Need a GFX Card & A PSU (Urgent, Buying Tomorrow)

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Budget : Rs. 18,000/-

Components needed : PSU & Graphic Card

Components already present : Core i5 3450, 1 seagate 500 GB 7200 RPM HDD, 4 GB G.Skill DDR3 1333MHZ RAM, Monitor resolution is 1336 x 768 px, Asus P8B75-V Motherboard

Main Use : Gaming & 3D Animation Work, Watching Movies

Please do not suggest ATI cards. Thank You.

In 18k, perfect gpu and psu combo for your system is Zotac 660 2GB (15k) with Corsair CX500W PSU (3.5k)

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Thanks for the reply but as i mentioned, no ATI/ AMD please..

himadri_sm said:
Budget : Rs. 18,000/-

Components needed : PSU & Graphic Card

Components already present : Core i5 3450, 1 seagate 500 GB 7200 RPM HDD, 4 GB G.Skill DDR3 1333MHZ RAM, Monitor resolution is 1336 x 768 px, Asus P8B75-V Motherboard

Main Use : Gaming & 3D Animation Work, Watching Movies

Please do not suggest ATI cards. Thank You.

Bad choice buddy, anyway:
SMPS: CORSAIR SMPS-600GS (provided you won't upgrade much in near future)
If want to upgrade to very powerful system/sli in near future: CORSAIR SMPS TX750-V2 -Buy this if you plan on a huge upgrade later, a SMPS does not lose its value over time, else don't buy this at it will be an utter waste, a GS600 would be able to handle upto two medium range cards like 7850 later

GPU: ASUS GRAPHICS CARD GTX 650 TI 1GB DDR5 (a waste for this monitor, but its given so that you can upgrade to 1080p later)
Else: ZOTAC GRAPHICS CARD GTX 650 1GB DDR5 (would do for 1366x768)

PS: If you are open to AMD, this card spanks all to oblivion: SAPPHIRE GRAPHICS CARD HD 7850 2GB DDR5 OC

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Thanks Tkin...I am not going for AMD cards as I have a fair amount of 3d work to do and I've always had problems with AMD cards & 3D softwares...btw, which series of Nvidia cards is better- The 500 or 600 ? The GTX 560 is also available within my price range.

himadri_sm said:
Thanks for the reply but as i mentioned, no ATI/ AMD please..

zotac 660 is not ati/amd :duh2:

himadri_sm said:
Thanks Tkin...I am not going for AMD cards as I have a fair amount of 3d work to do and I've always had problems with AMD cards & 3D softwares...btw, which series of Nvidia cards is better- The 500 or 600 ? The GTX 560 is also available within my price range.

Apart from the last card, all the others I mentioned are nVidia, did you even open the links? :evil:

himadri_sm said:
Thanks Tkin...I am not going for AMD cards as I have a fair amount of 3d work to do and I've always had problems with AMD cards & 3D softwares...btw, which series of Nvidia cards is better- The 500 or 600 ? The GTX 560 is also available within my price range.

the gtx series is mainly for gaming for the record anyday amd cards enjoy better compute performance than nvidia.....(i own a 680 myself)
you seem to have a vs550 now that's enough if you run a 650ti and your current system....if your planing upgrades in the future only then you should upgrade the psu....your wish anyways just get a zotac 660ti that would do

himadri_sm said:
Thanks for the reply but as i mentioned, no ATI/ AMD please..

Buddy Zotac GTX660 is available in Pune for 15k. Go for it

havoknation said:
Buddy Zotac GTX660 is available in Pune for 15k. Go for it

There's also this one: Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2 GB GDDR5 GV-N660OC-2GD Graphics Card - Gigabyte: Flipkart.com

tkin said:
There's also this one: Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2 GB GDDR5 GV-N660OC-2GD Graphics Card - Gigabyte: Flipkart.com

@tkin
I would prefer Zotac over Gigabyte. What you say?
Zotac offers 5 years warranty

havoknation said:
@tkin
I would prefer Zotac over Gigabyte. What you say?
Zotac offers 5 years warranty

You could say that,, but GB has 3 yrs warranty, plus its Windforce 3 cooler is practically unbeatable:
Zotac vs Gigabyte GTX660, thermals:
*media.bestofmicro.com/U/S/352324/original/Temp.png
A straight 13c difference is pretty inexcusable.
From the review:

When it comes thermal performance, Gigabyte's GeForce GTX 650 delivers an impressive load temperature of only 47 degrees Celsius. The GeForce GTX 660 cards generate significantly higher temperatures, with the reference card spiking as high as 76 degrees under load and Zotac's card hitting 71 degrees. Gigabyte's Windforce cooling solution helps a lot, keeping its GeForce GTX 660's peak temperature down to 56 degrees.

Temperature And Noise : Nvidia GeForce GTX 650 And 660 Review: Kepler At $110 And $230

The only reason I suggested Gigabyte because I had read the review earlier, but I have nothing against zotac, OP can get whatever he wants, both will serve him good, choice is his, whether he wants lower temps(waaay lower) or a 2 yrs more warranty

tkin said:
You could say that,, but GB has 3 yrs warranty, plus its Windforce 3 cooler is practically unbeatable:
Zotac vs Gigabyte GTX660, thermals:
*media.bestofmicro.com/U/S/352324/original/Temp.png
A straight 13c difference is pretty inexcusable.
From the review:

Temperature And Noise : Nvidia GeForce GTX 650 And 660 Review: Kepler At $110 And $230

The only reason I suggested Gigabyte because I had read the review earlier, but I have nothing against zotac, OP can get whatever he wants, both will serve him good, choice is his, whether he wants lower temps(waaay lower) or a 2 yrs more warranty

I have heard that Gigabyte has some issues with warranty services. So I would prefer Zotac over GB. Anyways its OP choice. PEACE

Re: Need a GFX Card & A PSU (Urgent, Buying Tomorrow)

5years warranty will be a waste coz whatever GPU you buy, it will be outdated in 3 years. the only thing the warranty will help will be its resale value.

and IMO, you should upgrade your Monitor before going in for 660Ti. that gpu on your resolution will be a waste.

and go through the links the members post. there is no use of yapping araound asking people to help if you dont go through the links the post. Capiche?

I am not getting one thing: OP has 3D rendering software as one of the main priorities and we all know GCN based AMD cards offer superior Compute performance than any Nvidia 600 series card. In fact HD 7850 can beat the hell out of a GTX 670.

If OP's requirement is entirely gaming, then GTX 660 2GB is the best choice aong with a Seasonic S12II 620 or Corsair GS600 PSU. But as 3D rendering works are also in the top priorities, a HD 7850 2GB is the best option. Most of the 3D rendering software support GPU acceleration through OpenGL, DirectCompute and OpenCL now a days and all the GCN based AMD cards do have a good amount of advantage over any Nvidia Kepler cards.

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Re: Need a GFX Card & A PSU (Urgent, Buying Tomorrow)

havoknation said:
In 18k, perfect gpu and psu combo for your system is Zotac 660 2GB (15k) with Corsair CX500W PSU (3.5k)

Godoftheforbiddenlight said:
zotac 660 is not ati/amd

Ohh...I don't know what I read yesterday...I must've been drunk or something...sorry

tkin said:
Bad choice buddy, anyway:
SMPS: CORSAIR SMPS-600GS (provided you won't upgrade much in near future)
If want to upgrade to very powerful system/sli in near future: CORSAIR SMPS TX750-V2 -Buy this if you plan on a huge upgrade later, a SMPS does not lose its value over time, else don't buy this at it will be an utter waste, a GS600 would be able to handle upto two medium range cards like 7850 later

GPU: ASUS GRAPHICS CARD GTX 650 TI 1GB DDR5 (a waste for this monitor, but its given so that you can upgrade to 1080p later)
Else: ZOTAC GRAPHICS CARD GTX 650 1GB DDR5 (would do for 1366x768)

PS: If you are open to AMD, this card spanks all to oblivion: SAPPHIRE GRAPHICS CARD HD 7850 2GB DDR5 OC

tkin said:
Apart from the last card, all the others I mentioned are nVidia, did you even open the links?

I did go through the links...I am merely stating the reason why I am not buying AMD cards, that's all.

Godoftheforbiddenlight said:
the gtx series is mainly for gaming for the record anyday amd cards enjoy better compute performance than nvidia.....(i own a 680 myself)
you seem to have a vs550 now that's enough if you run a 650ti and your current system....if your planing upgrades in the future only then you should upgrade the psu....your wish anyways just get a zotac 660ti that would do

It's for a different system that i mentioned in my first post. (not for the one in my sig)

Cilus said:
I am not getting one thing: OP has 3D rendering software as one of the main priorities and we all know GCN based AMD cards offer superior Compute performance than any Nvidia 600 series card. In fact HD 7850 can beat the hell out of a GTX 670.

If OP's requirement is entirely gaming, then GTX 660 2GB is the best choice aong with a Seasonic S12II 620 or Corsair GS600 PSU. But as 3D rendering works are also in the top priorities, a HD 7850 2GB is the best option. Most of the 3D rendering software support GPU acceleration through OpenGL, DirectCompute and OpenCL now a days and all the GCN based AMD cards do have a good amount of advantage over any Nvidia Kepler cards.

You see- 3D rendering using 3ds Max or Maya is entirely CPU & RAM dependent. It has nothing to do with GFX cards. But a gfx card is necessary for the display of objects in a 3d viewport. I don't know if you'll believe me but AMD (ATI) cards have always caused my max/ maya viewport objects to lag...When I rotate/ pan or zoom into an object, I get really slow performance & low frame rates...Nvidia has no such problems. Besides Nvidia has two plugins for Photoshop & 3ds Max that I use.

I've gone through the links. Anyway, I've decided on the Corsair GS 600 as I won't be upgrading the system for a while. I will buy a better monitor in a month or two. Still deciding on the GFX card. Will let you guys know what I bought. Thanks a lot everyone.

Still deciding on the GFX card...btw, read in a few places that the 560 ti is better than the 650 ti..Is it not recommended ? I am considering the 650 more than the 660 as I feel it is quite adequate for my requirements...But if a 560 is better, I may consider that as well. It's costlier than the 650 though.

Buddy, You didn't use any AMD cards based GCN architecture. GCN or Graphics Core Next is the AMD's SIMD design to bring superb compute performance and gaming performance in a single package. The new GCN based cards are way faster than any Nvidia 600 series cards. Even a 14K HD 7850 can beat a 32K GTX 680 with ease in terms of compute performance. Have a read here: AutoDesk Maya 2013 GPU Acceleration - Puget Custom Computers

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A 7750 beat a 680 !! :owned:

Re: Need a GFX Card &amp; A PSU (Urgent, Buying Tomorrow)

OP is going for 3D rendering, then why some guys are suggesting GTX6xx series cards?
They are very bad choice for this case where main purpose of OP is 3D rendering, not gaming.
Either go with HD78502GB version or Older GTX560ti.
Never think about GTX6xxx series cards at all.
Talking about the choice of PSU, GS600 or TX650V2, depending on budget and OP's future upgradation plan.

Cilus said:
Have a read here: AutoDesk Maya 2013 GPU Acceleration - Puget Custom Computers

Thanks. I was about to post this link when I came across your post.

Myth said:
^^
A 7750 beat a 680 !!

You own' believe, but it does.
GTX6xx series is a big fail in terms of computing power, compared to GTX5xx series or AMD 7xxx series. But this series is mainly targeted to gamers..

Cilus said:
Buddy, You didn't use any AMD cards based GCN architecture. GCN or Graphics Core Next is the AMD's SIMD design to bring superb compute performance and gaming performance in a single package. The new GCN based cards are way faster than any Nvidia 600 series cards. Even a 14K HD 7850 can beat a 32K GTX 680 with ease in terms of compute performance. Have a read here: AutoDesk Maya 2013 GPU Acceleration - Puget Custom Computers

nvidia is down at the moment....plus look at the goddamn prices they should be sued for that a 660ti cost's 19+ whereas the next card would be way off that 19+ margin.....compute performance is pathetic considering my gtx 680 is giving me problems already so much so that i am buying a 7950 probably....you wont believe the stuttering...i'll put up a video shortly......................GCN owns it at the moment sad but true

Godoftheforbiddenlight said:
nvidia is down at the moment....plus look at the goddamn prices they should be sued for that a 660ti cost's 19+ whereas the next card would be way off that 19+ margin.....compute performance is pathetic considering my gtx 680 is giving me problems already so much so that i am buying a 7950 probably....you wont believe the stuttering...i'll put up a video shortly......................GCN owns it at the moment sad but true

GTX660Ti is the only nVidia card positioned correctly atm.

Elaborate about GTX680 stuttering, and how it has anything to do with its compute performance, a video would help.

Re: Need a GFX Card &amp; A PSU (Urgent, Buying Tomorrow)

tkin said:
GTX660Ti is the only nVidia card positioned correctly atm.

Elaborate about GTX680 stuttering, and how it has anything to do with its compute performance, a video would help.

im working on it

the softwares i work on are developed in our very own department....it utilizes cpu + gpu + ram.......somehow the gtx680 is causing stuttering....its just plain out lag....you rotate on object(3d) and it refreshes automatically it happens all the time........i put in a friends quadro 400 and it was smooth like butter....then put in a 7950 and it was butter.........

though i get great fps while playing games better than a 7970 at stock but i did seek some work performance out of it considering i paid 40+ for i....its a shame i should have gone for two 7950's in the first place :cry:

Actually GCN performs better because AMD has used a lots of CPU based Thread Scheduling technologies in the GCN design. GCN can use X86 Memory handling and for that programmers can easily assign multiple threads to it efficiently using existing X86 Memory optimization techniques unlike some special memory management techniques required for normal GPU programming. because of these assignment, each of the 4 SIMD units inside a single COMPUTE ENGINE can be assigned with 10 threads containing 64 work items each. They can also work in out of order thread execution mode, i.e., when one thread is stalled for unavailability of resources, rather than waiting for the resources to become available, the SIMD unit can fetch any other thread out of the 10 thread assigned to it. Because of these optimization techniques, the execution path of a program in GCN design is very much optimized.

Cilus said:
Actually GCN performs better because AMD has used a lots of CPU based Thread Scheduling technologies in the GCN design. GCN can use X86 Memory handling and for that programmers can easily assign multiple threads to it efficiently using existing X86 Memory optimization techniques unlike some special memory management techniques required for normal GPU programming. because of these assignment, each of the 4 SIMD units inside a single COMPUTE ENGINE can be assigned with 10 threads containing 64 work items each. They can also work in out of order thread execution mode, i.e., when one thread is stalled for unavailability of resources, rather than waiting for the resources to become available, the SIMD unit can fetch any other thread out of the 10 thread assigned to it. Because of these optimization techniques, the execution path of a program in GCN design is very much optimized.

getting a 7950 real soon mate.....i'll seriously advise people not to buy a high end gtx card expecting good performance in gpu intensive works....gamers have no worries though....the 680 has 8-10 fps more than the 7950 in stock in everything full...

Godoftheforbiddenlight said:
getting a 7950 real soon mate.....i'll seriously advise people not to buy a high end gtx card expecting good performance in gpu intensive works....gamers have no worries though....the 680 has 8-10 fps more than the 7950 in stock in everything full...

GTX680 has almost no compute power, its nvidia's plan to reduce power consumption and heat for gamers, as the entire G6xx line up is aimed at gamers only, for compute 7950/7970 has no equal atm(also this causes the massive power draw and heat like GTX4xx), well maybe the GTX480 would give it a fight, it had massive compute powers as well, but GTX5xx lost some of it and GTX6xx nearly all of it.

Re: Need a GFX Card &amp;amp; A PSU (Urgent, Buying Tomorrow)

Godoftheforbiddenlight said:
im working on it

the softwares i work on are developed in our very own department....it utilizes cpu + gpu + ram.......somehow the gtx680 is causing stuttering....its just plain out lag....you rotate on object(3d) and it refreshes automatically it happens all the time........i put in a friends quadro 400 and it was smooth like butter....then put in a 7950 and it was butter.........

though i get great fps while playing games better than a 7970 at stock but i did seek some work performance out of it considering i paid 40+ for i....its a shame i should have gone for two 7950's in the first place

Man , it seems kepler cards are really pathetic in general purpose workloads. You should have been more careful in selecting gpu for your kind of work.
Op should get GCN here. Probably you can provide him more insight into this as you both work on similar things.

tkin said:
GTX680 has almost no compute power, its nvidia's plan to reduce power consumption and heat for gamers, as the entire G6xx line up is aimed at gamers only, for compute 7950/7970 has no equal atm(also this causes the massive power draw and heat like GTX4xx), well maybe the GTX480 would give it a fight, it had massive compute powers as well, but GTX5xx lost some of it and GTX6xx nearly all of it.

Yup that's true. Compute will be back again though and it will really bring it this time. Have a look at the following:

Report: Nvidia GK110 Titan GPU to be Available Next Month

Its launching next month with a hefty price tag of $899. But its nearly as powerful as a 690.
The block diagram confirms it having the "double precision" units responsible for compute performance which GK104 lacked.

This is the big kepler. They still have the tdp around 225 watt which is a great thing.
The vram is a massive 6gb gddr5 with a 384bit bus.

tkin said:
There's also this one: Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2 GB GDDR5 GV-N660OC-2GD Graphics Card - Gigabyte: Flipkart.com

you should not recommend gfx card from this manufacturer at-least - not for my experience but read this ;-)

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/graphic-cards/168091-looking-grpahics-card-around-8k-2.html#post1817668

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Guys thanks for the discussion....I bought the Corsair GS 600 PSU....Waited for the GPU as I wasn't sure of the GTX 650. But I am pretty sure I'll buy this- ZOTAC GTX560TI (FERMI) 1GB GDDR5 .Reviews and benchmarks show that the 560 Ti is better than the 650 Ti. What do you guys think ?

himadri_sm said:
Guys thanks for the discussion....I bought the Corsair GS 600 PSU....Waited for the GPU as I wasn't sure of the GTX 650. But I am pretty sure I'll buy this- ZOTAC GTX560TI (FERMI) 1GB GDDR5 .Reviews and benchmarks show that the 560 Ti is better than the 650 Ti. What do you guys think ?

560Ti is wayyy more powerful than 650, there's no competition, get 560Ti if you can: AnandTech - Bench - GPU12

PS: Our forum member ithehappy may be selling his 560Ti as he's getting my 580, you could PM him for a quote: *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/members/99398.html

himadri_sm said:
Guys thanks for the discussion....I bought the Corsair GS 600 PSU....Waited for the GPU as I wasn't sure of the GTX 650. But I am pretty sure I'll buy this- ZOTAC GTX560TI (FERMI) 1GB GDDR5 .Reviews and benchmarks show that the 560 Ti is better than the 650 Ti. What do you guys think ?

Benchmark Results: Batman: Arkham City : Nvidia GeForce GTX 650 And 660 Review: Kepler At $110 And $230

Here you may see performance of GTX 650 compared to others....
But I recommend HD7770 against GTX 650
HD 7850 against GTX 660

for Op's choice GTX 660 is better suited but comparing the gpu computing performance HD7850 is recommended and both are neck to neck when it comes to gaming performance ( may be GTX 660 has some slight advantage ) upto HD resolution

himadri_sm said:
Thanks Tkin...I am not going for AMD cards as I have a fair amount of 3d work to do and I've always had problems with AMD cards & 3D softwares...btw, which series of Nvidia cards is better- The 500 or 600 ? The GTX 560 is also available within my price range.

himadri_sm said:
You see- 3D rendering using 3ds Max or Maya is entirely CPU & RAM dependent. It has nothing to do with GFX cards. But a gfx card is necessary for the display of objects in a 3d viewport. I don't know if you'll believe me but AMD (ATI) cards have always caused my max/ maya viewport objects to lag...When I rotate/ pan or zoom into an object, I get really slow performance & low frame rates...Nvidia has no such problems. Besides Nvidia has two plugins for Photoshop & 3ds Max that I use.

This time you'll face more problems with nVidia. Your information is from the HD 4000 and GTX 200 series era. Outdated.

Better buy GTX 260/280 if you want to do 3D Work. Viewports in 3ds max and Maya are going to be faster in GTX 260/280. GTX 5xx is crippled through drivers and most probably GTX 6xx is also crippled.

Read post #21 here - Polycount Forum - View Single Post - Slow viewports In Maya with new nvidia card ! HD 6950 being (40 fps) 10x faster than GTX 560 Ti (4 fps).

Slow viewports In Maya with new nvidia card ! - Page 2 - Polycount Forum

Once a guy with GTX 480 SLI came to my IRC channel wondering why his Viewport performance is very slow.

[H]ard|Forum - View Single Post - Desktop versus Workstation GPU's? GTX 470 being only 50% of 8800 GTX.

hehe, this guy says Viewports in GTX 470 are even slower than a HD 4670M. (laptop)

I said that already, the entire nVidia 4xx,5xx and 6xx line up has its viewport crippled via drivers and compute diminished to nothing in hardware, maybe Titan will change that, but AMD is the way to go for designers now, period.