Need Help in configuring workstations

What is the budget for server?

same for all....
so was thinking about keeping the same config and put lots of ram with low gpu...

Here is a little out of the box thinking...

use 10 FX-4100 based machines for clients and complete your client machines inside 2L (assuming each client has a 22 inch monitor...)

apart from that could go for 22 of these -

(970A-UD3) + (FX-8120) + (2 x 4GB)

Make a private cloud out of these 22 machines.

With this each client can have atleast 16 BD cores and 16GB of ram at their disposal at all times....

You could also have dynamic resource allocation - You could deploy upto 160 or so cores if you have to render something big... etc....

many more benefits of cloud computing you could extract.... njoi!

you might also want to look into hybrid clouds - a small handy 150-200 core pvt cloud tied with an Amazon EC2 cloud as and when needed would give you more processing power than you could ever purchase on your own.

^^explain
in detail
sounds interesting...

lol... check how Peach was rendered.... $50,000 sponsorship from SUN Microsystems for using 50,000 CPU-hours at $1 per hour....

that sort of thing...

$$Lionking$$ said:

Here is a little out of the box thinking...

use 10 FX-4100 based machines for clients and complete your client machines inside 2L (assuming each client has a 22 inch monitor...)

apart from that could go for 22 of these -

(970A-UD3) + (FX-8120) + (2 x 4GB)

Make a private cloud out of these 22 machines.

With this each client can have atleast 16 BD cores and 16GB of ram at their disposal at all times....

You could also have dynamic resource allocation - You could deploy upto 160 or so cores if you have to render something big... etc....

many more benefits of cloud computing you could extract.... njoi!

you might also want to look into hybrid clouds - a small handy 150-200 core pvt cloud tied with an Amazon EC2 cloud as and when needed would give you more processing power than you could ever purchase on your own.

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Would you please explain how there will be 16 cores at disposal per client even if op plans to use 8120??


@ sumonpathak

You could configure your client machines with an i3 2100 + h61 combo and the server can be 2600k + z68/z77.

Since you would game, workstation cards are out of the equation. I would love to recommend nvidia kepler cards for the server gpu but they aren't available yet. So settle for a 7870 or 7970 for server gpu and 7770 each for client gpu.

vickybat said:

Would you please explain how there will be 16 cores at disposal per client even if op plans to use 8120??


@ sumonpathak

You could configure your client machines with an i3 2100 + h61 combo and the server can be 2600k + z68/z77.

Since you would game, workstation cards are out of the equation. I would love to recommend nvidia kepler cards for the server gpu but they aren't available yet. So settle for a 7870 or 7970 for server gpu and 7770 each for client gpu.

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err...no game....strictly workstation purpose.....

sumonpathak said:

Well guys...need to configure 11 machines;10 clients + 1 server..details are given below.

• Budget: rs 90K-95K per machine
• Existing hardware setup: None
• Components from the existing setup that you intend to keep: None
• Components that you have in mind for your new PC: Core i7
• Plans to upgrade in the future: none..buying all at once.
• Places from where you will buy components along with your location: Kolkata
  [*]Intended use of the PC [gaming/office use/rendering/HD playback etc] : Rendering and studio work in clients + workstation/server.
• Brand preference: None
• Monitor size and resolution: 22inch 1920x1200
• Will you be overclocking your setup?: No
• Which OS will you use?: windows seven 64 bit

lets see what u can come up with...

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Then u should edit the first post accordingly . It had gaming mentioned so suggested one. If you'll be using maya for rendering viewports, then the 7 series radeons should serve you well.

But gaming cards loose on precision and accuracy while rendering which workstation cards have a huge advantage. Well i don't have an idea to what degree coz i don't have any hands on experience on the same.

For your overall work, i think you can skip workstation cards.

it was edited...i guess u missed the part in bold.
anyhoo...will check some reviews..

vickybat said:

Would you please explain how there will be 16 cores at disposal per client even if op plans to use 8120??

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read how peach was rendered..........................
@16 cores per client - same way those people were able to use ~600cpus(not cores) to render it.........

@$$Lionking$$: No offfence mate, but practically very few people outside tech world (even most of the so called Computer Science Engineering students) don't know anything about cloud computing. And I guess the friend of Sumon have very little knowledge about the same. So, doing anything out of the box, is, kinda dangerous.

d6bmg - not at all dangerous, quite easy, definite edge over other multimedia organizations....

and sumon's friend is not supposed to do it himself ofcourse..
he should consult somebody who does it - even if he spends 50-100k on some1 who can do it for him its totally worth it... (I don't know how much these people charge.. Im just taking a shot here...)

the benefits of clustering are immense in field of multimedia... think of it this way - when only half the terminals are being used - each terminal could have 32 BD cores & 64GB's of ram dedicated to it....

even most of the so called Computer Science Engineering students - students dude... they're still learning!!... :O

with the state of broadband here cloud computing is a dream.

$$Lionking$$ said:

read how peach was rendered..........................
@16 cores per client - same way those people were able to use ~600cpus(not cores) to render it.........

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Oh you mean two systems make a single client sharing each other's resource isn't it?? In your way op above will have 5 clients to be precise.

But will it be any different if the same systems configured as 10 clients each with 8 bd cores at disposal??

Consider a scenario where there are 10 procedures or say threads each containing 8 instructions. Consider each client to handle a single procedure at a time but more instructions in parallel.

In case 1 i.e the 5 client model, only 5 procedures are fed to the respective clients and lets say each core or execution unit executes one instruction at a time. Even though each client has 16 cores at their disposal, half of them sit idle in case 1.

Now consider case 2 where each client is a single machine and there are 10 clients. Considering same case as above, all 10 procedures are fetched and assigned to all 10 clients where all the instructions are handled. So everything is executed in parallel saving considerable amount of time.

So what do you think would be an ideal configutation aonsidering the above scenario?

sumonpathak said:

with the state of broadband here cloud computing is a dream.

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Thats the thing dude.... with private clouds ur network is not so much of a bottleneck!!!!!
You're not using internet in a private cloud you're using LAN!!

sumonpathak said:

with the state of broadband here cloud computing is a dream.

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After 15 years, maybe, anyone can start, but not now.

vickybat said:

Oh you mean two systems make a single client sharing each other's resource isn't it?? In your way op above will have 5 clients to be precise.

But will it be any different if the same systems configured as 10 clients each with 8 bd cores at disposal??

Consider a scenario where there are 10 procedures or say threads each containing 8 instructions. Consider each client to handle a single procedure at a time but more instructions in parallel.

In case 1 i.e the 5 client model, only 5 procedures are fed to the respective clients and lets say each core or execution unit executes one instruction at a time. Even though each client has 16 cores at their disposal, half of them sit idle in case 1.

Now consider case 2 where each client is a single machine and there are 10 clients. Considering same case as above, all 10 procedures are fetched and assigned to all 10 clients where all the instructions are handled. So everything is executed in parallel saving considerable amount of time.

So what do you think would be an ideal configutation aonsidering the above scenario?

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If you read more about how clouds are made you'll get your answer...

guy guys...cloud is not an option..so lets think offline performance...shall we?

Put 2600 in clients, 3960X on server.
RAM 16 GB everywhere.
Motherboard: H67 in clients, X79 in server.
Graphics card: HD6850 in server and workstation cards in clients.(don't have much idea about workstation cards)
Monitor: Request Asus to bring ~15 24'' monitors to Kolkata, you buy 11, I'll buy 2 and the rest 2 are for the grab.
PSU: TX750V2 everywhere.
Logitech MK250 wireless combo or MK200 wired combo as mouse & keyboard.

Sound system: 2/2.1/5.1?

TX 750V2...NO
get modular

HX650 then? (availability will be an issue)
or order HX750s via MD. (present they don't have any in their stock)

or seasonic thru tirupati

sumonpathak said:

or seasonic thru tirupati

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Thinking about X750?
HX750 have 7 years of warranty whereas X750 have 3 years (or 5 years?) of warranty. + Unmatched Corsair RMA service.

$$Lionking$$ said:

If you read more about how clouds are made you'll get your answer...

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It would be great if you share some of your knowledge on cloud computing with us. Will not only save time but good for this forum as well.

I really want some answers to that above scenario i gave. Would you please care to answer?

^^ Ok, Im not gng to write a long answer to that coz it will not be helping sumon and this thread wud turn into an ego war sort of thing.....

Consider this - Your perception of cloud is not correct, from what you write I can understand that you're thinking that a server will appoint some work to the clients, like in folding@home.

In cloud computing the basic functioning is like X11.. except that its not a single time shared workstation... its a cloud of computing resource (RAM, Cores, Storage etc.. however you configure the cloud..)... the abundance of computing resource in the cloud leads to sharing of resources..(VMs using this resource spawn individual OS's) and not the same resource is time shared... rest all is same.

@Sumon - Private clouds run offline!!! Although Cloud computing is ruled out at this point I believe...

$$Lionking$$ said:

^^ Ok, Im not gng to write a long answer to that coz it will not be helping sumon and this thread wud turn into an ego war sort of thing.....

Consider this - Your perception of cloud is not correct, from what you write I can understand that you're thinking that a server will appoint some work to the clients, like in folding@home.

In cloud computing the basic functioning is like X11.. except that its not a single time shared workstation... its a cloud of computing resource (RAM, Cores, Storage etc.. however you configure the cloud..)... the abundance of computing resource in the cloud leads to sharing of resources..(VMs using this resource spawn individual OS's) and not the same resource is time shared... rest all is same.

@Sumon - Private clouds run offline!!! Although Cloud computing is ruled out at this point I believe...

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Believe me it wouldn't have turned into any sort of ego war but many people would have gained knowledge. Anyways it seems i indeed have little idea on cloud computing. Will look into it in details and try to answer my own questions myself.

Seems interesting and definitely worth digging.

vickybat said:

Seems interesting and definitely worth digging.

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Yes!! To begin with learn from wiki.

$$Lionking$$ said:

^^ Ok, Im not gng to write a long answer to that coz it will not be helping sumon and this thread wud turn into an ego war sort of thing.....

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Ego? Really? May be this can be continued in some other thread.

So, sumon? What did you do?

gave them a brain freeze.....