Is 3000+ hotter than 4200+ ?

One of my friend bought an AMD 3000+ venice along with ASUS A8N VM board and Simtronics mem 2x256 @ 2-3-2-6(wow!).
First without OCing his normal temp was 34~36 when idle and max upto 40~41 when at load. I persuaded him to overclock nd he achieved 2.3 from 1.8 nd he was shocked with the temp like 54~56!!!. So I set it back at 1.8 but the problem is that now his idle/load temp has raised much to 38~40/48~52!!!!.
Now even wothout ocing the temp is high nd he is blaming me for this. What should I do??

Now my new X2 4200+ has idle temp of 36~37 nd 46~47 at full load. Even after ocing from 2.2 to 2.6 its safe at 51max at full load(both core at full load by CPU tester pro). My temp will be normal if I set the stock speed.
PLZ help me to solve his problem.

ALSO WHAT IS THE USUAL TEMP OF AMD 64 AT IDLE ND LOAD BEFORE AND AFTER NORMAL OCING???AND WHAT IS THE HIGHEST SAFE TEMP???

[both of us has adequate case cooling with 5x80 mm fans.

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restore back all settings including voltages

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Tried everything by reseting the bios nd tried seting default values.

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is the computer setup the same.....or has he changes he desk or the position of his table/desk?.

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@ aravind_n20
my cpu temp varies 46-50.5 c in this cold weather.vcore 1.47V
i want to oc my mobo.can u tell me what precautions i must take.i also want to 512 mem stick 4 this.

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The CPU voltage rating is far higher than its normal. AMD 3000+ should be 1.35~1.4v max.
*www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.aspx?opn=ADA3000DAA4BP
Yours 1.47 is higher. Usually the CPU v is increased manually when CPU is ocing, nd to supply adequate power to CPU. Yours voltage is adequate for ocing. Follow these steps:
First u should install atleast 3x80mm chassis fan extra(additional to PSU nd CPU).
Enter the bios nd set the CPU multiplier to 9(max for A8N VM) and slowly increase your CPU bus speed from 200 to max of 270. But I would recoment to set to some 250 or 260. But do it by small steps, say 5Mhz per step. Restart every time and boot into windows nd chech whether its stable nd also note the CPU temp at max load nd it shouldn't exceed 55. U can set even higher than 270 if u have good CPU heatsink/fan combo.
Check the v nd clocks using cpuz:
*www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-136.zip

*img242.imageshack.us/img242/4632/x22ag5.png
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Is there any way of lowering the CPU voltage on A8N VM????

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I have an AMD64 3000+ venice on A8N-E overclocked to 2.7GHz on stock cooling with idle temp of around 38C and load of 52C.
And few days ago I backed it down to its default and the temp. came down by around 5-7C for both idle and load. Now its again back to 2.7GHz.

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thanks aravind_n20
i increased fsb by 5. the vcore also increases (1.456-1.480V) to (1.448-1.488V)
as frm cpuz.the vcore & core speed always varies. is it normal?
i have 256 mb(200 mhz) dynet ram(3-4-4-8 latencies),can it handle ocing?
i decreased its speed to 166 mhz for safety.
do i need to change the bios further? tell me do i need to reduce the vcore,then how?

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Well .. 55c is quite ok .. temps depend a lot on the ambience too .. maybe the fans got some dust on it ..

Also .. , if the temps were around 55c with the OC , then its absolutely ok ...

Also , make sure he disabled "Automatic Temp. Control" ...

And about the vcore , mine varies from 1.45-1.51 ... a little higher can keep things more stable ... upto 1.55 is quite ok ..

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yaa higher vcore can make it stable but cam bring up the temp.
@coolsunny
dynet rams are totally crappy. Ive 2x512 transcent and 2x256 dynet.
I would say simtronics is a very goo mem as two of my friends are running it at 2.5-3-2-6 @400MHZ in dual channel.
But my dynet can't even do 2.5-3-3-7 @400. If I unplug the dynet and use only transcent I can reach 2.7~2.8 easily but if i plug in dynet for more mem, the cpu can only do 2.4!!!!why I dun know, but even if I leave mem settings to default I can't make it higher than 2.4.
But u can try even more higher freqs. and as deathvirus_me said upto 1.5v can be considered safe and reach max clock at bout 1.5v nd see if its stable.

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aarvind.......first i guess if u really worried abt temperature........get as5(artic silver 5) apply on your processer.........and job is done.....

and also addsome fansin your cabinet......

bt i dont thing that temperature are to worried abt...i have used 3000+ at 61'C....without oc............the only thing to worry is when temp crosses 80-85-9o mark....but nowadays bios has th option to shutdown pc as soon as it is reached...so need not worry..........jus get as5 and a decent cabinet...also if possible get everest home edition and check the temp again......

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Thats what .. 55c with that much ov is quite an ok temp. .. My CPU idles' at 38-42c , and at load goes upto 48-50c ... so ur temps are quite ok .. specially at a higher voltage ...

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was that 1.47V for northwood core?

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I too have got a 3000+ with A8N VM and 256x2 400MHz ZION RAM and stock cooling,with no fans installed other than the CPU fan.How can I overclock it?Do I have to use the BIOS or any other software utility?

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read the oc guide. anyway, i don't think that mobo is made for oc and nor is any other onboard video mobo made for oc, you probably won't go high unless you change it.

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do i need to change the bios further? there is no options for locking pci/pci-e bus

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I just bought the rig a month ago!

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you bought the wrong rig. I keep telling people not to buy that motherboard yet they buy. sorry, but not my fault.

make sure that the pcie etc is locked, check google whether it supports the locks or not, a8n e does.

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@GeekyBoy
with that board u can oc a max upto 400~450mhz. But first what u want to do is to install as much as 80mm fans in ur cab. Better use one or two intake and some 2-3 outlets.
Enter the bios nd disable cool n quite nd under "jumperfree configuration" keeping the CPU multiplier at 9x(max for VM) slowly raise the cpu bus and follow the steps mentioned above.

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Now Im at 2.75 Ghz nd at idle the temp is 41~42 nd at full load it has reached 58~59 nd on running cpu tester pro for 10-15 min it almost reached 61.
Im using very elaborate air cooling but the temp seems beyond control.
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@ aravind_n20
how u r taking snaps of cpuz & uploading it.tell me.

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aravind_n20 said:
@GeekyBoy
with that board u can oc a max upto 400~450mhz. But first what u want to do is to install as much as 80mm fans in ur cab. Better use one or two intake and some 2-3 outlets.
Enter the bios nd disable cool n quite nd under "jumperfree configuration" keeping the CPU multiplier at 9x(max for VM) slowly raise the cpu bus and follow the steps mentioned above.

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Now Im at 2.75 Ghz nd at idle the temp is 41~42 nd at full load it has reached 58~59 nd on running cpu tester pro for 10-15 min it almost reached 61.
Im using very elaborate air cooling but the temp seems beyond control.

Since geeky boy has Zion memory......his system will crash!.....coz Zion cannot take oc more than 10MHz (atleast recommended!)....

When u increase the FSB the memory clock will also increase.....so if u take the FSB to 210MHz then the memeory clock will be @ 210MHz i.e 420MHz (DDR).....

SO first force the ram to 333MHz or 266MHz (according to the increase in the FSB)........
Then as u increase the FSB start the PC and run Prime 95 for 5mins each time..............and after 350+ - 500MHz+ run Prime 95 for 6hrs........also after u finalize the OC...

Also keep checking the memory speed through CPU-Z...at each stage...and make sure it does not go above 205MHz i.e 410MHZ (DDR)...

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@aravind how have u fixed that 80mm fan below the gfx card?

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coz Zion cannot take oc more than 10MHz

Hmm .. at stock latencies (3,4,4,12!!!!!!!!) , my zion modules can go upto 240 MHz stable for 6 hrs. Prime ... But with forced latencies of 2.5,3,2,6 , it hardly manages anything over 215 MHz ...

how u r taking snaps of cpuz & uploading it.tell me.

Run CPUz ... Press Alt+PrtScr ...

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@gaurav_indian
Ive not fixed them. but it just stands on four lengthy screws as seen in the pic.
In case of gamin I place it below Gcard nd for other work like HDD intense like defrags i move it to HDD side or the chipset side. Its a good way of cooling as there is a rich supply of air from front intake(cannot be seen on pic) nd the fan on screws throws the air to gcard nd which escapes through the 3 PCI vent holes on back of cab.
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@deathvirus_me
can u give your 3D mark scores nd some other benchs which u have/can run??I think 2x1GB makes a lot of difference.

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can u give your 3D mark scores nd some other benchs which u have/can run??I think 2x1GB makes a lot of difference.

About 135xx in 3DMark03 , 62xx in 3DMark05 , 33xx in 3DMark06 ... though i never benched with the oc'ed CPU ... i should get a bit higher scores i think .. check this link out : *www.techenclave.com/forums/rig/viewgallery-265.html

I do remember hitting 6400+ with the card running at 510/1200 ... but hey .. 62xx isn't bad at all .. i got the running up at 540/1350 ... but i didn't dare to bench , as i don't have a good enough PSU ...

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akshayt said:
you bought the wrong rig. I keep telling people not to buy that motherboard yet they buy. sorry, but not my fault.

What is wrong with the A8N-VM apart from lack of oc ability? Anyway I too have Athlon64 3000+ & Asus A8N-VM combo, 1 GB RAM, onboard audio & video and my idle temp is 49C. While playing FIFA WC 2006, temp shoots up to 56C. I have 2 x antec 80 mm fan plus an additional cheap 80 mm fan. Applied Antec Silver thermal compound but there is no change in temperature and i have given up.

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@ deathvirus_me

deathvirus_me said:
Run CPUz ... Press Alt+PrtScr ...

its not working?whts wrong?

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Make sure the window is higlighted ...

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are....
Just press Print Screen.........and then go to MS Paint and Edit---->Paste ...
Voila u have a screenshot! But of the full screen...

To take a shot of only CUP-z press Alt+Print Screen and go to paint and paste it there...

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@samrulez
its a bit confusion...for a newbie say like this:
first click the CPUz window nd make sure its the active window nd hit alt+prnt scrn, nd go to paint nd paste it nd move the resize slider to fit the image perfectly nd save it.

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its working. thanks to all

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Ive benched with 3D M 03 nd 06 @1024*768.
13571 points in 3D Mark 03
and
4204 points in 3D Mark 06.
[06 details
sm 2.0 score 1668
HDR/SM 3.0 score 1634
CPU score 1880]

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@deathvirus_me
can u say why Im geting such low scores???Im having 2.5ghz dual core ..then why??I think 6800GT will be lot better than a 7600GT. Ive even oced my GPU to 600/1520 from 560/1400. Is it due to limited 1gb mem??Can u suggest any wat to increase those scores??Adding an extra Creative Audigy value sound cards will make any difference???I think they(3D mark) benchmark the sound chips also nd adds to the total score..
Ive underclocked the HTT to 850mhz(1700 effective) as Ive oced the CPU,GPU, nd mem. Do I put back the HTT to 1000??will it affect the score much?
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Also Ive been terrified with some clocks shown in ASUS Ai Booster window. It sometimes shows some kinda terific clocks like 4GHZ and voltage shoots upto 1.49 from 1.43. But its normal in CPU Z. It happens only for a few seconds nd will become normal...Whats this happening to my PC????
see this:
*img404.imageshack.us/img404/6258/4ghz2gr5.jpg

here the product of CPU busn nd multiplier gives only around 2.7 but whats this happening??

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4204 points in 3D Mark 06.
[06 details
sm 2.0 score 1668
HDR/SM 3.0 score 1634
CPU score 1880]

Get back to stock settings of 1280*1024 ... anyway ... ur 3DMark06 score is slightly uncomparable , as it highly favours a dual core CPU (which does effect the final score) ... 3DMark03 / 3DMark05 would be good enough ... though ur 3DMark03 score should be slightly higher .. but hey .. nothing much to worry about ..

And ur 7600GT is better than a 6800GT .. infact , even my 6800GS is better than a 6800GT . i.e. a 6800GT at stock speeds .. the 7600GT / 6800GS OC can easily take on or do better than a 6800U ...

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ya ya Im now downloading 3D Mark 05. Its too big. And In which res do u benchmarked those?. Also What was the setings on the nvidia ctrl panel while benching?

What bout that 4 Ghz?? Im a lil afraid. Will I get warranty if CPU or mobo burns out?

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Well , i doubt that 4 GHz would be stable .. i can boot into my OS with 2.8 GHz , but its not stable ... anyway ..

bench using default settings .. set IQ to "Performance" and No. of frames to render ahead "3" .. for benching only .

And look at this :

*img166.imageshack.us/img166/2426/hotcputestswe9.jpg

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bUT i DOUBT ITS REALLY 4GHZ...In CPUZ it shows mormal

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Did u see that Hot CPU tester results ?? Except the first test batch , i get better scores than ur X2 4200+ oc'ed .. ru sure this utility is a good one for benching ???

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The test seems single threaded, thats why..
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While benching with cpu tester the cpu utilization is as low as 20~30. And cpu seems to be relaxed. Why so??

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U had better scores as then I was running the mem at 3-3-3-8 @400. Now the scores has changed. So I think Hot cpu tester is good even if its single threaded.
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