughly enjoyed it. it was tearing apart through games.
and i will surely post afterburner screenies but day after tomorrow due to some work.
What's the current temps at Amritsar? 56C at load, even I am surprised.
OC potential of this card is good without comparing with anything. Achieving TFIII clocks is a cakewalk and at least in my case almost no effect on load temps. So the cooler must be no slouch either.
I don't notice the fans when I play, but then again, I play with the headset on
In afterburner, play with a profile that roughly corresponds to the temperature. So, for e.g., I set my profile to run at 40% in the 40s, 50% in the 50s, 60% in the 60s and 70% in the 70s, and 100% thereafter.
Apart from Kombustor, in most games, I barely break into upper 60s, on 6970 clocks, so your card seems to be a good batch. What clocks are you running it on?
And a tip, if I may. You don't have to OC the memory as I've found it to barely make a 1-3 Fps difference. GPU Oc offers a much more substantial return..
I don't notice the fans when I play, but then again, I play with the headset on
In afterburner, play with a profile that roughly corresponds to the temperature. So, for e.g., I set my profile to run at 40% in the 40s, 50% in the 50s, 60% in the 60s and 70% in the 70s, and 100% thereafter.
Apart from Kombustor, in most games, I barely break into upper 60s, on 6970 clocks, so your card seems to be a good batch. What clocks are you running it on?
And a tip, if I may. You don't have to OC the memory as I've found it to barely make a 1-3 Fps difference. GPU Oc offers a much more substantial return..
In my case up to 70% no problem, but after that its definitely audible. But this is with room fan off and no audio. With fan on, the noise hardly matters. Looks like I need to play with my fan speed settings. Will check in the evening.
@ Jas - nice pics buddy - now some comments on the pics
The babe on 3D logo with a sword looks more good than the one with a knife
Damn! why there's sticker with MRP of 19900 - even on may 11 it was not that much pricey !
Nice to see the gfx card with all the accessories and that cards looks great on your hand
BTW, 56C under load is cool ( what's the ambient there now ) and the big question - are you planning to OC this gaming babe - looking at the pics I can't say it's a beast
). and ofcourse eying HD6870. 
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Finally the Terminator is here...
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