Need mobo+cpu+ram (30k budget)

J

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: Primarily 1080p gaming at 60 fps

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: 30k. May extend slightly for future upgrades.

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: Yes if amd build but only slight overclock.

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Win7 now may opt for win 10 later.

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: N/A

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: A 1080p lg freesync monitor

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: Only need cpu, mobo and ram (2x 8 gb). I already have a 750w psu, 2 x 1tb sata 7200 hdd, corsair spec 01 case, keyboard and mouse. Also 1100 va apc ups.

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: 1-3 weeks

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: I'll build

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Mostly online.

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: For amd build I was thinking of ryzen 1600 on a zen 2 board so future upgrade is possible. Was considering tomahawk max but keep hearing people having issues with msi mobos. For intel 9400f but I guess then future upgradability would be limited. Suggestions are always welcome.

Thank you all in advance.

You only want CPU, Board and RAM but you don't have GPU already or you forgot to mention it?

If you already have 1080 60p capable GPU, then you can go for
Ryzen 3600
Asrock B450 Pro 4
Corsair Vengeance DDR4 8GB x 2

If you don't have a GPU already, then either you have to compromise 1080 60p gaming or increase your budget.

J

I do have a gtx 760 which I will upgrade to either a rx 5700 or rtx 2060S with this build. But that'll be within 2 months or less. I know the 5700 is cheaper and am planning to flash the 5700 xt bios later if necessary. For ram I was initially thinking about 3200 mhz gskill ripjaws V for ryzen build. Since I'd like not to upgrade in the next 5 years. But may upgrade if I'm going with r5 1600. Is corsair better than g.skill?

In that case, go with Ryzen 3600. RX 5700 or 2060S can do 1080 60p comfortably and can do better.
G Skill is good as well. Yeah, you can go for it.

J

Asrock b450 pro 4 is a good motherboard. I was thinking of asus b450 tuf gaming for good onboard sound. But that may shoot up the budget I guess which is why I was planning on going with R5 1600 now and later upgrade to 3600 3 years down the line.

I'm sorry if I tend to be resistant to your suggestions. I've been thinking about what components to pick for past 3 weeks but am slightly confused (overwhelmed??) with the options.

If you're talking about TUF Plus Gaming, you have better option from Asus - TUF M Pro and cheaper than TUF Plus Gaming. You can still get Ryzen 3600, even if budget overshoots it won't be much. And in 3 weeks, there would be offers all over.

john.varghese.5099 said:
But that may shoot up the budget I guess which is why I was planning on going with R5 1600 now and later upgrade to 3600 3 years down the line.

By then, 3600 would be old and there would be no point in getting it.

john.varghese.5099 said:
Asrock b450 pro 4 is a good motherboard. I was thinking of asus b450 tuf gaming for good onboard sound. But that may shoot up the budget I guess which is why I was planning on going with R5 1600 now and later upgrade to 3600 3 years down the line.

I'm sorry if I tend to be resistant to your suggestions. I've been thinking about what components to pick for past 3 weeks but am slightly confused (overwhelmed??) with the options.

R5 3600 (17k) + AsRock B450 Pro4* (7k) + 2x8GB DDR3200MHz (7k) = 31k

Check these websites:
Buy Amd Hexa Core Ryzen 5 3600 at Best Price in India - mdcomputers.in
ADATA XPG GAMMIX D30 8GB (8GBX1) DDR4 3200MHZ RAM
Buy Online ASRock B450 PRO4 AM4 AMD Promontory ATX AMD Motherboard - in India

Do upgrade to Win10 ASAP, not much point holding on to Win7 if you are a gamer. Windows might not be great, but its the only choice. Also buy a 120GB SSD for like 1.7k (Kingston A400), the difference in responsiveness is night & day.

For a bit above your budget, you get a great system. If you plan to play at 1080p, you can settle for a 1660Ti or 2060. Even with the upcoming jump in min requirements of games post 2020 (due to release of next-gen consoles), I'm sure 2060 will still be great for 1080p ultra 60fps gaming.

*B450 mobo needs latest BIOS flashed prior to running Ryzen 3rd gen.

Rough guide:

J

anupam_pb said:
R5 3600 (17k) + AsRock B450 Pro4* (7k) + 2x8GB DDR3200MHz (7k) = 31k

Check these websites:
Buy Amd Hexa Core Ryzen 5 3600 at Best Price in India - mdcomputers.in
ADATA XPG GAMMIX D30 8GB (8GBX1) DDR4 3200MHZ RAM
Buy Online ASRock B450 PRO4 AM4 AMD Promontory ATX AMD Motherboard - in India

Do upgrade to Win10 ASAP, not much point holding on to Win7 if you are a gamer. Windows might not be great, but its the only choice. Also buy a 120GB SSD for like 1.7k (Kingston A400), the difference in responsiveness is night & day.

For a bit above your budget, you get a great system. If you plan to play at 1080p, you can settle for a 1660Ti or 2060. Even with the upcoming jump in min requirements of games post 2020 (due to release of next-gen consoles), I'm sure 2060 will still be great for 1080p ultra 60fps gaming.

*B450 mobo needs latest BIOS flashed prior to running Ryzen 3rd gen.

Rough guide:
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The reason I am planning to go with rtx 2060s / rx 5700 is that I still wish to play at 1080p @ 60 fps avg with most settings at v.high even after 5 years (provided that ray tracing dont make the current gen obsolete)

1) Also, will an SSD improve gaming performance, i.e; higher fps? or only loading time?
I really don't like win 10 but I know I'll have to embrace it eventually.
2) Do online retailers update BIOS or shall we do it ourselves? (Dont have a working PC at the moment)

W

john.varghese.5099 said:
The reason I am planning to go with rtx 2060s / rx 5700 is that I still wish to play at 1080p @ 60 fps avg with most settings at v.high even after 5 years (provided that ray tracing dont make the current gen obsolete)

1) Also, will an SSD improve gaming performance, i.e; higher fps? or only loading time?
I really don't like win 10 but I know I'll have to embrace it eventually.
2) Do online retailers update BIOS or shall we do it ourselves? (Dont have a working PC at the moment)

I doubt you will be able to use 2060s with very high settings after 3 years(by which time system ram will be ddr5 & graphics card ram even much more faster).

1.Get ssd unless you like looking at your screen for a minute(sometimes minutes while win 10 is "doing something in background"). Win 7 support is going to end on 14th Jan 2020 so no point installing it now not to mention newest hardware drivers have some issues with win 7.

2. You can ask online retailer to update the bios for you by confirming it with them over phone(preferred) & email(just to be safe) before placing the order.Links are already given above & if you are in mumbai/pune you can even directly go to primeabgb shop at lamington road for any mobo related issue.

Btw do check this amd mobo tier list: *i.redd.it/7n48gewun0p21.png

J

whitestar_999 said:
1.Get ssd unless you like looking at your screen for a minute(sometimes minutes while win 10 is "doing something in background"). Win 7 support is going to end on 14th Jan 2020 so no point installing it now not to mention newest hardware drivers have some issues with win 7.

2. You can ask online retailer to update the bios for you by confirming it with them over phone(preferred) & email(just to be safe) before placing the order.

The reason I am going for an upgrade is because my current motherboard gave up; probably fried. I still do have my hdd (win 7). So I dont have to get a new win 7 OS. I did have compatibility issues with some older games & some softwares (freeoffice, printer driver) on win 10 (updated when it was free) which I switched back.

I will update to win 10 but as of now it's beyond my budget. Any suggestions to where I can get a copy relatively cheap.

john.varghese.5099 said:
The reason I am planning to go with rtx 2060s / rx 5700 is that I still wish to play at 1080p @ 60 fps avg with most settings at v.high even after 5 years (provided that ray tracing dont make the current gen obsolete)

1) Also, will an SSD improve gaming performance, i.e; higher fps? or only loading time?
I really don't like win 10 but I know I'll have to embrace it eventually.
2) Do online retailers update BIOS or shall we do it ourselves? (Dont have a working PC at the moment)

You can go for 2060S or RX5700 but its a waste of power on 1080p 60Hz monitor in short-term, for 2 years or so, that was my intention while recommending RTX 2060.

SSDs don't improve fps at all. I run all my games from SSD these days. Just the loading times are faster, the impact varies game to game, some are noticeably much faster, others nt so much. In games like Destiny 2 with vast open areas, with HDD, in some areas the game will pause & load stuff. That has been completely eliminated by using a SSD. Many games already don't support anything lower than Win10, also DX12 mode results in better fps in some games, like I have observed it in ROTR. Some hardware have issues with Win10 as well.

Maybe they will. Call them & ask. If possible try computer shops in nearby cities. Ask them to sell you mobo with updated BIOS.

IF you still have your Win7 key, you can still upgrade for free officially. Tried it on a friend's laptop like 2-3 months ago. You can find cheap OEM keys on ebay.com for $5 which is digitally delivered to you. Private bank debit cards should work for payment. If you have old softwares, switch to new ones. Most old software has decent compatibility support, but you can find newer alternatives for most of them.

john.varghese.5099 said:
I will update to win 10 but as of now it's beyond my budget. Any suggestions to where I can get a copy relatively cheap.

This:

SaiyanGoku said:
Don't buy license, do not use cracks/activator, just download and install win 10 from microsoft and use it unactivated.

You can also just upgrade your current windows 7 installation to windows 10.

Get Windows 8.1 . Better than 10 in every way except directx 12 and AMD drivers. Should be more compatible than 10

cute.bandar said:
Get Windows 8.1 . Better than 10 in every way except directx 12 and AMD drivers. Should be more compatible than 10

No, Win10 is definitely better than Win8 & 8.1. Most reviewers agree that as well. Initially, reviewers & users weren't happy with Win10 as it wasn't as good or revolutionary like Win7 or XP for their time. Privacy concerns are there as well with Win10. Now, due to lack of options, Win10 is the way to go. Be it hardware or software support.

J

Asus Turbo RTX 2070 is selling on vedant computers for 31k. It's a blower style card so how do you guys rate it. Since its cheaper (for the time being) than a 2060 super and should perform similarly.

Also are founders edition cards better than partner models? There are rumors that FE are better binned.

W

ASUS Turbo GeForce RTX 2070 8GB review

I think Windows 10 VLK licenses can be had for Rs. 500 or so from eBay.

W

ico said:
I think Windows 10 VLK licenses can be had for Rs. 500 or so from eBay.

Those are not recommended.Basically you are paying money to someone who has no legal right to sell those keys & even if that key works it is not much better than using "ahem" method.One can just use win 10 pro in "forever trial" mode with just the restriction of not able to use personalization options like changing wallpapers etc.

J

Bought the Asrock b450 from prime abgb & ryzen 3600 and g.skill ripjaws V from itdepot. Total cost under 32k.

Also the Asus turbo 2070 rtx from Vedant (thanks to whitestar_99 for his suggestion. Saw it in another thread)

Tried to boot my win 7 installation of my old system. Didn't work so had to format my the hdd (os partition) and reinstall win 7 after a lot of headscratching since I couldn't get the usb drives working. Used an old ps/2 mouse for installation hoping the drives would work after installation. However no such luck.

Is there any workaround for that? Didn't know that win 7 is not supported on am4 boards.

W

Win 7 doesn't have usb 3 drivers for latest gen mobos,you will need to use this:

ASRock B450 Pro4

J

Thanks. Hope it will support usb gen 2 also.

I initially thought I had a faulty motherboard.

Also ryzen 5 3600 temps as indicated in the bios is hovering around 65 deg (idle) - stock cooler. Is this normal? I did apply sone thermal paste but no change in temps.

W

Ryzen 3600 does run a bit hotter because of its 7nm manufacturing base.See how are clocks,if cpu clock is touching 4GHz then 65C is usual(on B450 mobos ryzen 3600 may reach such high clocks sometimes even when idle).

J

whitestar_999 said:
Win 7 doesn't have usb 3 drivers for latest gen mobos,you will need to use this:

ASRock B450 Pro4

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I just downloaded the tool and patched win 7 installation file to an image.

So if I install the patched win 7, then I'll be able to use my usb drives. Is that correct. Because now none of the usb ports are working. Like I said, I managed to install win 7 with the ps/2 mouse but on desktop I cant use the keyboard.

W

Yes,the patched win 7 image should have newest usb 3 drivers supporting the mobo.You can even try manually updating the usb driver by clicking on device manager ? mark usb driver & select "let me choose the driver location" & then select the dvd drive/mounted patched win 7 iso.

john.varghese.5099 said:
Bought the Asrock b450 from prime abgb & ryzen 3600 and g.skill ripjaws V from itdepot. Total cost under 32k.

Also the Asus turbo 2070 rtx from Vedant (thanks to whitestar_99 for his suggestion. Saw it in another thread)

Tried to boot my win 7 installation of my old system. Didn't work so had to format my the hdd (os partition) and reinstall win 7 after a lot of headscratching since I couldn't get the usb drives working. Used an old ps/2 mouse for installation hoping the drives would work after installation. However no such luck.

Is there any workaround for that? Didn't know that win 7 is not supported on am4 boards.

Seriously, Win10 isn't as bad as some say. I'd say except for privacy concerns, its better than Win7 in every respect. No point using Win7 in 2019, esp for gamers.

Also get a cheap 120GB SSD for 1.6k, use that for OS.

J

whitestar_999 said:
Yes,the patched win 7 image should have newest usb 3 drivers supporting the mobo.You can even try manually updating the usb driver by clicking on device manager ? mark usb driver & select "let me choose the driver location" & then select the dvd drive/mounted patched win 7 iso.

Tried that, didn't work. Gave up. Downloaded and installed Win 10.

J

anupam_pb said:
Seriously, Win10 isn't as bad as some say. I'd say except for privacy concerns, its better than Win7 in every respect. No point using Win7 in 2019, esp for gamers.

Also get a cheap 120GB SSD for 1.6k, use that for OS.

Installed Win 10 on my hdd. Somehow my second hdd stopped working. Checked it and found that it had a lot of bad sectors. After the next restart it stopped showing up on 'My PC'. Any suggestions on how to get it working?

W

Win 7 support is going to end on 14th Jan 2020 so it is anyway recommended not to install it on new system.

Try recuva or live linux usb,if still hdd doesn't show up then most likely a mechanical fault & nothing you can do.

whitestar_999 said:
Those are not recommended.Basically you are paying money to someone who has no legal right to sell those keys & even if that key works it is not much better than using "ahem" method.One can just use win 10 pro in "forever trial" mode with just the restriction of not able to use personalization options like changing wallpapers etc.

You never know what trojan / rootkit the "ahem" method might have. And people do like to change wallpapers.

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ico said:
You never know what trojan / rootkit the "ahem" method might have. And people do like to change wallpapers.

Actually this "ahem" method is based on an open source project written in C(check PM),you can check it yourself & even compile your own "ahem method" if you like to experiment. :grin:

P.S. the above "ahem" method actually does not even touch your pc,it is basically a portable server.

whitestar_999 said:
Actually this "ahem" method is based on an open source project written in C(check PM),you can check it yourself & even compile your own "ahem method" if you like to experiment.

P.S. the above "ahem" method actually does not even touch your pc,it is basically a portable server.

Great actually then.

J

Ok. Sorry for bumping up this old thread. Seems like my motherboard (Asrock B450 Pro4) gave up on me AGAIN. Just a couple of weeks beyond warranty.

Please suggest a replacement

My specs are still the same - R5 3600, 16 gb RAM & RTX 2070. No overclocking.

That's bad.
I guess you wouldn't go with the Asrock again. BTW, you didn't say your budget. You can go for B550 board if you want.

Asus B450M A II/Gigabyte B450M DS3H 7k. If you can't spend much, either of 'em would do. They're decent enough for non OC R5 3600
Gigabyte B450 Aorus M/Aorus Elite 8k-9k. Bit better than the above. But again for the price, you can get B550. B550M DS3H is a decent one.
B550M PRO VDH for 10.5k is a good one.

J

nac said:
That's bad.
I guess you wouldn't go with the Asrock again. BTW, you didn't say your budget. You can go for B550 board if you want.

Asus B450M A II/Gigabyte B450M DS3H 7k. If you can't spend much, either of 'em would do. They're decent enough for non OC R5 3600
Gigabyte B450 Aorus M/Aorus Elite 8k-9k. Bit better than the above. But again for the price, you can get B550. B550M DS3H is a decent one.
B550M PRO VDH for 10.5k is a good one.

Ok. I am planning to carry on with my rig for at least another 5 years.
By AGAIN I was talking about the mobo on my previous rig. It was a Gigabyte one (don't remember the model) and it had to be replaced 2 years after purchase and it worked for 3 years before it gave up. All the other components were ok.

And regarding budget - I need something that should last. 10k is my ceiling. But I'm ready to go higher.

I don't understand why mobos fail so fast. Should I try for repair (I don't have much hope though) before I go for a replacement?

BTW I'll keep your suggestions in mind.

I don't know if service center would do repairs out of warranty products. Anyway ask them and let's hear what they say. You can try other repair shop who do chip level servicing. I think they don't last long, but I would do if I am in your position if it's not too expensive. In fact, I did once with a decade old chipset board of some unknown brand. It worked for a while and again starting giving issues.

What exact issue you are facing with your Asrock board, I am also in search of new mobo, looks like Asrock is not reliable ?
For me, board never failed, they did fail couple of time but then because of my experiments and mistakes, I still have few old boards with me, working conditions. ( Asus and Gigabyte, never owned any Asrock)

J

Ricky said:
What exact issue you are facing with your Asrock board, I am also in search of new mobo, looks like Asrock is not reliable ?
For me, board never failed, they did fail couple of time but then because of my experiments and mistakes, I still have few old boards with me, working conditions. ( Asus and Gigabyte, never owned any Asrock)

No display at all i.e. no POST. It was working fine till the day before. Initially my case fan didn't work. So I cleaned my PC and tried again and it did start spinning. However still no display. Fans on all components i.e. gfx card, PSU, CPU are all working - so no problem there. I swapped my psu & gfx card with ones from my previous PC - still nothing. Tried with just 1 RAM stick and then the next - nothing.
Three is nothing else that I could.

Is there any reset jumper in it, hopefully you have tried that already. I had exact problem, (with Asus though), had almost given up after trying so many things but then (reset (through jumber) + 10 mins without cmos battery and power, it came to life. Happened few times again, ie. no post but fans spinning, everytime worked for next 1 year or so. Then I retired that board (was i3 3rd gen something) However, sometimes this also happens when power management related issue is there on board, you could try local experienced guys before buying new one.

john.varghese.5099 said:
No display at all i.e. no POST. It was working fine till the day before. Initially my case fan didn't work. So I cleaned my PC and tried again and it did start spinning. However still no display. Fans on all components i.e. gfx card, PSU, CPU are all working - so no problem there. I swapped my psu & gfx card with ones from my previous PC - still nothing. Tried with just 1 RAM stick and then the next - nothing.
Three is nothing else that I could.

Do a bench test/bread boarding then. Take everything out of the case and try.

S

Buy only Asus & Gigabyte.

J

Ok. Update.
Did the bench test after which I took it over to a service center about 10 days ago. Today they called and said that it couldn't be repaired - something about the bios shorting out. Looks like a new motherboard for me then

That Gigabyte B450M DS3H suggested earlier should be fine for cheap.

J

Can you guys suggest a good ASUS motherboard. I have a service center in my town and never had problems with a previous one that I had.
Also an MSI board has been suggested above. How good are they now. I had heard earlier that their after sales service is not that good.
One more thing: b450 or b550
Any specific advantages choosing newer b550?

There are not a lot of Asus B450s available in the market.
B450M A II is there, and it's good enough. TUF B450M Pro is bit expensive, for the price you could get B550.

john.varghese.5099 said:
Can you guys suggest a good ASUS motherboard. I have a service center in my town and never had problems with a previous one that I had.
Also an MSI board has been suggested above. How good are they now. I had heard earlier that their after sales service is not that good.
One more thing: b450 or b550
Any specific advantages choosing newer b550?

B550s have PCIe 4.0 and better IO. On the higher end B550s, you'll see other goodies like better audio codecs, more M.2 slots and more tweakable BIOS options. Most of these aren't relevant. Apart from these, there is not much of a point in going with B550s, at least in the budget builds.

Asus Prime B450M A II is a good board, it has a BIOS flashback button (which other budget boards lack), which might not sound like a big deal but can come in handy in skewed situations.

john.varghese.5099 said:
Can you guys suggest a good ASUS motherboard. I have a service center in my town and never had problems with a previous one that I had.
Also an MSI board has been suggested above. How good are they now. I had heard earlier that their after sales service is not that good.
One more thing: b450 or b550
Any specific advantages choosing newer b550?

Do you plan to upgrade CPU to say 5600X or 5800X3D in future? If yes, get at least a good budget B550 like MSI B550M Pro VDH WiFi for under 11k. Asus TUF is good, cheaper ones are not.

Else, B450 is enough, save money.

200W is an unrealistic power draw for anything other than an OC'd R9 5950X. 5800X3D barely consumes 110W on full load if I remember correctly.

J

After a lot of contemplation(like I always do) I went ahead with asus tuf b450m pro 2. It has good audio as per spec. Initially I thought of going ahead with MSI B550M pro vdh, but after seeing quite a few negative reviews I dropped the thought. Well I hope I'm right.
Anyway guys, thanks for all your suggestions and advices.

john.varghese.5099 said:
After a lot of contemplation(like I always do) I went ahead with asus tuf b450m pro 2. It has good audio as per spec. Initially I thought of going ahead with MSI B550M pro vdh, but after seeing quite a few negative reviews I dropped the thought. Well I hope I'm right.
Anyway guys, thanks for all your suggestions and advices.

You should have gone with B550 but anyways congrats.

john.varghese.5099 said:
After a lot of contemplation(like I always do) I went ahead with asus tuf b450m pro 2. It has good audio as per spec. Initially I thought of going ahead with MSI B550M pro vdh, but after seeing quite a few negative reviews I dropped the thought. Well I hope I'm right.
Anyway guys, thanks for all your suggestions and advices.

MSI B550M Pro VDH WiFi is the best VFM B550 out there. If you bought Asus B450 above 7-8k, it is definitely not worth it for all reasons except aesthetics. Great buy, if at 7k.