Mobile for Mom. Budget Rs. 10 K

Hi,
I want to get my mother a new phone, she is using a old Nokia phone. She can use an android tablet without much problem so I guess she will be able to handle a Android phone too. I am not sure about Windows Phone.

She makes a lot of phone calls, and takes occasional photograph. She also spends lot of time playing games on tablet like bubble shooter etc etc :mrgreen:

So the requirement would be, Good Battery, nice screen, Good camera. Please suggest phone under 10K Only.

Will be buying in First week of June.

1. Budget?
A. [strike]10K (MAX)[/strike] reducing budget to 7K Max, as I see many cheaper phones

2. Display type and size?
A. 4" +

3. Form Factor? bar, slider, flip?
A. Bar

4. Preferred choice of brand?
A. Reputed Brand, good After Sales Service

5. Preferred input method (QWERTY, touchscreen, numpad, touch-n-type).
A. Touch

6. What camera option you want? Please specify need for flash, autofocus, front facing camera.
A. Good camera for occasional snaps. Flash not necessary.

7. Preferred operating system? (Android, Symbian, iOS, Windows Phone etc).
A. Android/Windows Phone

8. Preferred connectivity options (3G, Wifi etc)Please specify clearly.
A. 3G/Wifi.

9. Preferred applications (Flash, Swype, GPS, etc)?
A. Nothing Specific, GPS would be great.

10. Primary use of handset (multimedia, camera, mails, internet, gaming etc)?
A. Phone Calls, Few Games (not heavy ones)

11. Any specific mobile phones in consideration?
A. Moto E currently, but I want to look at all alternates before buying.

12. Any other info that you want to share.
A. Longer Battery Life

+1 to Moto E

Moto E has an absolutely horrible camera. The other choice is Samsung Galaxy S Duos 2 which has a relatively good camera but offers strictly average battery life, your mom may find the TouchWiz UI easier compared to naked Android UI in Moto E.

in Windows options, Nokia 525 is quite good but its battery life is more pathetic than S Duos 2.

Thanks [MENTION=128761]sushovan[/MENTION]

I also read that Moto E camera is really bad, will check others available phones, will check out the other models you have suggested.

If you don't need good camera than nothing beats Moto E. I disagree with statement that TouchWiz UI is easier than stock Android. Lumia 525 is only good option I'd recommend.

If Windows is not a problem, Lumia 525 is a good option. Hardware-wise its very decent & the camera is very good for a 5MP.
MotoE has gr8 specs, but horrible camera.
Lava Iris406Q is also another option.

Any suggestions from LG,Lenovo & Panasonic?

This model looks good and under my budget.
*www.flipkart.com/panasonic-p31/p/i...=b_6&ref=12f239ee-9a95-4fcd-9222-f285adccaef5

Check out those LG phones with Kitkat,Whatever happens avoid samsung crap.
Moto E would be the best bet

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Moto E if camera is not important else increase your budget by 2k get her a Moto G.

Minion said:
Moto E if camera is not important else increase your budget by 2k get her a Moto G.

No I want to buy a mobile within 10K only. I believe there are many other brands which would offer a decent camera within 10K..

Moto G for 11.7k, maybe

pratyush997 said:
Moto G for 11.7k, maybe

Its a CDMA model and works with only reliance.

^ checked on flipkart Moto G supports GSM. that ebay particular one is CDMA though.

RCuber said:
No I want to buy a mobile within 10K only. I believe there are many other brands which would offer a decent camera within 10K..

Then get Lumia 525 or any sub 9k CAMERA + Nokia 1100

Samsung galaxy S Duos 2

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anupam_pb said:
Samsung galaxy S Duos 2

Never!
Moto E for Vanilla Android Experience
Lumia 525 if you want good specs with windows!

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RCuber said:
No I want to buy a mobile within 10K only. I believe there are many other brands which would offer a decent camera within 10K..

Then Lumia 525 is your only option as you need an phone from reputed brand only.

Android: +1 for Moto E, only 7k.
or you can have a look at Sony E1. Same spec as Moto E, but 3.15 MP Camera, 4" 480x800 display and 512MB RAM and a smaller battery. But costs an additional 2k.

Windows: Lumia 525

Guys, I have second thoughts regarding MOTO because of problems in after sales service. my friend broke his Moto G and getting it replaced is a big PITA for him. he is still not able to get his device for repair because they keep saying one thing or the other.

Lumia 525 is a good front runner now, I still have a few days left to finalize on the phone.

Windows is easy to understand OS in my view. So go for Windows

kunalgujarathi said:
Never!
Moto E for Vanilla Android Experience
Lumia 525 if you want good specs with windows!

Read what OP posted in first post, a good camera is required, that's why I suggested S Duos 2 ............ Lumia 525 lacks flash, i guess

Bump, still looking for mobile, is Android One Good enough?

RCuber said:
Bump, still looking for mobile, is Android One Good enough?

nope, go with Asus Zenfone 5/Moto G (2014)/Redmi 1s

^^ im reducing the budget to 7K , we already have one 1S, not interested in buying another one.

First gen Moto G prices have fallen steeply, you might wanna check out Moto G deals. Mediocre battery, a somewhat below average camera and non expandable storage are the cons but at this price point some trade offs are unavoidable. If Indian brands don't bother you take a look at Android One.

RCuber said:
^^ im reducing the budget to 7K , we already have one 1S, not interested in buying another one.

is Redmi 1s that bad?

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RCuber said:
Bump, still looking for mobile, is Android One Good enough?

Yes,Android one is a good option but do not get micromax one.

Karbon sparkle has the best looks among the three. Only issue would be after sales service (for all three)

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Lumia 620,Zenfone 4 or 5,Moto e if you can extend moto e
avoid karbonn,xiaomi etc loads of issues with ASS
avoid android one,get moto e instead of android one

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RCuber said:
^^ im reducing the budget to 7K , we already have one 1S, not interested in buying another one.

You may get Gionee Pioneer P4
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Can you guys give me the reason why not to go for Android one other than ASS. I am not worried about after sales service.

RCuber said:
Can you guys give me the reason why not to go for Android one other than ASS. I am not worried about after sales service.

I can't find any. Further, Mediatek is also sharing their code for developers which strengthens dev support further increasing the life of the devices beyond two years (if they physically last

) .

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What pains me is, so many tech noobs on this forum who hate samsung and have absolutely no explanation as to why.

[MENTION=2132]RCuber[/MENTION] : I gifted my mom an S Duos 2 a year ago.It's a decent allrounder with a good chipset(better than Moto E or zenphone 4) and good battery life.It has an average camera with an LED flash, quality of the shots is ok.

Also, the GPU in it(Video Core 4) is better than the Adreno 305 or the SGX544 MP2 so it would be a companion for those occasional gaming sessions.

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AbhMkh said:
What pains me is, so many tech noobs on this forum who hate samsung and have absolutely no explanation as to why.

[MENTION=2132]RCuber[/MENTION] : I gifted my mom an S Duos 2 a year ago.It's a decent allrounder with a good chipset(better than Moto E or zenphone 4) and good battery life.It has an average camera with an LED flash, quality of the shots is ok.

Also, the GPU in it(Video Core 4) is better than the Adreno 305 or the SGX544 MP2 so it would be a companion for those occasional gaming sessions.

You just cannot compare the experience and build quality with S Duos!
It's Sam***

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RCuber said:
Can you guys give me the reason why not to go for Android one other than ASS. I am not worried about after sales service.

android one oems in India- micromax,spice and karbonn are a joke,they arent good quality and have MTK cpus which lag and have worse battery life than Moto E
so its pointless getting a poorly made android one over a Moto E

Moto E has better quality,feels nice and sturdy
it makes no sense to get android one over a Moto E,even updates are equally fast
i highly suggest you get the Moto E over an android one if you are keen on android
if you dont take my word for it,try seeing it in real

also Moto E comes with Gorilla glass 3
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AbhMkh said:
What pains me is, so many tech noobs on this forum who hate samsung and have absolutely no explanation as to why.

[MENTION=2132]RCuber[/MENTION] : I gifted my mom an S Duos 2 a year ago.It's a decent allrounder with a good chipset(better than Moto E or zenphone 4) and good battery life.It has an average camera with an LED flash, quality of the shots is ok.

Also, the GPU in it(Video Core 4) is better than the Adreno 305 or the SGX544 MP2 so it would be a companion for those occasional gaming sessions.

samsung loads its phones with bloat and touchwiz is a battery hog and a laggy UI
its build quality isnt that great- the silver bezels chip off very easy
though i will give them credit for good hardware,mainly its poor optimisation etc which brings it down

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kunalgujarathi said:
You just cannot compare the experience and build quality with S Duos!
It's Sam***

yep Moto E is better built than samsung and android one any day

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RCuber said:
Can you guys give me the reason why not to go for Android one other than ASS. I am not worried about after sales service.

There is no reason not to go for android One.From all three devices Karbonn Sparkel V is the one with sturdy build quality.They are providing warranty for 1.5 years while tier 1 brand provide same for 1 year only.Updates were given by Google directly even better these devices do not skip on any features or sensors.
Regarding chipset that mediatek chipset score 18k in antutu while snapdragon 200 in moto E results in 12k only.This phone have much better camera than moto E.Most important thing is you are getting stock roms.

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^^Mediatek only looks good on paper,the SD200 is better in real life performance
only thing which is better on Android one is the inclusion of camera flash

kkn13 said:
android one oems in India- micromax,spice and karbonn are a joke,they arent good quality and have MTK cpus which lag and have worse battery life than Moto E

kkn13 said:
^^Mediatek only looks good on paper,the SD200 is better in real life performance

Nope.

Talking about Canvas A1, Cortex-A7 is a core designed by ARM and both Mediatek and Qualcomm have licensed it from ARM and are using it directly. MT6582 has 4 of them, Snapdragon 200 only two.

Dunno about what's the case with Mali 400 and Adreno 302, but both should be around the same level since Mali 400 is too old. I might be wrong on this one. Mali 400 is again designed by ARM and Mediatek has licensed it. Adreno is Qualcomm's own design.

Neither Qualcomm or Mediatek have the ability to fabricate chips.

TSMC manufactures both Qualcomm and Mediatek chips, so no "low quality" thing if you're wondering; and being made on the same 28nm manufacturing process from TSMC, you'd expect them to have same power characterstics. Whatever you're saying about their SoCs is false, though you have a point about the external build of Moto E.

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ico said:
Nope.

Talking about Canvas A1, Cortex-A7 is a core designed by ARM and both Mediatek and Qualcomm have licensed it from ARM and are using it directly. MT6582 has 4 of them, Snapdragon 200 only two.

Dunno about what's the case with Mali 400 and Adreno 302, but both should be around the same level since Mali 400 is too old. I might be wrong on this one. Mali 400 is again designed by ARM and Mediatek has licensed it. Adreno is Qualcomm's own design.

Neither Qualcomm or Mediatek have the ability to fabricate chips.

TSMC manufactures both Qualcomm and Mediatek chips, so no "low quality" thing if you're wondering; and being made on the same 28nm manufacturing process from TSMC, you'd expect them to have same power characterstics. Whatever you're saying about their SoCs is false, though you have a point about the external build of Moto E.

im saying this because my brother has a Moto E and a Lenovo S930 which has the same cpu as android one
its really slow and laggy compared to SD200 found on the Moto E,it could be the rom or something but hes tried changing launchers etc,no improvement,even apps are slow on it in comparison to Moto E

When i first saw the Moto E release even i used to believe cheaper snapdragon chipsets like the SD200 and SD400 were underpowered but the SD200 is actually a very capable cpu and handles stuff very well

the low quality thing isnt for the cpus,i was talking about the android one oems -spice,MMX and Karbonn who are notorious for poor after sales and build

the ARM thing is true but snapdragon performs better in real life than mediatek

the only reason one should consider the android one handsets over the Moto E is probably the inclusion of camera flash,otherwise the Premium sturdy feel of the Moto E puts most mid range handsets also to shame

i have two lenovo tablets both with mediatek and despite the good pricing etc, the lag and incompatibility issues which i face are rather surprising even though one of them is a quad core

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kkn13 said:
im saying this because my brother has a Moto E and a Lenovo S930 which has the same cpu as android one
its really slow and laggy compared to SD200 found on the Moto E,it could be the rom or something but hes tried changing launchers etc,no improvement,even apps are slow on it in comparison to Moto E

Lag is due to unoptimized ROM.Android One devices comes with stock ROMs which rules out slow and laggyness due to unoptimized roms.changing launcher will do no good if kernel is unoptimized one.

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Minion said:
Lag is due to unoptimized ROM.Android One devices comes with stock ROMs which rules out slow and laggyness due to unoptimized roms.changing launcher will do no good if kernel is unoptimized one.

still youd expect some amount of performance,even samsung phones perform better despite touchwiz

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I just found the best phone for the price if you can extend to 9K
*www.amazon.in/gp/product/B00EOPJ76A/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d4_i5?pf_rd_m=A1VBAL9TL5WCBF&pf_rd_s=center-7&pf_rd_r=1R0WQ3WSE17GT8X7R441&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=518028687&pf_rd_i=1320006031

^The one above seems like a steal. Get it if you can. Apart from that, Lumia 525, 520, 630 are all good. Lumia 630 provides improved battery life compared to 525, 520, 530.

I would also suggest Zenfone 5 @ 10,000 rupees(Till date pretty happy with it except for battery) And its camera is great.

my colleague bought MMX A1, I am quite impressed with its performance(used it for a few minutes), except the looks, its just okayish.

I dont think my mom will be able to use a windows phone. she atleast can use Android tablet.

RCuber said:
I dont think my mom will be able to use a windows phone. she atleast can use Android tablet.

I find this quote interesting. Why do you think Android is easier to use for an elderly lady than Windows?

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kkn13 said:
android one oems in India- micromax,spice and karbonn are a joke,they arent good quality and have MTK cpus which lag and have worse battery life than Moto E
so its pointless getting a poorly made android one over a Moto E

Moto E has better quality,feels nice and sturdy
it makes no sense to get android one over a Moto E,even updates are equally fast
i highly suggest you get the Moto E over an android one if you are keen on android
if you dont take my word for it,try seeing it in real

also Moto E comes with Gorilla glass 3
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samsung loads its phones with bloat and touchwiz is a battery hog and a laggy UI
its build quality isnt that great- the silver bezels chip off very easy
though i will give them credit for good hardware,mainly its poor optimisation etc which brings it down

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yep Moto E is better built than samsung and android one any day

I have been using my first Samsung smartphone, a Galaxy S5 for quite some time now.I didn't find any of the problems you speak about.

I do notice an occasional lag here and there but nothing that gets me frustrated.Same is the case with my Mom's S Duos 2.

Regarding build quality, it's not like every other phone is built of aircraft grade aluminium in this price range.If we are talking abour raw specs nothing beats a Dual core Cortex A9(A9>A7) and Broadcom 4 GPU.

Nah, TW is a problem, it's a mess actually. And also you won't realize that until you use a phone running on stock Android. It should be built from scratch.
Build quality is on the other hand is more than fine. After hTC, Nokia and BB I will rather take Samsung than anything else on the market. Some are utter jokes.

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AbhMkh said:
I have been using my first Samsung smartphone, a Galaxy S5 for quite some time now.I didn't find any of the problems you speak about.

I do notice an occasional lag here and there but nothing that gets me frustrated.Same is the case with my Mom's S Duos 2.

Regarding build quality, it's not like every other phone is built of aircraft grade aluminium in this price range.If we are talking abour raw specs nothing beats a Dual core Cortex A9(A9>A7) and Broadcom 4 GPU.

What about battery backup?

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Moto G (1st Gen) (Black, with 16 GB) is available in Rs. 9,999

flipkart

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Moto G (1st Gen)

(Black, with 16 GB) is now 9999 in flip! and after sbi debit/credit card cashback effective price gonna be 8999.10/-

Go for Moto E. Perfect choice under 7k.

Ronnie012 said:
I find this quote interesting. Why do you think Android is easier to use for an elderly lady than Windows?

She know a few basic operations on Android, she already has used a few before(dad's phone, my phone, and she plays few games on a tablet) . Windows on the other hand has totally different interface. I am not confident she would be able to get around the phone.

EDIT: Any thoughts on the newly launched Honor Holly ?

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It got same chipset as Android one devices looks good to me.
Here is the review
Huawei Honor Holly Review- Is It Worth The Price? Find Out!

RCuber said:
She know a few basic operations on Android, she already has used a few before(dad's phone, my phone, and she plays few games on a tablet) . Windows on the other hand has totally different interface. I am not confident she would be able to get around the phone.

EDIT: Any thoughts on the newly launched Honor Holly ?

Hmm, am also planning to gift one to my dad and mom, so still wondering whether to go for windows, android or asha. Guess they might be able to handle android as well

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Minion said:
What about battery backup?

The phone has a 1500MAH battery, battery backup is ok

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As per me 1500 Mah battery is too less don't you think?

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touchwiz is a major bloat and lag filled experience,samsungs bezels etc chip very easily and often
its time people start accepting this hard truth
otherwise samsung is certainly better than chinese and indian oems,that i will agree

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Ronnie012 said:
Hmm, am also planning to gift one to my dad and mom, so still wondering whether to go for windows, android or asha. Guess they might be able to handle android as well

get windows phone,its lesser hassles etc
depends on usage really,for me i have phones and tablets from every os but my daily devices are-lumia 720 and BB Z10(Nexus 5 only for its OTG capability with my 1200D),ipad 2(my ipads 3 and 4 are heavier,heat alot etc so i prefer the ipad 2 for daily use),Nexus 7 (2012) as its small portable etc
frankly my daily devices are based on what they do best,windows phone functions best as an every day phone with its smoothness,excellent battery life and camera(I only use BB10 because i like to keep two separate sets of facebook and other apps related to promoting my site and business etc,i end up using my 720 more often)
ipad is easily the best tablet overall because of sheer design,smoothness and battery life etc
nexus 7(2012) is nice to hold and carry around and is the best android tablet ive used,most others are worthless

kkn13 said:
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get windows phone,its lesser hassles etc
depends on usage really,for me i have phones and tablets from every os but my daily devices are-lumia 720 and BB Z10(Nexus 5 only for its OTG capability with my 1200D),ipad 2(my ipads 3 and 4 are heavier,heat alot etc so i prefer the ipad 2 for daily use),Nexus 7 (2012) as its small portable etc
frankly my daily devices are based on what they do best,windows phone functions best as an every day phone with its smoothness,excellent battery life and camera(I only use BB10 because i like to keep two separate sets of facebook and other apps related to promoting my site and business etc,i end up using my 720 more often)
ipad is easily the best tablet overall because of sheer design,smoothness and battery life etc
nexus 7(2012) is nice to hold and carry around and is the best android tablet ive used,most others are worthless

Hmm, planning to buy one. Lets see what happens...

[MENTION=144813]Charan[/MENTION]. Bro looks like it's been long time since you started this thread.

ajayritik said:
[MENTION=144813]Charan[/MENTION]. Bro looks like it's been long time since you started this thread.

Yes. things take time and should not be rushed. but on the other hand. my dad has asked for a iPad with cellular and that has me worried on how to convince him to go for android

.

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RCuber said:
Yes. things take time and should not be rushed. but on the other hand. my dad has asked for a iPad with cellular and that has me worried on how to convince him to go for android .

ipad>>>android tablet except maybe nexus which comes close

RCuber said:
Yes. things take time and should not be rushed. but on the other hand. my dad has asked for a iPad with cellular and that has me worried on how to convince him to go for android .

iPad is better than each and every Android tablet out there.

Infact I feel no Android phones and tablets are worth considering if they don't offer stock Android.

ico said:
iPad is better than each and every Android tablet out there.

Infact I feel no Android phones and tablets are worth considering if they don't offer stock Android.

[MENTION=26711]ico[/MENTION] pardon my ignorance. What does stock android refer to?

ajayritik said:
[MENTION=26711]ico[/MENTION] pardon my ignorance. What does stock android refer to?

what Nexus phones and tablets, Moto G, Moto X, Google Play Edition devices etc. run.

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ico said:
iPad is better than each and every Android tablet out there.

Infact I feel no Android phones and tablets are worth considering if they don't offer stock Android.

yep totally agreed!
stock android is the only android i prefer,all others come with a series of issues
exceptions include the partially modded stock android UI by Moto , LG

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ajayritik said:
[MENTION=26711]ico[/MENTION] pardon my ignorance. What does stock android refer to?

in addition to ico's reply to this,a few roms such as carbon,Cyanogenmod also offer a stock android like experience etc but nothing comes close to stock android after all the software and hardware are optimised for each other by the OEM and Google themselves

Also adding to the points given by ico on ipad. I haven't used any of the android tabs in the past couple of years. But I should admit that my 3 year old daughter really operates it pretty smooth. And whatever I used it for I had no absolute issues except for some random heating problem.

ico said:
iPad is better than each and every Android tablet out there.

Infact I feel no Android phones and tablets are worth considering if they don't offer stock Android.

IPad is definitely very good. Butter smooth . The transition animations of Ios is best seen in an iPad imho .

When it comes to android I find Samsung galaxy tab to be good. Though it has touchwiz, it's smooth -contrary to what is observed on galaxy phones.

It isn't as smooth as an IPad , but better than nexus 7 with stock android

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i dont quite agree,touchwiz is nowhere close to the stock android experience on a nexus 7
infact my nexus 7 is the only android ive seen come close to the performance by my ipads,my galaxy tab 2 and my 2 lenovo tabs lie unused in my house because they are slow and laggy compared to my ipads and nexus 7

kkn13 said:
i dont quite agree,touchwiz is nowhere close to the stock android experience on a nexus 7
infact my nexus 7 is the only android ive seen come close to the performance by my ipads,my galaxy tab 2 and my 2 lenovo tabs lie unused in my house because they are slow and laggy compared to my ipads and nexus 7

I can't comment authoritatively on nexus 7 because I don't own one and haven't tested it's performance. My experience with n7 is my friends second gen nexus which I used for movies on a trip.

The Ui is not all fluidity and smoothness I can tell.
But If it was pure performance you considered, there is nvidia Shield tablet

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nexus is the smoothest android experience and so is nvidia shield but touchwiz is nowhere close

kkn13 said:
nexus is the smoothest android experience and so is nvidia shield but touchwiz is nowhere close

Well, we agree to disagree.

But as I have experienced, there is some lag in UI. The bloated touchwiz however seemed good.
The lag might probably be because of the default animations scale at 1.0x, which I'm used to keeping at less than .5

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^^not possible , touchwiz is often what brings samsung phones down

Nexus 7 2012 i.e. the first gen had a NAND chip whose performance used to degrade after a year or so. That's why slow performance on them.

[MENTION=26711]ico[/MENTION] please lock the thread. Will be deciding on the mobile next week.