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Investors want Microsoft’s new CEO to kill Xbox, Bing and Surface

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Desmond
Desmond Original post #1
Feb 11, 2014 at 3:48 AM
Bing and Surface I can understand but why Xbox? Xbox still has a lot of users and probably is the most popular M$ product.

It's the morning after Satya Nadella's first day as Microsoft's CEO. Now that the confetti has cleared, Nadella faces tough choices about the path forward for the company.

Two influential Microsoft shareholders have been pushing the Redmond software giant to abandon what they view as non-essential product lines so that Microsoft can focus on its core strength: selling enterprise software to businesses. Nadella has spent the last seven months running Microsoft's $20 billion server and tools division, so he could be ideally suited to manage that transition.

But doing so would mean repudiating much of the legacy of his predecessors, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer, who have long believed that Microsoft needs to win over consumers, not just corporate IT managers. As a 22-year Microsoft insider, Nadella owes much of his career to Gates and Ballmer.

Nadella's tenure at Microsoft's helm will be largely defined by how he balances the competing visions of Microsoft's future and the strong personalities who will be pushing those visions in Microsoft's boardroom. Having activist shareholders who are urging Microsoft to rethink its vision could give Nadella an opening to face down his predecessors, if he wants to do so. But it wouldn't be easy.
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Ballmer envisioned Microsoft as a "device and services" company and reorganized the company last year to better execute that vision. But now Ballmer is out — though still on the board — and with a new CEO come fresh questions about the fate of consumer tech at Microsoft.

Microsoft's Windows division has been facing shrinking profits; last year, the unit pulled in a net $9.5 billion, down from $11.6 billion in 2012 and $12.3 billion in 2011. Company filings suggest that the drop is largely attributable to declining demand for Windows among consumers, even as sales of Windows to businesses remain strong. The same division also reported a $900 million loss on unsold Surface tablets. The online services division, which oversees search engine Bing, reported a loss of $1.3 billion in 2013 — less than the previous year but still in the red.

Some investors have suggested that Microsoft spin off its money-losing consumer products and focus solely on the enterprise. Even the Xbox deserves to go, Paul Ghaffari, the wealth manager for Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen, said last year.

But Robert Bontempo, a management professor at Columbia Business School, is skeptical that Nadella will be able to chart his own course on the matter. "You're asking for Nadella to walk into a board meeting and look Ballmer and Gates in the eye and say, 'The decisions you've made over the past two decades are a mistake,'" said Bontempo. "That's going to take some serious strength of character."

Source : Investors want Microsoft’s new CEO to kill Xbox, Bing and Surface
bubusam13
Feb 11, 2014 at 10:04 AM
Kill Bing and Surface but not XBOX.
$hadow
$hadow #3
Feb 11, 2014 at 11:09 AM
Xbox One raised Microsoft revenues and resulted in a good change for Microsoft so why are they suggesting to kill it.
R
Feb 11, 2014 at 11:37 AM
Kill Surface and Windows Phone. Don't kill Xbox and Bing. Currently, We've no alternative to Google search except Bing. So, we want Bing as an alternative atleast. I've NO appreciation for Bing though.
snap
snap #5
Feb 11, 2014 at 11:39 AM
don't kill xbox, consumers need choices
a_k_s_h_a_y
Feb 11, 2014 at 2:09 PM
don't kill xbox, consumers need choices

pc, android, ios, ps4
cricket, tennis, football, the game ;).. choice enough ?

loss making crap, makes no sense as a business, spin it off..
Desmond
Desmond #7
Feb 11, 2014 at 4:55 PM
The decision actually makes sense since most of Microsoft's profits comes from enterprise applications, services and products. Even more than Xbox, Bing, Windows Phone or Windows itself.

Kill Surface and Windows Phone. Don't kill Xbox and Bing. Currently, We've no alternative to Google search except Bing. So, we want Bing as an alternative atleast. I've NO appreciation for Bing though.

DuckDuckGo is a better alternative to Google.
R
Feb 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM
But, it's results are sourced from Google right? What it is doing is, just hiding our identity from Google, right isn't? So, i guess, it is not really an independent search engine. And, we can't tag it as an alternative to Google search.

DuckDuckGo is a better alternative to Google.
Desmond
Desmond #9
Feb 11, 2014 at 5:02 PM
But, it's results are sourced from Google right? What it is doing is, just hiding our identity from Google, right isn't? So, i guess, it is not really an independent search engine. And, we can't tag it as an alternative to Google search.

No. DuckDuckGo relies on Wikipedia and Yandex.
Anorion
Anorion #11
Feb 11, 2014 at 5:27 PM
eh I use bing. it's two letters shorter than google.
Gollum
Gollum #12
Feb 11, 2014 at 6:44 PM
eh I use bing. it's two letters shorter than google.

I see we have a lazy in the crowd

on topic, kill bing. surface is a good tablet and xbox does not make that much of a loss, just xbone does. 360 is still okay.

PS: I'm a Playstation fan.
tkin
tkin #13
Feb 11, 2014 at 9:34 PM
Xbox will never die, even if it runs at a complete loss, just like windows phone, its all about market presence.
Desmond
Desmond #14
Feb 11, 2014 at 9:36 PM
Xbox will never die, even if it runs at a complete loss, just like windows phone, its all about market presence.

It won't die, but it can be sold. Just like Google sold Motorola Mobility to Lenovo.
tkin
tkin #15
Feb 11, 2014 at 9:40 PM
It won't die, but it can be sold. Just like Google sold Motorola Mobility to Lenovo.
Then Microsoft will lose market presence anyway, Thinkpad is no longer IBM, its Lenovo.
Desmond
Desmond #16
Feb 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM
I don't think it would cause much damage to MS. They already have a highly profitable enterprise market.
SaiyanGoku
Feb 11, 2014 at 10:06 PM
Kill bing and surface, and sell xbox to sony nintendo :p.
Desmond
Desmond #18
Feb 11, 2014 at 10:11 PM
Anyone but Sony. If Sony gets a monopoly in this market, they will take a massive dump on the consumers.
flyingcow
flyingcow #19
Feb 11, 2014 at 10:21 PM
sell xbox to nintendo...
Desmond
Desmond #20
Feb 12, 2014 at 2:23 AM
Looking at their revenues, I don't think Nintendo can afford Xbox.
Gollum
Gollum #21
Feb 12, 2014 at 11:19 AM
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K
Feb 12, 2014 at 12:22 PM
It's gonna never happen!
Microsoft is largest seller of console in US
1.Xbox One
2.Xbox 360
3.PS4

Microsoft would never kill and on top of that integration of smart glass in Lumia will have a huge bonus in controllers!

As of Bing!Its only popular in Euro and US.

As far as Surface is considered.There are mixed reviews about its failure and profit
tkin
tkin #24
Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM
Kill bing and surface, and sell xbox to sony nintendo :p.
They'll kill it with bunch of dance and puzzle games :p
harshilsharma63
Feb 12, 2014 at 5:47 PM
Xbox is one of the few areas of the company that has been steadily making profit. Killing it will be a failure. Mr. Gates, please return and save Microsoft :pray:
Desmond
Desmond #26
Feb 12, 2014 at 5:52 PM
Bill Gates is actually back at MS. He is on the board of directors and works as Technical Advisor. However, Ballmer too is still on the board of directors, only he is no longer CEO.
reddick
reddick #27
Feb 12, 2014 at 6:56 PM
I'm in favour of abandoning only Surface Tablets. Rest of the products were like double tone shades. For example Win 8 as compare to phones than PCs :rolleyes:
harshilsharma63
Feb 12, 2014 at 7:32 PM
Bill Gates is actually back at MS. He is on the board of directors and works as Technical Advisor. However, Ballmer too is still on the board of directors, only he is no longer CEO.

I meant as the CEO. He wants to focus on the Gates Foundation anyways.
Desmond
Desmond #29
Feb 12, 2014 at 8:20 PM
He left to focus on his philanthropy in the first place.
B
Feb 12, 2014 at 10:33 PM
If every successful company did what their investors want, there would be no more successful companies.
tkin
tkin #31
Feb 12, 2014 at 10:59 PM
If every successful company did what their investors want, there would be no more successful companies.
Yes, I think Dell learned its lessons the hard way and others should learn from them too. If stakeholders were always right we'd be having the perfect government right now.
gameranand
Feb 15, 2014 at 8:55 AM
Well its true that these divisions are bringing Loss to MS but they have to keep competing. If MS quits on Xbox, GOD there would be PS4 monotony which is bad.
seamon
seamon #35
Feb 15, 2014 at 9:20 PM
Good news for PC gamers ^.^
XBOX will RIP, PS 4 will rule. PS4 games' prices will skyrocket, then people will switch over to PC gaming. :D
S
sysarc #36
Feb 18, 2014 at 7:10 AM
Okay this is just not going to happen people; I think that is quite obvious. Xbox is one of the most lucrative products that Microsoft owns, and just because two "influential" investors say hack it, doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Desmond
Desmond #37
May 6, 2014 at 6:41 PM
Bill Gates says that he would absolutely support Satya Nadella if he sold off Xbox

*www.theverge.com/2014/5/6/5686380/bill-gates-comments-on-potential-microsoft-xbox-sale
R
rish1 #38
May 6, 2014 at 10:15 PM
Bill Gates says that he would absolutely support Satya Nadella if he sold off Xbox

*www.theverge.com/2014/5/6/5686380/bill-gates-comments-on-potential-microsoft-xbox-sale

ohh nice
they are really in such a bad place today... their whole xbox one strategy backfired on them.. first their whole debacle with last year E3 with policies and then including kinect with xbox and actually giving it lower specs than ps4 at a higher price is just pathetic.. last i heard the gap between ps4 and xbox one is just getting too much .. although its just the beginning but their whole startegy is built to doom .. ps4 still outsold xbox in usa in april even after launch of titanfall which was expected to pick up sales

option 1) exclude kinect bundle from xbox one and price it same as ps4 ..

this startegy will destroy all the development plans they had for kinect since kinect was supposed to be a part of the system and its future applications and advantage of ps4..

option 2 ) include kinect and price it same as PS4

it will cost microsoft too much.. might be able to recover some market share but what if sony also comes up with 50 $ price cut ? its practically game over for them.. gamers will prefer ps4 because of better hardware and it can do 1080p even not at all times compared to xbox one.. they can't get past the hardware deficiency without creating the new xbox

believe it or not Xbox 360 with kinect sensor has received a price cut in india and after price cut you would expect it would be cheaper .. well yeah it is cheaper by 8000 rs not to ps3 but to PS4.. 32000 rs for a 7 year old console after price cut is just laughable.. + a mandatory Gold live subscription will make total 35000 rs ..

but it would be sad to see xbox go altogether as it would give sony the monopoly which is never a good thing for consumers.. i would say lower the price of xbox 360 with kinect to 400 $ or if it needs to be sold then amazon would be a great buyer , if nvidia can get it then it will be really cool
N
May 7, 2014 at 11:46 AM
These are 3 products I would never use anyways, although XBOX maybe used someday. Bing is also a good search engine, and currently the only good competitor to Google. Surface has not picked any momentum in India, atleast.
SaiyanGoku
May 7, 2014 at 4:24 PM
Surface could have been good if it wasn't for the restrictions of windows 8 rt.
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.DMG #41
May 7, 2014 at 7:36 PM
Xbox? Seriously? Are they passing around weed in their AGM or something. Unless its someones sinister plan to drop M$ shares in one shot to buy a lot of them cheap.
G
May 7, 2014 at 8:24 PM
They killed XP and now this .
Desmond
Desmond #43
May 7, 2014 at 9:27 PM
XP's time was up anyway.
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Prashmith #44
May 14, 2014 at 12:02 PM
Xbox dead.....i don't know where is a alternative (ignore Sony and Nintendo)
Bing huh only alternative to. Google but who uses it?
Surface definitely needs to be dead it was a huge loss and at last the windows phone or microsoft windows also need not be trashed!
srkmish
srkmish #45
May 28, 2014 at 2:58 PM
Update : Microsoft to continue with xbox

*www.fudzilla.com/home/item/34850-microsoft-will-not-spin-off-xbox
Desmond
Desmond #46
May 28, 2014 at 3:13 PM
Makes sense. Why would they want to kill of one of their more profitable divisions?
R
rish1 #47
May 28, 2014 at 3:24 PM
Makes sense. Why would they want to kill of one of their more profitable divisions?

xbox isn't profitable..

*www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years

this is till 2012 .. even if you consider 2013,2014 i don't think it would have even break evened it till now

but the Xbox brand value is massive
Desmond
Desmond #48
May 28, 2014 at 3:25 PM
But they need to be able to capitalize over the brand. The Xbox One fiasco shows that they suck at it.
Flash
Flash #49
May 29, 2014 at 4:10 PM
[h=1]Satya Nadella: Bing and Xbox are not for sale[/h]