Mac vs Windows · DIGIT-ARC

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Hi all

I have been debating with the idea of switching from Windows to Mac OS. I would highly appreciate comments and pros and cons from experienced users of both to help me decide..

Best regards

try laying ur hands on this month's FAST TRACK on Mac. shud help u in deciding

What is your primary requirment for switching? Whats your budget for the hardware? Before you make a decision, I would recomend having a look here for the Pros & Cons of Mac OS X

The ultimate shootout: Apple Mac OS X vs. Microsoft Windows Vista

Windows Explorer vs Mac OS X Finder

WMP 11 Vs iTunes + QuickTime

If you are in the market for a compleately new Desktop & can pay 60k for a moderate hardware based Desktop or atleast 1.1 lakh on a Macbook pro Laptop, then sure go ahead & get a Mac. The Mac Salesman of this forum, Arya can u help u better.

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slugger said:
try laying ur hands on this month's FAST TRACK on Mac. shud help u in deciding

Thankyou sirs.. for your prompt input, I would go thru the links.. However could you plz clarify where I can get my hands on Fast Track.. is a separate mag or part of Digit , I am not so savy in these things..

Regards

Buy digit July 2007, this months edition

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Ok thanks Saurav

well, if u're done reading those 'unbiased' comparisons, I would like to state my personal opinion, I have been using macbook pro for 6 months now, and I am really happy with the switch. not running any antivirus, not running any firewall or antispyware software, not having to go through maintenence every month, no defragmentation, and everything just works on the OSX side. plus, I can also run windows on either bootcamp or parallels desktop or vmware fusion. and I should tell u, the only times I had to reset my MBP is when I was running windows.

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yash said:
I should tell u, the only times I had to reset my MBP is when I was running windows.

must be the mac can't handle the power of MS... J/K

Liggy said:
must be the mac can't handle the power of MS... J/K

lame.

yash said:
not running any antivirus, not running any firewall or antispyware software, not having to go through maintenence every month, no defragmentation, and everything just works on the OSX side.

I have been running Windows Vista since novembar 30 2006 without any installation, antivirus or antispyware. Just ad muncher.

You Mac comes with a Firewall

You Mac HD also defragments. Try running a session of iDefrag

@yash,
Hey, c'mon. It was just a joke.

@harmads,
Look, the only thing you have to decide is whether you have the budget or not. If you have Rs. 55,000, you can go for a MacBook or iMac. If you have about Rs. 80,000, you can go for a 15" MacBook Pro. If you have about Rs. 1.4 lac, you can go for a 17" MacBook Pro and if you have about Rs. 2 lac, you can buy a Mac Pro.

Reasons not to buy a Mac:
Laptops - Heat. No other issues.
iMac - Non upgradeable. No other issues.

Reasons to buy a Mac:
Mac OS X - You'll fall in love with it. No viruses, crashes, extremely stable and has hordes of extremely well programmed applications. Can run most Windows and Linux applications as well.
Can run all operating systems, including Windows Vista and XP and all flavours of Linux.
Beauty, style, class, awesome aesthetics and build quality.
World class support. (Rated no. 1 by The Consumerist magazine.)
MagSafe Power adapter, backlit keyboard, best trackpad in the business, light and motion sensors.

The main reason, of course, still remains Mac OS X. There are four Mac users on this forum - goobimama, akuCRACKER, yash and me. All four of us are extremely satisfied with our decision to switch, have never regretted it and plan to stay with Apple forever. Mac OS X is just too good.

"Once you go Mac, you never go back."

Buy the July issue of the Digit magazine and read the Fast Track to Apple. Read the disadvantages and the advantages. Then make your decision.

Do not be influenced by what the world says. Let your brother or your uncle who is an IT engineer say whatever they want. They have never used a Mac. You may have a friend who everyone says is good at computers and technology. He isn't. He is good at Windows. In India, people buy things based on other people's recommendations, others who themselves have very little idea. Don't make that mistake. People on this forum itself advised me not to switch to a Mac. In retrospect and with the benefit of hindsight, I can assuredly tell you that the best decision I ever made was not listening to them.

(BTW, I, along with goobimama and mail2and, wrote that book. So if you have any queries, feel free to ask me. You may also contact me on AIM or via PM.)

aryayush said:
THe main reason, of course, still remains Mac OS X. There are four Mac users on this forum abuCRACKER,

"Once you go Mac, you never go back."

Once you go Mac, you don't have the money to go back

@harmads

Contact Arya , Goobi or Sr Ultimate. I strongly recommend these guys as they all USE Mac. They will be able to tell you more about it.

aryayush said:
(BTW, I, along with goobimama and mail2and, wrote that book. So if you have any queries, feel free to ask me. You may also contact me on AIM or via PM.)

WOW, man I never knew that. Thats pretty cool. Congrats to all of you. That is really great. Much appreciated as it will help a lot of people.

Thank you!

The appreciation makes it worth the effort (though the pay doesn't hurt either!

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isnt mac mini never come upon his budget range?

i think though it is just a cpu it is below 40K.

Thats nice to hear about arya, goobi and mail2and. Well done guys !

I think you can even run OS X on Wintel system. If i m not wrong both gx_saurav and iMav are doing that.
Even if i had too much money I would buy a top class Windows desktop/laptop.
Ofcourse Macs are good too minus the games and varied softwares. Plus u get a special status in the society (thats what 'others' think; I don't ! ).
so if u are not into gaming and do basic stuff on computers then buy a MAC.

blueshift said:
do basic stuff on computers then buy a MAC.

some of the most advanced and versatile tools have been developed 4 d MAC platform, for vdo editing and post production [even production] which r used by sum of d biggest movie studios on dis planet to bring to us this fabulous utopian fantasy v cal movies

basic stuff eh!!!
u made mac sound like a 486

slugger said:
some of the most advanced and versatile tools have been developed 4 d MAC platform, for vdo editing and post production [even production] which r used by sum of d biggest movie studios on dis planet to bring to us this fabulous utopian fantasy v cal movies

Some of the most advanced scientific applications are made on UNIX

Some of the most advanced forensic apps are made on Windows.

Some of the most good looking apps are made on Mac.

The only good Video editing tool available on Mac is Apple's own FCP or Shake or Motion. On Windows, the user can use whatever he wants, Adobe Premiere, After effect, Coumbustion, Toxic, Flint, Fire, whatever he wants.

blueshift said:
Thats nice to hear about arya, goobi and mail2and. Well done guys !

Thank you!

You are absolutely wrong, by the way. This statement just has no truth to it at all: "if u are not into gaming and do basic stuff on computers then buy a MAC"
Gaming, I give you because you have to install Windows to do that.
But basic stuff? A Mac is only good for basic stuff! Who gave you that idea? A Mac can do everything a Windows machine can and looks good while doing it.

For example, I play HD movies on it without any issues. I use Adobe Creative Suite 3 and I could use Final Cut Pro for HD video editing and compositing if I wanted to. C'mon! Macs can do everything excluding games. They can do gaming too but the choice of native Mac games is pitiful so you will need to install Windows for gaming.

About running Mac OS X on Wintel - well, you can see how well iMav and gx_saurav are faring. And it wasn't an easy task installing it. gx_saurav himself said that he has installed the OS seven times. It is, of course, also illegal. Clearly, that is not the best way to go and is the worst way to gain the Mac experience.
A far better alternative is to go to any Apple Premium Reseller and use the machines for as long as you wish to.

praka123 said:
isnt mac mini never come upon his budget range? i think though it is just a cpu it is below 40K.

No, it is everything except the display, keyboard and mouse. I did not recommend it because, IMHO, it is far too underpowered and does not provide the ideal Mac experience. It is more suited to an established Mac user who wants a cheap Mac for some specific purpose. The price is 35K.

gx_saurav said:
The only good Video editing tool available on Mac is Apple's own FCP or Shake or Motion. On Windows, the user can use whatever he wants, Adobe Premiere, After effect, Coumbustion, Toxic, Flint, Fire, whatever he wants.

But only Avid is a match for FCP when it comes to features. But FCP has a far better user interface.

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Thankyou friends !! for very useful inputs...changeover is like a lifestyle change and may take long to do...

Aryayush.. please tell me what do you miss on Mac that you were able to do in Windows.. I am into a lot of Online Stock Trading/Investing, Excel work, Word, Adobe Photoshop, Music. Will I be able to continue doing all these seamlessly ?? My main issues with Windows are Viruses, Spyware, Ads, system hanging...etc etc..

Thanks

aryayush said:
A Mac can do everything a Windows machine can and looks good while doing it.

For example, I play HD movies on it without any issues. I use Adobe Creative Suite 3 and I could use Final Cut Pro for HD video editing and compositing if I wanted to.

Windows i already doing all this with better hardware compatibility & more choices & customisation option. Why buy a Mac then when you can even run it they way u like.

About running Mac OS X on Wintel - well, you can see how well iMav and gx_saurav are faring. And it wasn't an easy task installing it. gx_saurav himself said that he has installed the OS seven times.

Since now I know, I told to a few other members in this forum & all are using it properly on 1st install itself

But only Avid is a match for FCP when it comes to features. But FCP has a far better user interface.

Again, you have no idea & have never used any things other then FCP i guess. You have no idea what u r talking about, You have no idea what Direct to RAM encoding is in Adobe Premiere Pro, or What layer based editing in After effect is , or what direct 3d surface manipulation & editing in combustion is.

The only thing you care for is the UI. Newsflash arya, a good UI is useless without a solid back end, something u don't care for.

please tell me what do you miss on Mac that you were able to do in Windows.. I am into a lot of Online Stock Trading/Investing, Excel work, Word, Adobe Photoshop, Music. Will I be able to continue doing all these seamlessly .

Gaming, upgrading the hardware, customization of the OS, better hardware compatibility is what u will miss on Mac.

Online trading etc you can do on Mac too, unless the website is IE only. In Windows you can use IE, Firefox, Opera, Safari all of them. In Mac there is no IE.

Excel, Word are also there for Mac OS

Photoshop is there too

for Music, you can only play mp3 & mp4 out of the box. You cannot play WMA at all, unless you have Windows Media Player 9 for Mac installed, that too not guaranteed.

You cannot play VCD

You cannot Mount or burn multisession DVD

Mac OS X Finder has no cut option for files

Dock will not group similar windows minimised.

Check those threads mentioned above, you will come know what u will miss in Mac.

?? My main issues with Windows are Viruses, Spyware, Ads, system hanging...etc etc.

Upgrade to Windows Vista & use ad muncher, thats it.

btwn a news mac boys(and aspirants) will like:
Apple Mac Sales Grow Faster Than Windows PCs In Consumer Market
*www.informationweek.com/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=200000146
when leopard will be released -more market share!

harmads said:
Aryayush.. please tell me what do you miss on Mac that you were able to do in Windows.. I am into a lot of Online Stock Trading/Investing, Excel work, Word, Adobe Photoshop, Music. Will I be able to continue doing all these seamlessly ?? My main issues with Windows are Viruses, Spyware, Ads, system hanging...etc etc..

Nothing. I miss nothing. And neither will you.

Online Stock Trading/Investing - If it is something related to the Internet, you can obviously do it on both Mac and Windows. The added advantage a Mac gives you is that you don't have to worry about any sort of malware - viruses, spyware, adware, etc.

Excel, Word, PowerPoint - Microsoft Office for Mac lets you do everything you can do on Microsoft Office for Windows. There is also Apple's iWork suite which is compatible with Office formats but it does not have a spreadsheet application.

Adobe Photoshop - You have the whole Adobe Creative Suite 3 for Mac too with the exact same set of features.

Music - Of course. iTunes will let you do what you want. All Macs also come with Front Row and a remote control, which is basically a simplified version of Windows Media Centre.

Like I've said previous, Mac OS X does not suffer from the malware issue. I've been using it for a year straight without any security software installed and it has never contracted a virus. Of course it hasn't, because there isn't even a single virus for Mac OS X in the wild. Read the page on security in the Fast Track. I think I've done a reasonably good job of explaining Mac OS X's security.

Experienced Mac users tell me that when a Mac crashes, it has some good effect for showing it too. Sounds cool but I haven't seen it yet in a year of usage. In other words, Mac OS X is extremely stable and almost never crashes. It also never slows down, something I deeply appreciate. My Mac, a MacBook Pro, has been continuously on for 164 days now and it is working as if I've just booted into it right now. Believe me, the speed and responsiveness is simply mind blowing. You never need to shut down a Mac.

Like I said before, there is only one problem with Macs. Desktop Macs, apart from the Mac Pro, do not offer any option of upgrading the hardware (apart from the RAM and hard disk) and Mac laptops heat up a little more than normal. But the heating is not really a very serious issue. If I had to spend another 1.5 lac on a notebook today, it would undoubtedly be a MacBook Pro.

BTW, avoid anything gx_saurav or iMav say. They've never even used Macs.

And Mac OS X plays VCDs and DVDs out of the box without any issues. It also reads multi-session DVDs fine enough.

But yes, the Finder does not allow you to cut files with the keyboard. You can do it with the mouse though. It is such a tiny issue that I would be highly surprised if someone chose not to buy a Mac because of this.

Mac OS X runs the IE browser just fine but you won't need to because you can also run Opera for Mac and set it to mask itself as Internet Explorer. I access the DataOne portal that way.

hey common man arya.. we all know by the thousand threads on MAC and windows that what MAC can do and what windows.. so just leave the idea that mac is in anyway better then windows.. GX has unbinded the truth behind MAC.. i think you always forget threads you start on your OWN..

Mac OS X also has a whole bunch of browsers to choose from - Safari (the best one), OmniWeb, Shiira, Firefox, Camino and Opera. These are the prominent ones.

Yeah, I forgot this person. Don't listen to shantanu either, who is an employee of Microsoft.

Excuse me dude.. who are you to decide that who should listen to whom..why do i always feel that you start burning as soon as i post anything.. i am smeeling something.. oh and i just read that you are the proud author of fast track to Apple... so guys dont listen to arya as he is... (well i dont want to say this) coz i aint burning... hey buddy! its just some OS and you are Burning you blood and reducing your haemoglobin for that,, too bad..

aryayush said:
BTW, avoid anything gx_saurav or iMav say. They've never even used Macs.

Correction : gxsaurav is using Mac long before u even came to know about it.

And Mac OS X plays VCDs and DVDs out of the box without any issues.

You need to install 3rd party VLC player to play VCD.

It also reads multi-session DVDs fine enough.

It doesn't mounts multisession DVDs (checked on a real Mac) neither it allows you to burn a Multisession DVD

But yes, the Finder does not allow you to cut files with the keyboard. You can do it with the mouse though.

There is no cut option in the Edit Window of finder

Mac OS X runs the IE browser just fine

Mac OS X tiger has no Internet Explorer 6/7

aryayush said:
Mac OS X also has a whole bunch of browsers to choose from - Safari (the best one), OmniWeb, Shiira, Firefox, Camino and Opera. These are the prominent ones.

Safari, OmniWeb, Shirra = Webkit engine of Apple

Firefox, Camino = Gecko engine of Mozilla. Camino cannot use Firefox extension

Opear = There own engine.

IE = not available.

Yeah, I forgot this person. Don't listen to shantanu either, who is an employee of Microsoft.

What a logic

. You really are on crack today

I told you this before and this is exactly what happened:

aryayush said:
Do not be influenced by what the world says. Let your brother or your uncle who is an IT engineer say whatever they want. They have never used a Mac. You may have a friend who everyone says is good at computers and technology. He isn't. He is good at Windows. In India, people buy things based on other people's recommendations, others who themselves have very little idea. Don't make that mistake. People on this forum itself advised me not to switch to a Mac. In retrospect and with the benefit of hindsight, I can assuredly tell you that the best decision I ever made was not listening to them.

Don't listen to them. Don't listen to me. Make your own decision. That way, if you regret your purchase later, you won't hold it against anyone.

For me, the decision is quite straightforward. Do I want to try Mac OS X? Yes. Do I want to make sure I can run Windows in case something goes wrong and I don't quite like Mac OS X? Yes. Is there a machine that lets me do this? Yes, indeed. Of course, once you purchase it you'll realise that all your inhibitions about Mac OS X no longer hold true and you will definitely prefer it to Windows any given day. "Once you go Mac, you never go back." Choose wisely (and feel free to voice your doubts).

All Macs also come with Front Row and a remote control, which is basically a simplified version of Windows Media Centre.

Mac has very bad TV Tuner support & no out of the box support for any TV tuner.

aryayush said:
I told you this before and this is exactly what happened:

Don't listen to them. Don't listen to me. Make your own decision. That way, if you regret your purchase later, you won't hold it against anyone.

3rd party advice is always good. Learn from the experience of me & Mistakes of Arya about Mac OS X

gx_saurav said:
Correction : gxsaurav is using Mac long before u even came to know about it.

Yeah, sure! You can fool this newcomer, not me.

gx_saurav said:
You need to install 3rd party VLC player to play VCD.

QuickTime Player plays them fine enough, right out of the box.

gx_saurav said:
It doesn't mounts multisession DVDs (checked on a real Mac) neither it allows you to burn a Multisession DVD

You yourself suggested the application that allows you to burn multisession DVDs on a Mac and it reads them just fine. I own a real Mac and am therefore in a better position to comment on this than you are.

gx_saurav said:
There is no cut option in the Edit Window of finder

There is but it is disabled. This proves how much you know about Mac OS X.
You can how ever move files from one folder to the other with the mouse.

@threadstarter,
When you move a file over a folder in Mac OS X, the folder springs open automatically and you can move further into the hierarchy. So dragging and dropping stuff around comes naturally to a Mac user, because it is fully supported.

gx_saurav said:
Mac OS X tiger has no Internet Explorer 6/7

Does Vista ship with Safari by default? No, it does not. Same here.
But you can install both the Mac version and the Windows version of Internet Explorer on Mac OS X.

gx_saurav said:
Safari, OmniWeb, Shirra = Webkit engine of Apple

The scorching fast Webkit engine of Apple. So, your point is?

gx_saurav said:
Firefox, Camino = Gecko engine of Mozilla. Camino cannot use Firefox extension

But had a native, much better user interface. And there is Firefox for those who want the extensions. Again, the point is?

gx_saurav said:
Opear = There own engine.

You knew this was coming by now. What is the bloody point of mentioning this!!

gx_saurav said:
IE = not available.

It is.

Oh, and if someone switches to a Mac and insists on using Internet Explorer as a regular browser, I can only describe that person as stupid, no matter who he/she is.

aryayush said:
Yeah, sure! You can fool this newcomer, not me.

Ask your mentor & other senior members.

You yourself suggested the application that allows you to burn multisession DVDs on a Mac

3rd party app.

and it reads them just fine. I own a real Mac and am therefore in a better position to comment on this than you are.

I am sending u my Heroes DVD burned using Nero 7 lite edition. If you can read that let me know. It doesn't work on a real Mac here & shows the first sesstion only.

There is but it is disabled.

You need to learn the meaning of words first & how they are being said.

But you can install both the Mac version and the Windows version of Internet Explorer on Mac OS X.

You can only Install Internet Explorer 5 on Mac OS X.

You cannot install IE 7 of Windows Vista/XP on Mac. Crossover doesn't work with it.

The scorching fast Webkit engine of Apple.

Questionable, according to apple only they are fast.

I should have made it more specific. Internet Explorer 7 is not available for Mac OS X. Only IE 5 is available which doesn't support the latest in web technologies such as AJAX

Like I said, "if someone switches to a Mac and insists on using Internet Explorer as a regular browser, I can only describe that person as stupid, no matter who he/she is."

gx_saurav said:
IE = not available.

What is IEs4Linux?

IEs4Linux is the simpler way to have Microsoft Internet Explorer running on Linux (or any OS running Wine).
No clicks needed. No boring setup processes. No Wine complications. Just one easy script and you'll get three IE versions to test your Sites. And it's free and open source.

*www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page

Does IEs 4 Linux Work with Mac OSX

Yes, it's possible with Intel-based Macs running OSX 10.4+
There are several steps you need to take in order to get WINE working prior to installing ies4linux.
Requirements:
fink
fink install wine
darwinports
port install cabextract #you need version 1.2 for locale support (fink's is older)
port install wget

Make sure your path to cabextract is using the /opt/local/bin path if you installed the fink version first (/sw/bin).
export PATH="$PATH:/opt/local/bin:/sw/bin";
You also will need X11.app (from the Mac OSX CD) installed to run WINE via X11. From what I could tell, the ONLY way to get X11.app is off the CD -- I could not find it on apple.com anywhere.
Once WINE is installed, the standard instructions for installing ies4linux should work. In order to start the ie6 binary, first startup an X11 session which will open a terminal, then just run the command (ie: ~/bin/ie6).
I have not tested with IE7 yet, as I could not find the beta page referenced in the FAQ.
From my understanding WINE will not run on PPC platforms, only intel-based chips, although you might have success with darwine for PPC.

*www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Does_IEs_4_Linux_Work_with_Mac_OSX

@harmads

Till date, you compared two products according to the hardware they had. You would take one notebook from HP and the other from Dell and then choose the one that gave you better hardware at a lower cost. The reason: Both run Windows XP or Vista and only the hardware is different.

However, you cannot use the same sort of judgement when comparing a Mac with a PC. Both run different operating systems. Macs also come with iLife and Comic Life installed, software that you would have to pay for if you bought them with a PC. You are also spared the cost of buying Norton, McAfee, ZoneAlarm or AVG products and have them running all the time, eating away at your system resources. You don't have to buy additional software to syncronise your phone, mount disc images, have a capable dictionary, font management application, read and edit Microsoft Word documents, create encrypted disc images, manage passwords and bank numbers, etc. Everything is there by default, built right into the operating system. The system also does not come loaded with bloatware, train software that does not serve any purpose and just slows the system down to a crawl. The first thing you'll have to do when you buy a new notebook is reinstall the operating system. Not on a Mac.

And can you put a specific price to events such as losing your documents, photos and videos due to nasty malware. Isn't it better to hop onto the Mac bandwagon and live a carefree life? You can actually take CDs from your friends that have viruses on them and insert them into your Mac. Copy the useful stuff and throw out the CD. Viruses do not affect Macs even if you try to get it infected.

Think logically. Don't just compare the hardware specifications. The software is what you will actively use. Since it is a Mac you are buying, from a company that symbolises the integration of hardware and software, you can be sure that your software will work without any problems on that hardware. It is very deeply integrated with and optimised for the hardware.

Get a Mac.

blueshift said:
Thats nice to hear about arya, goobi and mail2and. Well done guys !

I think you can even run OS X on Wintel system. If i m not wrong both gx_saurav and iMav are doing that.
Even if i had too much money I would buy a top class Windows desktop/laptop.
Ofcourse Macs are good too minus the games and varied softwares. Plus u get a special status in the society (thats what 'others' think; I don't ! ).
so if u are not into gaming and do basic stuff on computers then buy a MAC.

Hey , i was the one who did that First

Ofcourse at the nearest Authorised Apple Reseller

Yeah, (dis)credit for that goes entirely to Zeeshan Quireshi.

aryayush said:
Macs also come with iLife and Comic Life installed, software that you would have to pay for if you bought them with a PC

You are also spared the cost of buying Norton, McAfee, ZoneAlarm or AVG products and have them running all the time, eating away at your system resources.

With Vista, this is usually not the case. Default is secure enough, & you can use various free applications if u want to secure.

You don't have to buy additional software to syncronise your phone,

All phone syncing software such as Nokia PC Suite or SE PC Suite or MyPhoneExplorer are free.

mount disc images,

Daemon Tools is free

font management

Various free font viewers

read and edit Microsoft Word documents,

You cannot do that on a Mac or PC without MS office.

create encrypted disc images,

Bitlocker drive encryption, InfraRecorder

manage passwords and bank numbers,

Keypass, Free.

Everything is there by default, built right into the operating system.

If something is not there which u want, it must be available for free.

The system also does not come loaded with bloatware, train software that does not serve any purpose and just slows the system down to a crawl.

You can always ask the OEM technician to remove them

The first thing you'll have to do when you buy a new notebook is reinstall the operating system.

Not necessarly required.

And can you put a specific price to events such as losing your documents, photos and videos due to nasty malware.

No malware deletes something.

Isn't it better to hop onto the Mac bandwagon and live a carefree life?

Hardware incompability, lack of the software U want.

arya said:
Get a Mac.

Dikha di na salesman ship

Arya, stop spreading lies

aryayush said:
Yeah, (dis)credit for that goes entirely to Zeeshan Quireshi.

can poudly Advertise that

gx_saurav said:
With Vista, this is usually not the case. Default is secure enough, & you can use various free applications if u want to secure.

All phone syncing software such as Nokia PC Suite or SE PC Suite or MyPhoneExplorer are free.

Daemon Tools is free

Various free font viewers

You cannot do that on a Mac or PC without MS office.

Bitlocker drive encryption, InfraRecorder

Keypass, Free.

If something is not there which u want, it must be available for free.

This is what OS X prevents you from. You get most of whatever you need by default.

gx_saurav said:
All phone syncing software such as Nokia PC Suite or SE PC Suite or MyPhoneExplorer are free.

But they don't do the best job, do they? For example, Nokia PC suite does not syncronise with Windows Contacts.
Plus, you need a different suite for different phones. And it is nowhere near as convenient as clicking on a button in the menu bar and hitting 'Sync'.

gx_saurav said:
You cannot do that on a Mac or PC without MS office.

This from a person who claims to have been using Macs a long time before I'd even known about them. LOL! :lol:

TextEdit can read, edit and save Word documents.

gx_saurav said:
You can always ask the OEM technician to remove them

Yeah, sure. Why should you have to!
And this is pure lying anyway. My brother did ask him to remove them and they showed him the 'Control Panel' icon in the Start menu and told him to go to it, then remove the applications from the 'Add/Remove applications'. And there were 64 pre-installed items.
Even re-installing Windows is not easy because they do not give you any CD/DVDs but that restore partition. And making discs out of that partition is no easy job. My brother (who is elder to me) wasn't able to do it himself and I had to do it for him. (This is what I hate. Even after buying a Mac, I can never rid myself of Windows.)

gx_saurav said:
Not necessarly required.

Oh really! I hadn't even told him to do it. He insisted. "Kya kachra hai ye sab! Apne ko PowerDVD kyon chahiye? Windows Media Player mein DVD nahin chalta hai kya? Tu please reinstall kar de na."
And this from a person who is not very tech savvy. People like me, who have some idea about computers and stuff, would always make sure they reinstall Windows when they buy an OEM computer.

Only recently another one of my brothers, who is not very tech savvy even though he's in BIT, Mesra, bought a new HP laptop. Same story, only this one had Vista.

gx_saurav said:
No malware deletes something.

Oh, really? I won't even comment on this one. I guess malware just sets your computer to play Hanumaan Chaalisa every time you boot into it. :lol:

aryayush said:
TextEdit can read, edit and save Word documents.

Nope, only the text part, & TextEdit screws the layout & formatting.

Even re-installing Windows is not easy because they do not give you any CD/DVDs but that restore partition

You can always ask the OEM for a CD/DVD of the OS.

And making discs out of that partition is no easy job

fU***...how lame & ignorent can u get

. Its so simple with nero or Roxia (usual OEM bundles)

Oh really! I hadn't even told him to do it. He insisted. "Kya kachra hai ye sab! Apne ko PowerDVD kyon chahiye? Windows Media Player mein DVD nahin chalta hai kya? Tu please reinstall kar de na."
And this from a person who is not very tech savvy. People like me, who have some idea about computers and stuff, would always make sure they reinstall Windows when they buy an OEM computer.

Actually it is the exect opposite. Did you tried playing a DVD in Windows Media player, even with powerDVD installed? or were u using Windows XP which u r comparing to tiger here.

Oh, really? I won't even comment on this one. I guess malware just sets your computer to play Hanumaan Chaalisa every time you boot into it.

Do you know what malware does?

gx_saurav said:
Actually it is the exect opposite. Did you tried playing a DVD in Windows Media player, even with powerDVD installed? or were u using Windows XP which u r comparing to tiger here.

Are you trying to tell me that Windows Media Player does not play DVDs? Because I am sure as Hell it does. I've never used any third party software on Windows (or Mac) to play DVDs and I used Windows for five years. WMP plays them just fine (finer, at present, than even DVD player, if I may say so).

aryayush said:
Are you trying to tell me that Windows Media Player does not play DVDs? Because I am sure as Hell it does. I've never used any third party software on Windows (or Mac) to play DVDs and I used Windows for five years. WMP plays them just fine (finer, at present, than even DVD player, if I may say so).

Windows Media Player on Windows XP will not play DVDs without a 3rd party codec due to old license restrictions. If you have powerDVD installed it will use the PowerDVD decoders to play the DVD cos powerdvd decoders are Directshow based.

On Windows Vista, no such problem. The DVD decoder is integrated.

Plz continue such discussion in Fight club section in the official thread.

L

yash said:
lame.

this thread is lame, I seen so many post b4 with the exact issue... dude can't even make a joke, ohh sooo sorry...

aryayush said:
(BTW, I, along with goobimama and mail2and, wrote that book. So if you have any queries, feel free to ask me. You may also contact me on AIM or via PM.)

Thank you!

The appreciation makes it worth the effort (though the pay doesn't hurt either! ).

Congratulations to u and the others who hav done it.... it clearly shows the hard work gone in it. sounds great to me and even windows faithful users should do something like this... instead of just wastin time in barkin and fightin for it, they should learn from this....... Atleast this fast track will make the ppl realise wat mac has for them.

and arya plz tell me how much they paid individually for preparin fast track, plz dont mind... u can PM me...

mac needs a fast track and salesman ... windows doesnt

Digit already published a Fast track to Windows Vista but forgot to mention to many things & how Vista can bring world peace, make cheeze buger, bake cookies...cure cancer etc

It would be better if digit can publish some articles in Magzine which many users have posted here, such as my iTunes vs WMP or Explorer vs Finder or iMav's Windows Live services review or goobi's Photoshop tutorials or arya...............wait, what has arya done?

gx_saurav said:
arya...............wait, what has arya done?

i can see saurav gettin jealous of arya now.

Arya:

1) Fast track = Copy pasted articles from net

2) Mac uses EFI

3) PC use iSigit

4) PC cannot boot from USB drives.

vish786 said:
Congratulations to u and the others who hav done it.... it clearly shows the hard work gone in it. sounds great to me and even windows faithful users should do something like this... instead of just wastin time in barkin and fightin for it, they should learn from this....... Atleast this fast track will make the ppl realise wat mac has for them.

and arya plz tell me how much they paid individually for preparin fast track, plz dont mind... u can PM me...

<expectin u to reply abt the pay>

They haven't paid us yet. Mr. Deepak told me that we will be paid within forty five days from the date of publication.

We don't know how much we are going to be paid. (It better be a respectable amount. I wrote three chapters but messed up the one on Mac OS X. Then I rewrote that entire chapter. Then they gave me one more chapter, 'The Switcher's Guide' and I was given two days to complete it in, which I did. We also had to give all the screenshots ourselves - which is why you can see my nickname on page 93

- and I wrote 120 pages overall.) It was a daunting task, but one which I enjoyed immensely and would gladly be willing to do again.

For the history chapter, I took help from apple-history.com, iCon Steve Jobs, The Apple Way and of course, Google. The words are mine, the knowledge is not. The rest of the chapters are completely from my tiny little brain, which is why they are the ones that have a lot of stuff missing. For 'The Switcher's Guide' I did lift some portions directly from the Help Viewer on Mac OS X because there was no way to rephrase them (like the table listing the Windows terminology and the Mac equivalents).

Thank you for the generous praise, by the way! In the words of J.K. Rowling, "That makes me sound a lot cooler than I was."

aryayush said:
Thank you for the generous praise, by the way! In the words of J.K. Rowling, "That makes me sound a lot cooler than I was."

I am sure that you have written better than Rowling coz OOTP gave me headache while reading, that was so badly written that i wish i could stab harry in chest before Voldemort does.

aryayush said:
They haven't paid us yet. Mr. Deepak told me that we will be paid within forty five days from the date of publication.

We don't know how much we are going to be paid. (It better be a respectable amount. I wrote three chapters but messed up the one on Mac OS X. Then I rewrote that entire chapter. Then they gave me one more chapter, 'The Switcher's Guide' and I was given two days to complete it in, which I did. We also had to give all the screenshots ourselves - which is why you can see my nickname on page 93 - and I wrote 120 pages overall.) It was a daunting task, but one which I enjoyed immensely and would gladly be willing to do again.

For the history chapter, I took help from apple-history.com, iCon Steve Jobs, The Apple Way and of course, Google. The words are mine, the knowledge is not. The rest of the chapters are completely from my tiny little brain, which is why they are the ones that have a lot of stuff missing. For 'The Switcher's Guide' I did lift some portions directly from the Help Viewer on Mac OS X because there was no way to rephrase them (like the table listing the Windows terminology and the Mac equivalents).

Thank you for the generous praise, by the way! In the words of J.K. Rowling, "That makes me sound a lot cooler than I was."

but dont forget to PM the amount u guys get... okay.

tarey_g said:
I am sure that you have written better than Rowling coz OOTP gave me headache while reading, that was so badly written that i wish i could stab harry in chest before Voldemort does.

0_0 wait, what's evrybody talking about again?

aryayush has co-authored the fast track to mac which is a supplementary magazine withdigit

tarey_g said:
I am sure that you have written better than Rowling coz OOTP gave me headache while reading, that was so badly written that i wish i could stab harry in chest before Voldemort does.

Yeah, OoTP wasn't one of my favourite books either. That quote, as I am sure you know, is from Deathly Hallows though.

vish786 said:
but dont forget to PM the amount u guys get... okay.

Sure.

aryayush said:
Yeah, OoTP wasn't one of my favourite books either. That quote, as I am sure you know, is from Deathly Hallows though.

I don't have courage to read any of Rowling's books after OOTP, so have not read HBP or DH yet. Enuf headache' already .