Graphic Card buying advice

I have a Gigabyte B75M D3H Motherboard now with Intel i3 3rd 320 Processor & 8 Gb Corsair Ram in my desktop PC.My GPU is GTX 650 at present.I want to Upgrade my GPU. My budget is strictly within 20000-25000 Rs(Nvidia Preferred).Plz advice.Also can the GTX 650 be used as a dedicated Physx Card in the Motherboard. It will be very helpful if someone tells me the procedure of adding this GTX 650 card as a dedicated Physx card along with the new GPU with I am going to buy.

Also I am using the present PC with an old HDD. I want to add a new SSD for my C drive Win 7.What is the procedure to add the new SSD with the old HDD.I have seen the mobo supports 6gbps data transfer for SSD.
Thanks in advance.

There is no processor as 3rd gen i3 320, I think you're referring to 3220. Now for running q high end gpu, you need a powerful psu. 1st let us know what psu you currently have.

> Which PSU do you have?

> mention your complete config.

> What is your PC used for?

most importantly, why would you upgrade to a 25k GPU with a 6.5k processor

might be there will be chance of bottleneck i3 + 10-15k gpu is good but if you are planning too higher then imo you should try to sell i3 get i5 and rest budget graphic card

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Better get an i5 to even things out . i5 = 12k and new GPU with rest ( 13k )

and also , shouldnt this be posted in the graphic cards sub forum??

Shiva

Yes the processor I am having is I3 3220.I primarily play games (Dota 2,Batman & a few selected titles),watch movies and surf web on my PC.At present I have 550 watt psu.
What I have seen, people generally advice to invest good on a GPU thats why I was thinking to get one.I didn't have enough budget while buying the PC so I had to settle for a GTX 650.The GTX 650 did handle Metro Last Light but with some lag.And while surfing Nvidia website ,came across this :
(A new configuration that’s now possible with PhysX is 2 non-matched (heterogeneous) GPUs. In this configuration, one GPU renders graphics (typically the more powerful GPU) while the second GPU is completely dedicated to PhysX. By offloading PhysX to a dedicated GPU, users will experience smoother gaming.)
So I was planning to use the GTX 650 as a Physx card and the new one as the as the Primary card.

550w PSU means? Please elaborate.. Which brand and model number.

I have a Corsair 550 W PSU of VS model...

that's not a great piece of PSU but should get the job done ;-)

anyway, Op has a good budget so i would suggest him to get these by selling his current GPU+CPU+Mobo trio at 10k ( making overall budget 35k ) :

Core i5 3470 @ 12k
Asus P8B75M @ 4.5k
HD 7870 XT @ 18k

topgear said:
that's not a great piece of PSU but should get the job done

anyway, Op has a good budget so i would suggest him to get these by selling his current GPU+CPU+Mobo trio at 10k ( making overall budget 35k ) :

Core i5 3470 @ 12k
Asus P8B75M @ 4.5k
HD 7870 XT @ 18k

Dude, he wants and Nvidia gpu to try hybrid SLI
AMD will not do.
Moreover he only wants a Graphics card not a PC config. with 25k budget. Wake up! lol

Gollum said:
Dude, he wants and Nvidia gpu to try hybrid SLI
AMD will not do.
Moreover he only wants a Graphics card not a PC config. with 25k budget. Wake up! lol

using a Nvidia gpu as a physx card and another one as primary gpu does not translate into a Hybrid SLI setup and do you really think Op is going to get optimum performance by going for a 25k gpu with a core i3 cpu ... now some people might have a little problem who are not used to wake up early in the morning and still thinks 6.41AM as night. Grow up man and read what a thread is all about before trying to jump into conclusion ;-)

topgear said:
using a Nvidia gpu as a physx card and another one as primary gpu does not translate into a Hybrid SLI setup and do you really think Op is going to get optimum performance by going for a 25k gpu with a core i3 cpu ... now some people might have a little problem who are not used to wake up early in the morning and still thinks 6.41AM as night. Grow up man and read what a thread is all about before trying to jump into conclusion

so what config u suggesting???I mean the Intel processor is just 6 months old...and is doing fine...the new graphic cards won't work with this processor???

any new graphic card will work with your cpu and mobo but the main issue is when you are paying 25k for a gpu the cpu should be well enough to help you get maimum performance out of the gpu but and many upcoming games/current games are actually very well optimized for multi core cpys - in short a dual core cpu like core i3 will seriously bottleneck the performance of a 20 or 25k gfx card. Yoiu will get less fps from card compared to what it can deliver. So get the config I've suggested - it's very well balanced for your budget.

I think right now you don't need to get a new Processor as i3 3220 still good enough for most of the games. But for GPU, with a 25K GPU, there is a chance of bottleneck in certain recent games like Crysis 3, Tomb Raider 2012 etc with your current CPU. Better get cards like Zotac GTX 760 @ 20.6K from ZOTAC GRAPHICS CARD GTX 760 2GB DDR5 and keep the rest of the money for a future processor upgrade.

Now the motherboard of mine Gigabyte B75m D3H has(1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots , 1 x PCIE 2.0 x16 slot (x4 electrical))
Can i use the Gtx 650 for physx and a new Gpu for graphics in this motherboard.What settings I need to configure for that.
And also the steps and settings procedure for installing a new SSD(for Win 7) with the present HDD of mine.I have neither used 2 Gpus together nor used a SSD in my system.

Gollum said:
Dude, he wants and Nvidia gpu to try hybrid SLI

Dunno what you mean by "Hybrid SLI". That thing was possible when you had nForce chipset motherboards.

shuva said:
Now the motherboard of mine Gigabyte B75m D3H has(1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots , 1 x PCIE 2.0 x16 slot (x4 electrical))
Can i use the Gtx 650 for physx and a new Gpu for graphics in this motherboard.What settings I need to configure for that.
And also the steps and settings procedure for installing a new SSD(for Win 7) with the present HDD of mine.I have neither used 2 Gpus together nor used a SSD in my system.

What I will suggest you is, to stop bothering about "PhysX". It is a proprietary technology used by handful of games namely Batman: AA, Batman: AC, Metro 2033, Metro: Last Light, Borderlands 2 and a countable more games. 99.5% of games don't use "PhysX" and 99.99% of the games in future will not use "PhysX".

Why would one buy another card and then reduce a GTX 650 to an accessory card for special effects in only a handful of games?

Instead what I suggest you is, sell off your GTX 650 for 7K. With the added money, buy a GTX 770 for 32K. Use GTX 770 for everything.

Why? If you'll go for something like GTX 760 + GTX 650, GTX 650 will NOT be used in 99.99% of the games. Instead get a faster card at the first place i.e. GTX 770.

ico said:
What I will suggest you is, to stop bothering about "PhysX". It is a proprietary technology used by handful of games namely Batman: AA, Batman: AC, Metro 2033, Metro: Last Light, Borderlands 2 and a countable more games. 99.5% of games don't use "PhysX" and 99.99% of the games in future will not use "PhysX".

Add "Witcher 3", "Planetside 2", "Batman Arkham Origins", "Warframe","Lost Planet 3" as some very popular games in that list. Besides, "PhysX" isn't the same old tech as before. It's using SSE instructions now and not the older x87. So when using an AMD card, "PhysX" runs on CPU. So people can still enjoy the effects albeit a bit toned down.
It's more optimized for CUDA and these days, even a 760 runs all supporting games with PhysX on and there isn't a drastic performance drop.

The recent developments in fluid simulation of PhysX is noteworthy. CD ProjekT decided to utilize PhysX and the latest Apex toolset for these very reasons.
Even AMD's tressFx like tech is implemented in Witcher 3's Wolf Fur in PhysX Apex Toolset. Here's that tech demo:

The wolf's fur in the second scene was running on CPU while 3rd one is on GPU.
Witcher 3 also uses Nvidia's new fluid simulation in PhysX. It has received great accolades by many developers.

ico said:
Instead what I suggest you is, sell off your GTX 650 for 7K. With the added money, buy a GTX 770 for 32K. Use GTX 770 for everything.

Why? If you'll go for something like GTX 760 + GTX 650, GTX 650 will NOT be used in 99.99% of the games. Instead get a faster card at the first place i.e. GTX 770.

Yup this is good suggestion. Thumbs up for a single 770.

Running PhysX on a Intel i3 3220 is not a good idea, its a dual core module. Better opt for cards like GTX 770 instead of using GTX 650 as dedicated PhysX card. For that reason, cheaper cards like GT 630 will do fine. In fact with GTX 770, most of the games can utilize PhysX with single GPU setup at 1080P resolution.

Yeah since PhysX now runs on CPU too, a good multicore cpu like 8350 or atleast a quadcore is advisable.

TressFX is another way of uselessly decreasing the performance.

vickybat said:
Add "Witcher 3", "Planetside 2", "Batman Arkham Origins", "Warframe","Lost Planet 3" as some very popular games in that list. Besides, "PhysX" isn't the same old tech as before. It's using SSE instructions now and not the older x87. So when using an AMD card, "PhysX" runs on CPU. So people can still enjoy the effects albeit a bit toned down.

vickybat said:
Yeah since PhysX now runs on CPU too, a good multicore cpu like 8350 or atleast a quadcore is advisable.

Sounds very nice to say "PhysX now supports SSE". heh, it's the SDK 3.x which supports. If a game is made with the old SDK, only x87 for CPU. So, where are the games?

Borderlands 2 despite being released in 2012, still uses 2.8.x which only supported x87 for CPU. Warframe? still using the old SDK. Metro: Last Light? Still using 2.8.x. Witcher 3 and Arkham Origins - we'll know when they release. Hoping it's the new one.

Which game is actually PhysX 3.x with SSE for CPU? Bioshock: Infinite.

vickybat said:
It's more optimized for CUDA and these days, even a 760 runs all supporting games with PhysX on and there isn't a drastic performance drop.

Planetside 2? Look what people say: *forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/physx-looked-so-cool-but-then.115235/ - GTX 660 Ti can't keep up. One guy even facing problems with a GTX 690. People are not happy with Borderlands 2 either. So, can't generalise that "even a GTX 760 runs all supporting games". The moment you get to a place where effects are more, you get the drops. Performance drop will vary from game to game - like Metro: Last Light doesn't see much drop on the GPU because it is actually using this to enhance the game rather to show gimmicks.

Many Many thanks to all those for all the suggestions....a new processor & new GPU is what I need( I5 & a gtx 7 series will do the trick)...will let u know what a brought....
And give some advice on SSD....will it work with my present HDD with win 7 installed....Do I need to format the HDD ???

shuva said:
And give some advice on SSD....will it work with my present HDD with win 7 installed....Do I need to format the HDD ???

well, you'll want to install Winodws 7 again on the SSD, won't you? So that your operating system boots fast.

Then you can format your HDD.

ico said:
TressFX is another way of uselessly decreasing the performance.

Well it gives some cool effects in return. Absolutely worthwhile imo and one can always disable it if his/her system is not up to the job.
Its definitely not useless. Sticking with age old methods of hair rendering is useless. TressFx is a good way of putting a gpu's compute power to good use in games, using API's like directcompute.
It's only gonna evolve more and more.

ico said:
Sounds very nice to say "PhysX now supports SSE". heh, it's the SDK 3.x which supports. If a game is made with the old SDK, only x87 for CPU. So, where are the games?

Indeed it sounds nice. Yes, the 3.x supports it and all new games including bio shock infinite, planet side 2 and arma 3 use it.*physxinfo.com/wiki/PhysX_SDK_3.x

It's the default SDK now. Borderlands 2 did use 2.8.4, but anything new you see now will be 3.x.
All games using UE4 will use 3.x. Its obvious that 2.x will be phased out. Witcher 3 uses the latest Apex toolset ,fluid simulations and hair effects, only present in 3.x SDK. So its safe to assume it supports SSE. Can't confirm batman AO coz it still runs on UE3. Lets see about that when it releases. Considering PhysX is also the one of the top physics middleware for PS4, there won't be any scarcity of games. Lost planet is also in the list. Witcher 3 looks highly promising. Hawken is also in the list. Despite using 2.8.4, it still runs good enough in cpu.

*physxinfo.com/news/10642/gpu-physx-in-hawken/

*physxinfo.com/news/tag/ue4/

ico said:
Planetside 2? Look what people say: *forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/physx-looked-so-cool-but-then.115235/ - GTX 660 Ti can't keep up. One guy even facing problems with a GTX 690. People are not happy with Borderlands 2 either. So, can't generalise that "even a GTX 760 runs all supporting games". The moment you get to a place where effects are more, you get the drops. Performance drop will vary from game to game - like Metro: Last Light doesn't see much drop on the GPU because it is actually using this to enhance the game rather to show gimmicks.

Well there are haters everywhere. You'll always find negative comments in forums. That one guy's opinion isn't going to change everything.
There could be plethora of other reasons. I have seen and heard borderlands 2 running flawlessly in a 580. Tkin used to run it in his system with no glitches, despite it using the older 2.x.x sdk.
About metro last light, it was as heavy as its predecessor. It uses old sdk but far optimized. It has the same effects which you call "gimmicks" and does them without any significant performance drops. 660-ti had anorexic memory bus, which was fixed in 760. You'll be surprised by the following:

*i.imgur.com/1tM56EC.jpg

You do know that metro last light is far more taxing than borderlands 2. It has superior graphics fidelity and has all those effects. At the highest settings you still get 50 + fps which is great.
With games with newer sdk's, this is only going to improve.

ico said:
Instead what I suggest you is, sell off your GTX 650 for 7K. With the added money, buy a GTX 770 for 32K. Use GTX 770 for everything.
Why? If you'll go for something like GTX 760 + GTX 650, GTX 650 will NOT be used in 99.99% of the games. Instead get a faster card at the first place i.e. GTX 770.

I was thinking the same thought as OP after I saw some damm cheap cards at flipkart of last generation.
Your solution is best ico, and if he still want a dedi PhysX then after buying a 760/770 he should buy a cheap GT 630 2 GB, INR 4,041/- and add it for PhysX. With 2 GB VRAM hat card will be more than enough for PhysX calculation/processing and it will be cheaper solution.
I'm gonna do the same.

ManiDhillon said:
I was thinking the same thought as OP after I saw some damm cheap cards at flipkart of last generation.
Your solution is best ico, and if he still want a dedi PhysX then after buying a 760/770 he should buy a cheap GT 630 2 GB, INR 4,041/- and add it for PhysX. With 2 GB VRAM hat card will be more than enough for PhysX calculation/processing and it will be cheaper solution.
I'm gonna do the same.

Cards like yours ,770, Titan and 690 can handle PhysX singlehandedly in new games. Performance does not drop drastically like before. Metro last light is a solid example as a proof.
Witcher 3 is again a AAA title having a next gen engine. The effects, especially water and particle effects look very promising. Have to see how these cards handle PhysX in titles of that calibre.
Witcher 3 also sports cpu PhysX. In that demo showing wolf's fur, cpu PhysX is shown in the 2nd scene. AMD users can enjoy it too now.

PhysX is restrictive to Nvidia because of CUDA. If they ever launch an open-cl version, then it will run in AMD gpu's too. Actually PhysX in PS4 is going to run on its gpu, which is an AMD GCN based.

vickybat said:
Cards like yours ,770, Titan and 690 can handle PhysX singlehandedly in new games. Performance does not drop drastically like before. Metro last light is a solid example as a proof.
Witcher 3 is again a AAA title having a next gen engine. The effects, especially water and particle effects look very promising. Have to see how these cards handle PhysX in titles of that calibre.
Witcher 3 also sports cpu PhysX. In that demo showing wolf's fur, cpu PhysX is shown in the 2nd scene. AMD users can enjoy it too now.

PhysX is restrictive to Nvidia because of CUDA. If they ever launch an open-cl version, then it will run in AMD gpu's too. Actually PhysX in PS4 is going to run on its gpu, which is an AMD GCN based.

I agree with you that GTX 780 is more than capable for a single screen but I have some dough left, so I was thinking of adding a dedi PhysX card but now I am torn between anew mouse and gfx. Well tomorrow I will get the GTX delivered and I will see what happens with Metro LL, then I will decide.