Help Required for Gaming PC Build-Budget 70k...

Hi all !!
Time is ripe for a long cherished dream of a gaming pc after my HP laptop went kaput a few months ago.

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: 'AAA' Gaming, (all the latest & upcoming FPS & RPS, GTA V, Hitman, Far Cry 5, Battlefield Series etc.)

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: 70,000/- . Can extend max 5k if absolutely necessary for increasing performance.

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: Yes. At least in near future if not now.

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Windows 10 64 bit (Already own a licensed copy)

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: Maybe an SSD of low capacity. Already have 1 TB internal HDD.

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: Yes, FHD 1920*1080, 22'' or larger preferably.

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: Already have gaming mouse, speakers, HDD. Everything else needed.

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: Mid-October, can wait 1-2 months more if some upcoming hardware launch is worth it.

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: Yes, I will take care of assembling.

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Durgapur. Will buy physically from Kolkata or online.

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Confused regarding Graphics card. As Turing is round the corner should one buy 10 series cards or better to wait for more price drops? Amd RX series are also coming back to normal stock & price.

Your budget is not good enough for what you're asking. Either save money and buy later or buy now what you can with your budget and upgrade later.

nac said:
Your budget is not good enough for what you're asking. Either save money and buy later or buy now what you can with your budget and upgrade later.

Am asking to play latest games at 1080p at mid to high settings.. and 70 k is not enough for that??

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suvajit said:
Am asking to play latest games at 1080p at mid to high settings.. and 70 k is not enough for that??

Yep, not enough IMO.
GPU 1060 alone costs about 25k. OCable chip + decent motherboard would cost over 30k. Fitting everything else in the budget isn't possible.
You can fit 1050ti and B350/450 board in the budget, but I don't think that would be good enough for 1080p AAA gaming and good overclocking.

nac said:
Yep, not enough IMO.
GPU 1060 alone costs about 25k. OCable chip + decent motherboard would cost over 30k. Fitting everything else in the budget isn't possible.
You can fit 1050ti and B350/450 board in the budget, but I don't think that would be good enough for 1080p AAA gaming and good overclocking.

How abt ryzen 5 1600 at 12099 rs (mdcomputers) & msi x370 gaming plus at around 8500 rs?? Are they not good for overcloking?

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I don't prefer MSI/Asrock, I always stick with ASUS/Gigabyte.

Since you're interested in overclocking, better go with a good rated board. Google for good overclockable board for Ryzen chip and pick one of the good ones.
Wait for others to comment. They may have different views.

nac said:
I don't prefer MSI/Asrock, I always stick with ASUS/Gigabyte.

Since you're interested in overclocking, better go with a good rated board. Google for good overclockable board for Ryzen chip and pick one of the good ones.
Wait for others to comment. They may have different views.

Read somewhere that MSI is at par compared to asus & gigabyte if not better. Anyway am open to suggestions....

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If you are going with 1600 then I suggest do not over clock - maybe a couple of hundred MHz. And yes 70k is bit less for your ask. Like @nac mentioned a 6GB variant of 1060 will cos you around 25k. That leaves 45k for other components. An 8GB RAM stick and a gold certified PSU will be around 13-14k. One way you can do is - buy the cheapest B350 board along with Ryzen 5 1600. Forget OCing!

ssb1551 said:
If you are going with 1600 then I suggest do not over clock - maybe a couple of hundred MHz. And yes 70k is bit less for your ask. Like @nac mentioned a 6GB variant of 1060 will cos you around 25k. That leaves 45k for other components. An 8GB RAM stick and a gold certified PSU will be around 13-14k. One way you can do is - buy the cheapest B350 board along with Ryzen 5 1600. Forget OCing!

Ok i will get my hands off of overcloking at least for some time till i can lay my hands on a good mobo & psu. Can u suggest the other components? How is corsair vs550? And one more thing, gigabyte rx580 is available for 23.3k, isnt it good considering lg freesync monitor?

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suvajit said:
How is corsair vs550? And one more thing, gigabyte rx580 is available for 23.3k, isnt it good considering lg freesync monitor?

Don't buy VS series. Check out RMx or TX series from Corsair.
Yes, if the monitor has freesync AMD card is a wise choice esp. when the price is about the same as 1060.

nac said:
Don't buy VS series. Check out RMx or TX series from Corsair.
Yes, if the monitor has freesync AMD card is a wise choice esp. when the price is about the same as 1060.

Thanks @nac. What about antec psu? Are they comparable to corsair.

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RYZEN 5 1600-12,000
ASUS ROG STRIX B350-F GAMING-10,000
G.Skill 8GB DDR4 F4-2666C19S-8GVR-6,200
Kingston A400 120GB-2,000
ANTEC NE550M-3,800
Corsair SPEC-ALPHA Black-Silver-4,800
GIGABYTE AORUS RADEON RX 580 8GB-23,000
LG 22MP68VQ-P-9,600

Total 71k

Adding a AMD GPU is increasing your system price by 4k RX580 is a power hungry card for that a minimum 550 watts of PSU is required also RX580 is expensive by 3k

If you want a better performing card I would suggest a GTX 1060(Freesync is not supported) and this system will only need a CX450 which is 3.4k

Minion said:
RYZEN 5 1600-12,000
ASUS ROG STRIX B350-F GAMING-10,000
G.Skill 8GB DDR4 F4-2666C19S-8GVR-6,200
Kingston A400 120GB-2,000
Antec EA550G Pro-550-5,600
Corsair SPEC-ALPHA Black-Silver-4,800
Gigabyte RX 580 8GB GDDR5 GAMING-27,000
LG 22MP68VQ-P-9,600

Total 77k

Adding a AMD GPU is increasing your system price by 4k RX580 is a power hungry card for that a minimum 550 watts of PSU is required also RX580 is expensive by 3k

If you want a better performing card I would suggest a GTX 1060(Freesync is not supported) and this system will only need a CX450 which is 3.4k

Thanks.. btw gigabyte rx580 8 gb is selling for 23.3 k at vedant GRAPHICS CARD GIGABYTE AORUS RADEON RX 580 8GB

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@Minion can i consider corsair spec 4 with transparent side panel? Whats your view? can save some bucks there..

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suvajit said:
8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: Mid-October, can wait 1-2 months more if some upcoming hardware launch is worth it.

Yes, wait for possible price drop on GPUs.

SaiyanGoku said:
Yes, wait for possible price drop on GPUs.

Ohh i see.. then its better to wait

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suvajit said:
@Minion can i consider corsair spec 4 with transparent side panel? Whats your view? can save some bucks there..

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Price difference between spec alpha and Spec 04 is only 300/- better get spec alpha if you want to save some money then get this PSU ANTEC NE550M 550W it is available for 3.8k

If you are interested in freesync get that Aorus GPU as soon as possible there is maximum chance they are gonna increase its price

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SaiyanGoku said:
Yes, wait for possible price drop on GPUs.

@SaiyanGoku does it make sense if for the time being i build my rig with ryzen 5 2400g & add a gpu like 1060 or rx580 when the prices stabilize? What are the chances of bottleneck & is it gonna be future proof for at least 4-5 yrs?

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suvajit said:
@SaiyanGoku.. does it make sense if for the time being i build my rig with ryzen 5 2400g & add a gpu like 1060 or rx580 when the prices stabilize? What are the chances of bottleneck & is it gonna be future proof for at least 4-5 yrs?

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No,2400G(budget chip) is inferior to 1600(mid range).Also don't any expect any more price drop in near future because if nvidia drops price then no one will buy their latest GPUs

Minion said:
No,2400G(budget chip) is inferior to 1600(mid range).Also don't any expect any more price drop in near future because if nvidia drops price then no one will buy their latest GPUs

are there any news about new graphics card launches from amd? just enquiring if prices of polaris series will come down a bit after subdued mining craze.

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Just to add some info regarding mobos,don't buy any gigabyte ryzen mobo for now.MSI has best ryzen mobos in budget/mid range price(mainly msi tomahawk & msi gaming pro carbon ac) so get one of them(gaming pro carbon if possible).

whitestar_999 said:
Just to add some info regarding mobos,don't buy any gigabyte ryzen mobo for now.MSI has best ryzen mobos in budget/mid range price(mainly msi tomahawk & msi gaming pro carbon ac) so get one of them(gaming pro carbon if possible).

was thinking to go with msi series.. gaming pro carbon is a bit costly. whats your view on this MSI B450M MORTAR Motherboard (AMD Socket AM4/Ryzen 2nd Gen Series CPU/Max 64GB DDR4-3466MHz Memory)

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B450M Mortar Titanium has similar VRMs as Tomahawk but not sure about this non-titanium mortar version.Better to wait for tomahawk to come back into stock because mortar titanium is actually a little costlier than tomahawk.

whitestar_999 said:
B450M Mortar Titanium has similar VRMs as Tomahawk but not sure about this non-titanium mortar version.Better to wait for tomahawk to come back into stock because mortar titanium is actually a little costlier than tomahawk.

Am a noob about this vrm thing.. heard its important for overcloking. Can you throw some light about what is vrm & why its imp?

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VRM basically regulate voltage being supplied to processor & are the most crucial component in a mobo.Not just OC,a powerful processor(like 2700x) running at 90% load without OC for few hours cannot be handled by poor VRMs found on many B450 mobos(practically all gigabyte & majority of asus/msi). A poor quality VRM has to work more & because of that it gets heated faster resulting in thermal throttling of processor & reduced life of mobo. At least some asus budget mobos can handle stock/mild OC of 4core/6core ryzen but if you want peace of mind & good OC potential in future then stick with msi(carbon pro ac(must for something like 2700x) followed by tomahawk & mortar titanium).

whitestar_999 said:
VRM basically regulate voltage being supplied to processor & are the most crucial component in a mobo.Not just OC,a powerful processor(like 2700x) running at 90% load without OC for few hours cannot be handled by poor VRMs found on many B450 mobos(practically all gigabyte & majority of asus/msi). A poor quality VRM has to work more & because of that it gets heated faster resulting in thermal throttling of processor & reduced life of mobo. At least some asus budget mobos can handle stock/mild OC of 4core/6core ryzen but if you want peace of mind & good OC potential in future then stick with msi(carbon pro ac(must for something like 2700x) followed by tomahawk & mortar titanium).

Thanks @whitestar_999 very well explained.. what is the measure of vrm & does the specification page of mobo lists it so that we can compare diff. mobo vrm wise

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VRMs are not mentioned in specs of mobo,reviewers have to physically examine the mobo & test it for finding VRMs efficiency.Some experienced reviewers can make educated guesses by just looking at VRMs in mobo pics.Check out this video,it is done by a guy who has a bit of reputation at reddit & he buys mobos for testing out of his own pocket money so he rely mainly on observation to pick only those mobos which he thinks are worth testing.

whitestar_999 said:
VRMs are not mentioned in specs of mobo,reviewers have to physically examine the mobo & test it for finding VRMs efficiency.Some experienced reviewers can make educated guesses by just looking at VRMs in mobo pics.Check out this video,it is done by a guy who has a bit of reputation at reddit & he buys mobos for testing out of his own pocket money so he rely mainly on observation to pick only those mobos which he thinks are worth testing.

ok will take a look..

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@whitestar_999 in case of mobo which will be a better choice MSI B450M MORTAR TITANIUM Motherboard (Amd Socket AM4/Ryzen 2nd Gen Series CPU/Max 64GB DDR4-3466 MHz Memory) or ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING Motherboard (Amd Socket AM4/Ryzen 2nd Gen Series CPU/Max 64GB DDR4-3200MHz Memory) considering an amd ryzen 5 1600 ?

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All asus mobo below 20k(aka except their crosshair series) have average quality VRMs(still somewhat better than gigabyte though). Definitely go for mortar titanium or if you can wait & save 2-3k more then msi carbon pro ac is the best B450 mobo considering VRMs.

You don't need a top of the line motherboard. BZ is more concerned about world record overclocks, and cares only about the VRM MOSFETs. Price wise, going from 8k mobo to 20k mobo will maybe give you a few percent more performance out of your overclock, but spending that money on a faster processor will give you a much higher performance boost.

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mobo said:
You don't need a top of the line motherboard. BZ is more concerned about world record overclocks, and cares only about the VRM MOSFETs. Price wise, going from 8k mobo to 20k mobo will maybe give you a few percent more performance out of your overclock, but spending that money on a faster processor will give you a much higher performance boost.

^^The thing is there are some good 8-10k mobo with good VRMs from MSI(tomahawk,mortar titanium) so why purchase anything else & then there is ~13k msi gaming carbon pro with best VRMs in any B450 board.Good VRMs are not just for OC but they are also helpful when one is planning on using a processor like 2700x at 90% cpu usage for few hours daily.

I Am considering good mobo as am looking for the new build to last at least 4-5 yrs on moderate oc

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whitestar_999 said:
^^The thing is there are some good 8-10k mobo with good VRMs from MSI(tomahawk,mortar titanium) so why purchase anything else & then there is ~13k msi gaming carbon pro with best VRMs in any B450 board.Good VRMs are not just for OC but they are also helpful when one is planning on using a processor like 2700x at 90% cpu usage for few hours daily.

I am not disagreeing, but premium motherboards are significantly less value for money. On a fixed budget, you are better off with a 2700x and mid range motherboard, than a 2600 and a top end motherboard.

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What you are saying is right but only under the conditions that 2700x is not used at a heavy load(say 90% cpu usage) for 4-5 hours daily because as per buildzoid reviews some of the B450 mobos VRMs can't even handle power draw of 2700x at stock but at heavy load for even few hours.For 2700x the only good B450 mobo is msi gaming carbon pro which costs ~13k which is reasonable because this much should be spend on a mobo if processor itself costs ~28k.

^^ +1 on the point that a 28k CPU demands a MoBo worth 13k or more.

a friend is offering gigabyte gtx 1050ti oc edition 4 gb less than 1 yr old & within warranty period... for 9.5 k. Should i get it? what you guys think about the offer? @SaiyanGoku @whitestar_999 @ssb1551 @Minion

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suvajit said:
a friend is offering gigabyte gtx 1050ti oc edition 4 gb less than 1 yr old & within warranty period... for 9.5 k. Should i get it? what you guys think about the offer? @SaiyanGoku @whitestar_999 @ssb1551 @Minion

Not worth it.New ones are available for 13k but get a GTX1060 atleast lets you play all current title in ultra in 1080p

Minion said:
Not worth it.New ones are available for 13k but get a GTX1060 atleast lets you play all current title in ultra in 1080p

Ok thanks.. will stick to my plan of getting a rx580 8gb or gtx 1060 6gb

Finally ordered the following components :

Proc : AMD Ryzen 5 1600 - ₹ 11700/- ( starcomp.in)
Mobo : MSI B450M mortar - ₹ 8500/- (vedant)
Ram : Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB DDR4 3000 mhz
- 5668/- ( after 10% credit card discount on amazon)
SSD : WD 120 GB - 2100/- (Amazon)
PSU : Antec NE550M 550 watt Semi Modular -
₹ 3920/- (mdcomputers) (corsair cx550 out of stock everywhere)
Cabinet : Corsair Spec-4 Tempered glass side panel
₹ 3914/- ( great deal in amazon after 10% credit card discount)
GPU : Saphhire RX580 Nitro+ 8 GB - ₹ 24000/- ( vedant)
Monitor : LG 22MP68VQ - ₹ 8459/- (after 10% credit card discount on amazon)

Total - ₹ 68261/- ( comfortably within my budget

) . Thanks to everyone for their help.

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