Intel Ivy Bridge Discussion

[TPU] Ivy Bridge 1155-Compatible, Panther Point Detailed

Some time in the first half of 2012, Intel will release its next generation of desktop processors for the LGA1155 socket, based on the new Ivy Bridge silicon. Ivy Bridge is a 22 nanometer die-shrink of Sandy Bridge, with a few features added/improved.

To begin with, Ivy Bridge processors are seamlessly compatible with existing LGA1155 platforms, and "Cougar Point" P67, H67, H61, Z68, chipsets, although it will come with its own 7-series chipset.

There's the usual PCI-Express 2.0 x16 hub that can drive up to two discrete graphics cards with electrical x8 connections.

Cougar Point, Panther Point chipsets are seamlessly compatible with each other. Ivy Bridge processors can run on existing 6-series chipsets, Sandy Bridge should be able to run on Panther Point 7-series chipsets as well.
The incentive in Panther Point chipset, however, is that it will feature a newer FDI interface that will support up to three displays running simultaneously; and that it will feature an integrated USB 3.0 controller.

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Good news this!! :mrgreen:

^^ Excellent info gaurav. I think intel is following amd's route in terms of compatibility. This will be great news for all existing sandybridge owners as they can upgrade to ivy bridge as well.

Even panther point chipset is backward compatible with current sandybridge processors.

And the ability to display 3 monitors through igp is really icing on the cake.

Bulldozer watch out!!!!! :nanananana:

vickybat said:
^^ Excellent info gaurav. I think intel is following amd's route in terms of compatibility. This will be great news for all existing sandybridge owners as they can upgrade to ivy bridge as well.

Even panther point chipset is backward compatible with current sandybridge processors.

And the ability to display 3 monitors through igp is really icing on the cake.

Bulldozer watch out!!!!!

Seems like a few ex-AMD guys moved into Intel, and hence this great news. :mrgreen:

This is LGA 775 all over again I guess. Total compatibility.

However, Bulldozer won't have immediate competition since Ivy Bridge comes out in Q1 2012.
AMD will have a chance to recuperate maybe.

^^ First bulldozer has to beat sandybridge -E in order to get to ivy. Sandybridge-E processors for socket 2011 are going to be scorchers.

Look how entry level to lower midrange sandybridge cpu's are performing now. Just imagine how sandybridge-E will be.

Its not an easy fight with intel for amd. Its going to be very very interesting.

vickybat said:
^^ First bulldozer has to beat sandybridge -E in order to get to ivy. Sandybridge-E processors for socket 2011 are going to be scorchers.

Look how entry level to lower midrange sandybridge cpu's are performing now. Just imagine how sandybridge-E will be.

Its not an easy fight with intel for amd. Its going to be very very interesting.

Yes there will be competition and Intel is going to win it hands down...but the thing won't be immediate...LGA 2011 will be out on Q4 2011 AFAIK...Bulldozer comes in June...

^^ Ok but don't you think llano will arrive in june? Bulldozer i guess has an october release date. Has it changed?

Bulldozer will definitely beat the current sandybridge lineup but by how much margin has to be seen.

But lets not count out bulldozer. It looks to be a promising architecture. I guess this time around, they won't let intel get carried away with everything.

BTW, what are Sandybridge-E processors???

vickybat said:
^^ Ok but don't you think llano will arrive in june? Bulldozer i guess has an october release date. Has it changed?

Check this post.

saswat23 said:
BTW, what are Sandybridge-E processors???

Sandy Bridge-E processor line is for the socket LGA 2011.
Check this post for details.

[TechReport] Intel: Ivy Bridge graphics to feature DX11, triple-display support

Ivy Bridge is going to be an exciting product. Not only does it continue with the improvements AVX processor SIMD vector capabilities D3D11 and DX Compute Shader, 30 percent more EUs (execution units) and supports up to 3 displays and HDMI 1.4a, and an overall bandwidth boost from PCI 3.

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intel rocks always..

That is a strong move by intel. This means bulldozer will be good. I can't wait to see them go at each other.

one question..why is intel making sandybridge e proccys instead of releasing ivy bridge directly..?? Intel can release ivy bridge which will be compatible with 1155 socket..users will be confused in buying new system...what to buy..sandybridge + 1155 + ivy bridge later or 2011 + sandybridge e..

bhushan05d251 said:
one question..why is intel making sandybridge e proccys instead of releasing ivy bridge directly..?? Intel can release ivy bridge which will be compatible with 1155 socket..users will be confused in buying new system...what to buy..sandybridge + 1155 + ivy bridge later or 2011 + sandybridge e..

Intel wants to be richer by every release. That's the only explanation I can give.

Regarding what to buy, those who already have Sandy Bridge processors, they should wait for Ivy Bridge.
Those who haven't changed to LGA 1155 (they are still in LGA 1156, 1366 or 775), they can go for LGA 2011 Sandy Bridge-E.

socket 2011 will also get ivy bridge. intel really has a strong line up.

vickybat said:
socket 2011 will also get ivy bridge. intel really has a strong line up.

Ivy Bridge for LGA 2011?? :?:

^^ Yes socket 2011 will also get the 22nm die shrink.

vickybat said:
^^ Yes socket 2011 will also get the 22nm die shrink.

LGA 2011 --> Sandy Bridge-E / Ivy Bridge
LGA 1155 --> Sandy Bridge / Ivy Bridge

People should upgrade like hell!!!

Forgive the spam....

:hyper:

^^yup buddy :smile:

. Intel hasn't been this good for a long time in terms of upgradability. But i wonder why others are not posting in this thread. Perhaps there are lot more amd fanboys in tdf.

vickybat said:
^^yup buddy. Intel hasn't been this good for a long time in terms of upgradability.

Yes this is LGA 775 all over again. One socket accounting for huge line of processors. God bless them!!

vickybat said:
But i wonder why others are not posting in this thread. Perhaps there are lot more amd fanboys in tdf.

I second that.

Intel confirms PCI Express 3.0 and USB 3.0 including DirectX 11 On-die GPU

One of the most important changes introduced with Ivy Bridge will be the support for DirectX 11 and Intel has also raised the number of EUs found inside the on-die GPU to 16 in its most powerful CPUs, up from the 12 EUs found inside mobile Sandy Bridge processors and select desktop SKUs.

In addition, the new integrated graphics unit can now drive up to three independent displays.

The processor cores have also received some minor tweaks as their AVX performance has been slightly increased and Intel has updated the integrated PCI Express controller to the 3.0 standard.

This should double the bandwidth available to the 16 PCI Express lanes found inside the chip, from 500MB/s per lane to 1GB/s per lane.

The move will benefit multi-GPU systems as well as users who use high-performance PCI Express SSDs and other such devices that require a high data bandwidth.

The rest of the changes brought with Ivy Bridge come from the new 7-series Panther Point chipsets, which pack native USB 3.0.

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Its getting better and better in terms of connectivity options. It will have usb 3.0 and also feature intel's lightpeak (now thunderbolt) technology that has insane transfer rates.

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bhushan05d251 said:
Intel confirms PCI Express 3.0 and USB 3.0 including DirectX 11 On-die GPU

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Didn't I post this already?? DX11 and PCI 3???

2 things that are worth waiting for in Ivy Bridge:

1. USB 3.0 (cheaper boards & front USB 3.0).
2. PCIe 3.0 (GPU scaling like anything you have ever seen).

points that doesn't really matter:

1. Intel lightspeed (when USB 3.0 exist & as its universal)
2. multi-monitor setup (what the heck will you do with 3 monitors? run Dirt2? but enterprise or say stock market will benefit from it. or maybe hometheater system).
3. DX11 (run Metro 2033 or Metro 2034 on ivy bridge?)

BTW, anyone have info on the number of USB 3.0 ports. hope they have 2 front headers or say 6+ ports. & same for Sata 3.0

@gaurav, oops.. :-D

forgot that u had already posted..was just surfing that site and got that news..so thought i should post it..sorry..

Sam said:
3. DX11 (run Metro 2033 or Metro 2034 on ivy bridge?)

Well intel is taking on-die graphics seriously and plans to take on amd's bulldozer based llano head on. It will have more eu's and probably have the ability to play games and much better than today's sandybridge graphics.

Lets wait and see how it fares.

vickybat said:
Well intel is taking on-die graphics seriously and plans to take on amd's bulldozer based llano head on. It will have more eu's and probably have the ability to play games and much better than today's sandybridge graphics.

Lets wait and see how it fares.

Ivy Bridge graphics will be better but still DX11 gaming is marketing gimmick. surely i'll kill all the (current) 5k GPU's when it comes to gaming performance but still to enjoy some DX11 gaming a powerful GPU is needed but still a good step forward by Intel. i just wish they keep the price right as they did with SB. superb performance for good price.

Have a look at this

*img40.imageshack.us/img40/5475/intelsandybridgeedeskto.jpg

Sandy bridge have just arrived and other Architecture by Intel has Shown Up !! WTF !! It's better but why Intel doesnt have some gap between new releases ?

^^because of the competitions and benchmarks...if amd wasn't there then we would still have been using pentium d or c2d may be..

BUMP

Some update on Z77 chipset which will support the Ivy Bridge CPUs:-

Intel Z77 is top Ivy Bridge chipset

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Ivy Bridge to process media up to 4X faster

Ivy Bridge now to come in Q2 2012

Some update:

Exclusive: Intel's future base clock options unveiled by VR-Zone.com

Suddenly, looks a bit ordinary.

Upgrading to Ivy Bridge to be blocked by UEFI changes?

Meanwhile VR Zone reports that current motherboards may not be compatible with Intel's forthcoming Ivy Bridge processors due to a UEFI related issue. If motherboard makers are unable to fix this problem it will be quite a disappointment as most vendors have gone out and said that their 6-series boards are compatible with Ivy Bridge.

According to our sources, Intel will for example have to do a factory re-work on its own brand motherboards for Ivy Bridge support to be possible, as apparently a clean wipe of the Flash ROM on the motherboard is required to upgrade to the new UEFI version. This is something that apparently can't be done either by the end user or a service location. What we don't know is if this applies to all motherboards, or if this is an issue unique to Intel.

This is bad news for anyone that's been looking at upgrading to Ivy Bridge while keeping their old motherboard, but there's a potential glimmer of hope. On motherboards with a pair of BIOS chips, it should be possible to perform the UEFI upgrade by first flashing the secondary BIOS chip and then the primary one. That said, this would be up to the specific motherboard manufacturer to enable this process for the end users and even in this case, we're not certain if it'll work with all motherboards.

On a second note related to Intel, Sandy Bridge-E (enthusiast) processor might be released on november the 15th,

Intel will have processors as well as compatible Desktop Board products (Intel-branded motherboards) out in the markets, ready for purchase. Ideally, motherboard vendors should have their socket LGA2011 products stocked up by then, too.

Intel will begin the Sandy Bridge-E platform with Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition 6-core Unlocked processor, Core i7-3930K 6-core Unlocked processor, and Core i7-3820 4-core processor. Intel X79 Express is the De facto desktop chipset. The first compatible Intel Desktop Board products include DX79SI, and DX79TO.

Well its confirmed that all h67,p67 and z68 mobos will support ivybridge. Its confirmed by a much reliable site- Anandtech

Besides, check the following:

Intel's Ivy Bridge Architecture Exposed

Ivy Bridge is considered a tick from the CPU perspective but a tock from the GPU perspective.

Link?

^^ Its given in post # 35.

Sorry, I thought a separate article. Only time will tell which piece of information is true.

Ivybridge graphics core is completely redesigned from sandybridge. Has hardware tessellation units and its EU's are completely different from sandybridge. It even has dx 11 support with multimonitor display support as well.

Except 60% more performance than sandybridge graphics.

Must say, intel is taking graphics performance much seriously.

Skud said:
Sorry, I thought a separate article. Only time will tell which piece of information is true.

So, are you expecting a scam like what happened in faking BD benchmarks? :unsure:

Not exactly, but you never know about technology. Both can't be true at the same time.

Skud said:
Not exactly, but you never know about technology. Both can't be true at the same time.

This sounds better. But the only word applicable for the time being is to wait.

It's coming on April 2012:-

Ivy Bridge launch schedule leaked | thinq_

^^ nice find and this is going to be a long HOT wait ;-)

This leak is even better:-

Intel's Ivy Bridge CPU lineup revealed in leaked slides - TechSpot News

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Only two unlocked processors? :shock:

Oh, I forgot, the enthusiast platform is on Socket 2011. On the positive side, all but one are quad core.

Some more details at Toms:-

The First Intel Ivy Bridge CPU Clock Speeds and More

A 77w tdp

These are really energy efficient. I'm interested on the gpu side.

TDP looks good, very good.
Where is the replacement for 2600K?
And also 2 unlocked processor! :shocked: This sucks.

2700k is the replacement for 2600k, which will be replaced by 3770k IB.

Oh, so we can't expect any more price drop of 2600K. Thanks for clearing this.

Intel Reveals Official Next-Gen "Ivy Bridge" Chip Performance Numbers to Partners - X-bit labs

Hopefully, these chips would be price to price replacement of existing SNB parts.

Intel's mobile Ivy Bridge CPU line-up revealed by VR-Zone.com

All that you need to know about Intel Ivy Bridge

I am still happy with my 2500k, if IB will only 10-20% faster than sandybridge, i would like to skip it.

Intel Ivy Bridge Core i7-3770K Overclocking

Intel's Ivy Bridge CPU Die Layout Estimated

Interesting article. Good to know that ivybridge gpu is programmable for GPGPU computing.

The CPU cores are made up of four x86-64 cores with 256 KB dedicated L2 cache per core and shared 8 MB L3 cache. The System Agent holds the dual-channel DDR3 integrated memory controller (DDR3 1600), a PCIe interface (as a shared x16 port or two separate x8 ports), a DMI link, a display controller, power controller unit, and a FDI link. The Graphics Core has 16 programmable EUs that handle parallel processing loads for the GPU and can be programmed to perform GPGPU tasks. In addition, it holds the Multi-Format CODEC, which supports MPEG2, VC1, AVC and also MVC (multi-view video coding) for stereoscopic 3D. All the components are bound by a ring-bus that transports tagged data between the CPU cores, the graphics core, the L3 cache, and the system agent.

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something interesting
Ivy Bridge Core i7-3770K Overclocked to 7GHz :shock:

*www.expreview.com/img/review/news/7GHz02.jpg

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*en.expreview.com/2012/02/26/ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-overclocked-to-7ghz/21410.html

^^ Holy molly :shock:

That too with all cores enabled. If this is true, then the feat is simply astounding. Also saw that it easily touches 5ghz with minimum vcore increment.

Wait, 7GHz? Will it be fully unlocked? Or like 2600k, upto 57x, I mean 63x is something only top intel cpus are aimed for, that ivy will make every cpu(yes, every) redundant.

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hehe yes as per that link but have to confirm from more sources
here what they said
Earlier we have got to know Intel Core i7-3820 could be overclocked to 5.66GHz, however, we may care more about the overclocking capability of Ivy Bridge processor, once there was a friend in our forum revealed that Core i7-3770K only needed 1.1V to be overclocked to 4.6GHz, 5GHz with 1.17V.
The result was encouraging, what about its extreme overclocking capability? According to the report from BSN, Core i7-3770K was overclocked to 7.06GHz from 3.5GHz in liquid nitrogen condition. At that time, the multiplier was 63x, external frequency was 112.11MHz at the voltage of 1.889V. Most importantly, no core was disabled and hyperthreading was on.
Currently the overclocking record on file was the 8.858GHz of Bulldozer with only two cores enabled. Intel’s highest record was 8.3GHz from Celeron 360, Core i7-3770K has just arrived at 7GHz, but the 22nm process has brought the possibility for Ivy Bridge to get a higher overclocking level.
damm thats some crazy stuff they are telling :wink:

^^ Just to inform you FX-8150 reached 7467.44 Mhz using LN2 with 8 cores and 8 threads enabled @1.872v vcore ;-)

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/overclock...-powered-antec-hcp1200-cooled-ln2-7467mh.html

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thats like great stuff

AMD going on 8 cores full stabled oc at 7.5 Ghz :mrgreen:

yep, Intel holds the performance crown but when it comes to raw clock speed only AMD is still the winner ;-)

Intel HD 4000 still 25-30% slower than HD 6550D.

Quick Sync gets 40% faster.

5% more IPC.

Lying b@stard returns; this time with the wafer. :mrgreen:

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AnandTech - The Ivy Bridge Preview: Core i7 3770K Tested

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5GHz at 1.2v

^^ yup, really expected with 22nm. i7-3770K would make a good upgrade to my i5-2500K. :mrgreen:

found this ;-)

Core i7-3770K Ivy bridge @ 7 GHz fully benchable! ~ OBR-HARDWARE

and a glimpse of Z77 ;-)

*www.legitreviews.com/article/1868/1/

ico said:
^^ yup, really expected with 22nm. i7-3770K would make a good upgrade to my i5-2500K.

2500k still good enough for feed anything .. :mrgreen:

2500K is still a great VFM cpu but 3770k will be a good upgrade for those who are willing to pay for it ;-)

So will SB prices drop due to IB launch(any chances)

For those who have SB, no need to upgrade to IB unless you are using onboard GPU and want the boost, but I doubt any 2500k/2600k owner limping on the onboard GPU and also want to game(face it, all integrated GPUs suck at gaming, all, llano, trinity, IB doesn't matter, all you get a barely playable FPS with COD4).

sunny10 said:
So will SB prices drop due to IB launch(any chances)

Not much, intel carefully priced IB, don't expect a 10k 2600k or something, maybe 1/2k drop max.

check this out ;-)

*www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/2012/March/General%20News/ivybridge_slide.jpg

Ivy Bridge confirmed for 29th of April

The Ivy Bridge Preview: Core i7 3770K Tested

Anandtech has previewed the i7 3770k. Check it out guys.

^ see my post above.

^^ oopsy i missed that buddy.

That picture you posted completely masked that link ( atleast for me :grin:

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But how come nobody commented anything about your post? I think it was pretty important info you provided. I guess most others missed it as well.

Btw buddy this ivy (most probably its an ES imo) is performing like a beast. Its ipc is even better than sandybridge-E parts.

You gonna go for it??

topgear said:
check this out

*www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/2012/March/General%20News/ivybridge_slide.jpg

Ivy Bridge confirmed for 29th of April

Naah, I can't wait. I've to go with sandy bridge now.

^^ you have one SB rig ( on the siggy ) - so better would if you can wait for 2/2.5 months more ;-)

BTW, here's a new preview and Benchmarks @ 4.7 Ghz ;-)

Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge-E @ 4.7GHz Preview by VR-Zone.com

ASUS Sabertooth Z77 preview

*i.imgur.com/d1qrp.jpg

*i.imgur.com/Ph2gS.jpg

Gigabyte Z77 Mobos Preview ;-)

*www.vortez.net/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=14397

*www.vortez.net/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=14398

*www.vortez.net/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=14401

*www.vortez.net/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=14395

*www.vortez.net/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=14394

The first Gigabyte mobn looks real nice.

Nooooooooo... Giga is back with colored heatsinks!!! Previous gen's black/grey was better.

One question: Ain't 7 series chipset not compatible with SNB CPUs? Anandtech's link shows CPU support as IVB only.

AnandTech - A Brief Look at Some Upcoming 7-Series Motherboards

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Check these links

MSI Z77-GD65 and a Z77 snapshot - CPUs, Motherboards & RAM - Build - Reviews - Atomic MPC

[Xfastest]ASRock Z77 Extreme6+ Intel Core i7 3770K Tested

Intel Core i7 3770K "Ivy Bridge" Gets tested on ASUS Rampage IV Gene-Z Motherboard

Skud said:
Nooooooooo... Giga is back with colored heatsinks!!! Previous gen's black/grey was better.

One question: Ain't 7 series chipset not compatible with SNB CPUs? Anandtech's link shows CPU support as IVB only.

AnandTech - A Brief Look at Some Upcoming 7-Series Motherboards

yep, 7 series chipset Ain't compatible with SB cpus - only has support for IVB ;-)

AnandTech - The Ivy Bridge Preview: Core i7 3770K Tested

What would be the price of Core i7 3770K ??

topgear said:
yep, 7 series chipset Ain't compatible with SB cpus - only has support for IVB

AnandTech - The Ivy Bridge Preview: Core i7 3770K Tested

Great way to screw customers.

How are customers screwed ?no idiot would buy buy a z77 for a sb proocessor z68 is for sb

^^ Yup, people opting for z77 and its derivatives will go for an ivybridge and eventually it will replace all sandybridge parts.

The important part is existing z68 owners can get an ivybridge cpu as its compatible. It seems illogical when viewed the other way round.

So i guess no one is screwed.

So down the line if my mobo screwed up due to any unforeseen circumstances (Extreme Gamer's case comes to mind), and there's no Z68 mobo available in the market, I have to switch to a newer CPU too.

Skud said:
So down the line if my mobo screwed up due to any unforeseen circumstances (Extreme Gamer's case comes to mind), and there's no Z68 mobo available in the market, I have to switch to a newer CPU too.

You get a 3 years warranty with your board and within these years if it gets screwed, you get a brand new rma'ed board each time.

After 3 years you might want to switch. But nothing is perfect in this world.
There will be flaws if you try to find them in everything.

Imagine the condition of current llano users. They cannot upgrade to trinity as it fits in a completely new socket and its not even the other way round.

See the pros my friend. You can still fit an ivybridge into your existing mobo.
You should be satisfied with it. Look at me, i still have my 1156 with zero upgrade path and i'm still happy.

If Rashi provides a brand new board, that's it. :neutral:

And if I am not mistaken there's a provision of providing a similar class of product (Z77 here) if the exact model (Z68 here) is not available as a replacement. In this way the RMA will be honored, but what the SNB owner will do with that board?

I am not unhappy and can see the pros, and the situation I have mentioned may occur rarely, but don't you think it's weird? Llano & trinity have different sockets altogether, but nothing like that here, the CPU socket is still same and generally they remain backward compatible for one generation at least.

Yeah how can a producer develop new products without flexibility if he cares about compatibily with older products how can we get newer ,better and more powerfull products
In this case we should be thankfull they are increasing performance and giving us option to use our old motherboards also

Oh, so one generation looks older to you, that's great to know.

If they were really serious about real powerful products, why not they make Z77 as powerful as X79. No. of SATA 6Gbps ports, PCIe lanes also remains same as older SNB platform

Skud said:
If Rashi provides a brand new board, that's it. And if I am not mistaken there's a provision of providing a similar class of product (Z77 here) if the exact model (Z68 here) is not available as a replacement. In this way the RMA will be honored, but what the SNB owner will do with that board?

I am not unhappy and can see the pros, and the situation I have mentioned may occur rarely, but don't you think it's weird? Llano & trinity have different sockets altogether, but nothing like that here, the CPU socket is still same and generally they remain backward compatible for one generation at least.

Ok Z77 will support sandybridge cpu's.

All Ivy Bridge chipsets and motherboards support both Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge CPUs. Ivy Bridge based processors will officially support up to DDR3-1600, up from DDR3-1333 of Sandy Bridge. Consumer Ivy Bridge chipsets will also allow overclocking of K-series processors.

Source

Now be happy.

OK, just checked, most of the previews/reviews of Z77 mobos out are with SNB CPUs only.

Again more than being happy or unhappy, it sounds plain weird. And having options is always better, you never know about that outside chance.

Thanks Vicky.

^^ may be you will get an ASUS Sabertooth Z77 ( if you need to RMA your current mobo ever ) and anandtech guys must have screwed something ;-)

z77 chipset supports Sb cpus
ASUS Sabertooth Z77 preview
HARDOCP - Intel Express Z77 Chipset Motherboards - ASUS Shows Off Z77 Motherboards
Close-up look at GIGABYTE's Intel Z77 Ivy Bridge motherboards :: TweakTown USA Edition

here's the official spec ;-)

Z77A-GD55 CPU Support

Found an interesting article:

Why Ivy Bridge Is Still Quad-Core

Worth a read imo.

^^ I read that article months back. Nice article imo.

Hey people see this,

Intel Ivy Bridge Processors To Launch March 23 2012 | PC Perspective

What is the difference in i7-3770k and i7-3770S just the TDP???

But they say
"Of these CPUs, only the top end Intel Core i7-3770T and i7-3770S along with the Core i5-3470T processors will include Intel's Hyper-Threading technology."

"S" price is less compared to with "k" one??? How's that?

The performance of the 'S' model will be less than that of the 'k' model

so u mean they mentioned it wrong on their article

or on the overclocking side

Its just the launch they will not be available to buy on 23rd ,proccesors will come in market on 29th april

amjath said:
Hey people see this,

Intel Ivy Bridge Processors To Launch March 23 2012 | PC Perspective

What is the difference in i7-3770k and i7-3770S just the TDP???

But they say
"Of these CPUs, only the top end Intel Core i7-3770T and i7-3770S along with the Core i5-3470T processors will include Intel's Hyper-Threading technology."

"S" price is less compared to with "k" one??? How's that?

I think the K sku cpus can be OCed only .. so they are priced higher ;-)

So it means "s" or "t" cannot be overclocked???

They said those are for hyper threading so if i dont OC then I could go for "s" or "t" right??

Differences between i5 2500k,i5 2500s and i5 2500t:
Compare Intel® Products
^All that would result in lower performance of the 's' and 't' processor
Review of i5 2500T processor:
Gigabyte H67N-USB3-B3 Mini-ITX and Intel Core i5-2500T / Core i3-2100 Review - Introduction

i get it thx a bunch

^you're welcome

Overclocked review.

Tends to run very hot.

Intel Ivy Bridge Overclocking with the Core i7 3770K and Core i5 3570K CPUs - Power and Temperature Tests :: TweakTown USA Edition

97C at just 4.8GHz!!! :shock:

BTW, the FX8150 yields awesome scores.

Skud said:
97C at just 4.8GHz!!!

BTW, the FX8150 yields awesome scores.

It's obvious it is a bad sample or maybe Intel have limited overclocking potentional in ivb, maybe they are trying to keep their SB-E Sales up.

Skud said:
97C at just 4.8GHz!!!

BTW, the FX8150 yields awesome scores.

Bad chip.

Neither bad chip nor bad sample.

22nm process will take time to mature. Plus, the chip has shrunk too much compared to the sweet die size and perhaps also has current leakage problem. This is the best Intel can give at the moment in terms of thermals.

Power consumption is well under control btw.

^ No 'valid' screenshot released yet.
And, its Intel processors that is being discussed about, not any AMD processor which generally takes time to mature.

d6bmg said:
^ No 'valid' screenshot released yet.
And, its Intel processors that is being discussed about, not any AMD processor which generally takes time to mature.

lol.. it is fabrication process being discussed by me, not any processor. Every fabrication process takes time to mature.

Plus, there was a thread on Xtremesystems where another i7-3770K ES was showing high temps.

but even for ES chip the temps are just too hot ... They OCed well with low vcore and Tweaktown has used Corsair H100 - so the temps should be a little lower.

The 3570k looks a promising though on temp side - it's max temps was 76c but with just 200 Mhz more speed the 3770k reached 97c which is not acceptable and this is really alarming :

We actually got it to hit 105c at some points and throttle down.

But let's wait for some more mature chips like they said :

The most important thing to remember, though, is we're still dealing with early versions of the CPUs.

check asus,msi,gigabyte global sites panther point chipsets motherboards are showing now with a coming soon logo

Awesome news is that Intel ll be shipping Ivy Bridge to end customers before the end of April.

More Leaked Benchmarks from Intel's Ivy Bridge

If temps are that much then would be a worthy upgrade or not ??

For SNB users I doubt, unless you are moving from i3/i5 to i7. Temps may come down with the latest revision which will be ultimately released to retail.

check this out :
MSI overclocks Ivy Bridge to 7 GHz with liquid nitrogen

^ reminds me of the time when FX8150 was overclocked to 8GHz or something like that. :lol:

pcie-3 enabled only with ivy for cpu and gpu

d6bmg said:
^ reminds me of the time when FX8150 was overclocked to 8GHz or something like that.

but that was not with all the cores enabled .. let's see how far ivy bridge can go with 2 cores enabled ;-)

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so ivy bridge is to be launched by april end - as reported by Economic times

will the prices of sandybridge (i5 2400 and i3 2100) will go down???

^^No way, check the prices of the first generation processors, they're high even after the release of SNB.

ASUS P8Z77-V PRO @16.1K
Link: Click Here
ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE @20.7K
Link: Click Here

Both are overpriced btw.
V-pro should be around 13.5K, where v-deluxe should be around 17.5K (max)
Asus India/Rashi has become greedy nowadays and showing that by charging too much for everything.

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ivy brigde prices should be far above snb??
or comparable prices with snb???

@d6bmg:

I guess those models are PCIe 3.0 compliant, and they are charging excess for that. A much better option is this:-

Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD4

^ Actually, price of Gigabyte & MSI motherboards haevn't been increased too much is not at all.
And, without 22nm IB processor, the much hyped PCI-E3.0 won't get the bandwidth, and it will work as PCI-E 2.0

Gigabyte doesn't need to increase price, it has virtually vanished except some lower end models. Even the UD4 is also out of stock in Flipkart.

The reason I had to go with ASUS.

Isn't GA-Z68XP-UD4 available in Kolkata?

Last time I checked (Feb) it was not.

BIOSTAR Launches TZ77XE3 Motherboard - Intel Z77 Chipset - Legit Reviews

*legitreviews.com/images/news/2012/biostar-TZ77XE3.jpg

No doubt that the new Z77 motherboards @ flipkart are priced high. Check this.

topgear said:
BIOSTAR Launches TZ77XE3 Motherboard - Intel Z77 Chipset - Legit Reviews

*legitreviews.com/images/news/2012/biostar-TZ77XE3.jpg

Excellent placement of PCIe x16 slots, now go buy 3 graphics card. Wait, who made those straight SATA ports?

And why they are still using VGA/DVI out? Give a HDMI out and bundle a converter, that will suffice.

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RiGOD said:
No doubt that the new Z77 motherboards @ flipkart are priced high. Check this.

yeah, agree with you............ hope once all vendors start keeping stock of them by next month........... there could be price difference .....

that biostar board looks good except for the placement of sata ports.

yep, Biostar should really think about changing the locations of the sata ports on this mobo.

BTW, here' something interesting ;-)

*vr-zone.com/articles/evolution-int...-join-with-mic-multi-teraflop-chip/15476.html

More z77 based ASUS motherboards.

(Courtesy : topgear :wink:

)

BTW check this & this.

^^ Thanks for the links ;-)

BTW, check this out :
Intel?s Z77 Express And Lucidlogix MVP: New Features For Gamers : Z77 Express: USB 3.0 And Enhanced Manageability

^^An article worth reading.

Although Intel’s Z77 Express offers minor power reductions and management software updates, integrated USB 3.0 and the inclusion of Virtu MVP are the best reasons for users to care. While we probably wouldn’t spend the money to upgrade from Z68, new system builders have nothing to lose and a few small things to gain by choosing a motherboard with Intel’s latest mainstream platform controller hub.

So as expected (atleast by me :wink:

) no performance gain over the z68. Power savings by a few watts, integrated USB 3.0 and the price point will make it a good buy.

The pricing of Ivy Bridge CPUs will be same as SNB CPUs

@Rigod, H61, H67, P67 and Z68 will also support the Ivy Bridge processors via a Firmware and BIOS update.. That's a good news for all the present Sandy Bridge users as they have a room for upgrade, but the only they might miss is the PCIe 3.0 (Benchmarks show only slight performance gains on 3.0 over 2.1), so even that would be OK for them. No need to buy new ~~overpriced~~ Z77 boards which are nothing but just marketing hype.

^^Overpriced? The ASUS P8Z77-M costs around 8.2k with all these features. There are Gigabyte/MSI z77 boards coming and the according to the newegg prices they have models for the budget buyers too.

^^ nice find ... little but powerful beast ;-)

here's another Z77 mobo roundup review ;-)

Intel Z77 Chipset Launch Roundup

Bad news. ASUS P8Z77-M price shoots up.

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so those who are going for snb should wait for ivy bridge ???

did some research , the ivybridge competitor of i5 2400 is i5 3450

similar specs..
same price i.e, 184$

Revised Ivy Bridge launch schedule confirmed

Buy Asus P8H77-M PRO Intel H77 Motherboard in Mumbai India

Will the h77 and non-k ivy bridge cpus allow overclocking or is it limited to k cpus?

^^No OC'ing in non-k processors, but Turbo Boost will be there.

I heard that all the 7 series mobos will be allow overclocking. Is it true?

even if it true you still need clocking cpu

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i want to buy a new pc with PCIe 3.0 motherboard.So i should wait till may without buying core i7 2600k ?

what's the use of a pci-e 3.0 mobo without a IVB cpu - so you better wait for IVB cpu.

GamerKP said:
i want to buy a new pc with PCIe 3.0 motherboard.So i should wait till may without buying core i7 2600k ?

Yout put in i7-2600K in any motherboard, you'll get PCIe 2.0. PCIe lanes come from the processor, not from the motherboard.

That said, for PCIe 3.0 lanes from the processor, the motherboard should also suppert PCIe 3.0.

Anyways, PCIe 3.0 is not needed. PCIe 2.0 has way more than sufficient bandwidth and is fine if you want to buy now.

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@topgear @ico
in april's digit i saw they suggest i7 2600k with ASRock Extreme 7 Gen 3 motherboard and in asus's advertisement they said any 22nm cpu is ok for pcie 3.0 ,so i thought if i7 2600k is a 22nm cpu.plus i will definitly buy zotac gtx 680,so shouldnt i go for pcie 3.0 ?
by the way whats the actual difference between pcie 2.0 and pcie 3.0? double the bandwidth means faster internet? if that then no need.i will post my config request after 15th april(wbjee).please help me that time.

9by the way when was i7 2600 k is a 22nm cpu last heared it was 32 nm cpu
afaik only ivy bridges cpu are 22nm
any only ivy cpu+gen3 z68mb(updated bios)
or only ivy cpu+z77mb
will give u pcie3 but there is hardly any difference pcie3 and pcie2

GamerKP said:
@topgear @ico
in april's digit i saw they suggest i7 2600k with ASRock Extreme 7 Gen 3 motherboard and in asus's advertisement they said any 22nm cpu is ok for pcie 3.0 ,so i thought if i7 2600k is a 22nm cpu.plus i will definitly buy zotac gtx 680,so shouldnt i go for pcie 3.0 ?
by the way whats the actual difference between pcie 2.0 and pcie 3.0? double the bandwidth means faster internet? if that then no need.i will post my config request after 15th april(wbjee).please help me that time.

nope .. it means a lot more FPS in games but actually the gain is minimal .. this should give you an clear idea about what you should expect ;-)

*images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/HD7970/HD7970-69.jpg

*images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/HD7970/HD7970-68.jpg

Intel i7 3930K @ Stock on ASUS P9X79 WS

So unless you are going to run HD7970 or GTX 680 in multi GPU mode there's no real need to think much about pci-e 3.0 IMO

AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB Review - Page 21

pci-e 3.0 benifits from multi GPU config ... but who has got the moolah ;-)

*i119.photobucket.com/albums/o139/callsign_vega/PCI-ETests.jpg

*www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1537816&mpage=1

wow. based on these charts. single/double card owners will nothing have to worry about PCI 3.0. there isnt much bigger difference. :woot:

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thanks.that will save me a lot of money.no need pcie 3.0 anymore.

Someone already bought the board yesterday- maximus V Gene!! Z77!! Oh yeah!!

The Sorcerer said:
Someone already bought the board yesterday- maximus V Gene!! Z77!! Oh yeah!!

Nice!! But without 22nm cpu? :lol:

I particularly like MSI Z77A-GD65 at its $170 pricing. If it comes into India market @10K, it will beat the crap out of Asus boards.

@Sorcerer: Any idea about its price?

Here is the release date, April 23rd.
Ivy Bridge tipped for April 23rd launch - SlashGear

topgear said:
pci-e 3.0 benifits from multi GPU config ... but who has got the moolah

*i119.photobucket.com/albums/o139/callsign_vega/PCI-ETests.jpg

PCI-E 2.0 vs PCI-E 3.0 BATTLE ROYAL!!?!

Unless they have used ES of 22nm processor, this comparison chart is absurd. 32nm processors can't even use the potential bandwidth of PCI-E3.0

d6bmg said:
Unless they have used ES of 22nm processor, this comparison chart is absurd. 32nm processors can't even use the potential bandwidth of PCI-E3.0

You need IVB Processors to use PCIe 3.0 btw...

d6bmg said:
Nice!! But without 22nm cpu?

i7 2600k. Killer stuff. Don't be surprised if a lot of people will consider this combo, because its great. If you're going anything more than 1600MHz, cl9- after seeing what I saw, its a good combo.

Sandybridge will still be mainstream even after ivybridge, maybe until something else arrives pretty quick after that.

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New rumours that have come to light seem to suggest that Intel is looking to bump up their launch date for their upcoming Ivy Bridge processors. It’s not a big change from its original launch date, but the new date advances the launch by 6 days to April 23rd.

Source :
Intel may move up Ivy Bridge launch to April 23 | Electronista

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looks like its better to wait for i7 3770k,relese date is so close.

@d6bmg the first day i came here and asked for config,u suggested me to wait for ivy bridge.and here it comes...

GamerKP said:
looks like its better to wait for i7 3770k,relese date is so close.

@d6bmg the first day i came here and asked for config,u suggested me to wait for ivy bridge.and here it comes...

And you will get better config now.

Waiting have its own value.
Now, for the motherboard, have a close look on MSI Z77A-GD65 and its price.
Asus Z77s is just a bit overpriced now.

by the way, what its price in india?
d6bmg-Now, for the motherboard, have a close look on MSI Z77A-GD65 and its price.

I don't know anything about the price. That's why I've mentioned 'have a close look'.

z77 Maximus V Gene was bought for around 16k- for those who want to know.

The Sorcerer said:
z77 Maximus V Gene was bought for around 16k- for those who want to know.

Thanks for the info.
But this is getting ridiculous. A $210 board @16K means ~77/- per dollar. I never saw this kind of ratio in pricing in my entire time spent in hardware world.

Or it is just me.

You haven't seen much.

But that is on the higher side, almost extreme.

afaik the prices for z77 mb are the best available (lowest in india)at prime abgb but only asus most dealers will keep a high price till time of launch of ivyor stock depletion of z68/p67 motherboards

d6bmg said:
Unless they have used ES of 22nm processor, this comparison chart is absurd. 32nm processors can't even use the potential bandwidth of PCI-E3.0

well, they used i7-3960X + X79. That platform has PCIe 3.0 since day 1.

^^ thanks for the reply ;-)

GamerKP said:
thanks.that will save me a lot of money.no need pcie 3.0 anymore.

you will get pci-e 3.0 for free with z77 mobo

GamerKP said:
looks like its better to wait for i7 3770k,relese date is so close.

and if you are getting that cpu this is one more good reason to have a pci-e 3.0 mobo ( read z77/x79 ) and GTX 680 - let's churn out those extra 2/3 fps ;-)

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@d6bmg MSI Z77A-GD65 will be around 9000 inr in india.i saw this review :- AnandTech - Intel Z77 Panther Point Chipset and Motherboard Preview ? ASRock, ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, ECS and Biostar

but i dont know anything about the overclocking capability.

@topgear how about these pcie3.0 motherboards : ASUS Rampage IV gene(best buy april,12 from digit) or ASRock x79 Extreme 6 Gen3(editors pick april,12 from digit)
both are kinda expensive though(above 18000).too much for a motherboard.

take a look at this one...supports ivy bridge and looks really awesome
ASRock > Products > Z77 Extreme6
is it better than the msi one? both same price

GamerKP said:
but i dont know anything about the overclocking capability.

The answer is lying in the article you have mentioned in your post -

Power Consumption and Power Delivery

It has been well documented over the past few months that the top end model of the new processors should have a TDP of 77W. This is just shy of 50 watts less than the top models seen in Sandy Bridge-E, but more importantly, down from 95 watts as shown by the 2600K/2700K processors of Sandy Bridge. This does force a small change with the power delivery on Panther Point/Z77 products.

With less TDP to cater for, the motherboard manufacturers can spend less on the power delivery to get it to work. So there is a chance that the days of '24 phase power’ are long gone, and we will be dealing with less phases. Fewer motherboards will have dual 8-pin 12V connectors, and unless you go high end, may only require one 4-pin 12V connector to get the job done. Obviously if you apply an overclock, having access to more current (and thus more power) is of major benefit, but for the majority of system builders who will run systems at stock, this could represent savings in the construction being passed on to the consumer.

However, this does lend itself to potential issues when used in conjunction with Sandy Bridge processors—having a power delivery system less robust than Z68 could perhaps hinder Sandy Bridge overclocks.

In short if you plan to OC any Sandy Bridge with Z77 mobo you can not utilizes it's (SB Proccy) all potential.
So get any Z77 with Ivy Bridge-K not SB.

there's only chances but it's not entirely true that most of the z77 mobos will have less VRM than z68 mobos - cheap mobos will have less vrm to reduce cost more costly z77 mobos will have more vrms to support better OCing for both SB and IB cpus.

for eg. ASUS P8Z77-V Pro - 12 + 4 phase VRM design @ $225 and Asus P8Z68-V Pro Gen 3 - 12 + 4 phase VRM design @ $210 - either the price difference will reduce or ASUS P8Z77-V Pro will entirely replace the Asus P8Z68-V Pro Gen 3 mobo but it won't matter much to the buyers of SB cpus as both mobos has same nos of vrm and every other features are identical - so the ASUS P8Z77-V Pro mobo will OC SB cpus very well like the Asus P8Z68-V Pro Gen 3.

Wait for some reviews to come out.

Intel slashes 22nm Ivy Bridge desktop prices before launch

And i7-2600K is available at microcenter @199.99 +tax. They have removed it from their site.

^^I guess that won't make much difference for end users like us. The retailers will benefit here.

topgear said:
there's only chances but it's not entirely true that most of the z77 mobos will have less VRM than z68 mobos - cheap mobos will have less vrm to reduce cost more costly z77 mobos will have more vrms to support better OCing for both SB and IB cpus.

for eg. ASUS P8Z77-V Pro - 12 + 4 phase VRM design @ $225 and Asus P8Z68-V Pro Gen 3 - 12 + 4 phase VRM design @ $210 - either the price difference will reduce or ASUS P8Z77-V Pro will entirely replace the Asus P8Z68-V Pro Gen 3 mobo but it won't matter much to the buyers of SB cpus as both mobos has same nos of vrm and every other features are identical - so the ASUS P8Z77-V Pro mobo will OC SB cpus very well like the Asus P8Z68-V Pro Gen 3.

Yep ! Z77 mobos are future proof at little extra cost for now.

RiGOD said:
^^I guess that won't make much difference for end users like us. The retailers will benefit here.

Oh, they always benefited at any price; they just don't pass on that benefit to us.

d6bmg said:
Intel slashes 22nm Ivy Bridge desktop prices before launch

And i7-2600K is available at microcenter @199.99 +tax. They have removed it from their site.

That a good piece of news mate.

Good for future potential buyers.

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Intel Ivy Bridge Once again features 95W TDP - Core i7 3770K Retail Box Pics Confirm

^^ thanks for the info ... still a 77W TDP cpu can limit the potential of OC .. so it's a nice move by Intel that they kept a suitable headroom to oc IB cpus unlike what anandtech has predicted ( see previous post for that ).

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ivy bridge releasing on april 23..finally..

topgear said:
^^ thanks for the info ... still a 77W TDP cpu can limit the potential of OC .. so it's a nice move by Intel that they kept a suitable headroom to oc IB cpus unlike what anandtech has predicted ( see previous post for that ).

77 Watt TDP will increase the potential for OC by hiving much more headroom for OCing.

hi guys is the ivy bridge cpu worth going i have heard rumours on some forums the overclocking chip are unstable high temp even with water cooling will wait for some
official reviews to take a call on that

Hey guys, how does tdp determines the overclocking capacity of a cpu?

Here's a review on Ivy Bridge's HP Elitebook [Yes yes Ivy bridge]. What really surprised me is this

Working with Ivy Bridge was also a pleasure. As seen by the benchmarks, what we have here is a platform that runs very quickly, with low heat, and good battery life.

I already had my fingers crossed

HP EliteBook 8470p Review - Intel Ivy Bridge Shines

saikiasunny said:
Hey guys, how does tdp determines the overclocking capacity of a cpu?

Less TDP cpus will remain much more cooler and consume less volt and power - and less volt consumption and cool cpu temps increase OC potential.

d6bmg said:
77 Watt TDP will increase the potential for OC by hiving much more headroom for OCing.

but less TDP can also mean a cpu has a limited power consumption barrier and won't reach further compared to the higher TDP models in the same series and that's why Intel has increased the power consumption limit of 3770K and that increased it's TDP.

and look at some power saving cpu models from both Intel ( Q8 and Q9 series ) and AMD - they are not great OCable cpus compared to the non power saving models.

Thanks for the reply. Another question
Would i able to overclock an i5 3570k on a h77 mobo?

according to the Intel website
Intel® H77 Express Chipset
and Asus P8H77-M PRO mobo spec :
ASUS - Motherboards- ASUS P8H77-M PRO
H77 supports OCing

but acc to the anandtech review
AnandTech - The Ivy Bridge Preview: Core i7 3770K Tested
H77 has no OC capability

But I've heard that all 77 chipset supports OCing so wait for confirmations from others.

Yep, even flipkart has mentioned that H77 boards supprot but reviews tell the opposite.
BTW, found this: Intel's desktop Ivy Bridge Core i3 processors priced by VR-Zone.com

if H77 supports OC or not can't say for sure without any proper review where the CPU is OCed using a H77 mobo but acc to the manufacturers H77 supports OC or may be they are just shipping with some kind of OC app

MSI Global ? Mainboard - H77MA-G43
ASRock > Products > H77 Pro4-M

But IMO H77 boards wont support OCing, if they did so then no one would ever opt for Z77.

It was told 23rd right? Any Sign?

i read in some forum 1800 hours eastern standard time or1700 gmt

Intel releases 22nm Ivy Bridge processors

rigod the link you give is no launch
here the approximate time 5 pm uk time
[BBC] Intel launches Ivybridge
to get all details of ivy cpu 35 page of reviews go to this link at 5pm uk time
*www.pcadvisor.co.uk/features/pc-upgrades/3352693/intel-ivy-bridge-processors-tested/#ixzz1srimK0ka

^^Thanks for the link mate.

Intel Core i7-3770K Review: A Small Step Up From Sandy Bridge

Temps are high when overclocked.

Like I had told a couple of guys over PM when they asked whether to wait for IVB.

Found this: Ivy Bridge Graphics: Entry-Level Cards are Dead | PCWorld
I think it was known earlier too.

saswat23 said:
Found this: Ivy Bridge Graphics: Entry-Level Cards are Dead | PCWorld
I think it was known earlier too.

They were already dead when Llano came out.

Here is another one:

Anandtech ivybridge review

Quick sync is blazing fast. Even bests nvidia's Nvenc which is a fixed function logic present in gtx 680.

so for overclockers better to go for sandybridge especially i7 2600k non overclockers can
buy ivy bridge or wait 2 months to see if 22nm chips become matured in heat dispersion
is the inference.Intel must be nuts to call their flagship cpu-i7 3770k,deeply disappointed in its overclocking
capabilities especially for air cooling

And noe this comes up:
www.newsroom.intel.com/community/in...ng-exciting-new-experiences-and-fun-to-the-pc

Like I said: 2600K+ Z77 is the way to go. And quick before its too late!

Not much space between die and IHS for heat dissipation. Wait for future IVBs.

The Sorcerer said:
Like I said: 2600K+ Z77 is the way to go. And quick before its too late!

Yep! But choose Z77 mobo wisely b'cause some entry level mobo's VRM were pretty much basic for 2600k if anyone want to OC.

*i.imgur.com/vnFo5.png

@ico, how they recorded 100+ temp? that easily crosses the processor safety limit

*images.anandtech.com/doci/5763/Stock%20Speed,%20Vary%20Voltage.png 80+ on stock. looks like Pentium4 days are back. And 55 @ 0.9V :facepalm:

Intel deliberately holding off the mid & lowend Ivys to fix this heat problem. Highend Ivy Bridge will mostly use aftermarket coolers. Moreover they tested these under specially cooled rooms. Here in India where 40 is considered normal for summer days, Ivy Bridge will run real hot. Ivy Bridge CHULHA Edition

The Sorcerer said:
And quick before its too late!

most online shops (not to mention local ones) happily offer you a Clarkdale based processor if you ask for. So you think SB will disappear that fast?

I am worried about Ivy Bridge laptops as well. We all know how much laptop OEMs compromise on cooling.

Thing is, Ivy Bridge's die size is small - so less area for heat conduction compared to a "sweet spot". Sandy Bridge had bigger area and around the sweet spot, so ran cooler because heat conduction was fine. Intel should have added two more cores to IVB. Bigger die size and should have ran cooler.

Check this out btw:

*i.imgur.com/xz2Zm.png

Sam said:
@ico, how they recorded 100+ temp? that easily crosses the processor safety limit

Ivy Bridge's Tjmax is 105.

d6bmg said:
77 Watt TDP will increase the potential for OC by hiving much more headroom for OCing.

A mix of both - power consumption and temperature.

ico said:
Intel should have added two more cores to IVB.

Intel need a genius like you

SB's Core i3s didn't overheat even if they had smaller die area. reason being they were clocked low and can't be overclocked.

ico said:
Ivy Birdge's Tjmax is 105.

didn't know. thanks for the update.

with the release of IB cpu will Intel stop the production of SB cpus to push future buyers towards IB cpus ??

Sam said:
SB's Core i3s didn't overheat even if they had smaller die area. reason being they were clocked low and can't be overclocked.

ya, you're right. Though i3-2100 does run a bit on the hotter side compared to i5-2500k at stock.

btw, do you see we haven't seen a dual core Ivy Bridge i3.

Quad Core only at the moment for PCs (Edit: even laptops too). Because dual core IVB i3 will be way too small. Aur bhi garam hoga.

Temperature will be decided by the power consumption and power hence heat "flux" through the area. But then to increase the area, you will add more cores (transistors) - power consumption will also increase somewhat. All in all, you need to find the "sweet spot".

intel seem to be taking the route of amd ,
what the point of this launch,for integrated graphics
lano will beat the hellout of ivy any day
for power consumption both sandy and ivy are almost equal at idle
only at load ivy is 25-30 watts less than sandy

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Ivy Bridge was never projected to be as impactful as its predecessor, though. The company’s “tick-tock” cadence defines alternating steps forward in processor architecture and manufacturing technology. When Intel pulls off a successful new design based on mature lithography, the improvements tend to be big, bold, and beautiful. Nehalem and Sandy Bridge, both “tocks,” left us satisfied and smiling. A process shrink typically introduces other benefits, such as smaller dies and power savings. Benchmark results, however, typically don't change as drastically.
See this
Intel Core i7-3770K Review: A Small Step Up For Ivy Bridge : Ivy Bridge: Was It Worth The Wait?

Not a large gain in performance though.

dfcols71 said:
intel seem to be taking the route of amd ,

not at all.

my question is woundnt an overclocked sandybridge 2600k provide similar if not better benchmarks than ivy 3770k except for power consumption and integrated graphics
all ican think is big gain for intel in ivy chips cheaper to make for intel

dfcols71 said:
my question is woundnt an overclocked sandybridge 2600k provide similar if not better benchmarks than ivy 3770k except for power consumption and integrated graphics
all ican think is big gain for intel in ivy chips cheaper to make for intel

yup. It will obviously.

This is a TICK. Not a TOCK.

Google about Intel's Tick-Tock strategy. Tick = Die Shrink. Tock = New Architecture.

Sam said:
most online shops (not to mention local ones) happily offer you a Clarkdale based processor if you ask for. So you think SB will disappear that fast?

Maybe dissapear, maybe not available, maybe bump up the price.

pcforumguy said:
Yep! But choose Z77 mobo wisely b'cause some entry level mobo's VRM were pretty much basic for 2600k if anyone want to OC.

Why would anyone choose a board below tier 2 level?

HD4000 on linux.

[Phoronix] Intel HD 4000 Ivy Bridge Graphics On Linux Review

The Sorcerer said:
Why would anyone choose a board below tier 2 level?

For Price !

i.e.

Asus P8Z77-M = 4 +1 Phase Power Design = 9.5 To 10k
Asus P8Z77-V LX = 4 + 1 + 1 Phase Power Design = 10 To 11.5k

I know there are alternatives in every price range and that's why I say, choose Z77 mobo wisely b'cause some entry level mobo's VRM were pretty much basic for 2600k if anyone want to OC.

Judging by all the reviews I read and the graphs posted by ico, I personally think the Intel's Ivy Bridge is a let down. There's no such thing as "upgrade" from a Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge. An i7 2600k overclocks more than the i7 3770k and still runs around 10-15 degrees cooler. Also even if the Tj.Max of Ivy Bridge is 105, it's not safe to let a core run at around 85 degree at 4.5GHz obviously. Sandy Bridge i7 2600k has Tj.Max of 98 degrees, and it ran at 71 degree average at 4.7GHz. Simple maths show that 2600k ran at 72% of it's safe limit which is quite distant and 3770k ran at 80% of it's safe limit. Performance benchmarks show a mere 1~1.6% increase in productivity apps. Then why opt for an Ivy Bridge processor? Tell us.

Intel, what have you done...

pcforumguy said:
For Price !

That's nothing more than stupidity. Lower tier boards sacrifice a lot to save money. If people can't afford to buy near decent hardware then they shouldn't buy one.

desiJATT said:
Intel, what have you done...

There are many + to what Intel is doing

First the Ivy will be bit cheaper to produce & will be priced more
Hence more profit.

The fab process gets matured and issues like not overclocking well/heating will be ironed out so the next architecture change will bring Bucket Loads of improvements.

Process matures, Higher Yield for next processors (as it will be a tock process remains same i.e 22nm), more stable more default factory overclocking for next gen.

Intel are doing it right, its in our hands to choose.

Its a WIN for intel at every step

Check this: Patience--Wait for Ivy Bridge Ultrabooks

If i am right the main purpose of ivy was to test and mature 22nm for intel's next Tock.so there is no meaning in arguing on ivy's performance and upgrading to ivy if you already have a SB.

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Also if you need a new CPU right now then just go for SB. Waiting for Ivy does not seem worthwhile. Plus when Ivy launches they'll definitely be overpriced and no point buying something that's just 1-2% faster for 1-2k more

sukesh1090 said:
If i am right the main purpose of ivy was to test and mature 22nm for intel's next Tock.so there is no meaning in arguing on ivy's performance and upgrading to ivy if you already have a SB.

overclockers-sb,non overclockers can go with ivy

dfcols71 said:
overclockers-sb,non overclockers can go with ivy

why should non-overclockers go for IB.SB is also great for non overclockers.if any one is buying new processor and if IB is priced within 0.5k price range of SB then he should go for IB because it offers lot more features and faster quick sync.

Omi said:
Its a WIN for intel at every step

That's the only WIN I see.

sukesh1090 said:
If i am right the main purpose of ivy was to test and mature 22nm for intel's next Tock.so there is no meaning in arguing on ivy's performance and upgrading to ivy if you already have a SB.

In my opinion, it's just that Ivy didn't perform to the extent what people wanted. So, just to cover that part off, they are "maturing the 22nm architecture".

I know i might be wrong, but correct me with a better statement next time. I don't think "maturing 22nm architecture" reason is a just for the release of a new lineup of processors

. Let's see what other experts here have to say.

desiJATT said:
Judging by all the reviews I read and the graphs posted by ico, I personally think the Intel's Ivy Bridge is a let down. There's no such thing as "upgrade" from a Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge.

Ivy was never meant to be an upgrade for SB. Its a die shrink. Means, you'll get everything out of it expect extra performance. Still it is delivering extra performance on the graphics side. But by the time Ivy Bridge's entry level processor enter the market it''ll face a well established Trinity APU army that will perform 75% of Core i3s & will offer far better graphics performance.

Also Ivy is mainly aimed at laptops. More battery life, no need for el cheapo crappy entry level GPU, runs cool (theoretically it should but didn't laptop ones will run cool) and still cost same.

SunE said:
Also if you need a new CPU right now then just go for SB. Waiting for Ivy does not seem worthwhile.

yup. Intel HD2500 is going to be crap for sure. And so won't run games any better than HD2000. And HD4000 will be reserved only for 10-12k proccy. On the other hand no improvement in performance. Only +ve sign is that they have lower power requirement but if they continue to heat like the unlocked i7s, then they will be in same spot as FX.

desiJATT said:
In my opinion, it's just that Ivy didn't perform to the extent what people wanted. So, just to cover that part off, they are "maturing the 22nm architecture".

AMD Llano was faster than AMD Athlon II?

In my opinion, it's just that Ivy didn't perform to the extent what people wanted. So, just to cover that part off, they are "maturing the 22nm architecture".

I know i might be wrong, but correct me with a better statement next time. I don't think "maturing 22nm architecture" reason is a just for the release of a new lineup of processors . Let's see what other experts here have to say.

the whole world knows that ivy is a tick and intel never bragged around saying you will get magical upgrade over SB.why will they try to hide something which they never told to anyone.all the reviewers and everyone knew that ivy will be only 10-15% faster than SB.it was foolishness to expect more than that within one year :wink:

.can you just do me a favor and take a look at wikipedia's article about Intel's Tick-Tock.I know you are disappointed but I am telling you that ivy was never intended to make you jump on your chair with joy. :wink:

hmm..This seems to sum it all up now, read about Tick Tock, I realize that it's the "Tick" thing right now, the Tock will bring something to brag about

IMO i5-3570k is good price per performance than i7-3770k

Review: Intel Core i5-3570K (22nm Ivy Bridge) - CPU - HEXUS.net

Why Ivy bridge runs hot on overclocking???? Explained

Ivy Bridge Temperatures – It’s Gettin’ Hot in Here | Overclockers

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Intel has unfortunately(For Consumers) leap frogged AMD in terms of Performance.

Intel is pushing Ivy towards laptops and run of the mill desktop users, so they are not keen on the OC temps, so the TIM issue, they are forcing OC'ers to buy SB-E, something to do when you don't have competition, at ALL.

^^ totally agree with you on this.

amjath said:
Why Ivy bridge runs hot on overclocking???? Explained

Ivy Bridge Temperatures – It’s Gettin’ Hot in Here | Overclockers

^^ interesting read ... thanks for the nice find ;-)

I dont know whether i should post other forum links here but its important find

Bought an Ivy Bridge today - bit-tech.net Forums

breaking news intel ivy cpu s makes its debut in new egg prices damn high i5 3570k-250$,
i7 3770k 350$
Newegg.com - New 3rd Gen Intel® Core™ CPUs
Newegg.com - CPU Processors, Intel CPU, AMD Processors

@dfcols71
can we expect the same pricing in india? And till now i cant find any listing in india.
A small blow to the ones who waited for IB IMO.

^^The prices here will be about 20% more than that at newegg.

the increase is due to tax or just the worst dollar conditions

I5 3570K is Available at Newegg.com for $249

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RiGOD said:
^^The prices here will be about 20% more than that at newegg.

Yes this is true.. I remember 10 months before, i5 2500 was sold at 9500 (cheapest) and now 11800 or something.. sad.

then the $was 44-45.now its 52

amjath said:
I dont know whether i should post other forum links here but its important find

Bought an Ivy Bridge today - bit-tech.net Forums

If it's important then it's absolutely fine to post other forum links in a post - no need to use spoiler tag.

^ ok cilus

BTW

Ivy Bridge's heat problems persist, even with the removal of its IHS :: TweakTown USA Edition

Still couldn't find a answer why should I go for IB instead of SB

If i buy i5 2500k , then i have to buy a z68 or p67 or z77 motherboard for overclocking . but the price here are high and more thank 10k . So is there any motherboard for overclockers at price less than 7.5 k . Or we should wait more and buy when the price decrease ??? and when can we see the price decrease???

^^Biostar TZ68K+ @7235 (Flipkart).

RiGOD said:
^^Biostar TZ68K+ @7235 (Flipkart).

yeh! this is the cheapest z68 motherboard available , but is it good??? i mean i didn't see any member with that motherboard in their *sign* .

When will the Ivybridge be available in india

Sainatarajan said:
When will the Ivybridge be available in india

same doubt and i cant find any gigabyte h77 mb for ivybridge any news about it?

It'll be available very soon. Just wait for a week or two. But trust me, the prices are going to be damn high.

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Yes the price is going to be around 15k at least for the i5 3570k. Better to buy i5 2500k instead as according to me IB is going to be a huge fail since it does not perform as good as SB. Agree guys?

afaik oc'ing is the biggest challenge in IB. Other things are similar with SB. Not everyone's gonna oc their cpu.?!
Check this out,
cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012042902_Intel_Ivy_Bridge_processors_are_released.html
who is the loser here? The consumer or the supplier?

Hey Guys,

A little caution if anyone want to upgrade to Ivy with Gigabyte 6 series mobos (Z68) -

We grabbed the Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 motherboard, updated the BIOS to the latest version (F12), and dropped a brand new Intel Core i7-3770K processor (our review) into the board. Everything worked great with the default BIOS settings, but when we went to overclock the processor we noticed that the CPU Clock Ratio could go no higher than turbo clock ratio of 39. You have to raise the CPU ratio in order to get the most from these processors, so by having it locked at 39 is a deal breaker.

Intel Ivy Bridge Processor Overclocking Proves Challenging For Some Motherboard Makers - Gigabyte Hybrid EFI Technology Has Issues With Ivy Bridge CPUs - Legit Reviews

^^ I think a bios update will fix this.

amjath said:
^ ok cilus

BTW

Ivy Bridge's heat problems persist, even with the removal of its IHS :: TweakTown USA Edition

Still couldn't find a answer why should I go for IB instead of SB

I'm not cilus ;-)

and there's no compelling reason to go for IB - if you want a cpu now stick with SB.

topgear said:
I'm not cilus

and there's no compelling reason to go for IB - if you want a cpu now stick with SB.

oops sorry top gear. hmmm IB :banghead:

SB

i ll decide :wink:

^^If you're OC'ing SNB is way to go.

^^ not much just a little. will try till 4Ghz not more than that. Thats y i'm thinking so much

amjath said:
^^ not much just a little. will try till 4Ghz not more than that. Thats y i'm thinking so much

4 ghz is nothing for i5 2500k , its a child play thing . My friend just changed the multiplier to 40 without changing any other thing , and he got a stable 4 ghz ..(though it may not be same for you) .
But if you know basics about overclocking then pushing to 4 ghz will not be a problem..

thats what i'm :reading:

so i think it ll not be a issue with IB i mean overheating :-D

any particular reason to go with i5 3750k(15000) over the i5 2500k(12500)

amjath said:
thats what i'm so i think it ll not be a issue with IB i mean overheating

If you plan to overclock , why not go with i5 2500 k??? why waiting for ivy bridge??

well intel too thinks overclocking is a problem
so new revisions i q3 2012
Faster unlocked Ivy Bridge possible in Q3 2012

amjath said:
^^ not much just a little. will try till 4Ghz not more than that. Thats y i'm thinking so much

iittopper said:
4 ghz is nothing for i5 2500k , its a child play thing . My friend just changed the multiplier to 40 without changing any other thing , and he got a stable 4 ghz ..(though it may not be same for you) .
But if you know basics about overclocking then pushing to 4 ghz will not be a problem..

actually I think with a decent cooler like Cm Hyper 212 Evo it's possible to run core i5 2500k at 4.5Ghz even with some cheap but good mobo like Biostar TZ68K+ - so amjath decide for yourself - 4.5Ghz Sb oc vs. 4Ghz IB oc - which one is better ;-)

thats cool topgear. Now got to wait for the prices, its been a week no stocks yet

may be a week more i have to wait for Indian prices

BTW thx for clearing

topgear said:
actually I think with a decent cooler like Cm Hyper 212 Evo it's possible to run core i5 2500k at 4.5Ghz even with some cheap but good mobo like Biostar TZ68K+ - so amjath decide for yourself - 4.5Ghz Sb oc vs. 4Ghz IB oc - which one is better

You have an awsome point . :-o

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Yeah IB has made it pretty clear that its not really meant for Mainstream OCers.

Take advantage for i5 2500k Price drop (Hopeful) after i5 3xxxK Launch and OC it. 4.5 GHz is almost guaranteed on every chip.

intel ivy cpu available for preorder in india
[dp] Exclusive ! -Intel IVY Bridge Processors & Supporting Motherboards available now on Pre Order - systembuilder - TechEnclave

^^ thanks for the nice find but they are over priced - for eg. core i5 3570k is Rs. 14.5k - that much money is enough to grab a core i5 2500k+CM Hyper 212 Evo combo and for the price of 3770K one can easily grab a core i7 2600k+CM Hyper 212 Evo combo. If Intel wants to make a market for IB they better release some non K series cpus under or around 10k and fix the heating issue of K series IB cpus.

BTW, the only interesting deal I saw there is Intel DZ77SL-50K @ 8.5k ;-)

*www.intel.nl/content/www/us/en/desktops/desktop-board-dz77sl-50k-media-brief.html - it's 6+2 Phase Power modules is decent for Ocing but Asrock has some better Z77 mobos priced @ 9.2-10.2k.

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IV hotter than SB when overclocked
Intel's Ivy Bridge Hotter Than Sandy Bridge When Overclocked

yabbadaaba said:
IV hotter than SB when overclocked
Intel's Ivy Bridge Hotter Than Sandy Bridge When Overclocked

Quite old news

Where is the Ivybridge available in india.

Sainatarajan said:
Where is the Ivybridge available in india.

u can get here Go Gaming! | GolchhaIT.com

hi top gear according to intell source the die bridge of ivy chip has thermal paste on it
to interface with the heat spreader plate covering the chip ,it is not soldered like the sandy chip to the heat spreader plate.So after a few years after the thermal paste wears off will the temperature become worse?ie the longelivity of the ivy chips?*media.bestofmicro.com/ivy-bridge,6-L-335901-3.jpg

Anywhere else?

look in the previous page you will find the link
or here
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/pc-components-configurations/96218-hardware-price-list-spec-sheet-182.html

dfcols71 said:
hi top gear according to intell source the die bridge of ivy chip has thermal paste on it
to interface with the heat spreader plate covering the chip ,it is not soldered like the sandy chip to the heat spreader plate.So after a few years after the thermal paste wears off will the temperature become worse?ie the longelivity of the ivy chips?*media.bestofmicro.com/ivy-bridge,6-L-335901-3.jpg

Intel dual core E4000 series cpus have used the same thermal paste like thing but they are still in use and many people hacve Oced them -though they were not be able to OCed like E6000 series cpus which has HS soldered with the chip.

The thumb rule is if one can manage to keep the cpu cool then there should not be any prob other than limited Oc capabilities and even with the Thermal paste like thing the cpus will last for 8-10 years at stock speed with good cooling and most of the people will upgrade their cpu before 10 years for sure ;-)

hey can anyone suggest a good ivy bridge cpu within 16k?? and even a mobo within 10k?
i've shortlisted the 3770k (i7). is it worth it??

or should i take the ivy i5 series instead of i7? iam not into any editing or professional stuff. just gaming.

^^For OC'ing SNB's are better than IVB's. Get i5-2500k + ASRock Z77 Extreme 4.

RiGOD said:
^^For OC'ing SNB's are better than IVB's. Get i5-2500k + ASRock Z77 Extreme 4.

This with hyper 212 evo

he adds a little extra money he can opt for something better like Cooler Master TPC 812 ;-)

There is a solution for reducing IVY Bridge heating, have a look. :-D

Intel caught out using cheap thermal paste in Ivy Bridge? -- Engadget

Now, Japanese site PC Watch has taken the next logical step, by replacing the stock thermal paste in a Core i7-3770K with a pricier aftermarket alternative to see what would happen. Just like that, stock clock temperatures dropped by 18 percent, while overclocked temperatures (4GHz at 1.2V) fell by 23 percent. Better thermals allowed the chip to sustain higher core voltages and core clock speeds and thereby deliver greater performance.

but this is not practically possible ,you separate the heat sink plate of the cpu,
god alone knows whether the damn thing will work,besides voiding the warranty of the cpu or fixing back the plate

^^ in simple word that method is not practical at-all - Intel should release a revised version of IB cpus.

BTW, check this out :

Core i7-3720QM: Ivy Bridge Makes Its Mark On Mobility : Understanding Ivy Bridge's Real Target

Can we expect the price of i5 3570k to be equal to i5 2500k in july

why not get a core i5 2500k right now which is a much better option.

Check this:
Asus launches two Ivy Bridge laptops in India - Laptops | Laptop | Notebooks Reviews | ThinkDigit News

Check this out
Processors Price List India: Computer Components: Flipkart.com

^^Now lets wait and see how many are going to shell out 12k for a locked CPU (No matter whatever the name of the bridge is)

Almost 14k for a locked i5 is ridiculous. That is not even the flagship model. I think intel will be having a hard time selling these cpus

here's something interesting :

Intel launches Vpro Ivy Bridge chips and Panther Point chipsets - The Inquirer

Core i5-3570K, -3550, -3550S, And -3570T: Ivy Bridge Efficiency

^^ TFS -)

one interesting thing is with stock intel cooler there's only 3c temp difference between i7 2700k and i7 3770k but i5 3570k ran even cooler ( due to low power consumption ? ) than the i7 2700k but with after market cooler when OCed most of the review says something different which makes 3570k an excellent cpu ( may be even for OCing ) ;-)

R

Intel Core i5-3570K Processor 3.40 GHz
(6M Cache, up to 3.80 GHz)

You can try-

Buy Intel Core i5-3570K Processor 3.40 GHz in Mumbai India

Sainatarajan said:
Where is the Ivybridge available in india.

check this out :

Foxconn launches affordable Z75 motherboards in India

Can anyone confirm whether H77 boards support OCing or not!
Intel mentions that they do support OCing for 3rd Gen. Proccys. But most reviewing sites say the opposite.

Yup, what i was wondering is some what correct. H77 supports OCing an IVB processor not SNB. A SNB on H77 will operate at its highest turbo frequency, nothing beyond that.
Check this:
www.forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1914307

No cpu OC support on H77 chipset regardless of SB or IB cpus

*images.anandtech.com/reviews/cpu/intel/IvyBridge/review/7seriescomparison.jpg

look for z75 mobos if you want the cheapest mobo for Ocing Sb or IB K series cpus.

Here comes the Ivy Bridge based Windows 8 Tablet: Acer Iconica W700

Here is the review: AnandTech - Acer's Iconia W700 Ivy Bridge Windows 8 Tablet: The Start of Something Big