installing linux!! · DIGIT-ARC

hi frnds!

After a long time finally i am going to install Linux on my PC. so, i need help regarding this. i have never used linux before so i don't know nothing.

Consider me a noob and pls tell me step by step process for installing linux.

what i have and what i want

1) a PC with 3 HDD (40 GB, 40 GB, 200 GB) unpartitioned. i have win XP installed and don't want to remove it.

2) i know there is some File system problem so, i won't be able to see my XP partition from Linux and vice versa. But i have heard that there is some
File system which can be used in both XP and Linux

3) i have Red Hat Linux (3 CD)......don't know very well what it is...

thanks for your HELP

Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" is ideal for starters. Download it or use Digit DVDs.
You can access your XP partitions from Ubuntu through ntfs-3g.
you can easily dual-boot XP & Linux.

ayush_chh said:
1) a PC with 3 HDD (40 GB, 40 GB, 200 GB) unpartitioned. i have win XP installed and don't want to remove it.

You do not have to remove XP

ayush_chh said:
2) i know there is some File system problem so, i won't be able to see my XP partition from Linux and vice versa. But i have heard that there is some
File system which can be used in both XP and Linux

You can READ AND WRITE to windows filesystems (NTFS and FAT) from Linux, no restrictions there

You can also read and write to ext3 filesystems of Linux from windows using a software. I do not recommend it though.

ayush_chh said:
3) i have Red Hat Linux (3 CD)......don't know very well what it is...

Its a good distro, but I do not have any experience with the latest RedHat. I use OpenSuSE 10.3. I have a post here on how to quickly make your OpenSuSE multimedia capable.

Now before you install any Linux I would like to have a look at you partition table. In Windows, Please click on Start->Control Panel->Computer Management-> and in that, click on Disk Management System

You will see all your partition tables. Press Print Screen button on your keyboard and post the screenshot here. Will then guide you on the partitioning.

*img217.imageshack.us/img217/9472/pubthefuture2cisopen466cr4.png

Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon is a good choice for everyone. Also you can try some other distros like openSUSE 10.3 and Fedora 8, they are also good and reliable.

I think most of todays distros have the NTFS 3g enabled by default and as a result NTFS partitions are not a problem to access.

Also if u have a moderate graphics hardware in your rig, then you can enjoy the full potential of compiz fusion in linux.

And if u want all the multimedia capabilities and codecs installed by default in Linux then u can install Ubuntu Ultimate.

Happy Linux Days!

M

debsuvra said:
Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon is a good choice for everyone.

You want to get me started again on this?

I suggest Ubuntu Gutsy as a n00b distro.else fedora 8(d00d,ur redhat 9 is affected by termites it is sooo old,damn trash those cd's :evil:

) which is RedHat changed their community distro name

*fedoraproject.org
and
Ubuntu @:
*www.ubuntu.com

always install GNU/Linux on a new partition and make sure a swap partition of 400MB is made.the File System preferred is ext3.

below site is useful too:
*www.linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

praka123 said:
I suggest Ubuntu Gutsy as a n00b distro.else fedora 8(d00d,ur redhat 9 is affected by termites it is sooo old,damn trash those cd's ) which is RedHat changed their community distro name
*fedoraproject.org
and
Ubuntu @:
*www.ubuntu.com

always install GNU/Linux on a new partition and make sure a swap partition of 400MB is made.the File System preferred is ext3.

below site is useful too:
*www.linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

SWAP partition is not reqd. more than 1.5~3 times of RAM. Correct me if i am wrong.

and @ayush_chh trash those old CDs

Either download Fedora 8 from its webby or use DIGIT DVD. Fedora is a nice stable Linux distro.

M

The Unknown said:
Fedora is a nice stable Linux distro.

Ever used Debian or FreeBSD?
I guess I am in a mean mood today.

Either download Fedora 8 from its webby or use DIGIT DVD. Fedora is a nice stable Linux distro.

so can i directly install it from DVD or need to burn it on CDs

@Nucleuskore

i'll be posting the screen shot soon

ayush_chh said:
so can i directly install it from DVD or need to burn it on CDs

@Nucleuskore

i'll be posting the screen shot soon

depends on the DVD. if its bootable, u can direct install.

@mehulved, why are always against Fedora ?

Even @praka123 isn't always against RH products.

and one more important thing, i m doing this because i m learning UNIX in my college and they use redhat (that is why i have redhat)......can i do shell programming in Fedora?

^ofcourse man!redhat linux is a very old distro now.it uses old kernel 2.4 contains outdated gcc etc packages.

my advice is you choose either ubuntu or fedora and do ur shell programming.

infact fedora=redhat+community now.

ayush_chh said:
and one more important thing, i m doing this because i m learning UNIX in my college and they use redhat (that is why i have redhat)......can i do shell programming in Fedora?

shell programming is supported on all *NIX (i doubt for live cds).

freebsd is crap.

M

The Unknown said:
@mehulved, why are always against Fedora ?

I am using F9 Alpha. I can understand unstable apps and bad bugs, considering it's Alpha release only. But, the distro overall is slowwww. Yum takes ages, it even removed libnss and installed older version without my permission. It installed GNOME, though i explicitly selected KDE only and left out all GNOME stuff. It's better than ubuntu when it comes to stuff like programming and all. But, calling fedora as stable, well see Debian and FreeBSD, then you'll know what I mean. Well, CentOS/RHEL is stable, fedora no. Yeah, maybe since you come from MS users you may consider it stable.

gary4gar said:
freebsd is crap.

beware bsd guys can crap on u

freebsd is good..OK didja ever tried openbsd?the best (secure) OS ?

bsds are not focusing on user friendliness that doesnot mean that bsds sucks. :-|

bsd's are the world's best server OS.

though I agree that pc-bsd is real buggy.

mehulved said:
I am using F9 Alpha. I can understand unstable apps and bad bugs, considering it's Alpha release only. But, the distro overall is slowwww. Yum takes ages, it even removed libnss and installed older version without my permission. It installed GNOME, though i explicitly selected KDE only and left out all GNOME stuff. It's better than ubuntu when it comes to stuff like programming and all. But, calling fedora as stable, well see Debian and FreeBSD, then you'll know what I mean. Well, CentOS/RHEL is stable, fedora no. Yeah, maybe since you come from MS users you may consider it stable.

Duh! I am using Fedora since last one year and never faced a problem like this. I agree that yum is a bit slow and its reason is Python. yum is written in Python which is damn slow on command-line ( i read this in a survey ).

which one out of these should i D/L

*torrent.fedoraproject.org/

U can get this months digit as it gives u fedora 8. This one btw!

M

The Unknown said:
Duh! I am using Fedora since last one year and never faced a problem like this. I agree that yum is a bit slow and its reason is Python. yum is written in Python which is damn slow on command-line ( i read this in a survey ).

yum refreshes the repos everytime you start it, unlike apt which is refreshed only when you ask it.
Secondly, yum uses database to store it's data, I believe sqlite whereas apt uses flat file system.

@The_Unknown (Post's directed only towards you) - Python is not slow. It depends on how you code your application. Codes written well, like those of O(log n) and anything thats not exponential. When you learn Python, you're supposed to get to know how to write an algorithm in the best manner, and that really speedens up your code, and sets it on par with any C/C++ code. Python's major part is written in optimized C code.

I suggest you read Python's Wiki for info on writing the best code rather than simply agree with a survey that it is slow and say the same without facts.

As an example, my Sieve Of Atkin implementation (Its an algorithm to find Prime numbers upto a supplied level) takes just 0.130s in Python for finding all primes upto a million. It would nearly be the same 0.100~ if written in C/C++ too. You can try it

And performance isn't limited to tools and methods within Python alone, it can be boosted via external tools as well.

P.s. And yes, I like putting an _ in your nickname. I like it that way. And it looks that way too.

mehulved said:
yum refreshes the repos everytime you start it, unlike apt which is refreshed only when you ask it.
Secondly, yum uses database to store it's data, I believe sqlite whereas apt uses flat file system.

yum -C install wateva!!

mediator said:
yum -C install wateva!!

I still prefer APT .

and Yes Fedora feels painfully slow .

Yes apt is better than yum when its comes to downloading speed, but yum is faster when it comes to installation speed!

Besides, the 'working on OS' part : slow or fast. Its ur opinion n may vary from person to person. IMO, fedora beats Ubuntu in terms of stability,boot speed,working speed etc.

M

mediator said:
Yes apt is better than yum when its comes to downloading speed, but yum is faster when it comes to installation speed!

Besides, the 'working on OS' part : slow or fast. Its ur opinion n may vary from person to person. IMO, fedora beats Ubuntu in terms of stability,boot speed,working speed etc.

Also, AFAIK yum is best try basis i.e. it will remove older version then try it's best to install new version but if it fails it can't roll back since older version is already removed. Compare it with apt or portage or such, which first install new package then remove older one so if something fails in new package it can be easily rolled back without any damage.

mehulved said:
Also, AFAIK yum is best try basis i.e. it will remove older version then try it's best to install new version but if it fails it can't roll back since older version is already removed. Compare it with apt or portage or such, which first install new package then remove older one so if something fails in new package it can be easily rolled back without any damage.

yum install yum-allowdowngrade

This is a yum plugin. I dunno why u r makin this thread a fedora Vs *, yum Vs apt. But neways here's sumthing u shud know!!

Source=yum install yum-*

yum-aliases noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 9.0 k
yum-allowdowngrade noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 7.4 k
yum-arch noarch 2.2.2-2.fc7 fedora 409 k
yum-basearchonly noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 7.9 k
yum-changelog noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 10 k
yum-cron noarch 0.7-1.fc8 updates 16 k
yum-kernel-module noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 7.8 k
yum-list-data noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 9.0 k
yum-merge-conf noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 8.7 k
yum-presto noarch 0.4.3-1.fc8 updates 18 k
yum-priorities noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 8.8 k
yum-protect-packages noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 8.3 k
yum-protectbase noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 7.8 k
yum-refresh-updatesd noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 7.5 k
yum-security noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 13 k
yum-tmprepo noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 8.2 k
yum-tsflags noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 7.2 k
yum-updateonboot noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 9.2 k
yum-upgrade-helper noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 8.7 k
yum-versionlock noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 8.2 k
yumex noarch 2.0.3-2.fc8 updates 316 k
Updating:
yum noarch 3.2.8-2.fc8 updates 509 k
yum-fastestmirror noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 9.1 k
yum-fedorakmod noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 10 k
yum-skip-broken noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 8.5 k
yum-updatesd noarch 1:0.9-1.fc8 updates 22 k
yum-utils noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 52 k
Installing for dependencies:
deltarpm i386 3.4-6.fc8 fedora 353 k
yum-downloadonly noarch 1.1.11-1.fc8 updates 7.5 k

Google as to what all of these available plugins mean. It will enhance ur "yum is best thought".

Now I guess u'll say next that yum doesn't keep existing packages in cache, so in that case u have to modify "keepcache" from 0 to 1 in /etc/yum.conf.

yum-presto is a neat thing. Find bt that also and then u an open up a thread in review/oss section marking yum vs apt.

You'll all scare off our original poster, he seems to have vanished
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ahh!that much plugin for yum.seems fedora fixed most yum/rpm related problems

Nah many were there at the time of FC5, -C option was there tooo. But it seems many were just unaware! Now that livna and freshrpms etc will merge, I guess things will become even better!

mehulved said:
yum refreshes the repos everytime you start it, unlike apt which is refreshed only when you ask it.
Secondly, yum uses database to store it's data, I believe sqlite whereas apt uses flat file system.

Yeah, its sqlite. Well as you say it refreshes repos everytime, you have to set some options like keepcache=1 in /etc/yum.conf

@QwertyManiac, i was expecting you here

Well, I am not saying that Python is slow as I myself use it. But one of the surveys conducted in 2002 had Python slowest!

mehulved said:
yum refreshes the repos everytime you start it, unlike apt which is refreshed only when you ask it.
Secondly, yum uses database to store it's data, I believe sqlite whereas apt uses flat file system.

Yeah, its sqlite. Well as you say it refreshes repos everytime, you have to set some options like keepcache=1 in /etc/yum.conf

@QwertyManiac, i was expecting you here

Well, I am not saying that Python is slow as I myself use it. But one of the surveys conducted in 2002 had Python slowest!

Bahahahaw. Ok, just do your homework now on before saying such absurd things.

NucleusKore said:
You'll all scare off our original poster, he seems to have vanished
*farm3.static.flickr.com/2180/2122604477_1f3f245df7_o.png

he is right i m totally confused

, sum say fedora is good and others say its bad..........

i have never used linux (please keep this in mind) and please tell me a straight answer to my question....

ayush_chh said:
he is right i m totally confused , sum say fedora is good and others say its bad..........

i have never used linux (please keep this in mind) and please tell me a straight answer to my question....

Try linux mint
*www.linuxmint.com/rel_daryna.php

if you didn't like you can always install other distros like fedora,suse etc

ayush_chh said:
he is right i m totally confused , sum say fedora is good and others say its bad..........

i have never used linux (please keep this in mind) and please tell me a straight answer to my question....

Just install wateva is available to u. Generally people don't update themselves and then perceive the situation to be still as 5 yrs ago! People still say that linux is all that black n white screen. WTH!

If u have fedora? install it, ubuntu? install it, suse? install it. BUt yes ubuntu n fedora have largest communities.

^^thanks. i will now install Fedora and post my problems(if i have them ).....

ayush_chh said:
and one more important thing, i m doing this because i m learning UNIX in my college and they use redhat (that is why i have redhat)......can i do shell programming in Fedora?

You have kind of answered you own question

The closest thing you'll get to RHEL is CentOS. Since they are using RHEL in your college better install CentOS. I've installed it, the installation is just like other distros nothing remarkably different, but I have just used the browser and office suite, nothing more in that.

*img217.imageshack.us/img217/9472/pubthefuture2cisopen466cr4.png

M

I'd rather advise using F8 then CentOS, since CentOS is more aimed at servers, thus you will miss many softwares that typical home users use frequently.

F

I know that I might sound foolish for recommending it . But if you buy Linux For You then you might check this months edition which has a copy of Sabayon Professional Edition 1.1 I think. According to the review in the magazine it seems to be very user friendly . It comes with all multimedia codecs if I understand it correctly. However I havent installed it yet to confirm how it is. So it might be worth checking out.

could not get this months DIGIT but now i have it....

yes i have fedora 8 (DVD) and it is bootable too.

ayush_chh said:
could not get this months DIGIT but now i have it....

yes i have fedora 8 (DVD) and it is bootable too.

Cool, Best you Luck!

ayush_chh said:
1) a PC with 3 HDD (40 GB, 40 GB, 200 GB) unpartitioned. i have win XP installed and don't want to remove it.

2) i know there is some File system problem so, i won't be able to see my XP partition from Linux and vice versa. But i have heard that there is some
File system which can be used in both XP and Linux

i still have these two problems unresolved.

plus how do i install Fedora 8

the three partitions are
c: (40 GB) - windows OS - NTFS
d: (40GB) - docs - NTFS
e: (200GB) - docs - NTFS

i can format d: i don't wan't to touch c: and e:

ayush_chh said:
i still have these two problems unresolved.

plus how do i install Fedora 8

the three partitions are
c: (40 GB) - windows OS - NTFS
d: (40GB) - docs - NTFS
e: (200GB) - docs - NTFS

i can format d: i don't wan't to touch c: and e:

Linux does not take partitions as c,d,e...
its the windows way, in Linux there a root partitions represented by backlash'/' & all other partitions are mounted on it.

use a live cd & in terminal type

Code:

sudo fdisk -l

post the output here

read this(optional): *docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f8/en_US/ch-disk-partitioning.html

it says

knoppix filesystem not found. dropping you to a shell. press reset to exit

don't know why......it was working before

^^ Now where did Knoppix come from in the middle of Fedora ?

NucleusKore said:
Now before you install any Linux I would like to have a look at you partition table. In Windows, Please click on Start->Control Panel->Computer Management-> and in that, click on Disk Management System

You will see all your partition tables. Press Print Screen button on your keyboard and post the screenshot here. Will then guide you on the partitioning.

I asked you to do this earlier but you haven't

It will help others to assess what is on the system.

The Unknown said:
^^ Now where did Knoppix come from in the middle of Fedora ?

Good question

*img217.imageshack.us/img217/9472/pubthefuture2cisopen466cr4.png

The Unknown said:
^^ Now where did Knoppix come from in the middle of Fedora ?

he told me to do it with a LIVE CD and i only had Knoppix........

@ nucleusKore

sorry for delay

*maxupload.com/thumb/08CD24DB.jpg

i have installed Fedora 8 provided by digit. i installed it in D:

this is the screenshot from XP now
*maxupload.com/thumb/2E653567.jpg

the problem now is that i cannot boot to Fedora.......i think i messed somewhere...please help!!!!

why can't i see any space used in D:......

^ The reason is Linux uses a Filesystem format which win32 cannot see.

that is correct ^^

but why am i not able to boot into Linux..............

Nah u didn't, from the looks of it u have not installed a boot loader, so boot into Linux using a pendrive or something, chroot, and install boot loader, lilo or whatever it is that comes with fedora.

I have personally found Fedora slow in general, as for myself I prefer Slackware.

^^ sorry, i didn't get nothing.........can u explain clearly.....

it asked for location from where u want to boot to linux (while installation) , i selected d:........

M

If you use windows notations when in linux, you're going to cause confusion all round.
Anyways, coming to the point. Install boot loader on MBR rather than root partition, to be able to boot from that boot loader.

Problems problems problems!!!

i reinstalled Fedora and this time it booted...BUT at the time it asked for creating Username , i skipped and continued.......NOW at login screen it is asking for Username and Password.......how do i login now????

one more thing ......it boots automatically to Fedora. I want to change it to Win XP......how do i do that?

^You dont get Grub Menu while booting?

Now, What is that???

ok i got waht is grub(googled it)............and other problem is also solved, entered 'root' as username and gave root password(googled this also).

@rahim

i get the grub menu.....it says "booting fedora in 3,2,1 sec, to boot to other system press any key"......this is what i want to change. i want XP to boot by default and if i want to boot fedora i should enter the boot menu.

How do i install Video Driver, i have Nvidia Fx 5200 graphics card. i am not having the driver CD, i downloaded the installer from net for XP, now what do i do for Linux?

To get that I think you have to edit a file /etc/grub.conf or /boot/grub.conf

U shudn't use root account! Create a normal user, system => administration => users n groups! Kool hun?

For boot to Xp first, open "/boot/grub/grub.conf" and change the value "default=0" to "default=1" !

To get well versed with fedora (nvidia,mp3 installation etc) checkout the guides...
*www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f8.html
*fedoraguide.info/index.php/Main_Page

^^Ya thats right and you can change the timeout before you boot to your desired OS.

ayush_chh said:
i get the grub menu.....it says "booting fedora in 3,2,1 sec, to boot to other system press any key"......this is what i want to change. i want XP to boot by default and if i want to boot fedora i should enter the boot menu.

See here.

thank you guys, i will try these in sometime.

Uh , this is why some people suggessted Ubuntu

Anyways this might help you chose a distro ..

Hey Maverick ,that link is useful.

Maverick340 said:
Uh , this is why some people suggessted Ubuntu
Anyways this might help you chose a distro ..

thanks a lot for the link................

they suggest me to use

Freespire,OpenSuSE,Kubuntu,Ubuntu,Mandriva

Click to expand...

Fedora(Not suitable) - May require Linux knowledge

BUT i have already installed it and will try my hand on this for sometime.......

mediator said:
U shudn't use root account! Create a normal user, system => administration => users n groups! Kool hun?

For boot to Xp first, open "/boot/grub/grub.conf" and change the value "default=0" to "default=1" !

To get well versed with fedora (nvidia,mp3 installation etc) checkout the guides...
*www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f8.html
*fedoraguide.info/index.php/Main_Page

thanks for the links....were really help full.

Fedora(Not suitable) - May require Linux knowledge

Humbug! Luckily, I started with fedora only!

mediator said:
Humbug! Luckily, I started with fedora only!

Yeah! Its an Humbug thing! I also started off with Fedora.

Yes its not true, I started with RH 7.0

^^ follow the link, answer the questions that they ask, and then see the result......

J

we need to live disk space for linux to be installed!

jagadeesh.k750i said:
we need to live disk space for linux to be installed!

what do you mean??
??????????????????????????

???????????????????

ayush_chh said:
it says

knoppix filesystem not found. dropping you to a shell. press reset to exit

Click to expand...

don't know why......it was working before

why do i get this message now? knoppix Live CD was working fine before.

what is yum ?

i have been trying to install Linux apps but don't know how to do that.

i have googled a lot but in vain.....i don;'t have any media player installed not even Nvidia graphix ........pls help me.....

Note:- i don't have Net access on the Linux system

Yum is an automatic updater and package installer/remover for rpm systems. It automatically computes dependencies and figures out what things should occur to install packages. It makes it easier to maintain groups of machines without having to manually update each one using rpm.

If you don't have net access better use distro like Linux mint, because its very difficult for newbies to setup fedora without internet.

So Get linux mint

ayush_chh said:
what is yum ?

i have been trying to install Linux apps but don't know how to do that.

i have googled a lot but in vain.....i don;'t have any media player installed not even Nvidia graphix ........pls help me.....

Note:- i don't have Net access on the Linux system

Didn't u read the links u quoted?
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=759232&postcount=63

gary4gar said:
Yum is an automatic updater and package installer/remover for rpm systems. It automatically computes dependencies and figures out what things should occur to install packages. It makes it easier to maintain groups of machines without having to manually update each one using rpm.

If you don't have net access better use distro like Linux mint, because its very difficult for newbies to setup fedora without internet.

So Get linux mint

yum = Yellow dog Updater modified.

formerly, when yum was not designed, YUP used to be the program to update s/w. YUP did not have the feature to install s/w I suppose.

More info about yum - *en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_dog_Updater,_Modified

hey wats upt with "apt url" ??
Downloading stuff from browser itself is kewl

mediator said:
Didn't u read the links u quoted?
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=759232&postcount=63

ya i read that i but i m not able to use it...........

where do i type those commands????

Oh that ways. U need to open terminal. Its like command prompt in windows.
GOTO : applications =>system tools => terminal.
Type "su" (to work as root/administrator) and type in ur root password.

Now u can follow the links.

T159 said:
hey wats upt with "apt url" ??
Downloading stuff from browser itself is kewl

??

what u sayin ?

mediator said:
Oh that ways. U need to open terminal. Its like command prompt in windows.
GOTO : applications =>system tools => terminal.
Type "su" (to work as root/administrator) and type in ur root password.

Now u can follow the links.

ok, i tried this too but still the commands are not working......i think i have this problem bcoz i m not connected to Internet. I see many links in those commands.....is that creating problem... :-|

Oh yea! U need to be connected to the internet. Just connect to the internet and follow the links casually. U'll understand everything urself.

One of the biggest advantage of using yum over apt is that, yum downloads the repomd.xml every time and checks whether the repository has new additions or not. If it has, yum downloads other files name like primary.xml.gz (or primary.sqlite.bz2), etc.

Unlike apt, if we don't update its lists, we will never get new added s/w to the repos.

A nice configuration tip to yum is -

Code:

....
metadata_expire=604800
keepcache=1
....

This will set yum to re-download metadata files (primary, filelists, other) (.xml.gz or .sqlite.bz2) after a week UNLESS the repomd.xml file contains a modification notice.

one word:apt updates package db if u do a "apt-get update" else,it remains the same.what special are u trying to say reg yum?

mediator said:
Oh yea! U need to be connected to the internet. Just connect to the internet and follow the links casually. U'll understand everything urself.

are yaar i have already told i don't have Internet Connection on that system.........is there any other way... :-|

praka123 said:
one word:apt updates package db if u do a "apt-get update" else,it remains the same.what special are u trying to say reg yum?

read my post carefully

ayush_chh said:
are yaar i have already told i don't have Internet Connection on that system.........is there any other way...

Oh sorry, I must have missed/forgotten that part then. I thought all this time u were posting from fedora

.

Neways, what do u mean by "that system". U mean u have 2 systems? If so why don't u share the internet connection?? If u need everything out of box, then u must install linux mint or ubuntu ultimate.....see the threads in digit club's open source section. I can't remember any fedora based distro that includes proprietary stuff out of box rt now.

U can do ur work/learn without internet too, as fedora comes with a lotsa programming stuff too. But for installing mp3 codecs/players,nvidia etc on fedora ,which doesn't bundle proprietary stuff by default, u need to have internet connection. So just get the net and all will be fine.

ayush_chh said:
are yaar i have already told i don't have Internet Connection on that system.........is there any other way...

I have earlier told you a simple way.

gary4gar said:
Yum is an automatic updater and package installer/remover for rpm systems. It automatically computes dependencies and figures out what things should occur to install packages. It makes it easier to maintain groups of machines without having to manually update each one using rpm.

If you don't have net access better use distro like Linux mint, because its very difficult for newbies to setup fedora without internet.

So Get linux mint

www.linuxmint.com

isse aacha to linux dalta hi nahi............

...kabhi Fedora kabhi ubuntu....ab mint

ok, which one of those ^^ should i d/l then. can you pls give me a torrent link for that.

ayush_chh said:
isse aacha to linux dalta hi nahi...............kabhi Fedora kabhi ubuntu....ab mint

ok, which one of those ^^ should i d/l then. can you pls give me a torrent link for that.

Go with what you have! i.e. Fedora

^ He must have removed it by now.

ayush_chh said:
isse aacha to linux dalta hi nahi...............kabhi Fedora kabhi ubuntu....ab mint

ok, which one of those ^^ should i d/l then. can you pls give me a torrent link for that.

I though Choice is Good. But if you are handicapped to make a choice for Yourself. Remove Linux & Stick to windows.

That is good for you, You can't use Linux.

btw, for what does he need package management ??

@ayush:take ur time.
fedora is just fine.install it.just make a partition of 8GB for "/" and a 1 GB swap if u want suspend feature.if u dont want software suspend,make a 400MB swap enough.
then start installing fedora.boot into fedora hdd installation and configure internet,come here-we are ready to help u.

praka123 said:
@ayush:take ur time.
fedora is just fine.install it.just make a partition of 8GB for "/" and a 1 GB swap if u want suspend feature.if u dont want software suspend,make a 400MB swap enough.
then start installing fedora.boot into fedora hdd installation and configure internet,come here-we are ready to help u.

+1

but he says he doesn't have internet on the machine he's loading fedora ???

ayush_chh said:
isse aacha to linux dalta hi nahi...............kabhi Fedora kabhi ubuntu....ab mint

ok, which one of those ^^ should i d/l then. can you pls give me a torrent link for that.

Hmmm. Clouded, this boy's future is.

praka123 said:
@ayush:take ur time.
fedora is just fine.install it.just make a partition of 8GB for "/" and a 1 GB swap if u want suspend feature.if u dont want software suspend,make a 400MB swap enough.
then start installing fedora.boot into fedora hdd installation and configure internet,come here-we are ready to help u.

thanks for your support. but the problem is the system on which i have Fedora is not connected to internet ( and i cannot connect

) . now i have decided not to install any media player and just use it for shell programming.

and if there is any other way of installing media player (without connecting to internet ) then pls let me know.

some more doubts

i follow Unix Programming by yashwant kanetkar for shell programming but again i m unable to execute all the commands.

like i cannot use 'banner' command + there is no information regarding bash shell in the book..

when people start reading real books ??

^Why not get a fedora dvd?and regarding multimedia dependecies may be u can use a program called OPYUM

Why not sabayon

praka123 said:
^Why not get a fedora dvd?and regarding multimedia dependecies may be u can use a program called OPYUM

ok i will give this a try......

Banner is not included in the fedora DVD. Its there in the "online" repos. U can "complete" ur system just by connecting to net one time and install wateva u need. Whats the prob, wats with the net neways?

ok then i will connect my system to net .......... one query, will my Network Card be working there, bcoz i don't know if driver is installed in Fedora or not..its an old frontech card

Most prolly yes!

ayush_chh said:
ok then i will connect my system to net .......... one query, will my Network Card be working there, bcoz i don't know if driver is installed in Fedora or not..its an old frontech card

Linux has problems with the latest hardware when there is no driver for the h/w. Linux fully supports old hardware.

yup the LAN card will work, mine is too frontech card.

i m now connected to Internet through fedora......

3 cheers for learning minds

@ mediator

now ur links were really usefulll......

i have installed Xmms, nvidia drivers, VlC, GCC what else should i install.......

T159 said:
3 cheers for learning minds

thanks..

Q) How do open each window in one window (like in windows)?

ayush said:
@ mediator

now ur links were really usefulll......

i have installed Xmms, nvidia drivers, VlC, GCC what else should i install.......

Depends upon ur requirements and greed.
Gcc is already there. I guess u instaleld some plugins to provide some compatibiltities. The first and foremost thing u shud do is setting up the path.

Open /home/<username>/.bash_profile and "append" the following where it says "PATH=$HOME/bin" etc, the following line to it.

Code:

/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin

logout and login.

Now u have full fedora commands waiting for ur orders. U shud most prolly install codecs like gstreamer and players like Xine, mplayer etc. Read the links and decide for urself.

For the window thing, open home direectory => edit => preferences => behaviour => check, " always open in browser windows".

mediator said:
Depends upon ur requirements and greed.
Gcc is already there. I guess u instaleld some plugins to provide some compatibiltities. The first and foremost thing u shud do is setting up the path.

Open /home/<username>/.bash_profile and "append" the following where it says "PATH=$HOME/bin" etc, the following line to it.

Code:

/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin

i cannot see any /.bash_profile there

yep its a hidden file. Press <ctrl+h> to see all the hidden files and when u have edited it, then press <ctrl+h> again!

^^ thanks a lot....

how do i run a C-program?

when i type gcc <filename.c> in terminal it says 'command not found'

ayush_chh said:
^^ thanks a lot....

how do i run a C-program?

when i type gcc <filename.c> in terminal it says 'command not found'

ru sure u installed gcc ?

I think u aint logout for the changes ($PATH) to take place. Logout n login. U can check if gcc is installed, if not then happy yumming.

As root => "yum install gcc"

BTW, post what ur bash_profile has got.

OR,
do a

Code:

source ~/.bash_profile

i still can't run c program.
whenver i type

$gcc ayush.c

it shows error 'command not found'

Code:

PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin

this is what my .bash_profile shows.

Give the content of the whole bash_profile and give the output of the following...

Code:

ls -l /usr/bin/gcc
echo $SHELL

open a terminal and ask the system:

Code:

whereis gcc

here is the content of whole .bash_profile

# .bash_profile

# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi

# User specific environment and startup programs

PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin

export PATH

the command gives the output

ls: cannot access /usr/bin/gcc: no such file or directory
/bin/bash

praka123 said:
open a terminal and ask the system:

Code:

whereis gcc

the o/p is

gcc: /usr/lib/gcc /usr/libexec/gcc

M

There you go, that's the problem. gcc is in /usr/lib which is not in your path. But, it's sure strange for gcc to go to /usr/lib. It has always been /usr/bin.

how do i change the path then?

but how did the path change? i followed everything that the link said

^no.gcc is not correctly installed I think. /usr/lib/gcc will be a directory.
@ayush:u have to reinstall gcc. :-|

that means i will have to connect that PC to net again.......

any other way??*gigasmilies.googlepages.com/23a.gif

M

type /usr/lib/gcc

where??

may be some luck with libexec do try in a terminal:

Code:

/usr/lib/gcc/libexec/gcc  --version

Here is the correct instance that should be invoked, the "which" command point to the name, should be inside bin

jit159@jit159-desktop:~$ which gcc
/usr/bin/gcc
jit159@jit159-desktop:~$ whereis gcc
gcc: /usr/bin/gcc /usr/lib/gcc /usr/share/man/man1/gcc.1.gz

try

find gcc

check this:
*www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-f...d-not-found-not-solved-still-please-help.html

both are directories( /usr/lib/gcc and /usr/libexec/gcc ) having this comman folder

i386-redhat-linux

i read somewhere that

Fedora 8 includes GCC 4.1 compiler

gary4gar said:
try

says no such file or directory found

ayush_chh said:
says no such file or directory found

u need to provide the filesystem path too

M

Seems you only have libgcc install and not gcc. gcc should be available in the DVD. Just use it as a repository and install it.

mehulved said:
Seems you only have libgcc install and not gcc. gcc should be available in the DVD. Just use it as a repository and install it.

Gcc is not installed by default

amazing

M

gary4gar said:
Gcc is not installed by default
amazing

what's so strange about it?

mehul said:
type /usr/lib/gcc

Thats a directory

Gcc is not installed by default
amazing

I usually customize fedora installs. May be gcc isn't dere in the default install kit.....will check next time.

@ayush: Try "yum install gcc" in ur root terminal (with internet ON).

Also append "/bin" to ur PATH variable to make it look like

PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/bin

GCC is there in the DVD. you have choose to install Development Tools Group. You may further customise the packages in Development Tools Group so that it doesn't install unwanted things.

probably he missed choosing Development tools manually

^^ so how do i include that now?

why take all the trouble, why don't u yum? Neways ur wish.

^^ the problem is i will have to connect that PC to internet again.....and that is a problem for me.

Oh. Then read this.

locate these rpms (ignore version) on ur fedora dvd and install em. It just might work!!

* libgomp
* glibc-headers
* glibc-devel
* gcc

cd /path_to_rpms_on_dvd
rpm -i package_name.rpm

M

ayush_chh said:
^^ the problem is i will have to connect that PC to internet again.....and that is a problem for me.

Have you been reading all replies? You don't need to.