Looking for i7 based PC (without display)

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1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: Audio/Video editing, Designing in Corel, PS, GIMP, Running web server (apache), PHP Programming, I am not into gaming at all.

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: 50k

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: Probably not.

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Windows 7 and Linux dual boot

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: 500GB is fine for me

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: Already have 20" TFT

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: keyboard, mouse

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: Jan 13

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: Will buy it from Nehru Place

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Yes I think so I can buy online

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Yeah, I would prefer to buy i7 sandy bridge (may be better) with 16GB RAM. Not sure if this is too much for my requirements but I need system that can be upgraded later so I dont need to buy any new PC for 2-3 years.

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for your need s i feel a fx 8350 will be better (and cheaper) than an i7 3770k
fx 8350-12.5k
ASRock 990FX Extreme4 Motherboard-10.2k
corsair value ram -2x4gb-2k
corsair cx 430v2-2.2k
asus dvd drive -1k
cm elite 430-3k
zotac gtx 650ti-10.5k
wd caviar blue 500gb-3.5k
total-44.9k

Asrock 990FX Extreme 4 is not a good motherboard for the price. It offers only 4+2 VRM design, sometimes available at 5K Gigabyte boards. Get MSI 990FX-GD65 at 9K or Gigabyte GA-990FX-UD3 @ 9.5K. In fact OP can opt for Asus M5A97 @ 6.6K and get a more powerful GPU like Gigabyte/Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB around 14K. Also one of our forum members has purchased FX-8350 in Nehru Place @ 11.4K.

Even if you are not into gaming, I strongly recommend you to get Gigabyte HD 7850 1 GB @ 12.7K or at least MSI HD 7770 @ 7.8K. Applications like Corel, PhotoShop, GIMP do support GPU acceleration through OpenCL and AMD HD 7000 series cards do have better performance here over the Nvidia 600 series cards.

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Hi,

Thanks for the reply.

I would prefer i3 3rd generation (or i7). However the options you mention will be available in nehru place or I need to buy online as I dont know how to assemble.

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these prices are quoted from smc international which is in nehru place
and @ cilus i think that the op has any need of a hd 7850
heck even i did a mistake by recommending a gtx 650 ti
so @ravisagar you can reduce the amout you spend by simply going for a gt 610 @ 2.4k
edit- also an i3 (even 3rd gen) would pale iin comparison to the fx 8350
so unless you go for the top of the line i7 3770k ithink intel is not an option for you

I have edited my 1 st post here and check why I have suggested him a GCN based card.

Regarding choice of Processor, FX-8350 is the flagship processor from AMD, armed with 8 Cores. In Multi-threaded applications, it most of the times beat the higher end Core i5 3570K and i3 3220 is simply not a match for it. Buddy, i3 3220 is a dual core processor and good for gaming. But for Multi-threaded applications, even a 9K FX-8120 will beat the hell out of it.

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Just summing up. I didnt get which motherboard you recommended?

CPU: fx 8350-12.5k
MotherBoard:
RAM: corsair value-2x4gb-2k
PSU: corsair cx 430v2-2.2k
Cabinet: Cooler Master elite 430-3k
GPU: Gigabyte/Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB
HDD: wd caviar blue 500gb-3.5k

1. BTW this would be better than i3 3rd generation? Why didnt you recommend that. Sorry for stupid question

2. Would it make sense if I get 16GB RAM?

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you can go for 16gigs but afaik its still to expensive to be considered so 8gb should do for now and @cilus didnt see gcn angle thanks for the tip

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Ok so you recommended MSI 990FX-GD65 at 9K or Gigabyte GA-990FX-UD3 but which one you suggest for my needs? and if I go for 16gb I think the whole system will still be within 50k.

*****configurations finalized so far****
CPU: fx 8350-12.5k
MotherBoard:
RAM: corsair value-2x4gb-2k
PSU: corsair cx 430v2-2.2k
Cabinet: Cooler Master elite 430-3k
GPU: Gigabyte/Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB
************

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i would suggest you go the msi variant cause it has a better rma base in india and also gigabytes are known to fail as seen in this forum
so the ball is in your court . YOU DECIDE

I think you should go with Asus M5A97 @ 6.6K and save the rest of the money. Since the system is not for gaming or OP is not going for Multi-GPU setup in future, a good AMD 970 Chipset based will serve all the purposes. It also offers very high build quality and ASUS RMA service has been improved now a days.

For Ram, get a two 8GB (2 X 8 GB)Corsair Vengeance 1600 MHz stick @ 2.7K X 2 (Flipkart) with the money saved from the Motherboard purchase.

For Cabinet, my choice will be NZXT Source 210 Elite @ 2.6K. It offers 1 front USB 3.0 port, plenty of places, good build quality and very good cable management. Check theitwares.com for Online purchase.

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@cilus would oing for 4x4gb cosair value ram @ 4k save the op some money?
and i still feel that the msi mobo and the 990fx chipset in general is better

Intel i5-3450 11.5
Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H 5.5
G.Skill RipjawsX(1600MHz) DDR3 4GB*2 3.2
cm elite 430 3
Corsair GS600 4.5
Seagate 500GB 3.5
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5-OC* 16.1

Total 47.3

somebodysme said:
Intel i5-3450 11.5
Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H 5.5
G.Skill RipjawsX(1600MHz) DDR3 4GB*2 3.2
cm elite 430 3
Corsair GS600 4.5
Seagate 500GB 3.5
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5-OC* 16.1

Total 47.3

do you even read the requirements of the OP?? he says NO gaming... and the applications he is going to run are multi core oriented, so fx8350 are better suited than i5.

@somebodysme OP clearly mentioned that He needs the pc for extensive apps to run and not for other tasks like gaming.
The ASUS M5A97 would be the best .
+1 to Cilus .
You can spend the rest of the money to get a 16 gigs RAM.

I already suggested him 16 GB ram (8GB X 2).

The reason of suggesting him a premium 1600 MHz Ram over a value series 1333 MHz Ram is that the Memory Controller of Bulldozer and PileDriver CPUs has native support for 1866 MHz ram and can handle higher frequency efficiently. In fact Toms Hardware has performed a test with FX-8150 where they have observed that FX processors respond very well with the higher speed memory. Now RipjawX, Vengeance all these 1600 MHz modules can run at higher speed and hence will offer better performance.
I myself running my RipjawX 1600 MHz to 1866 MHz speed (Check my siggy) and there are good performance enhancement. I tested it using AIDA 64 Extreme 2.7 Benchmark.

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yup agrre with @cilus plz read the ops requirements and pay attention next time
yup read some reviews of the m597a and it is one of the better mobos for the 970 chipset

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anirbandd said:
do you even read the requirements of the OP?? he says NO gaming... and the applications he is going to run are multi core oriented, so fx8350 are better suited than i5.

i think he was in a hurry to answer the question and hence couldn't read the question.. l

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@Op just an advice if you are going to buy from nehru place then do take quotes from as many shops as you can and then compare and then buy.
My friend bought his rig from 5 different shops which saved him around 3 to 4k.

FYI
Intel Core i5-3570K Image Editing and Video Encoding | bit-tech.net
AMD FX-8350 Image Editing and Video Encoding Performance | bit-tech.net

I just gave him an intel alternative, just because I am not a fan of team RED
and I didn't suggested him K series coz OP doesn't want to overclock..

But you have suggested him i5 3470, not 3570K.

Now regarding the review you have posted, I was taken aback by the results, especially in Media Encoding using Handbrake. Also was hurt a little as someone called me a FanBoy for the 1st time. In this Bit-Tech review, FX-8350 was badly beaten by all i5 processors, even by i5 2400. So I tried the other sites like Tomshardware, Anandtech and Guru3d.

Here are the results:-

Tomshardware

Anandtech

somebodysme , I guess you understand now why we rely upon some trusted site, not any sites who can publish a review in Web site.

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Thanks a lot guys. So here is the configuration I could sum up so far based on your reviews. Almost there..

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CPU: fx 8350-12.5k
MotherBoard: MSI 990FX-GD65 / Asus M5A97 @ 6.6K /
RAM: corsair value- 8GB (2 X 8 GB)Corsair Vengeance 1600 MHz stick @ 2.7K X 2 (Flipkart)
PSU: corsair cx 430v2-2.2k
Cabinet: Cooler Master elite 430-3k
GPU: Gigabyte/Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB
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1. I can spend little more on MSI 990FX-GD65 if it is only the cost factor. If Asus M5A97 will serve my needs then I will ok with that too. Yes I wont be doing gaming but multi-tasking a lot and probably run virtual machine all the time.

2. Also which GPU out of Gigabyte/Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB you guys recommend?

I was checking the smcinternational.in site for these components. Guys I just want to be sure that I am not going to buy wrong model from nehru place.

AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket

MSI 990FXA-GD65 Motherboard

I could not find corsair cx 430v2, Cooler Master elite 430 on the site but I am sure I will get it in Nehru Place. Yes I will compare the prices before buying.

1.Asus M5A97 is fine. Suits your needs.

2. Get the Sapphire HD7850 2GB @ ~14k

Also, I don't think you'll be able to find CX430V2 at Nehru Place. Get it from flipkart @ 2.7k.
Also change the cabinet to NZXT Source 210 Elite (One of my favourites for budget builds)

And the RAM which you have to buy is Corsair Vengeance, not Corsair Value. Keep that in mind.

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Go with the sapphire variant
On the mobo side you just check the no of ram slots on the motherboard rest of the config is fine

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Unfortunately I don't know how to assemble a PC. I can attach other components like RAM, GPU but need help in getting mobo, cpu, psu assembled.

Cilus said:
But you have suggested him i5 3470, not 3570K.

Now regarding the review you have posted, I was taken aback by the results, especially in Media Encoding using Handbrake. Also was hurt a little as someone called me a FanBoy for the 1st time. In this Bit-Tech review, FX-8350 was badly beaten by all i5 processors, even by i5 2400. So I tried the other sites like Tomshardware, Anandtech and Guru3d.

Here are the results:-

Tomshardware
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Anandtech
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somebodysme , I guess you understand now why we rely upon some trusted site, not any sites who can publish a review in Web site.

Clius just go through full review form Tomshardware I am not saying its better than I5 in benchmarks but at what cost see power consumption and all.

. I went through it several times. Now it is your turn. Read it and try to understand it.

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When no gaming but lot of editing, why not giving ATI FirePro v4800 a try. Rs. 10k I guess !!!

Try this,

AMD FX8350 @ Rs. 12,000.00
Moterboard Gigabyte or MSI 990FX Series @ Rs. 9,000.00
G.Skill RipJaws 16 GB (8x2) 1600 MHz DDR-III @ Rs. 6,300.00
Sharphire ATI FirePro v4800 1GB GDDR5 @ Rs. 10,000.00
WD Green 1TB @ Rs. 4,200.00
DVD RW @ Rs. 800.00
Cooler Master 212 @ Rs. 2,000.00
Corsair cx430 @ Rs. 2,500.00
Keyboard Mouse @ Rs. 500.00
Local UPS @ Rs. 1,600.00

Should come at around 50k (a couple of more if purchased online

)

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thanks but I am ready extend the budget little bit. I dont need DVD, UPS, keyboard, mouse. I also liked the NZXT Source 210 Elite cabinet, probably go for that..

right now my concern is how will I assemble it. I would try in Nehru Place first, hoping that some vendor will have most of these components - atleast cabinet, motherboard, cpu and psu...otherwise I will have to learn how to assemble - I assembled pc back in 1999

Buddy, after purchasing all the components, you can take it to any local computer shops, not necessarily in Nehru Place. I think they'll charge 300/400 bucks for the assembling.

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ravisagar said:
thanks but I am ready extend the budget little bit. I dont need DVD, UPS, keyboard, mouse. I also liked the NZXT Source 210 Elite cabinet, probably go for that..

right now my concern is how will I assemble it. I would try in Nehru Place first, hoping that some vendor will have most of these components - atleast cabinet, motherboard, cpu and psu...otherwise I will have to learn how to assemble - I assembled pc back in 1999

I think in that case you can accommodate the Core i7 3770. Have a look at this.

Intel Core i7 3770 @ Rs. 17,500.00
Intel DH77EB @ Rs. 6,500.00
G.Skill RipJaws 1600 MHz 16 (8x2) GB DDR3 @ Rs. 6,400.00
WD Green 1TB @ Rs. 4,200.00
ATI FirePro v4800 @ Rs. 10,000.00
Cabinet @ Rs. 2,000.00
Corsair cx430 @ Rs. 2,600.00

should be around your 50k (+- couple of thousand) budget

One more suggestion, its winter so no problem but Delhi will go really hot in summer also, so try to buy a cooler for the CPU also, since Intel default HSF aint that good

. No needed if your computer room is having A/C

or in a relatively cooler place

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aa buddy @ naxal it was specifically aforementioned by cilus and others that the fx 8350 is specifically designed to meet the the ops needs and also its cheaper so its the obvious choice

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^^^

Indeed the AMD Fx8350 is cheaper, no point denying that. But sorry, I think in performance terms, at every segment Core i7 3770 will out perform the FX8350 in desktop segment.

FX8350 would have been a better choice over Core i5 but I dont think, if one can accommodate the Core i7 3770, should opt for AMD FX.

Anyway, since OP started the thread with desire for a i7, hence I wrote as I found the budget can accommodate the i7

@op IMO you should go for the FX based system with 16GB RAM &

Naxal said:
When no gaming but lot of editing, why not giving ATI FirePro v4800 a try. Rs. 10k I guess !!!

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Thanks for the suggestion....I think I already made my mind with the following parts.

AMD fx 8350 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo)
MSI 990FX-GD65
2 X 8GB Corsair Vengeance 1600 MHz
corsair cx 430v2
NZXT Source 210 Elite
Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB

I think it should be around 45k or something. I will be going to Nehru Place this Friday to get the prices and possibly buy it soon. I hope I get all the parts there.

If possible, try to squeeze a 500 Watt PSU like Corsair CX 500 V2.

Yes it would be better to buy CX500 V2 for future upgrades

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Yes you can do that it ll just cost you 0.8k more

@OP : i suggest you go for seasonic Sii 520 watts or corsair GS 600 or Corsair TX 650
Seasonic Sii 520 is better than Corsair CX or VS 500 though it is a little expensive

^People suggested CX500 as it will help OP save more for GPU
Otherwise Seasonic SII 520 rocks

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Hey Guys,

I went to Nehru Place yesterday. Here is the quotation I got.

CPU fx 8350: Rs. 11190
MotherBoard MSI 990FX-GD65: ??
RAM 8GB Corsair Vengeance 1600 MHz stick: Rs. 2700 from Flipkart
PSU corsair cx 500 V2 / Seasonic SII 520: Rs. 3100 (corsair)
Cabinet Cooler Master elite 430 / NZXT Source 210 Elite: Rs. 3000 (cm)
GPU Sapphire HD 7850 2 GB: Rs. 13290
HDD wd caviar blue 500gbRs. 3100

I couldn't found Seasonic SII 520 and NZXT Source 210 Elite. Where can I order them online?

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You can try theitdepot for the parts
Did you find the msi 990fx gd65 motherboard?

Also try some online shops like PrimeABGB, TheITWares, TheITDepot, GolchhaIT etc, you might get better prices there also.

The price of FX-8350 is really amazing.
You can Order the Motherboard from here: MSI 990FXA-GD65 Motherboard
PSU from here: SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

Although the Cabinet, 210 Elite is available with Theitwares, the shipping charge is 600 bucks, resulting a total cost of 3.2K for it. So I suggest you try to find any other alternative from your locality. Also check for the PSU Corsair GS600 in Nehru Place. If it is coming around the same price of the Seasonic SII12 520, get the Corsair one.

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ravisagar said:
CPU fx 8350: Rs. 11190

Name the shop please

^^ @ OT
Did you got your RIG ??

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@Cilus:

All these prices are from Cost to Cost
Motherboard: Yeah good idea. If I cant find it in Nehru Place then I will order from this site

No i havent got the rig yet. Just getting the prices from few vendors in Wazirpur Ashok Vihar Computer Market.

BTW all these sites will charge for shipping?

I am thinking that I will probably go for SSD...I think 60GB should be enough for OS...Suggest any SSD, does it really make any difference. Since I am not into gaming wil SSD give me some major performance improvement?

dont go the 60gb ssd maan.. atleast a 120gb is adviced even for only OS.. in 60gb, you'll have only so much space for the OS. after installing updates, you wont have mch space left for other apps

The charge is minimal. In most cases it is not more than 100 bucks. If you purchase from Theitwares (The link for the PSU), they'll offer you free shipping.

Regarding SSD, 60GB is too small for WIndows 7 and some applications. Save the money and get a 120GB SSD in future. Now you can get one around 6.5K.

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ravisagar said:
@Cilus:

All these prices are from Cost to Cost
Motherboard: Yeah good idea. If I cant find it in Nehru Place then I will order from this site

go to smc nehru place

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Do SMC Nehru Place also have a shop where they sell parts?

There address on the site is

# 208
Vishal Bhawan-95
Nehru Place

but at some places the address is

B-10 and B-11 Meghdoot Bldg, 94 Nehru Place.

Are they same?

AFAIK, SMC does have a physical shop in Nehru Place. Let other people confirm the address.

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Cilus said:
AFAIK, SMC does have a physical shop in Nehru Place. Let other people confirm the address.

yeah ,they have a shop, it's in the same row left to right ...smc is first, c.e is second and ctc(new) is third, don't be confused by the building name they're all attached by corridor or row whatever that is I don't even what we call that rasta in hindi.

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ravisagar said:
Do SMC Nehru Place also have a shop where they sell parts?

There address on the site is

# 208
Vishal Bhawan-95
Nehru Place

but at some places the address is

B-10 and B-11 Meghdoot Bldg, 94 Nehru Place.

Are they same?

the shop on second floor has closed so its in the ground floor on the back side of the same building...
You can always call and ask them there lication.