help me with this build........

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1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans:Mainly for gaming and games like Black Ops 2, NFS mostwanted, The Run, Civilization 5 , Crysis series.

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: Maximum of 40k(excluding graphix card)

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans:may be in future

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans:Windows 7 ultimate

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: 1 TB is enough(already have 500+160 GB HDD)

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans:NO, i have Dell 20"

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans:keyboard,mouse,ups, speakers and monitor

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans:by November(2012) end

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans:done by assembler

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans

une, planning to buy from online store like flipkart. if anybody know local store in pune pls tell me...

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans

lease rate this build
Mobo : ASRock Z77 Extreme6 or MSI Z77A-G45
CPU : i5 3570k
RAM : Gskill 2*4 GB 1600
HDD : WD 1 TB Blue

please suggest some good PSU+cabinet which runs good if i add GTX 650 graphix card(planning early in 2013)

Thanks
Sujendra

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Intel i5 3570k -14k
ASRock Z77 Extreme6 -12.5k or Asrock Z77 extreme4 -10.5k
G.Skill RipjawsX(1600MHz)(F3-12800CL9S) 4GB*2 - 3k
Corsair cx500v2 -3.3k
WD caviar blue 1TB -4.8k
NZXT source 210 elite -2.6k or CM elite 311 plus -2.7k
Asus DRW-24B5ST - 1k

Don't buy gtx650.HD7770 performs better than gtx650 and costs lesser.

Alternatively,if you can sacrifice overclocking then you can get i5 3550+h77mobo and use the saved money for a better card like hd7850 or gtx660.

Try this
Asus P8Z77-M Asus P8Z77-M Intel Z77 Chipset Motherboard or ASUS P8Z77-M Motherboard | Motherboard | Flipkart.com
Asus P8Z77-V LX Asus P8Z77-V LX Intel Z77 Chipset or ASUS ASUS P8Z77-VLX Motherboard | Motherboard | Flipkart.com
G1.Sniper M3 *www.flipkart.com/gigabyte-g1-snipe...THAT&ref=d89791c7-b3ba-4968-b2c3-1ac17a9c24c5

they are better than the Asrock's mentioned...

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^^Care to explain how all these motherboards are better than asrock z77 extreme6?
No doubt all 5 boards are fine.
I think spec-wise extreme6 is better than others.I don't find anything fundamentally wrong with extreme6.

Asrocks VRM were always questionable...they claim to have DIGI+ VRm but in reality they use Analog controller(ISL 6367)
both the boards suffer from this..
*i.imgur.com/IW7jGl.jpg

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^^I don't see much amount of problem with VRM.
Though CPU overclock would depend upon CPU and VRM section,if the VRM is fine it's upto the chip.
The VRM is well enough on extreme6.Quite easy to overclock with very small voltage steps.
Heard about some heating issues with extreme4 VRM but nothing major.
As far as overclocking on exterme6 is concerned most of the reviewers have got the clocks on the level of 4.6-4.7GHz with i7 3770k.
I don't find anything that dangerous there.
Also I don't think Asus P8Z77-M anywhere comes close to it when we take features.
Also extreme6 has an ATX form factor,has more phases,and is much more feature-rich than any of those quoted boards.

Image is quite blurry to see anything...
Mate,are you sure that PWM controller is analog?

A SSD might be a really good choice for your budget, IMO.

Given the number of failure rates of Asrock i would suggest to stay away from Asrock..but i leave it to OP to judge

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Here is the conclusion about the Asrock Z77 Extreme 6 board from AnandTech:

AnandTech - ASRock Z77 Extreme6 Review: Legacy Bites Back

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The point here is at its price point Extreme6 is a very competitive product.
There are lot of other reviews from various sites and as per the reviews it does quite well.
It is a stable motherboard with good feature-set which many are not able to provide at that price-range.
Asrock z77 extreme6 conclusion:hardwaresecrets

pardon me but that doesn't even count as a review..looks like they have just took all the specs and added some flowery English and let it out...where is the review? where's the testing? how can we know its good?
Hardware secrets are known for PSU reviews..and IMHO they should stick with that.
as for anadtech..well...he summed up nicely...

[URL="*www.anandtech.com/show/6089/asrock-z77-extreme6-review-legacy-bites-back/8" said:
[/URL]Anandtech]ASRock are on the road to becoming one of the top tier manufacturers and joining the ranks of ASUS and Gigabyte, but the Z77 Extreme6 is not it. It gives you a nice overclock that removes the performance issues at stock speeds, but I cannot find much to get excited about.

legacy bites back...but not that hard

Given the number of failure rates of Asrock i would suggest to stay away from Asrock

this.is enough to put OP off his asrok track.

Given the number of failure rates of Asrock i would suggest to stay away from Asrock

this.is enough to put OP off his asrok track.

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@sumonpathak

Check the review properly.There are lots of other reviews available as well for extreme6 from xbitlabs,tweaktown,and others.Check them too also if possible instead of posting baseless points.There is no VRM issue with extreme6 which can be considered dangerous..
As already said the point remains extreme6 provides with good-feature set with performance which many others are not able to deliver at that price-range.
Period.

@vkl...
i checked them all...and apart from blindly checking the conclusion and basing my facts on that i do testing of my own....and acquire data from people who know what they are doing and saying..i suggest you read up more...not only the reviews..but different forums as well...
as for the board..
ASUS P8Z77-M Motherboard vs ASRock Z77 Extreme 6 Motherboard vs Gigabyte G1.Sniper M3 Z77 Motherboard: Compare Motherboards: Flipkart.com

at a lower price GB has produced a better board..

CommanderShawnzer said:
this.is enough to put OP off his asrok track.

wait till he see's this
*www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp...1=1&Keywords=(keywords)&Page=1#scrollFullInfo

also if i remember correctly an user in some other bought Extreme 4..and was pleasantly surprised with a defective socket.

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Neo said:
A SSD might be a really good choice for your budget, IMO.

+1
For general everyday use ssd is the best upgrade for a pc.

You want to game but your build seems quite unbalanced ?

You are spending heavily on cpu and a motherboard, but cutting down on the Graphics Card.

Overclocking wouldn't provide you with any noticeable gains in games.
go with

Intel DH77EB Motherboard & and intel i5 3450 cpu.
psu - seasonic 430w

For the graphics card try getting a 7850 atleast whenever you plan to buy.

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@sumonpathak
If you have checked the reviews properly then no point of arguing,it is quite clear that it's a good motherboard and I don't understand how is asus p8z77 m is better than extreme6.
It is not like every asrock mobo is defective and every asus mobo product is bullet-proof.Things like replacement policy,RMA,after sales service are there for these things.
Don't exaggerate things.The VRM issue by you is a no-pointer,doesn't have any value.That point has been nullified.
As already said extreme6 provides more phases,PCIe slots,usb ports and a number of other features and is quite a stable board.
There are people with asrock exterme6 and extreme4 without any problem in India.

sumonpathak said:
wait till he see's this
Newegg.com - ASRock Z77 Extreme6 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
.

What is this?These links can't be served as reference.
There are 113 reviews and picking out some 1 star reviews is pointless.Check the overall rating,it is still 4 stars.
If you are forming a basis on these links then do check out ASUS P9X79 DELUXE at newegg too.It has more 1stars than extreme6.But is P9X79 DELUXE a bad board?I don't think so.
Again these things can't be taken as a reference.

It would be better if you discuss things technically rather than saying unnecessary things.

vkl said:
@sumonpathak
If you have checked the reviews properly then no point of arguing,it is quite clear that it's a good motherboard and I don't understand how is asus p8z77 m is better than extreme6.
It is not like every asrock mobo is defective and every asus mobo product is bullet-proof.Things like replacement policy,RMA,after sales service are there for these things.
Don't exaggerate things.The VRM issue by you is a no-pointer,doesn't have any value.That point has been nullified.
As already said extreme6 provides more phases,PCIe slots,usb ports and a number of other features and is quite a stable board.
There are people with asrock exterme6 and extreme4 without any problem in India.

i suggest you read up extensively before u start commenting..this level of knowledge is not expected from a moderator..and now i have an fair idea about your knowledge on hardware.
but i guess its no point arguing with you as you have already formed an opinion..
as for suggestion..i was suggesting a GB board..and even suggested that...dont how you formed the opinion that i am saying only asus is best.

@Op..all the best man...

vkl said:
What is this?These links can't be served as reference.
There are 113 reviews and picking out some 1 star reviews is pointless.Check the overall rating,it is still 4 stars.
If you are forming a basis on these links then do check out ASUS P9X79 DELUXE at newegg too.It has more 1stars than extreme6.But is P9X79 DELUXE a bad board?I don't think so.
Again these things can't be taken as a reference.

It would be better if you discuss things technically rather than saying unnecessary things.

just pointing out the issues..
as for technical stuff...i provided a technical document a few posts back..i guess u missed it...
posting again sinhardware.com/index.php/99-sins-hardware/vrm-list

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Originally posted by sumonpathak
i suggest you read up extensively before u start commenting..this level of knowledge is not expected from a moderator..and now i have an fair idea about your knowledge on hardware.
but i guess its no point arguing with you as you have already formed an opinion..
as for suggestion..i was suggesting a GB board..and even suggested that...dont how you formed the opinion that i am saying only asus is best.

Again stop posting unnecessary things.We are not here to test knowledge.We are here to gain knowledge and provide if we have some.
Don't form your own conclusions.I didn't say anywhere that Asus is the best.I just quoted an real world example.

Don't judge others.
As far as VRM of extreme6 is concerned I have checked about in most of the reviews and forums and found no big issue as you make it out to be.

If you have very high level of knowledge well and good.
You quoted a thing,I said what I know of that matter.
Give proper points/facts to backup your points.No good would be done or a point would be proved by providing some random links.

No point in making the thread too off-topic.We are here to assist a person if we can.

@ sujendra7

Another interesting read...... with lots of details.....

Seven Sub-$160 Z77 Express Motherboards, Reviewed : Seven Affordable Z77 Express-Based Motherboards Get Dissected

Edit

I believe at that budget AsRock and the (edit) Gigabyte are the best options.

Guys, stop fighting like children and cool down...don't get so angry so early. Both of you, just provide some good review links of your selected products. OP can read it and make his own decision. I just went through the Anandtech Review where couple of things I have noticed, one is the high power consumption compared to other boards. 2nd is the hot VRM area and third is the stability issues in stock voltage and speed.

Another thing, The ASUS only has 8 phases for the CPU (and another 4 the iGPU), but it does use Alloy Chokes, whereas the ASrock use ferrite chokes

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Do any of the reviews deal with durability ? I guess not

since we cant go off topic...
lets just try to understand why i said the asrock is bad...this post is for anyone who is interested..
1.QC issues(DOA,bad sockets).
2.Usage of analog controller in VRM
Now In modern motherboards voltage is controlled in two ways mainly;one is analog controller IC or by a digital controller IC.
in case of analog controller the voltage goes like a wave and the IC constantly monitors and adjusts the voltage so sometimes it goes higher than what is needed and it sometimes it goes lower;in reality it translates into constant fluctuation in the vid as the voltage is constantly adjusted by the IC and this fluctuation is VERY bad for Intel SB and IVB chips as they are not very tolerant to voltage changes and tend to degrade fast.
in case of digital controller the IC is told exactly how much voltage is needed to reach the set vcore and the output voltage is given exactly as needed,no over compensation or under compensation is needed in this case and the fluctuation is almost Zero.So as a result the Chips lasts much longer.
in case this is too technical let me give you an example..
suppose you are refueling your car,you fill up the tank until its spills over and spoil ur suit and then you stop:this is how analog works;it does the job but inefficiently.
How ever in case of Digital you exactly know how much fuel is needed to completely fill up the tank and u control the flow to fill upto that point only and thereby not spoiling anything in the process.
Hence we see Digital controllers are more efficient and accurate.

Now with reference to the boards in issues
Asrock Extreme 6 uses ISL 6367 IC which is essentially an hybrid IC(part analog+part digital) hence the power delivery is erratic.
Gigabyte Sniper M3 uses IR 3567 IC which is completely digital and hence more efficient in power delivery and makes the sniper m3 more suitable candidate.

reference:
VRM Articles

as for my knowledge...i tend to share whatever i know/i test..and people see me as a rude arrogant person for that..but i dont really care as long as my knowledge is doing some good for the community.

mods/supermods are welcome to delete this and any other post of mine if they deem this to be off topic

Sup said:
Do any of the reviews deal with durability ? I guess not

depends on the testers definition of durability...
for some a board is durable if it passes a certain test by any means possible..
for some a board is deemed durable if it passes the same test in an efficient manner.

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The point here is VRM of Extreme6.It is a hybrid digital PWM controller.
It is not as bad as it is being made out to be.

I have already mentioned the voltage steps for CPU core in case of extreme6 are quite small(0.005V) unlike the previous z68boards which is very good thing as far as overclocking is concerned.

What is so wrong with extreme6?I don't seem to find any big issue.

the controller is bad and asrock should feel bad...they have huge llc issues like board giving 1.5V for a 4Ghz oc in a few cases...and 1.5V is like a bat in the face for any SB/ivy chip...for the same price point Sniper M3 should be considered.

Quality should be given more preference over quantity IMHO

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It is not as bad as you are trying to make it look.

These boards are decent for overclocking.And not everybody had to push the board to its limits for overclocking.

am not making it look bad..am just pointing out the bad things...despite these one wants to get it..be my guest

as for OC ing SB/IVY...voltage regulation is most important..whether you pushing it to extreme or just settling for an mild oc.
My chip does 4Ghz on 1.17v in my current board..on GB it needed around 1.2v which is acceptable..same chip on Biostar and asrock needed 1.32v..go figure

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^^
Well even though each chip overclocks differently...folks at anandtech were able to achieve 4GHz at 1.096V and 4.6 GHz at 1.128V.
They did reach 4.8GHz with 1.248V although temperatures were high at this clock frequency.All these were with automatic overclocking.Things were even better with manual overclocking.
Now this was with i7 3770k which is not as overclock-able as i7 2600k or i5 2500k.

Overall it is a decent board for overclocking.

err.......i was using the same chip...
i sincerely hope u get my point rather than just supporting the board.

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Why don't you get the point...it is decent enough for overclocking.
From the voltage values from anandtech for overclocking and from various reviews by different sites it is easily proved.
Period.

i get ur point....its not bad...but M3 is better...too hard to accept that?
guess so

anyhoo.....hard to reason with when you dont see the point....time to pick up one more extreme 6 and give out test results

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Did I ever say anything about Sniper M3?I never said that sniper M3 or any other mobo is bad or so.
The point I made is that extreme6 is a decent board for its price and just better than others considering its feature and form-factor at the price-range.
Now for an average user 4.6GHz or more with an ivy sandy unlocked i5/i7 is not that big a factor to be considered.
Average user doesn't require his system to be OCed 24hours nor does he/she required very high max clocks.
If a user runs his i5 2500k at 4.4GHz...then from that level to 4.7GHz he would hardly notice any single-threaded performance gain...hardly ~6-7% though in multi-threaded tasks he might get quite a bit more but then these chips are already quite fast and 4.4GHz is already quite a bit more than stock clocks.

Btw what makes you think that you are more creditable than folks at anandtech,tomshardware,hardwaresecrets,xbitlabs and others?

And stop using sms lingo.

vkl said:
The point I made is that extreme6 is a decent board for its price and just better than others considering its feature and form-factor at the price-range.
Now for an average user 4.6GHz or more with an ivy sandy unlocked i5/i7 is not that big a factor to be considered.
Average user doesn't require his system to be OCed 24hours nor does he/she required very high max clocks.
If a user runs his i5 2500k at 4.4GHz...then from that level to 4.7GHz he would hardly notice any single-threaded performance gain...hardly ~6-7% though in multi-threaded tasks he might get quite a bit more but then these chips are already quite fast and 4.4GHz is already quite a bit more than stock clocks.

by your logic the MSI Z77A G45 looks like a good choice too..
and considering your notion of "Average user" it fits right into segment.
Power, Heat, And Efficiency : Seven Sub-$160 Z77 Express Motherboards, Reviewed
from incinerators link
The msi shows a lower all round temps in the VRM and its ATX form factor.and has ample connectivity options and the OC margin is ok for average user.

vkl said:
Btw what makes you think that you are more creditable than folks at anandtech,tomshardware,hardwaresecrets,xbitlabs and others?

have i said am more creditable than them...guess not...
on the flip side what makes you think that i shouldn't have any credit? any particular reasons?

vkl said:
And stop using sms lingo.

err...there is a rule against usage of one "short" form?

in case you missed my earlier posts..Extreme 6 is a ok board..on paper it looks great and shiny..but it has issues..but if anyone chose to look over it they are free to do so..i for myself cannot suggest a board which is known to have issues out of the box and i will suggest alternatives...be it from any brand.

Avoiding Asrock Extreme Series gets another vote.

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Hi,

Corsair cx500v2 , is this power supply is good enough if i add Graphix card like gtx650 or HD7770

Thanks
Sujendra

its good

If OP don't need full-atx board, then
Gigabyte G1.Sniper M3
are
Asus Z77-M (PRO)
are way better than AsRock z77 Extreme 6 in terms of price and performance of the board, specially the gigabyte board.
In short extreme 6 isn't worthy of spending ~13K. It is not a 13K board.
Although Asus Z77-V LX isn't that good as Extreme6 in terms of OC'ing capability.

If OP don't want to OC (or mild OC'ing for 24x7, like 4GHz), then extreme6 is a good choice,. otherwise not.

And, I've tested it and seen it, Extreme6 have very bad LLC.

@ Sujendra7

Since you are iffy about overclocking I would say stick to what VKL had said in his earlier post. Get a H77 + 3550 + HD7850. This way you will be way better off,IMO. If you are not serious about OC or extreme OC just leave the K+Z set up.

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@ sumonpathak
I have not said anywhere whether any board is bad.I am just sticking to facts.
You said there was a VRM issue,for which I gave you my reply that it is not much of an issue.
The PWM controller is a hybrid digital.
Also the voltage steps in extreme6 is much better and smaller than previous gen z68 which is quite a good thing.
You are giving newegg links which can't be served as reference again even then the ratings were 4/5.
You come with CPU core voltages for overclocking,I gave my references from anandtech for CPU core voltages again proving extreme6 is a decent board for overclocking.
Now you are coming with MSI board.I am talking about extreme6 being good and quite a good one in its price range,I am not proving anything other as bad.
Don't use:"u,ur,anyhoo"...Just that.

@d6bmg
Asus p8z77 V LX is a good board for overclocking and I have given references about V LX many times in the forum.
V LX lacks VRM heatsinks and SLI support(not important in mos of the cases),but still is quite good.

vkl said:
V LX lacks VRM heatsinks and SLI support(not important in mos of the cases),but still is quite good.

Aren't vrm heatsinks good if OCing?

If matx is not a problem then asus p8z77m pro is quite good.

Personally i think,
Asrocks are great vfm mobos. Not so great on the build part.
Asus is a bit pricy but great build.

@sumonpathak and vkl:
I am sure both of you are correct on your own terms but at the moment its not helping this thread and OP's purpose.
Its better you both take this to a different thread. Others (including me) interested in the topic will find it helpful and easy to follow.

PS: Check the number of posts by you guys on this 'topic' here.

^hehe...
if anyone is interested i will be happy to explain it..just shoot me a PM

OP is scared to death at this point i guess....
so @OP...take whatever suits you man....dont mind us

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@ Myth
Sure,VRM heatsinks are good for having lower temperatures.
The bracketed part is for lack of SLI support not for lack of VRM heatsinks.

vkl said:
@d6bmg
Asus p8z77 V LX is a good board for overclocking and I have given references about V LX many times in the forum.
V LX lacks VRM heatsinks and SLI support(not important in mos of the cases),but still is quite good.

VRM without heatsink= VRM overheating = not safe for 24X7 overclocking.

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d6bmg said:
VRM without heatsink= VRM overheating = not safe for 24X7 overclocking.

For mild/moderate clocks temperature won't be that high.
This board costs only around 10k,so 24*7 sustained overclocks with high clocks would be too much to ask from this board.

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vkl said:
Intel i5 3570k -14k
ASRock Z77 Extreme6 -12.5k or Asrock Z77 extreme4 -10.5k
G.Skill RipjawsX(1600MHz)(F3-12800CL9S) 4GB*2 - 3k
Corsair cx500v2 -3.3k
WD caviar blue 1TB -4.8k
NZXT source 210 elite -2.6k or CM elite 311 plus -2.7k
Asus DRW-24B5ST - 1k

Don't buy gtx650.HD7770 performs better than gtx650 and costs lesser.

Alternatively,if you can sacrifice overclocking then you can get i5 3550+h77mobo and use the saved money for a better card like hd7850 or gtx660.

other tha NZXT source elite 210 or CM elite 311 plus are there any good cases.
Does HD7770 or gtx650 fit into these cases with out any issues..
does any one know , where can i buy this build in PUNE...

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In that price range NZXT Gamma is another option.Both Source 210 elite and elite 311 plus have one front usb3.0 slot,Gamma doesn't have this.
CM elite 431 plus would be around 3.5k,has a front usb3.0 slot.
If you can spend more then pick up Corsair carbide 400R for 5k,has 2 front usb3.0 slots,better cooling,better cable cable-management,huge rear end space,better build quality.
400R can last you many builds.
HD7770 and GTX650 would fit in those cases.

vkl said:
For mild/moderate clocks temperature won't be that high.
This board costs only around 10k,so 24*7 sustained overclocks with high clocks would be too much to ask from this board.

Really?
V-LX isn't for overclocking.
Those who plan to get i7-2600 or i7-3770 (those non-K) processors, V-LX are perfect choice for them.

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^^i7 2600,i7 3770 can be handled well by good h67/h77 motherboards.
V-LX is a decent motherboard for unlocked processors.Check reviews.

^ Are you talking about the full review or only conclusion?
I can't interpret.