DIGIT-ARC read-only archive · snapshot: July 23, 2026

Mac OS X is not user friendly

91 posts · originally from https://geek.digit.in/community/threads/mac-os-x-is-not-user-friendly.108236/

gxsaurav
gxsaurav Original post #1
Feb 8, 2009 at 12:31 AM
Didn't know where else to put it. Found through Digg

Things OS X Cannot Do


Right Click to Create Text Files: You have to open TextEdit, create a file, navigate to the right folder, and save as...just to create a stupid file. There is a plugin, but it doesn't work that well. Note: textClipping is NOT a solution. See my comment below.


Set a picture as background: You certainly cannot select a picture in finder to set it as background. No app in OS X lets you do that. You have to use go through a long series of clicks in desktop background settings and manually find your file. The only other way is to open your image file in firefox and set as background. Maybe iPhoto can do it, but it's useless for pictures that are not photos. Horrible design.


Choose entire folders to be wallpapers: You can add a folder, but SUBFOLDERS ARE NOT INCLUDED. What good does that do??? Again, iPhoto is useless for anything but photos, so unless all your wallpapers are photos, don't expect iPhoto to be a solution.


Merging folders: When you copy a folder, if the new location contains a folder of the same name, there is no way to merge the folders. Instead, Finder overwrites the original folder with the new one. All files in the original folder are lost. The only way to get around this is to use the unix mv command....very user unfriendly design.


Basic Things You Need Plugins For:

* Uninstall: Just dragging the application to trash doesn't delete the preference files associated with it.


 * Preventing your computer from going to sleep when you close the lid.


 * Resize your window from other than the bottom right corner.


 * Open Terminal in any folder from finder.


 * There is No Stereo Mix. Even with Soundflower, it's impossible to both redirect sound
and play them.


* Cannot turn off mouse acceleration. You need to buy software like USB Overdrive.


Trash is Broken

Cannot selectively delete trash: There is no way to delete one or several items in trash at a time. (useful when you want to double check the items one at a time before you actually delete them). You can only empty all the trash at once.


Cannot restore trash: If you accidentally moved something to trash by accident, there is no option to restore the file to its original location. You have to remember where it was. Why do you even need trash if you can't even restore what you deleted to where it was?


Cannot disable trash: Even though trash sucks so much, there is no way to disable
it. There is no way to delete files directly without moving to trash in finder's GUI.


Finder is Broken

There is no cut: There is no "cut" option like in all other OS. So to move a file you have navigate to the destination in a separate Finder window and drag to it, or drag while navigating in the same Finder window through many folders and hope you don't miss.


Can't calculate total size: When you select some files in a folder and right click -> Get Info to find the total size, Finder displays a box for EACH item with the individual sizes. Update: Cmd-Alt-I. Lets you do that. Hmmmm 3 keystrokes, undocumented, and no way to use mouse to do something this common. Great UI Design....


That's not what I want. I don't want to manually add up the file sizes.


Bad selection of shortcuts: Enter is rename, Command-O is open. Inefficient. The action that you do more requires more keystrokes. What kind of files are renamed more than opened?


Can't do quick keyboard navigation because you can't press enter to go into a subfolder.


More bad selection of shortcuts: Backspace should be move up a level in finder, not back. Moving up a level is used more often. Having to press 2 keys for it (cmd-up) is dumb.


Hard to rename files anyway: You cannot rename files in succession. In windows, you would press F2, rename, tab to the next file, rename... etc. In Finder, you have to: enter, name, enter, downarrow, enter, name, enter...etc.


Even harder to mass rename: There is no way select all files, rename them, and have finder append a number after each file like in Vista. Such a simple task shouldn't require automator.


Limited icon size: In icon view, the largest icon size is 128x128 (except in search mode), useless for previewing documents and image files. Yes, there is quicklook, but what if you want to preview multiple files at a time?


Hard to change icon size: It's even harder to change the icon size. You have to go to view options, which requires many clicks or Cmd-J. But the fact that you need to go to a preference dialog to change icon size shows the UI is pretty limited. (except in search mode, where there is a scroll bar to dynamically change size.).


Bad Spacing: The spaces between icons are too big. If you reduce the spacing (In view options again), the
filenames are unnecessarily truncated.


Hard to view metadata: Most views don't show file metadata (size, dimensions, created..etc). Only column view and search mode's icon view have them.


Column view has problems: Let's say you're previewing through a bunch of images in quicklook and deleting the unwanted ones. (so you're pressing down arrow for next file)
When you press cmd-backspace to delete one file, the focus is BACK TO THE PARENT FOLDER. You have to remember and manually navigate to where you left off. It could be
1000 files...


File transfers don't display transfer rate


Cluttered list view: You can easily clutter up the list view by expanding too many folders. There is no way to automatically collapse all of them. You're stuck with a messed up view.


Sorting: Folders
are not always at the top when arranging by kind in list view. Need to
edit a system file to achieve this. Even if the folders happen to be on
top when you sort by kind, you cannot sort by an additional column.



Spotlight sucks

No customization: There are only 3 columns in spotlight search list view. So hard to find information about these files.


No customization: Cannot choose specific extensions or sizes to include/exclude from index. Only a limited preset of types.


Cannot search while indexing: And indexing takes forever.


Bad Calculator Syntax: 2^3 doesn't work. It has to be pow(2,3). I think that's the syntax
for C? Well I shouldn't have to deal with it.


Bad Navigation


No single key delete: It's cmd-backspace. Delete should be more accessible.


Tabs only cycle over text boxes, not buttons or check boxes.


Cannot close property/option dialogs with cmd-w: Inconsistent with other Finder windows.


No consistent shortcut to switch tabs: Firefox, terminal, adium..all have different shortcuts for those. Textmate doesn't even have a shortcut. No shortcut for tabs in preference dialogs, either.


Two ways to press a button: Enter = press highlighted/default button. Space = press bordered button. Confusing. Why can't I use tab or arrow keys to move the highlight?


Smart folder is actually a file: This means you cannot navigate into it in any application other than Finder.


Waste of Screen Space

Most applications take up too much vertical resolution: Why can't they have smaller icons? You cannot ``Shrink'' some of them either. For example... Safari.


Dock takes up too much space: If it's big, it takes up too much space. If it's small, it's impossible to tell one application from another, especially for minimized windows.


Slow unhide: Since it takes up so much space to be usable, I want to hide it. But the there is a long delay to unhide when you hover your mouse in the right place. Not customizable.


Finder again: List view (and other views) take the same space to display less files than Vista Explorer, even when the font size is 8.


Can't hide menu bar: There is no default way to hide the top menu bar to save space. (Many apps don't need a menu) You can use presentMyApps. But the keyboard shortcut to launch spotlight no longer works when the menu bar is hidden.


Window Management (see my other post)


No Show Desktop: The way Expose does it leaves parts of the windows on the screen until you undo it.


No option to show windows side by side: You have to manually move and resize the windows, which is hard because you can only resize from the bottom right corner.


Can't open another window for the same app with mouse: You can do cmd-N or cmd-T all you want. But there is no consistent place to open a new window with MOUSE. (Clicking on the icon in the dock only selects the app)


Expose doesn't include minimized windows: So it's useless for showing ALL open windows. You have to check the minimized ones manually.


Hide and Minimize: So an application can be in 4 states. Closed, Open with windows showing, open with no window showing, and open with some windows minimized. If you forgot about that, you'll probably do cmd-Q on the app to close it.


Separate minimized icons: Logically, windows belonging to an app shouldn't be shown separately from the app's dock icon.


Hard to cycle between windows: Using Expose requires an extra click (and it doesn't show minimized windows) Cmd-Tab switches between applications. Who needs to do that if you application doesn't have a window open? Cmd- ~ is limited to windows of the same application. Witcher is a third-party software that enables per window switching. It's no longer freeware. (And it didn't work that well for me)


The Plus Button: 1) There is no keyboard shortcut for it. 2)Sometimes it's useful, but other times the app can't judge the proper size. It's mostly inconsistent. Firefox just uses it to maximize.


You Need Maximize: Just having the plus button won't do. On a low resolution macbook screen, a "minimal proper size" is almost the full screen anyway, you can't do much with the space left. So why not take up the whole screen?


Video Players

There are several video players in OS X. Quicktime comes with OS X. The rest you have
to download yourself.


Quicktime: Not enough codecs by default. Bad interface, can't fullscreen unless you pay.


Niceplayer/Perian: Has a nice, minimal UI. Perian codec can't seek 720p videos without a long lag. Can't play 1080p videos smoothly (h264).


Movist: Same as above


VLC: Same as above, except with an ugly UI. Often crashes when seeking in videos.


MPlayer OSX Extended: Can seek all videos fast. Cannot play 1080p smoothly.


Plex: The only player that can play 1080p smoothly. It's a media center, not player. Horrible controls, low audio. You definitely don't want to use it for anything other than 1080p.


The KMPlayer: The best player ever. Plays 1080p smoothly. Fast seeking, Beautiful and efficient UI, excellent support of subtitles and keyboard shortcuts. Not available for OS X. (Don't even think about running it in VMware. It won't help you).


Documents/Pictures/PDFs

Preview: There is no Next or Previous!. So you can't go through a folder of pictures in Finder! Quicklook is not a asolution. As soon as you click on somewhere else or another, unrelated file, it disappears or changes.


Also, there is no way to use the mouse scroll to zoom the document you're viewing. You either have to keep clicking the Zoom button or keep pressing a 3 key shortcut, and keep switching to the panning tool.


Editing Pictures: There is no good free painting app. Seashore is not as good as Paint.net for windows. Gimp looks ugly on OS X and is overkill.


Problems with other default Apps

Safari: No way to open last (accidentally) closed tab (without plugin). I'm not talking about sessions. With multiple windows, you cannot drag a window into another Safari window as a tab unless the window you're dragging is also a tab. This is minor, but Google Chrome can do it.


iTunes: Takes any music file you have into its library. You have to use another player if you just want to test listen. (as a workaround, you can delete the file from library afterwards, but it's ugly).


iTunes has a feature to organize your music files based on metatags. Like anything Apple, it's not customizable. They always take the path of artist/album/songtitle. What if I want genre/composer/album/songtitle? It's also very hard to transfer your iTunes library to another player.


Photo Booth: There is no way to turn off the flashes and clicks when you take pictures. It gets annoying. It's even more ridiculous when what you're taking is not a self portrait. (Correction: Press Option for no countdown, Shift for no flash, can be combined)


iPhoto: More annoying than helpful for non-Photos. Also cannot create smart folders
based on picture resolution.


Address Book: You need an iPhone/iPod to sync Google Contacts with Address Book, unless you do a workaround. I don't see the point.


Other Problems

QuickLook: No easy way to specify filetypes for quicklook. eg. PHP is a PLAINTEXT
file. It should work in Quicklook.


No keyboard shortcut for Fast User Switching like in Windows-L for XP/Vista/Win7. It's useful when you're leaving your computer and want to lock it quickly.


External Keyboard: Function key mapping (Cmd, Ctrl, Alt..etc) doesn't work very well on non-Apple keyboards. Sometimes right functions keys don't work. Sometimes they mess up the laptop keyboard. There is also no way to emulate the FN key on non-Apple keyboard.


Firefox/Safari Bookmarks: Middle clicking your bookmarks in the menu bar in Firefox or Safari does not open the link in a new tab.


Boot Camp is Crippled

Hard to right click with touchpad on windows.


2 finger scroll is choppy.


No middle click for touchpad.


No tapping for touchpad.


Cannot disable touchpad while mouse is present.


After I removed bootcamp partition, I couldn't create another one without reformat. (tried repair, single user mode disk fix, defrag..etc) Doesn't happen a lot, but once is bad enough.


Hardware


If you don't want OS X, there is no reason to get the hardware.


One Button Touchpad: no longer a problem for newer glass pads, but very annoying if you do have it.


Bad LCD Screen: My Macbook's LCD has worse viewing angles than my $600 Lenovo NON-Thinkpad, from over a year ago. Friend with Macbook Pro has similar experience.


Low Resolution for the Screen Size: 1280x800 for 13.3" is semi-acceptable, 1440x900 for 15.4" is not! It should be at least 1680x1050, preferrably 1920x1200. If PC laptops can do it, why can't Macs? (Yes, some PCs have even lower resolutions, but they don't cost $2000). I know some people don't need such high resolution. This doesn't mean you shouldn't have the option of having it.


Only 2 USB Ports: Even netbooks have 3.


Firewire is useless: unless you're doing high end video editing. OK, so new Macbooks got rid of firewire, but they STILL ONLY HAVE 2 USB PORTS!!!


No Microphone Port: The microphone port on the Macbook is a lie. It's an unamplified Line-in port. You cannot expect to plug in a microphone and have it work.


Cannot Boot From USB Drive.

With All These Problems...

Do you really want a Mac? The only reason you should use Mac is if you're a rails programmer and can't live without TextMate. Or if you need the Unix shell and cygwin is not good enough for you.


I know what Mac fanatics are going to say: "If you can't do it in OS X, then you don't need to do it.", followed by a bunch of personal insults... Hopefully this post will at least warn users who are about to be "influenced to switch" of buying a Mac without knowing if they really need it.

Source
iMav
iMav #2
Feb 8, 2009 at 12:39 AM
oh crap I needed something like this an hour back!
chooza
chooza #3
Feb 8, 2009 at 12:51 AM
Didn't know where else to put it. Found through Digg



Source
Good Bro. I dont know abt apple. Thanks.May this will be an opener for some MS bashers
Liverpool_fan
Feb 8, 2009 at 1:09 AM
One Sentence:
The concept of user friendliness is subjective...
rockthegod
Feb 8, 2009 at 7:58 AM
^^kinda agree .... Its all Macs in my lab, and being a long-term Windows and Linux user, I find OSX to be irritating in many aspects.... hence I work in my laptop and avoid Macs as far as its possible to..... BUT on the other hand I have seen my boss, a long term OSX user, finding difficulty to use PCs with as much ease as he does with his Mac.. .so yeah, its subjective and no point in bashing any OS.... use whichever u r comfortable with....:)
MetalheadGautham
Feb 8, 2009 at 10:33 AM
I agree too. Its always relative and subjective. NOBODY will believe me if I say ArchLinux is easier than CentOS for example.
S
Feb 8, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Mac OS X is not user friendly
lolucrazy? :D

@Gautham,Arch is easier than nothing PERIOD

If you like it then use it or GTFO. Why even care to bash any OS. I personally don't like XP. Will I go shouting on roads that XP sucks?
As for Mac OS X,every OS has its flaws but you just can't call it broken or anything.
Take Vista for example. The pop ups when installing any application. Its asks at least twice before installing something. Do you call that user friendly?
I guess you guys are full grown ups unlike me and still post this Mac vs PC non-sense.. Sigh!!
MetalheadGautham
Feb 8, 2009 at 11:41 AM
lolucrazy? :D

@Gautham,Arch is easier than nothing PERIOD

If you like it then use it or GTFO. Why even care to bash any OS. I personally don't like XP. Will I go shouting on roads that XP sucks?
As for Mac OS X,every OS has its flaws but you just can't call it broken or anything.
Take Vista for example. The pop ups when installing any application. Its asks at least twice before installing something. Do you call that user friendly?
I guess you guys are full grown ups unlike me and still post this Mac vs PC non-sense.. Sigh!!
See!!!!!

This is what I mean. Its always relative and subjective.

Sunny PROVED my point stronger than ever.

He finds it really easy, saurav finds it hard, while I don't see whats the point.

It IS, it WAS, and it WILL BE always subjective and relative you say how something is.
vish786
vish786 #9
Feb 8, 2009 at 12:46 PM
"Mac aint friendly anymore to windows users" :idea:
phreak0ut
phreak0ut #10
Feb 8, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Whenever I go to an Apple Store or any store which has Macs for demos, the person who is around, almost always doesn't want me to use the machine there! It's really annoying!! Even if he lets me use it, he keeps breathing down my neck, as though I'm gonna take away the 21-incher or whatever. This has made me to stay away from Macs for the first reason: I can't get to feel the Mac. The next reason being, the guy almost always acts like a snob. WTF would I want to buy from a dealer who doesn't want to guide his potential customers? Also, I found that single-button mouse VERY annoying.
iMav
iMav #11
Feb 8, 2009 at 7:26 PM
^^ Give them a good dressing down. Trust me such faggoty sales-men need that. Besides the feeling of venting your frustration on a macboy has an al together different calming effect :D
chooza
chooza #12
Feb 8, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Whenever I go to an Apple Store or any store which has Macs for demos, the person who is around, almost always doesn't want me to use the machine there! It's really annoying!! Even if he lets me use it, he keeps breathing down my neck, as though I'm gonna take away the 21-incher or whatever. This has made me to stay away from Macs for the first reason: I can't get to feel the Mac. The next reason being, the guy almost always acts like a snob. WTF would I want to buy from a dealer who doesn't want to guide his potential customers? Also, I found that single-button mouse VERY annoying.

ACtually problem is not you. its Apple itself. He knows if god fobid, any thing went wrong, then he has to wait form months for the part to return back from SErvice. Isiliye, woh chahta hai ki bhaiya chal raha hai toh chalne do, kuch ho gaya na bhagwaan hi maalik hai.
Lol:D:D:D:D:D:D
gxsaurav
gxsaurav #13
Feb 8, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Whenever I go to an Apple Store or any store which has Macs for demos, the person who is around, almost always doesn't want me to use the machine there! It's really annoying!! Even if he lets me use it, he keeps breathing down my neck, as though I'm gonna take away the 21-incher or whatever. This has made me to stay away from Macs for the first reason: I can't get to feel the Mac. The next reason being, the guy almost always acts like a snob. WTF would I want to buy from a dealer who doesn't want to guide his potential customers? Also, I found that single-button mouse VERY annoying.

He is afraid U might push the key combination ctrl+alt+delete :D & if that doesn't work you will say Mac sucks, so before u can do it, he will stop U
chooza
chooza #14
Feb 8, 2009 at 9:48 PM
^ hehehe
IronManForever
Feb 8, 2009 at 11:37 PM
WOW! Its interesting to note how well the human mind adapts! I have used windows for long.
I realised 'none', I repeat NONE of the given pointers. Until I read them here, that is.

Nice read. Some are wrong though.
RCuber
RCuber #16
Feb 8, 2009 at 11:57 PM
LOL :lol: .. really funny
a_k_s_h_a_y
Feb 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Yippee !! Another Round !!!! Its 2009 !! We are missing some people !!! Hope all of them get back soon. :p


Obviously users will take time to get adjusted to MAC OS X. Especially Windows Users, because they are used to the UI designed by MS.
Faun
Faun #22
Feb 9, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Well...Mac is different :D
phreak0ut
phreak0ut #23
Feb 10, 2009 at 7:15 PM
He is afraid U might push the key combination ctrl+alt+delete :D & if that doesn't work you will say Mac sucks, so before u can do it, he will stop U

Hehehe..... I think they generally think that I might actually try out :p For fun :D
harishgayatri
Feb 13, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Hey I found the single button trackpad pretty good

It is very easy to use
to do single click tap once with one finger
to do double click tap twice with one finger
to right click tap once with 2 fingers simultaneously

and that's it

I got my Unibody 13.3 inch MacBook and it is excellent and also userfriendly
S
Feb 13, 2009 at 2:04 PM
^^
Of course it is but we're talking something else:D
pickster
pickster #26
Feb 13, 2009 at 4:56 PM
"Firewire is useless" ??
you are bashing Mac hardware cuz it had some extra port cuz you dont use it?
oh come on man.

its fair that you say that they have only USB two ports (which incidently even my Vaio had :p), but bashing for something extra is stoopid.
B
blackleopard #27
Apr 28, 2009 at 11:35 AM
A small correction about the bootcamp part.
It's not fault of OSX itself.
All the problems you told about bootcamp are actually windows issues (bootcamp is merely a partition manager and bootloader combo, when you select windows you're booting into windows just like in a normal PC), driver issues and the fact that apple trackpads have only one button.
hellknight
Jul 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Hi-Speed USB has already pwned FireWire.. and it was previously said by tech pundits that adaptation of Intel processors in Mac would kill FireWire and it happened... on the other hand.. i think that there is no way to know the size of multiple files of folders combined in Mac OS X..
A
Anon #29
Jul 30, 2009 at 10:48 AM
One Sentence:
The concept of user friendliness is subjective...

Exactly. I have seen many of my friends using Mac OS X very happily and it works for them.
The_Devil_Himself
Aug 1, 2009 at 6:56 PM
*www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/Chuck_Norris_Approves.gif
ionicsachin
Aug 2, 2009 at 2:21 AM
Mera OS Mahaan...looks like another OS war here
Psychosocial
Aug 11, 2009 at 8:04 PM
To the Windows side :- I am with you guys!

:D
Apple Juice
Aug 12, 2009 at 1:11 AM
use leopard u will come to knw leopard is the best 8)
jal_desai
jal_desai #36
Aug 12, 2009 at 3:40 AM
There is no war. There cant be any war. Clearly, Windows is in our Blood! All those who brag about Apple products know that they were ripped by Apple for nothing. They have no option but to brag in vain and comment and point their finger on every fart that Microsoft makes. Deep down they hate being the haters of Windows and secretly drool over new features/products from MS. Windows cant be ignored! Windows can't die! Windows will prevail! One day I will buy a MacBook Pro and install Windows 7 in it and stick "I M A PC" stickers over that f'd up half eaten apple logo.
Psychosocial
Aug 12, 2009 at 11:18 AM
There is no war. There cant be any war. Clearly, Windows is in our Blood! All those who brag about Apple products know that they were ripped by Apple for nothing. They have no option but to brag in vain and comment and point their finger on every fart that Microsoft makes. Deep down they hate being the haters of Windows and secretly drool over new features/products from MS. Windows cant be ignored! Windows can't die! Windows will prevail! One day I will buy a MacBook Pro and install Windows 7 in it and stick "I M A PC" stickers over that f'd up half eaten apple logo.

People who purchase Macs get ripped off and then they vent their frustration by making other people buy the same worthless products :D
Liverpool_fan
Aug 12, 2009 at 2:30 PM
There is no war. There cant be any war. Clearly, Windows is in our Blood! All those who brag about Apple products know that they were ripped by Apple for nothing. They have no option but to brag in vain and comment and point their finger on every fart that Microsoft makes. Deep down they hate being the haters of Windows and secretly drool over new features/products from MS. Windows cant be ignored! Windows can't die! Windows will prevail! One day I will buy a MacBook Pro and install Windows 7 in it and stick "I M A PC" stickers over that f'd up half eaten apple logo.

LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

And end up putting YOUR money in Apple's coffers...Excellent. Apple needs more Windows users like these. :lol:
Faun
Faun #39
Aug 12, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Yash Raj onlee !
Garbage
Garbage #40
Aug 12, 2009 at 6:55 PM
There is no war. There cant be any war. Clearly, Windows is in our Blood! All those who brag about Apple products know that they were ripped by Apple for nothing. They have no option but to brag in vain and comment and point their finger on every fart that Microsoft makes. Deep down they hate being the haters of Windows and secretly drool over new features/products from MS. Windows cant be ignored! Windows can't die! Windows will prevail! One day I will buy a MacBook Pro and install Windows 7 in it and stick "I M A PC" stickers over that f'd up half eaten apple logo.

And you think, the world will say you a great windows fan-boy? huh...:cool:
H
Sep 30, 2009 at 10:02 PM
its a shame. i have been using windows for over 8 years now. i started off with windows 98 and went on until windows 7 arrived and then i bought apple macbook pro to try out something new. its the 13.3 inch screen with 2.26 GHz processor. you wont find the screen size difference between 14.1 and 13.3. its a based model and paid 62K (student discount) for it from ansal plaza, delhi.

my first impression was "wow". its light, gives about 6+ hours battery life although they say 7 hours!, the screen is awesome (what is wrong with the author?). unlike other laptops, i can watch movies from any direction and not worry about the battery getting exhausted while traveling.

the multi touch trackpad is like wow. please youtube for a video. windows' laptops SUCKS to the core. and i mean it. nobody in his/her right mind will want to go back to the windows laptops once you start off with macbook pro. i have bought over 50 laptops for friends and family - dell, lenovo, compaq, hp etc etc and nothing matches what macbook pro has to offer. the OS is just awesome - snow leopard.

the points that the author made is valid in few aspects. its only a matter of time before u get used to the mac world. he was born in the windows world and couldn't adapt himself. many changes has been made now and more than half of this points are not valid anymore. the rest is just a matter of time learning the new OS.

if you have the money, go for macbook pro and you will never ever wanna go back to windows' laptops! i assure u that. its worth paying 62k. which windows laptop gives 6+ hours battery backup and light as macbook pro with keyboard lid at night and multi touch trackpad (u must check the youtube videos on trackpad) and many other features...

remember, sanjay dutt and few other actors remain as they can adapt themselves to changes. action hero to comedians! while others like sunny doel went offline hehe
chooza
chooza #42
Oct 9, 2009 at 1:16 AM
its a shame. i have been using windows for over 8 years now. i started off with windows 98 and went on until windows 7 arrived and then i bought apple macbook pro to try out something new. its the 13.3 inch screen with 2.26 GHz processor. you wont find the screen size difference between 14.1 and 13.3. its a based model and paid 62K (student discount) for it from ansal plaza, delhi.

my first impression was "wow". its light, gives about 6+ hours battery life although they say 7 hours!, the screen is awesome (what is wrong with the author?). unlike other laptops, i can watch movies from any direction and not worry about the battery getting exhausted while traveling.

the multi touch trackpad is like wow. please youtube for a video. windows' laptops SUCKS to the core. and i mean it. nobody in his/her right mind will want to go back to the windows laptops once you start off with macbook pro. i have bought over 50 laptops for friends and family - dell, lenovo, compaq, hp etc etc and nothing matches what macbook pro has to offer. the OS is just awesome - snow leopard.

the points that the author made is valid in few aspects. its only a matter of time before u get used to the mac world. he was born in the windows world and couldn't adapt himself. many changes has been made now and more than half of this points are not valid anymore. the rest is just a matter of time learning the new OS.

if you have the money, go for macbook pro and you will never ever wanna go back to windows' laptops! i assure u that. its worth paying 62k. which windows laptop gives 6+ hours battery backup and light as macbook pro with keyboard lid at night and multi touch trackpad (u must check the youtube videos on trackpad) and many other features...

remember, sanjay dutt and few other actors remain as they can adapt themselves to changes. action hero to comedians! while others like sunny doel went offline hehe

For you. Kindly go through all these
*www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article...er-Snow-Leopard-and-you-should-too/1253136981

*gizmodo.com/5285452/os-x-snow-leopard-vs-windows-7-the-final-countdown

*www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137182/OS_deathmatch_Snow_Leopard_vs._Windows_7

*www.osnews.com/story/22124/Comparing_Windows_7_Snow_Leopard_Icons

So, never try to compare the one in the millionth product to a universal product like MS Windows. I use my PC for my own work,, not for ne sanjay dutt or etc.
Krow
Krow #43
Oct 9, 2009 at 9:00 AM
Lol @ this thread! Really funny to see all these arguments. Quit it guys... Use what you like best. :)
H
Oct 10, 2009 at 3:48 PM
@chooza,

m comparing the hardware! but yeah the Snow Leopard beats Windows too in many aspects. i don't wanna start a hate thread here and so won't do in detail..

OS is a matter of time before one learn to use it. the links u provided are just comparisons between windows 7 and snow leopard.

they can NEVER compare the hardware apple has to offer in this price range. which laptop that runs windows gives u 6+ hours battery backup with multitouch trackpad and sleek and light as macbook pro @ Rs 62,000? NONE. admit it.

anywaz its funny.. how people will shed their blood for :) ..m having fun with my new macbook pro and i still recommend anyone who can afford it. you will not wanna go back to windows.
desiibond
desiibond #45
Oct 10, 2009 at 4:18 PM
its a shame. i have been using windows for over 8 years now. i started off with windows 98 and went on until windows 7 arrived and then i bought apple macbook pro to try out something new. its the 13.3 inch screen with 2.26 GHz processor. you wont find the screen size difference between 14.1 and 13.3. its a based model and paid 62K (student discount) for it from ansal plaza, delhi.

my first impression was "wow". its light, gives about 6+ hours battery life although they say 7 hours!, the screen is awesome (what is wrong with the author?). unlike other laptops, i can watch movies from any direction and not worry about the battery getting exhausted while traveling.

the multi touch trackpad is like wow. please youtube for a video. windows' laptops SUCKS to the core. and i mean it. nobody in his/her right mind will want to go back to the windows laptops once you start off with macbook pro. i have bought over 50 laptops for friends and family - dell, lenovo, compaq, hp etc etc and nothing matches what macbook pro has to offer. the OS is just awesome - snow leopard.

the points that the author made is valid in few aspects. its only a matter of time before u get used to the mac world. he was born in the windows world and couldn't adapt himself. many changes has been made now and more than half of this points are not valid anymore. the rest is just a matter of time learning the new OS.

if you have the money, go for macbook pro and you will never ever wanna go back to windows' laptops! i assure u that. its worth paying 62k. which windows laptop gives 6+ hours battery backup and light as macbook pro with keyboard lid at night and multi touch trackpad (u must check the youtube videos on trackpad) and many other features...

remember, sanjay dutt and few other actors remain as they can adapt themselves to changes. action hero to comedians! while others like sunny doel went offline hehe

SRK always goes after others wives in his movies and still he is there in the industry :)

Take a look at Sony Vaio, Dell XPS, Thinkpad X series, Acer 5738 series laptops.
H
Oct 10, 2009 at 8:37 PM
PHP:
SRK always goes after others wives in his movies and still he is there in the industry

i wish i could too hehe

and thanx for your valuable suggestions in the other forums. i feel i made the best choice. i was checking on dell xps too after u mentioned it but went for the other. no regrets although searching for pirated software is hard hehe.. windows' is better that way hehe
desiibond
desiibond #47
Oct 10, 2009 at 8:43 PM
^^yep. You did make the right decision. Btw, does that macbook pro have 9600M GT? If it has, that would be terrific buy.
the.kaushik
Oct 13, 2009 at 12:47 AM
"Mac aint friendly anymore to windows users" :idea:

Mac OS X user is not Windows friendly :D

Mac is not pocket friendly.

Mac is only Deep Pocket friendly :rolleyes:

Best of all :D

SRK always goes after others wives in his movies and still he is there in the industry :)

Take a look at Sony Vaio, Dell XPS, Thinkpad X series, Acer 5738 series laptops.

:D i did the same.. I liked Sony Vaio but the model i liked was 1.3lac and it was out of my budget. Next best thing were XPS and MacBookPro(Personaly dont like brands like Acer.Used Thinkpad befor and dont want to use again). Looked at Dell XPS and Macbook pro and i end up with a macbook pro. Reason was not the OS but the dashing stylish laptop with that multi touch. But now after using it for almost 2 months i feel i have started liking Mac Snow leopard. Born and grown on pirated OS from 98 to vista i always felt windows is best and still now i feel window is much ahead from OS X for application support but something i really fell good about the OS X is the clean look and dont have unwanted stuffs, NO MAJOR PROBLEM of VIRUS atleast till now and i hated scanning pendrives of my friends which i dont need to do now :) Also one best part why a mac user wont miss winodw is because of the support of virtualization. I can literally run any windows app even IE6 which you cant do on Vista :p on Mac using CrossOver or run vista or win 7 on macos x with VMware parallel or to play NFS i have a 30 GB of dedicated windows vista bootable on my laptop just restart and play game.

Macbook Pro is a lovely device and would suggest anyone spending good amount of money for laptop should have a look for macbook pro.The aluminum body rocks.
H
Oct 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM
^^yep. You did make the right decision. Btw, does that macbook pro have 9600M GT? If it has, that would be terrific buy.

i got NVIDIA GeForce 9400M. it will do for now wit 2GB RAM but it runs like 4GB RAM on windows vista! snow leopard is so smooth and far lighter than windows.

recommended to anyone who wants to buy a new laptop.
desiibond
desiibond #50
Oct 13, 2009 at 11:04 AM
^^Looks like the 65k macbook pro has become one of the hottest laptops in the market now. :)
P
Oct 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Hey Gxsaurav.
Myself Petricnout and I read your entire posting. I think you are absolutely right. Mac Os is not just the user friendly Operating System, It is useful for making application programming software. User friendly operating system is Microsoft OS Family. So, You should have to go for that. Anyways thanks for posting it .Stay connected.
J
Oct 26, 2009 at 4:52 PM
I wont even consider Mac to be an OS. A OS is supposed to run on any machine not some crap machine which is manufactured by the company.

A very good example for monopoly. You have to go to apple store for everything u need to do with your mac and you have to pay for the service packs which is nothing but their own bug fixes. I still dont understand why 5% of world still has to go behind this crap. Well may be there has to at least few stupid enough.
O
oval_man #53
Nov 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM
New MacBook Pro with 7hours battery backup is available in India?

Anyone using it? Any digit review?

Plz share!
the.kaushik
Nov 2, 2009 at 11:51 PM
New MacBook Pro with 7hours battery backup is available in India?

Anyone using it? Any digit review?

Plz share!

Ya am using and almost 2 months now. What details you want?
-----------------------------------------
Posted again:
-----------------------------------------
I wont even consider Mac to be an OS. A OS is supposed to run on any machine not some crap machine which is manufactured by the company.

A very good example for monopoly. You have to go to apple store for everything u need to do with your mac and you have to pay for the service packs which is nothing but their own bug fixes. I still dont understand why 5% of world still has to go behind this crap. Well may be there has to at least few stupid enough.

:D and the % increasing. Truly speaking i really dont want from MY heart, to increase the ratio. It will keep the apple factor alive :p After all if its for every one then its not apple :p
O
oval_man #55
Nov 9, 2009 at 12:49 PM
^^^that's gr8! howz ur experience with Macbook pro?

I've enquired here in Chennai,they say new macbooks will be available only after 2-3 wks,

From where u got it? India? or US?

Howz d price? any big difference between macbook(basic model) and pro?

U can write a review to enlighten us!
the.kaushik
Nov 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM
There are so many reviews in the internet so i dint wrote anything. :)
Though you can have my initial experience here and ask me specifically if you want to know *classictutorials.com/2009/09/11/101-with-mac-story-of-a-window-user/

I took it from Bangalore iStore (Reliance). Basic difference when i took was the multitouch pad (which now is available in the upcoming mac book also) and the aluminum body which is very nice and you can be rough to it ;) If you are taking the 13" model i would suggest you to have the one with 4GB. For me i took the 2Gb one and i really miss 4GB as it would have been better to run windows virtually and running heavy flash videos. Usually when i play games in facebook the laptop heats up(80 to 90C. Which according to apple is fine. I called there customer care). I feel i would have given it some more ram.
freshseasons
Dec 25, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Mac OS X is not user friendly
Because:-
1)Users find it difficult to buy mac with ther petite money.
2)There are less stores available for it to buy and even more lesser money .
3)Steve Jobs is dying so the new boss is not user friendly.
4)It is difficult to pirate Os X than say windows so not user friendly.
pickster
pickster #58
Dec 26, 2009 at 10:09 PM
4)It is difficult to pirate Os X than say windows so not user friendly.

actually, its easy to pirate.
people are not exposed to the "scene" so much.
PLUS, you can't run it on any computer.
freshseasons
Dec 27, 2009 at 12:00 AM
^^^It was meant as a joke.Thanks for listening carefully. :D
quan chi
quan chi #60
Dec 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM
but mac claims they are the worlds most adavanced os.:D

^^kinda agree .... Its all Macs in my lab, and being a long-term Windows and Linux user, I find OSX to be irritating in many aspects.... hence I work in my laptop and avoid Macs as far as its possible to..... BUT on the other hand I have seen my boss, a long term OSX user, finding difficulty to use PCs with as much ease as he does with his Mac.. .so yeah, its subjective and no point in bashing any OS.... use whichever u r comfortable with....:)

true.
H
Jan 1, 2010 at 10:30 AM
everyone is missing the point - the hardware. thats the difference.

no windows laptop: dell, vaio, hp, lenovo... etc cannot offer what macbook pro hardware has to offer at 60K

btw, i can always run windows xp/vista/7 like any other application (like i would run safari, firefox, itunes, etc) while running the mac OS. beat that. :twisted:
N
Jan 1, 2010 at 2:22 PM
^Games too? GFW games?
Krow
Krow #64
Jan 1, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Mac has some games. A good example would be Dragon Age: Origins.
skeletor
skeletor #65
Jan 23, 2010 at 3:21 AM
Getting used to Linux takes months.
Getting used to Windows takes a fortnight.
And getting used to a Mac takes minutes.

Thats newbie friendliness.

User friendliness is subjective.
hellknight
Jan 24, 2010 at 5:43 PM
@hackerzlab.. you must be out of your mind..
MBP specs :-

2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2 GB DDR3
Onboard 9400 NVIDIA GFx
160 GB HDD


Now, let's se Dell Studio 15

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 GHz (P8700) MBP has P7350
4 GB DDR2
250 GB HDD
ATI Radeon 4570

These all under 60k.. And there's that awesome Sony VAIO too..

Processor :- Intel Core 2 Duo P8700 (2.53 GHz)
RAM :- 4 GB DDR3
GFX :- NVIDIA GT230M (waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than 9400M)
HDD :- 320GB (twice that of MBP)

This one is for just Rs. 58k!!!
So please check the Apple's site first and then post.
PS :- The Sony VAIO CW comes loaded with Adobe Premiere Elements, Adobe Photoshop Elements and Roxio Media Creator.. which are way better than iMovie, iPhoto and if there is some iBurning iCrap loaded in MBP. It even has HDMI port if you want to hook it up to external display.. and the MBP has.. oh yeah.. the lousy mini-display port

And change your freaking name.. you're a disgust in the names of hackers who thinks that Mac OS X can't be installed on PC...
skeletor
skeletor #67
Jan 24, 2010 at 5:48 PM
What are we comparing over here? Only the operating systems (the Thread title suggests so), so I think it would be better if everyone keeps the Hardware out of comparison. :)

---------- Post added at 05:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:47 PM ----------

no windows laptop: dell, vaio, hp, lenovo... etc cannot offer what macbook pro hardware has to offer at 60K
:lol: :lol: :lol:
desiibond
desiibond #68
Jan 24, 2010 at 6:36 PM
everyone is missing the point - the hardware. thats the difference.

no windows laptop: dell, vaio, hp, lenovo... etc cannot offer what macbook pro hardware has to offer at 60K

btw, i can always run windows xp/vista/7 like any other application (like i would run safari, firefox, itunes, etc) while running the mac OS. beat that. :twisted:

for 65k, I now get a core i7 + HD4650 based laptop from Dell. In h/w PC hardware is much much better when compared to macs.

But yes, when it comes to UI, it certainly is user friendly. For someone who has been on windows for whole life, it takes some time in getting used to.

Use Solaris and you will know how a user-unfriendly OS looks like :)
skeletor
skeletor #69
Jan 24, 2010 at 7:50 PM
For someone who has been on windows for whole life, it takes some time in getting used to.
I've bought a Mac mini. I had never touched a Mac before. Within 15 minutes, I was totally familiar with the environment.

For me, Snow Leopard has been 'that' user friendly. Seriously.

I've been using Windows 7 since over a month. And again, I had never touched Vista before switching to 7. And it took me around 2 weeks to get used to Windows 7.

Being a FOSS enthusiast, I'll admit that getting used to Linux takes a few months. You'll actually have to install something like Arch to understand basic things about Linux more clearly.

Currently using: Arch Linux (primary), Windows 7 on Acer Aspire 5630 and Snow Leopard (might become my Primary OS) on Mac mini.
krates
krates #70
Jan 24, 2010 at 8:36 PM
mac is different.. it is out of the box thinking..

Steve jobs rocks........ :D
hellknight
Jan 25, 2010 at 7:50 PM
@ico.. I'm too FOSS enthusiast... and no, it doesn't requires you to install Arch to learn basic things about Linux.. my dad is using Ubuntu on his laptop since the days of 8.04 and he never complains anything..

But, installing Arch is a pleasure.. you can learn how the entire OS works when you install it... on the other hand, Mac OS X is so tightly guarded by Apple that you can never guess what is going where, what's happening to all the threads etc.. they took all the good things from FOSS like BSD kernel, KHTML from Konqueror and most importantly they took GCC to make their XCode which allows them to make apps.. and they charge you for becoming a developer.. What a shame!!
the.kaushik
Jan 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM
and they charge you for becoming a developer.. What a shame!!

Ya thats something i thought apple should have thought about. It would have given some more dimension, though 99$ is not much for a developer but still.
Krow
Krow #73
Jan 25, 2010 at 10:40 PM
$99 = ~Rs. 5000. Way too much for trying to help make something better (unless of course you get like 10 times the amount in return).
skeletor
skeletor #74
Jan 25, 2010 at 11:35 PM
@ico.. I'm too FOSS enthusiast... and no, it doesn't requires you to install Arch to learn basic things about Linux.. my dad is using Ubuntu on his laptop since the days of 8.04 and he never complains anything..

But, installing Arch is a pleasure.. you can learn how the entire OS works when you install it...
I never said that it requires Arch to learn basic things about Linux.

A one day installation of Arch gave me the experience which I would have got after using Ubuntu for months.

Arch was my first distribution. I took the harder way, I think learning curve was faster for me due to that.

---------- Post added at 11:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:22 PM ----------

and they charge you for becoming a developer.. What a shame!!

Ya thats something i thought apple should have thought about. It would have given some more dimension, though 99$ is not much for a developer but still.

$99 = ~Rs. 5000. Way too much for trying to help make something better (unless of course you get like 10 times the amount in return).
Agreed. But thats for iPhone SDK and iPhone OS development. Xcode is free and is used for OS X development. I think that I've got Xcode in the other DVD which I received with my Mac mini.

But the topic is Mac OS X is not user friendly. We are going a lot offtopic.
S
Jan 26, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Mac OS X is a lot more user friendly than any other OS. I've used Arch Linux, Ubuntu, Windows 7 and Leopard and I find Leopard the most user friendly and usable OS. It's very secure, looks great, has tons of great applications and most of all it 'works'.
It's not that I'm a apple fanboy or I hate Windows. In fact I use Windows 7 Ultimate as my primary OS on my PC. Heck I even bought the original copy! If you're into gaming then there's no alternative to Windows but for everything else Mac pwns Windows or Linux for that matter. It's only gaming that still makes me go back to Windows. If it weren't for gaming I'd be a full time Mac user by now.
People don't realize the awesomeness of Mac or Mac OS X until they use it. Take ico for an example. He's started to see Snow Leopard as his primary OS already. I'm sure that sooner or later he'll shift to Mac OS X as his primary OS as I don't see he's much into gaming except Urban Terror which works natively on Mac OS X.
For comments like 'people who bought a Mac got ripped off and all that jibber jabber', above explanation is the best. You need to use it to believe it.
skeletor
skeletor #76
Jan 26, 2010 at 2:59 PM
^ +1000000000
Faun
Faun #77
Jan 26, 2010 at 6:21 PM
"very secure" :D
skeletor
skeletor #78
Jan 26, 2010 at 7:20 PM
That very secure was an exaggeration though. :p
S
Jan 26, 2010 at 7:41 PM
At least we don't need to pay just to keep our computers secure. :D
hellknight
Jan 26, 2010 at 8:24 PM
^ Yeah.. that's why Mac gets hacked even before Windows every time at Hackerfest.. or what ever is that.. Charlie Miller hacked Mac firstly in 2 minutes and then in 10 seconds.. and you Macboys then talk about security...
S
Jan 26, 2010 at 8:35 PM
*smokes* I smell OS war.
hellknight
Jan 26, 2010 at 10:29 PM
Yup.. trying to ignite a flame in a dead forum...
skeletor
skeletor #83
Jan 26, 2010 at 10:31 PM
Who is a Macboy here? /me is not. ;)

The topic is, Mac OS X is not user friendly ;)
Apple Juice
Jan 28, 2010 at 5:58 PM
Who is a Macboy here? /me is not. ;)

The topic is, Mac OS X is not user friendly ;)
u sud be pr0ud of being a macboy. :mad: look at me i am macboy, for life. :cool: :cool: :cool:
and u speak sense mac os x is newbie friendly and friendly 4 all :cool:
Faun
Faun #85
Jan 28, 2010 at 8:17 PM
@sapota juice
its good to be a macboy. I admire jour attitude.
tarey_g
tarey_g #87
Jan 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM
u sud be pr0ud of being a macboy. :mad: look at me i am macboy, for life. :cool: :cool: :cool:
and u speak sense mac os x is newbie friendly and friendly 4 all :cool:

go fetch a iPad, go go go... Its your duty I suppose as a macboy.
skeletor
skeletor #88
Feb 2, 2010 at 4:44 PM
I was thinking of setting up Apache-MySql-PHP on Snow Leopard. I just realized yesterday that Apache & PHP were already installed and I just had to enable 'Web Sharing' from System Preferences to enable Apache. It was indeed a pleasant surprise.

If you want, you can surely call it 'user friendliness'.
Faun
Faun #89
Feb 2, 2010 at 8:56 PM
^^Sure but choli ke peeche kya hai :D
skeletor
skeletor #90
Feb 2, 2010 at 9:06 PM
^ :lol: adfjahfkret
lywyre
lywyre #91
Feb 12, 2010 at 12:40 PM
:grin::nanananana:I like Apple, and apple juice and my doctor also said an apple a day is good for ... w8 a min... you guyz talking of THAT apple ... its forbidden. Don't eat :nanananana: