Need Laptop_Budget 70K

Its Behalf of My Friend...Need Laptop Urgently

1) What is your budget? (INR or USD)
60 to 70k

2) What size & weight consideration (if any) would you prefer?

Netbook; 15" or Above

3) What are the primary tasks you will be performing with this notebook?

For general productivity using outside for a Client meeting and

Browsing on multiple tabs & browsers
Office suites for Documents/PPTs
YouTube videos

5) Any typical configuration in your mind you're eying for?

No Idea about config: Any futuristic next 5 years without any lagging

As of now...He visits a local Dell Dealer convinced of this model...Image attached below
*i.imgur.com/Qp1RwDS.jpg

4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?
a. Like: DELL, HP
b. Dislike: No Idea

6) Anything else you would like to say?

Screen resolution ( 1080p (Full HD) or 1440p )
Battery back up ( normal (3-4hrs) / extended (5-7hrs) )
Purchase place ( Online (eg - flipkart, Amazon) Will refer with local...if any discount or any offer

@omega44-xt
@Nerevarine
@TheSloth
@SaiyanGoku
@whitestar_999
@Zangetsu

You have already tagged the people who have more knowledge than me about laptops, so wait for their inputs on particular models. Just to start the discussion now, with 70K budget, go for latest gen processor at least. Unless you are getting high performing processor from 11th gen within in 70K. that i5 model on display above is just mediocre.

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I am guessing 'using outside for client meetings" mean no "flashy design" gaming laptops.

Much better option IMO:

*www.flipkart.com/lenovo-ideapad-ga...rce-gtx-1650-15ach6-laptop/p/itmd80a61e435ec5

PS: Nvidia should retire MX450 or any other shit tier laptop GPU.

whitestar_999 said:
I am guessing 'using outside for client meetings" mean no "flashy design" gaming laptops.

Yes, No Flashy Design...Need Good Performance

SaiyanGoku said:
Much better option IMO:

*www.flipkart.com/lenovo-ideapad-ga...rce-gtx-1650-15ach6-laptop/p/itmd80a61e435ec5

PS: Nvidia should retire MX450 or any other shit tier laptop GPU.

It's better than Intel i5 11th Gen?
Any heating issue in AMD?
After Service Good?

shreeux said:
It's better than Intel i5 11th Gen?

AMD Ryzen 7 5800H vs Intel Core i5-11300H

shreeux said:
Any heating issue in AMD?

Not since Ryzen AFAIK.

shreeux said:
After Service Good?

Depends on the city I think but it has 1 year ADP and you should be able to extend the warranty for a small amount. As always, watch reviews from reputed tech youtube channels before making a purchase.

SaiyanGoku said:
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H vs Intel Core i5-11300H

Not since Ryzen AFAIK.

Depends on the city I think but it has 1 year ADP and you should be able to extend the warranty for a small amount. As always, watch reviews from reputed tech youtube channels before making a purchase.

Looking Good

SaiyanGoku said:
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H vs Intel Core i5-11300H

Not since Ryzen AFAIK.

Depends on the city I think but it has 1 year ADP and you should be able to extend the warranty for a small amount. As always, watch reviews from reputed tech youtube channels before making a purchase.

How about this...little extended budget or any alternative...HP Victus Latest AMD Ryzen 7-5800H

shreeux said:
How about this...little extended budget or any alternative...HP Victus Latest AMD Ryzen 7-5800H

Extra vertical resolution is good. I thought he won't be gaming, that's why I suggested the cheaper one. Please consult Jarrod's Tech and Bob Of All Trades reviews for both.

HP Aero 13 (13") with R5 5600U, 16GB RAM & 512GB SSD for 63k or Lenovo Slim 5 pro (14") with R7 5800U + 16GB RAM + 2.5K display for 70k are far superior choices for non-gaming tasks. For multimedia laptops, blindly ignore Intel 11th gen, Ryzen has superior performance & battery life. Ryzen 5000 vs Intel 12th gen, Ryzen still has better battery life, performance depends on Intel's CPU model & power limits of laptop.

*www.amazon.in/HP-Pavilion-Ultra-Thin-Anti-Glare-13-be0206AU/dp/B09HV4B42C/?th=1

*www.amazon.in/dp/B09M41GR4K/

Good Laptops are already recommended above. Just make sure its lightweight and highly portable as will be used outside a lot.
16GB RAM is overkill for current use but a plus to have for future. 512 GB SSD is enough and don't add any HDD

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Zangetsu said:
16GB RAM is overkill for current use but a plus to have for future.

I have 8gb ram on my desktop running latest win 10 & despite having 3gb physical ram available I still face "windows run out of memory error" often because of how the latest security mitigations on win 10 works with browsers like chrome where opening even 10-15 tabs may result in a situation where despite having 40% physical ram unused the committed ram(physical ram+page file) usage will exceed 95% resulting in system error. Nowadays unless you have 16g ram don't count on 8gb ram being enough for anything more than 6-7 tabs in chrome browser unless having at least 5-6gb(or system managed with enough free space in C drive) page file size.

For most users, IMO 8GB is still enough, but it is like the minimum RAM one should have, not 4GB. Also, Ryzen laptops block 2GB for VRAM of iGPU (don't know why this much or why they don't allow users to modify it). So 16GB for this price is honestly not extra-ordinary.

Some people have said that 32GB is overkill for my PC for gaming, but I was kind of restricted with 16GB already on my laptop, as in can't have say FH5 + Chrome with 10+ tabs open, hence jumped to 32GB. For me, 16GB to 32GB RAM is a bigger QoL upgrade than i5 12400 to maybe i5 12600K.

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omega44-xt said:
For most users, IMO 8GB is still enough, but it is like the minimum RAM one should have, not 4GB. Also, Ryzen laptops block 2GB for VRAM of iGPU (don't know why this much or why they don't allow users to modify it). So 16GB for this price is honestly not extra-ordinary.

See my previous post. It is entirely possible that on win 10 latest versions while using chrome with 10+ tabs open you may run out of system ram while still having around 40% physical ram(around 5gb used out of 8gb ram) showing as available unless your system managed/set page file size is quite large(say 6GB+).

whitestar_999 said:
See my previous post. It is entirely possible that on win 10 latest versions while using chrome with 10+ tabs open you may run out of system ram while still having around 40% physical ram(around 5gb used out of 8gb ram) showing as available unless your system managed/set page file size is quite large(say 6GB+).

Just saying, most users don't usually have so many tabs, even if they do, it should ideally get cached to storage

Check this test on 8GB RAM usage (pretty old video but good one)

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omega44-xt said:
Just saying, most users don't usually have so many tabs, even if they do, it should ideally get cached to storage

Are you sure because most of time I see other peoples laptops it is usually 7-8 chrome tabs? Caching has nothing to do with this ram issue, it is basically that chrome due to certain reasons demand a "large continuous block of free ram" which it is not getting from the available physical ram(aka suppose chrome demands a chunk of 500mb ram but out of 40% free physical ram the largest continuous chunk available is of 400mb size so this chunk will come out of page file even though total amount of physical ram available is still 40% of installed capacity).

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Zangetsu said:
Check this test on 8GB RAM usage (pretty old video but good one)

Posting a 5 years old video in a discussion about latest win 10 & chrome is like posting a review of xp running on earliest sata ssd to get an idea about latest pcie v4.0 ssd speeds. I suggest you to not post such irrelevant & obsolete videos in discussions regarding latest software/hardware.

whitestar_999 said:
Are you sure because most of time I see other peoples laptops it is usually 7-8 chrome tabs? Caching has nothing to do with this ram issue, it is basically that chrome due to certain reasons demand a "large continuous block of free ram" which it is not getting from the available physical ram(aka suppose chrome demands a chunk of 500mb ram but out of 40% free physical ram the largest continuous chunk available is of 400mb size so this chunk will come out of page file even though total amount of physical ram available is still 40% of installed capacity).

Just saying based on exp with my cousins' laptops, relatives & my father. I have been using 16GB RAM since 2016, now in 2022 jumped to 32GB.

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omega44-xt said:
Just saying based on exp with my cousins' laptops, relatives & my father. I have been using 16GB RAM since 2016, now in 2022 jumped to 32GB.

I have been using 8gb ram without issues on my win 8.1 laptop as well as pc until I installed the latest 21H1 version of win 10. Initially I didn't notice this issue & assumed it was due to low ram because of accumulating win 10 processes over weeks(I often run my pc for weeks continuously) but later I started checking task manager memory tab often & noticed this anomaly of 40% physical ram still available yet committed ram(physical ram+page file) usage hitting 95% usage(one would assume that page file usage will never be so much more than physical ram usage under typical circumstances). I have tested different browsers & this issue seems to be specifically related to chromium based browsers on latest win 10 as same chrome browser on my win 8.1 laptop does not have this issue. I think I can resolve this by probably leaving enough free space in my C drive ssd or maybe set page file to around 8-10gb but these are not ideal solutions. Currently I have increased my page file to 4gb to see if it helps. I don't want to buy extra 8gb ram just to solve this issue.

Finally...my friend choose 3 laptops...which is good and futuristic?

*i.imgur.com/FXHpldE.jpg

*i.imgur.com/9yZmScB.jpg

*i.imgur.com/Lai9Uns.jpg

@omega44-xt
@SaiyanGoku
@whitestar_999
@Zangetsu

What about this...

Dell Inspiron 3520 Intel Core i5 12th Gen (15.6 inch, 16GB, 512GB, Windows 11, MS Office 2021, Intel UMA Graphics, Full HD Display, Platinum Silver, D560879WIN9S)

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HP Pavilion 15-EG2035TU Intel Core i5 12th Gen (15.6 inch, 16GB, 512GB, Windows 11, MS Office 2021, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, FHD IPS Display, Fog Blue, 6D4K7PA#ACJ)

Honestly all 3 of them are overpriced, other two should be overpriced as well. Diwali sale was the best time to buy. My suggestions still are the same, but Aero 13 got a price rise apparently & Lenovo one is out of stock.

Asus Vivobook K15 OLED with R7, 16GB RAM & 512GB SSD was under 65k in Flipkart.

omega44-xt said:
Honestly all 3 of them are overpriced, other two should be overpriced as well. Diwali sale was the best time to buy. My suggestions still are the same, but Aero 13 got a price rise apparently & Lenovo one is out of stock.

Asus Vivobook K15 OLED with R7, 16GB RAM & 512GB SSD was under 65k in Flipkart.

Thanks for the reply...any new year sale will come?

What about Asus...Compare to Dell and HP....After-sales service?

omega44-xt said:
Honestly all 3 of them are overpriced, other two should be overpriced as well. Diwali sale was the best time to buy. My suggestions still are the same, but Aero 13 got a price rise apparently & Lenovo one is out of stock.

Asus Vivobook K15 OLED with R7, 16GB RAM & 512GB SSD was under 65k in Flipkart.

what about this one...

HP 15s- eq2182AU AMD Ryzen 5 (15.6 inch, 16GB, 512GB, Windows 11 Home, MS Office Home and Student 2021, AMD Radeon Graphics, Full HD Display, Natural Silver, 6K7U2PA#ACJ)

One more doubt....Go with Integrated Graphics or Dedicated Graphics...which one is good?

shreeux said:
One more doubt....Go with Integrated Graphics or Dedicated Graphics...which one is good?

Dedicated

shreeux said:
what about this one...

HP 15s- eq2182AU AMD Ryzen 5 (15.6 inch, 16GB, 512GB, Windows 11 Home, MS Office Home and Student 2021, AMD Radeon Graphics, Full HD Display, Natural Silver, 6K7U2PA#ACJ)

Last I checked, HP 15 was worse than HP 14 because of TN panel (vs IPS) & non-backlit KB (vs white backlit). HP 14 with R5 5500U was 48k, even lower on offer, can add 2nd 8GB RAM stick in it.

shreeux said:
One more doubt....Go with Integrated Graphics or Dedicated Graphics...which one is good?

Normal tasks - iGPU is enough

omega44-xt said:
Last I checked, HP 15 was worse than HP 14 because of TN panel (vs IPS) & non-backlit KB (vs white backlit). HP 14 with R5 5500U was 48k, even lower on offer, can add 2nd 8GB RAM stick in it.

Normal tasks - iGPU is enough

What about Mi Laptops...any specific model?

omega44-xt said:
Last I checked, HP 15 was worse than HP 14 because of TN panel (vs IPS) & non-backlit KB (vs white backlit). HP 14 with R5 5500U was 48k, even lower on offer, can add 2nd 8GB RAM stick in it.

Normal tasks - iGPU is enough

You mean to go for the IPS panel?

Avoid Mi. Really doubt if they can match their ASS upto the level of Dell or Asus ASS. Sticking to mainstream brands would be wiser.

Yes, TN panels have bad colors. Always look for IPS panel on laptops, OLED if you have the budget.

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TheSloth said:
Avoid Mi. Really doubt if they can match their ASS upto the level of Dell or Asus ASS. Sticking to mainstream brands would be wiser.

Don't rely too much on Asus after sales support either. An asus laptop purchased from Flipkart was found to have a very small part(connector for installing additional ssd so no impact on laptop's working) broken inside for which they are refusing standard warranty saying it can not be considered as manufacturing defect. Now just think what kind of physical mishandling from Flipkart could break a 6-7mm length part hidden below a thin metal strip inside a fully sealed packed laptop without leaving as much as a single scratch/dent on the outside of laptop body.
@omega44-xt @SaiyanGoku

whitestar_999 said:
Now just think what kind of physical mishandling from Flipkart could break a 6-7mm length part hidden below a thin metal strip inside a fully sealed packed laptop without leaving as much as a single scratch/dent on the outside of laptop body.
@omega44-xt @SaiyanGoku

That's a manufacturing defect, unless someone broke the part after opening the laptop.

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SaiyanGoku said:
That's a manufacturing defect, unless someone broke the part after opening the laptop.

Asus higher team simply refused to accept it saying this was physical damage & could not be considered as manufacturing defect.

whitestar_999 said:
Asus higher team simply refused to accept it saying this was physical damage & could not be considered as manufacturing defect.

Approach consumer forum and file a chargeback with bank.

Today went to a few showrooms along with a friend...Finally, this one was more attractable...view your suggestions.,
Final Price is 53K

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shreeux said:
Final Price is 53K

Ask them how much is ADP & extended warranty & buy ADP for at least 1 year & extended warranty also for at least 1 year.

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SaiyanGoku said:
Approach consumer forum and file a chargeback with bank.

Consumer forum is too time consuming so need some thinking but chargeback is out because too much time has passed not to mention Indian banks usually don't consider chargeback for non-fraud expensive items buying scenarios like these.

Overpriced, should've come with 16 GB RAM. Don't get Dell laptops unless your company is buying them on long service contracts.

Sent from my Poco X3 Pro using Tapatalk

whitestar_999 said:
Ask them how much is ADP & extended warranty & buy ADP for at least 1 year & extended warranty also for at least 1 year.

1st-year default service warranty

Offer:
1. 2nd year only service warranty for 2000/- only

2. 2years (2nd and 3rd year) service +physical damage(broken anything) parts replace warranty for 4250/- only

SaiyanGoku said:
Overpriced, should've come with 16 GB RAM. Don't get Dell laptops unless your company is buying them on long service contracts.

Sent from my Poco X3 Pro using Tapatalk

For an additional 8GB, they charge 3500/-
Other than Dell any alternative..as of now?

SaiyanGoku said:
Approach consumer forum and file a chargeback with bank.

they have toll free number and website to log complaints.
*consumerhelpline.gov.in/

i heard that its little faster than our district courts.

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Zangetsu said:
they have toll free number and website to log complaints.
*consumerhelpline.gov.in/

i heard that its little faster than our district courts.

Already tried that & it helped only in getting a response from asus higher level team instead of the typical customer care toll free number people. Also, this helpline mentions that "no under legal scrutiny case can be filed". It does help though in case of things like getting refund for failed txns which otherwise take weeks for some sites to refund as per comments online.

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shreeux said:
1st-year default service warranty

Offer:
1. 2nd year only service warranty for 2000/- only

2. 2years (2nd and 3rd year) service +physical damage(broken anything) parts replace warranty for 4250/- only

It is costly compared to similar offer from Lenovo or maybe acer. However I strongly recommend getting ADP nowadays as companies won't help you one bit if even a minor dent/scratch happened to your laptop during delivery/usage within warranty & will refuse warranty even if the issue has nothing to do with that minor physical damage.

whitestar_999 said:
Consumer forum is too time consuming so need some thinking but chargeback is out because too much time has passed not to mention Indian banks usually don't consider chargeback for non-fraud expensive items buying scenarios like these.

Chargeback for fraud transaction in SBI CC didn't happen even though it was flagged within an hour. So, Indian banks are just bad. But consumer courts are usually ok, much faster than normal.

shreeux said:
Today went to a few showrooms along with a friend...Finally, this one was more attractable...view your suggestions.,
Final Price is 53K

Inspiron 3000 is not the best built, so I'll say it is similar to HP 14 in build, both average at best. No idea if RAM is upgradeable or KB is backlit. I'll stick suggest HP 14 with R5 5500U for 48k & adding additional RAM.

Display should be ok on that Dell though.

Finally....My Friend bought this....

IdeaPad Slim 5i 12th Gen, 39.62cms - Intel i5 (Storm Grey)

Model Number : 82SF004WIN

shreeux said:
Finally....My Friend bought this....

IdeaPad Slim 5i 12th Gen, 39.62cms - Intel i5 (Storm Grey)
Model Number : 82SF004WIN

Price & specs?

omega44-xt said:
Price & specs?

Price 66k

Need Laptop_Budget 70K

Dell Inspiron 3520 Intel Core i5 12th Gen (15.6 inch, 16GB, 512GB, Windows 11, MS Office 2021, Intel UMA Graphics, Full HD Display, Platinum Silver, D560879WIN9S) &​

HP Pavilion 15-EG2035TU Intel Core i5 12th Gen (15.6 inch, 16GB, 512GB, Windows 11, MS Office 2021, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, FHD IPS Display, Fog Blue, 6D4K7PA#ACJ)​

HP 15s- eq2182AU AMD Ryzen 5 (15.6 inch, 16GB, 512GB, Windows 11 Home, MS Office Home and Student 2021, AMD Radeon Graphics, Full HD Display, Natural Silver, 6K7U2PA#ACJ)​

HP 15s- eq2182AU AMD Ryzen 5 (15.6 inch, 16GB, 512GB, Windows 11 Home, MS Office Home and Student 2021, AMD Radeon Graphics, Full HD Display, Natural Silver, 6K7U2PA#ACJ)​

IdeaPad Slim 5i 12th Gen, 39.62cms - Intel i5 (Storm Grey)​

IdeaPad Slim 5i 12th Gen, 39.62cms - Intel i5 (Storm Grey)​

Dell Inspiron 3520 Intel Core i5 12th Gen (15.6 inch, 16GB, 512GB, Windows 11, MS Office 2021, Intel UMA Graphics, Full HD Display, Platinum Silver, D560879WIN9S)

&

HP Pavilion 15-EG2035TU Intel Core i5 12th Gen (15.6 inch, 16GB, 512GB, Windows 11, MS Office 2021, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, FHD IPS Display, Fog Blue, 6D4K7PA#ACJ)

HP 15s- eq2182AU AMD Ryzen 5 (15.6 inch, 16GB, 512GB, Windows 11 Home, MS Office Home and Student 2021, AMD Radeon Graphics, Full HD Display, Natural Silver, 6K7U2PA#ACJ)

HP 15s- eq2182AU AMD Ryzen 5 (15.6 inch, 16GB, 512GB, Windows 11 Home, MS Office Home and Student 2021, AMD Radeon Graphics, Full HD Display, Natural Silver, 6K7U2PA#ACJ)

IdeaPad Slim 5i 12th Gen, 39.62cms - Intel i5 (Storm Grey)

IdeaPad Slim 5i 12th Gen, 39.62cms - Intel i5 (Storm Grey)