Mobile(Android) under 24k

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Was seeing xperia zl 23.9k at indiatimes but it went out of stock when I went to order :-x

(Any coupon code or time to wait for its price to come down on snapdeal or at others)
Can any one here comment on battery life and camera of Nexus 4( on kitkat ) ..(Reviews are not so true about battery)
If u have any other mobile in mind (not s3 please) please share..
Thanks

LG Optimus G

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sushovan said:
LG Optimus G

its 27k dude i cannot spend a penny above 24k

Get Xperia ZL @ 24k from here with manufacturer warranty. You can trust eBay, don't worry........
Sony Xperia ZL Mobile Phone - DOW | eBay

I think ZL would be a better choice than ZL as:
- Approx same size as N4 in terms of dimensions(a bit smaller in length but a bit more wide than N4) but packs a 5" screen, that too 1080p(Screen quality is better too)
- Same specs as N4, would get KK soon. Will get 4.3 this month. There are no major changes in 4.3 & 4.4.
- Expandable storage
- Better battery life(expect an hour more screen on time than N4)
- Better front & rear camera

I am having a better version of the so called nexus 4 . A more refined @optimus g at&t.
As being a OG user , I would say that camera of Nexus 4/OG is quite average.
Have no expectation from the camera at all. It only manages to snap acceptable pics , not remarkable or good ones.

As far as battery is concerned , it packs a better technology but on one full charge , it only manages a full day with 2hrs of call , 3-4hrs music playback , 30-40mins of browsing , 30-40mins video playback , 25-30mins of gaming.

^ I doubt OP will prefer Phones without Warranty.

sushovan said:
^ I doubt OP will prefer Phones without Warranty.

Nope , I didn't intend to suggest him the E970. I was just giving him a rough idea about how Nexus 4's battery and camera are , since I have something similar to it , but it's just that it's a bit more refined.

PS : I wouldn't suggest Nexus 4 to OP . It has limited memory , and no support for direct USB OTG , along with poor camera and highly vulnerable design. Only reason to get a N4 would be for timely updates and raw power.
But if OP can afford a phone w/o Indian warranty then Optimus G AT&T is a times better and unbeatable choice . One can get a new OGE970 at less than 20k in Ebay.

N4's battry will rock only on custom kernel[Specially on Hells Core

].. on stock kinda avg... Cam is avg...
Get ZR... :-D

You van get ZR & ZL with warranty from eBay, which are the two best phones for the price but ZL is better, it just doesn't have waterproofing

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Will buy Zl gathering some extra money for acessories

^ but ZL battery is not good instead get ZR..

but ZR is 4.5 inch 720p screen where ZL is 5 inch 1080p screen ...

sujoyp said:
but ZR is 4.5 inch 720p screen where ZL is 5 inch 1080p screen ...

yeah but battery life also matters... anyways both ZR & ZL screens are TFT panels with low contrast & bad viewing angles. Sony just started using IPS panels [Z1 mini] good move.

And 720 p vs 1080p n simply can't spot that much difference on a mobile screen. so it's just marketing term.. hype..

1080p resolution screen over 720p , only causes more battery consumption and need for higher processing package for the sake of barely noticeable extra clarity that you probably don't need.
As long as the pixel density is greater than 300ppi , and it's not a pentile matrix display, it should be fine.

If you don't get this generalization and still feel that 1080p is a necessity , then consider those upcoming phones with 2k displays . (Samsung Galaxy S5 it is , right ? ).

Manufacturers are basically trying to outweigh each other , in the hardware race. It's not bad , but the hardware has reached it's limit to the point where it really doesn't matter.
They should spend more on optimization rather than brute-forcing the hardware demand. Maybe this is evolving slowly.

RohanM said:
yeah but battery life also matters... anyways both ZR & ZL screens are TFT panels with low contrast & bad viewing angles. Sony just started using IPS panels [Z1 mini] good move.

And 720 p vs 1080p n simply can't spot that much difference on a mobile screen. so it's just marketing term.. hype..

I've not seen ZR or ZL but Xperia Z has noticably better screen than Nexus 4........so its good. Also in reviews its given that ZR doesn't have so great 720p screen(Optimus G has better one, talking about international version)

But ZR has a great battery life compared to ZL(which would give 6hr max of screen on time, if used in somewhat low brightness)
Overall its your choice......... bigger, better screen or water proof phone with great battery life

anupam_pb said:
I've not seen ZR or ZL but Xperia Z has noticably better screen than Nexus 4........so its good. Also in reviews its given that ZR doesn't have so great 720p screen(Optimus G has better one, talking about international version)

But ZR has a great battery life compared to ZL(which would give 6hr max of screen on time, if used in somewhat low brightness)
Overall its your choice......... bigger, better screen or water proof phone with great battery life

How's your Nexus 4 display quality after applying the color fix ?? Have you tried the display patch imported from the settings of Optimus G ? I have read people saying that nexus 4's display colors are not calibrated properly.

Rishi. said:
How's your Nexus 4 display quality after applying the color fix ?? Have you tried the display patch imported from the settings of Optimus G ? I have read people saying that nexus 4's display colors are not calibrated properly.

I am using obscenity Amoled rgb settings and colors are super sharp popping and vibrant...

anupam_pb said:
I've not seen ZR or ZL but Xperia Z has noticably better screen than Nexus 4........so its good. Also in reviews its given that ZR doesn't have so great 720p screen(Optimus G has better one, talking about international version)

But ZR has a great battery life compared to ZL(which would give 6hr max of screen on time, if used in somewhat low brightness)
Overall its your choice......... bigger, better screen or water proof phone with great battery life

I have compared my friends Z with our N4 and found better contrast and viewing angles on Nexus 4....

Dear Rohan, kindly go and read the Wikipedia page on TFT.

Thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal display - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TFT is NOT a screen type. All LCDs - TN, VA, IPS ( major LCD panel types) use TFT technology. So ALL LCD panels are TFT LCD panels

ZR and ZL use VA panels.

TN is the lowest quality panel used on low/mid range laptops and low end/3D desktop monitors. TN panels have very poor viewing angles and are the worst panel type among the three.

VA and IPS are on the same level with advantages/disadvantages of their own. VA panels have faster response times, much better native black levels and much higher native contrast but do not have as good viewing angles as IPS

IPS panels have only slightly higher contrast compared to TN panels (1000-2000 range max ) and thus lighter black levels and have slower response time compared to VA. On the upside it has better colors on average and better viewing angles compared to VA.

Sadly when it comes to phones or specifically VA LCD application on Sony Xperia line up, only the disadvantages of VA are seen and none of the advantages.

Yaah battery consumption is more in ZL ....but that doesnt stop anybody from buying N5 or S4 or G2 ....all high end have FHD+5 inch
N5 =2300

G2 5.2 inch=3000
S4 = 2600
ZL = 2370

And viewing angle is 100% personal choice ....I dont want somebody to view my huge 5 inch screen from far off ....I have always thought mobile as personal belonging and its better that only I can view it. ...and its fine on ZL till 45-135 degree ...donno y somebody wants it to view from 170 degree

sujoyp said:
Yaah battery consumption is more in ZL ....but that doesnt stop anybody from buying N5 or S4 or G2 ....all high end have FHD+5 inch
N5 =2300
G2 5.2 inch=3000
S4 = 2600
ZL = 2370

And viewing angle is 100% personal choice ....I dont want somebody to view my huge 5 inch screen from far off ....I have always thought mobile as personal belonging and its better that only I can view it. ...and its fine on ZL till 45-135 degree ...donno y somebody wants it to view from 170 degree

Haha that's true but some people seem fixated on having 170 degree viewing angles on their phones and cribbing about it as if it's THE most important thing to base their decision on :-D

Even though Sony is moving to IPS for majority of its models in 2014, I personally would have preferred limited viewing angles for the same reason you mentioned.

To each their own I guess :wink:

randomuser111 said:
Haha that's true but some people seem fixated on having 170 degree viewing angles on their phones and cribbing about it as if it's THE most important thing to base their decision on

Even though Sony is moving to IPS for majority of its models in 2014, I personally would have preferred limited viewing angles for the same reason you mentioned.

To each their own I guess

I prefer my mobile placed on my desk and do chats in fb and what's app... Without my sr. Notice it.. So viewing angles are most imp for me....

sujoyp said:
Yaah battery consumption is more in ZL ....but that doesnt stop anybody from buying N5 or S4 or G2 ....all high end have FHD+5 inch
N5 =2300
G2 5.2 inch=3000
S4 = 2600
ZL = 2370

And viewing angle is 100% personal choice ....I dont want somebody to view my huge 5 inch screen from far off ....I have always thought mobile as personal belonging and its better that only I can view it. ...and its fine on ZL till 45-135 degree ...donno y somebody wants it to view from 170 degree

Lol don't even compare the ZL with S4 & G2... They both are having superb screens with gr8 battery life.....

I was only talking about Zl vs ZR... Zl not worth that FHD screen if u r losing on battery front... ZR is the perfect at least u r going to get good battery life out of it.

Rishi. said:
How's your Nexus 4 display quality after applying the color fix ?? Have you tried the display patch imported from the settings of Optimus G ? I have read people saying that nexus 4's display colors are not calibrated properly.

RohanM said:
I am using obscenity Amoled rgb settings and colors are super sharp popping and vibrant...

Can u guys give me some link ? I didn't come across anything like that in XDA

Coming to point OP has to decide between ZL & ZR, acc. to his requirements

@Rohan after some research I agree that S4 and G2 have much better battery life in spite of having huge FHD screen

But ZL is not that bad and it have a balance of battery and 5 inch FHD screen

anupam_pb said:
Can u guys give me some link ? I didn't come across anything like that in XDA

On which kernel you are?
Just install faux clock (paid ver) ang in that you can play with gamma settings... My screen is now same as my s 3's Amoled with deep Black's and popping colors.

BTW I am using Hells Core kernel b43... Best for battery and performance... Getting 5 hours SOT...

Here is a small glimpse...

sujoyp said:
@Rohan after some research I agree that S4 and G2 have much better battery life in spite of having huge FHD screen

But ZL is not that bad and it have a balance of battery and 5 inch FHD screen

My offc mate bought ZL last month but was complaining abt heating issue as well as avg battery life.. I played candy crush for just 15-2O mins and it was like oven...He replace the peice but same... So now he bought G2 and now selling the ZL as snapdeal is not ready to refund....
Ohh and viewing angles does matter while playing games if there are more than 2 people like candy crush... Also for watching videos... Other office buddy having ZR and he is not a heavy user so his phone easily last him 2 days....
@OP u should consider ZR. Trust me you will not notice any difference in 1080p vs 720p display...

RohanM said:
On which kernel you are?
Just install faux clock (paid ver) ang in that you can play with gamma settings... My screen is now same as my s 3's Amoled with deep Black's and popping colors.

BTW I am using Hells Core kernel b43... Best for battery and performance... Getting 5 hours SOT...

Using crDroid ROM, which has its own custom kernel(supports all the stuffs needed) which has good battery life...... With browsing net via wifi, & some gaming, i was able to get 3.5hr S.O.T , which I consider as improvement

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RohanM said:
@OP u should consider ZR. Trust me you will not notice any difference in 1080p vs 720p display...

I have ordered nexus 4 online today for 22.1k( since cant find zl even under 25k and for ebay i dont have any credit or debit cads) but today only i found that local dealer is selling zl at 24k. but ZR at 25k (I cant understand why?) In Great dellima now What to do ???? Any Suggestion who would u opt A Nexus with a lot of developer support good hardware, screen and at the same time zl same hardware 1080p screep(viewing angles abit problem but that doesnt matter) better camera. I heard that nexus 4 also heat at gaming.

Puneet247 said:
I have ordered nexus 4 online today for 22.1k( since cant find zl even under 25k and for ebay i dont have any credit or debit cads) but today only i found that local dealer is selling zl at 24k. but ZR at 25k (I cant understand why?) In Great dellima now What to do ???? Any Suggestion who would u opt A Nexus with a lot of developer support good hardware, screen and at the same time zl same hardware 1080p screep(viewing angles abit problem but that doesnt matter) better camera. I heard that nexus 4 also heat at gaming.

Every android phone heats up......... Xperia Z heats up quickly though, same might be case with ZL, while gaming..... As I'm using a case, i don't feel much heat from my phone

No doubt, N4 has great dev support but Xperia ZR has dev support, not so great though
Sony Xperia ZR - xda-developers

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I see that battery life is same on zr and zl on phonearena even if xperia zl has 1080 p why?

RohanM said:
My offc mate bought ZL last month but was complaining abt heating issue as well as avg battery life.. I played candy crush for just 15-2O mins and it was like oven...He replace the peice but same... So now he bought G2 and now selling the ZL as snapdeal is not ready to refund....
Ohh and viewing angles does matter while playing games if there are more than 2 people like candy crush... Also for watching videos... Other office buddy having ZR and he is not a heavy user so his phone easily last him 2 days....
@OP u should consider ZR. Trust me you will not notice any difference in 1080p vs 720p display...

Hahaha i can't stop my laugh at that. You guyz arguing with the guy who hasn't even used the device yet and just saying his views after reading review on sites only or listening from his friends. Personally using this device almost for year now and tell you that if u missed zl for 24k then u missed amazing device for right now. Yes phone heats up but it's not heat up like nexus 4 or even Z and the reason behind that is the backside which made of some grip type material which suck some heat coming from inside. Not like nexus 4 which has glass back which makes it more hot. Even if u read in internet nexus backside break just from heat(don't know if that is rumor). Viewing angle again it's ur personal choice and it's not like you can't see anything at certain angle but it more like whiteash which makes viewing look little bad. Battery is average. With 4.3 update this phone become smooth as butter and battery improved a lot and will improve more with 4.4 update and certain tricks here n there. So it's upto OP. Any more queries about this phone you can ask me.

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kapilove77 said:
Hahaha i can't stop my laugh at that. You guyz arguing with the guy who hasn't even used the device yet and just saying his views after reading review on sites only or listening from his friends. Personally using this device almost for year now and tell you that if u missed zl for 24k then u missed amazing device for right now. Yes phone heats up but it's not heat up like nexus 4 or even Z and the reason behind that is the backside which made of some grip type material which suck some heat coming from inside. Not like nexus 4 which has glass back which makes it more hot. Even if u read in internet nexus backside break just from heat(don't know if that is rumor). Viewing angle again it's ur personal choice and it's not like you can't see anything at certain angle but it more like whiteash which makes viewing look little bad. Battery is average. With 4.3 update this phone become smooth as butter and battery improved a lot and will improve more with 4.4 update and certain tricks here n there. So it's upto OP. Any more queries about this phone you can ask me.

Thank u very much,

Now I can make my choice.

Brought xperia zl Just want to ask if it has a sceen guard beside the plastic cover(looks like sceen protector) at the front.

There is a screen guard free with ZL in the pack just apply that if u want

And congrats

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i know one is free but it still looks like screen guard is present at the front screen i just wanted to be sure

Congrats.

Soooo......

Does it heat like OVEN ?

puneet see that its if its a screenguard or just plastic coat on screen ....I think its just a plastic coat to keep screen new...and not a scratch guard.

@randomuser :rofl:

Congrats Puneet.

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Thanks all of u ur suggestions were very useful for deciding

randomuser111 said:
Congrats.

Soooo......

Does it heat like OVEN ?

It heats not like oven but i think nexus 4 and tegra device also get heated when playing games