Need to build a professional PC

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Hi All,

My brother is an architect by profession. And he needs a Desktop to do his work.

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
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He will be mainly using the PC for designing and rendering softwares.

Autocad 2013, 3dsmax, Revit architecture, archicadd, photoshop cs5, maya, rhino, google sketchup, blender, adobe illustrater, windows movie maker, adobe reader, vlc player, km player

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans:
25,000.

I can extend the budget by another 25,000 if needed. The configuration should be good enough for his work.

3. Planning to overclock?
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Yes, when the softwares demand it.

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
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windos 8

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
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1tb

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans:
no

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
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graphics card ATI Radeon HD 4650
logitec keyboard
microsoft mouse
LG re-writable dvd drive

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
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next week

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
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assembler

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
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earnakulam or bangalore
buying locally,
oline shopping also possible

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
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Should get good performance while rendering in 3dsmax and working in photoshop and autocad.

So can we consider the total budget as 50K? Because at 25K budget, powerful rig required here can't be created.

FX 8350 - 12k
Asus m5a97 evo - 7k
Corsair vengeance 4gb - 2.2k
WD cavier blue 1 tb - 3.8k
NZXT gamma-2.2k if not available then elite 430
Seasonic s12 520 watt - 3.5
Sapphire HD 7950 2GB @ 17K

total 47.7k
add one more 4gb ram
when you plan to overclock add CM hyper 212 @ 2.2k
rest money for case fans
which monitor you have???

ankush28 said:
FX 8350 - 12k
Asus m5a97 evo - 7k
Corsair vengeance 4gb - 2.2k
WD cavier blue 1 tb - 3.8k
NZXT gamma-2.2k if not available then elite 430
Seasonic s12 520 watt - 3.5
Sapphire HD 7950 2GB @ 17K

total 47.7k
add one more 4gb ram
when you plan to overclock add CM hyper 212 @ 2.2k
rest money for case fans
which monitor you have???

Very Beautiful config.. :-D

(+1 for this rig )

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Cilus said:
So can we consider the total budget as 50K? Because at 25K budget, powerful rig required here can't be created.

Yes, if the rig cannot be built with 25,000, I can extend another 25,000.

ankush28 said:
FX 8350 - 12k
Asus m5a97 evo - 7k
Corsair vengeance 4gb - 2.2k
WD cavier blue 1 tb - 3.8k
NZXT gamma-2.2k if not available then elite 430
Seasonic s12 520 watt - 3.5
Sapphire HD 7950 2GB @ 17K

total 47.7k
add one more 4gb ram
when you plan to overclock add CM hyper 212 @ 2.2k
rest money for case fans
which monitor you have???

Thanks Ankush, I am not sure about the monitor. I will check with my brother and let you know.

Is the graphics card ATI Radeon HD 4650 compatible with this rig? Or does he need to get another one?

Does intel processors perform better than FX 8350 in rendering and for the softwares that he is using? No need to worry about the game performance.

ankush28 said:
FX 8350 - 12k
Asus m5a97 evo - 7k
Corsair vengeance 4gb - 2.2k
WD cavier blue 1 tb - 3.8k
NZXT gamma-2.2k if not available then elite 430
Seasonic s12 520 watt - 3.5
Sapphire HD 7950 2GB @ 17K

total 47.7k
add one more 4gb ram
when you plan to overclock add CM hyper 212 @ 2.2k
rest money for case fans
which monitor you have???

I think you are referring HD 7870 XT here. 7950 isn't available @ 17K

guys why suggesting a gpu as he already have a" graphics card ATI Radeon HD 4650. "
That card has Open GL 3.2 support.

@op get a 1TB WD Black Drive

& an APC 1.1KVA UPS

some modification to ankush's rig
FX 8350 - 12k
Asus m5a97 evo - 7k
Corsair vengeance 4gbx2
WD cavier black1 tb
NZXT gamma-2.2k if not available then elite 430
Seasonic s12 520 watt - 3.5
& an APC 1.1KVA UPS

Cilus said:
I think you are referring HD 7870 XT here. 7950 isn't available @ 17K

yeah

my bad.

vyamoham said:
Does intel processors perform better than FX 8350 in rendering and for the softwares that he is using? No need to worry about the game performance.

Few i7 can perform better then FX 8350 but when FX 8350 is overclocked 4.3-4.5ghz it performs far better then non-'K' i7 which costs 6-7k more.

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ankush28 said:
yeah
Few i7 can perform better then FX 8350 but when FX 8350 is overclocked 4.3-4.5ghz it performs far better then non-'K' i7 which costs 6-7k more.

If i7 gives better performance and is more productive, is there an i7 configuration that I can get from my budget? Or how much more should I extend my budget, if I need an i7 rig.

^^ Compromise with graphic card (get 650ti or HD 7770) get and get 4th gen i7 (avilability is issue)

ankush28 said:
yeah
my bad.

Few i7 can perform better then FX 8350 but when FX 8350 is overclocked 4.3-4.5ghz it performs far better then non-'K' i7 which costs 6-7k more.

that is epic :shock:

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ankush28 said:
^^ Compromise with graphic card (get 650ti or HD 7770) get and get 4th gen i7 (avilability is issue)

For now, my brother can use ATI Radeon HD 4650. And update the graphics card in near future. Could you suggest such a configuration? I have checked in bangalore. i7 4770 is available @ 19,000. And how would it compare to FX 8350 build? How much more budget is required for that?

Thanks.

i7-4770 @ 19k or i7-4770k
Asus GRYPHON Z87 @ 13.5

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ankush28 said:
i7-4770 @ 19k or i7-4770k
Asus GRYPHON Z87 @ 13.5

Everything else the same?
i7-4770 @ 19k or i7-4770k
Asus GRYPHON Z87 @ 13.5
Corsair vengeance 4gbx2
WD cavier black1 tb
NZXT gamma-2.2k
Seasonic s12 520 watt - 3.5k
& an APC 1.1KVA UPS

That would come around 45,000.

Will this build work with "ATI Radeon HD 4650" graphics card for now? Can update the graphics card soon.

For his requirements this configuration is better than 8350, right?

If you don't mind, what is the difference between Blue and Black HDD?

vyamoham said:
Everything else the same?
i7-4770 @ 19k or i7-4770k
Asus GRYPHON Z87 @ 13.5
Corsair vengeance 4gbx2
WD cavier black1 tb
NZXT gamma-2.2k
Seasonic s12 520 watt - 3.5k
& an APC 1.1KVA UPS

That would come around 45,000.

Will this build work with "ATI Radeon HD 4650" graphics card for now? Can update the graphics card soon.

For his requirements this configuration is better than 8350, right?

If you don't mind, what is the difference between Blue and Black HDD?

Yes you can use hd 4650 with this config

Yes it is better than fx 8350 for your work.

Black is way faster than blue one

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For rendering, you want as much RAM as possible. Get two 8GB sticks for now so that you can max out your board's capacity.

Also, since this is a workstation, overclocking is not a great idea as stability is of utmost importance. So, I suggest you get a non-k Ivy Bridge i7 and a B75 or H77 motherboard (or wait for their Haswell versions). Or you can take a look at my sig- the Xeon I'm using is basically an i7 3770(non-k) but without the integrated graphics and consumes lesser power too and costs the same as an i5 3570K. Easily beats any i5 or FX processor.

^^ dont you think B75 mobo that you have is not much suitable for workstations. OP should go for either FX or haswell i7, with sturdy mobo suggested

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B75 boards are fully featured and meant for businesses and stability. There is no performance difference at stock speeds between B75, H77 or Z77. Having built many PCs over the years, I can tell you that all the extra bling you see in high-end boards are mostly marketing gimmicks and don't make them "sturdy".

OP would be far better off spending the extra 10k on other components such as a bigger and better monitor or even a dual monitor setup.

@op what bikramjitkar has suggested is very good. If you go dual monitor setup on one monitor you can have your settings & preview in other monitor. This setup really helps.

Why not go for Quadro instead of consumer cards?

^^ it will fit in that budget

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Hi,

Today, I am going to get the PC. Just checked the hardware requirements for running the Autodesk software.

Windows® 8 64-bit Enterprise or Professional edition, or Windows 7 64-bit Enterprise, Ultimate, Professional, or Home Premium edition operating system
Multicore Xeon or i-Series processor or AMD equivalent with SSE2 technology (highest affordable CPU speed rating recommended)
Multiple cores for many tasks, up to 16 cores for near-photorealistic rendering operations
8 GB RAM (Usually sufficient for a typical editing session for a single model up to approximately 300 MB on disk. This estimate is based on internal testing and customer reports. Individual models will vary in their use of computer resources and performance characteristics.)
Models created in previous versions of Revit software products may require more available memory for the one-time upgrade process
5 GB free disk space
1,680 x 1,050 monitor with true color
DirectX 11 capable graphics card with Shader Model 3 as recommended by Autodesk
Internet Explorer 7 (or later)
MS-Mouse or 3Dconnexion-compliant device
Download or installation from DVD9 or USB key
Internet connectivity for license registration and prerequisite component download

Can you please check the requirements and let me know if it is fine to go for AMD based configuration.

Does the graphics card ATI Radeon HD 4650 have DirectX 11 capable graphics card with Shader Model 3? I dont know what that means. If it doesn't please let me know a card that is capable of DirectX 11.

I checked the local prices in Bangalore. It is as below.

AMD FX 8350 - 11150
M5A97 EVO R2.0 - 7150
GSKIL RIPJAWS 8GB (1600MHz) - 4200
WD 1TB CAVIER BLUE HDD - 3775
SEASONIC 620 WATTS PSU - 5050
ASUS 24X DVD WRITER - 1000
NZXT GAMMA / NZXT SOURCE 210 / Corasair 300R - 2300/ 3000/ Need to check

ADD 5.5 % VAT EXTRA ON THE PRICE

I have put a budget of 4000 for the cabinet. If corsair 300R is available for 4000, I would get that. Otherwise, I will get NZXT Source 210.

Cost- 36325
VAT - 2000

The total cost is less 38323 including assembling.

Are these components okay? and prices are right? Is there scope for bargaining in any of the components?

Thanks for all the responses.

very nice pricing.

if you want options from intel:-
i7-4770k - 22500
Asus GRYPHON Z87 - 13500
GSKIL RIPJAWS 8GB (1600MHz) - 4200
WD 1TB CAVIER BLUE HDD - 3775
SEASONIC 620 WATTS PSU - 5050
ASUS 24X DVD WRITER - 1000
total - 50,025 this can beat FX 8350, hyperthreading support plus few newer instruction sets
plus you are getting latest haswell based config
So this is best for you IMO
add a good professional graphics Quadroo or firepro in future to maximize performence
edit:-
Plus nzxt gamma @ 2.2k

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Thanks Ankush,

I wish I could have gone for Haswell rig. But I have budget constraints now. I have only 45000 rs + some change with me now. If I wait for 2-3 more days, i would get my salary and could afford the Haswell machine. But I dont have time on my side. Tommorow, I am going to my native and have promised my brother I would get the PC this week. So I have to build the machine today.

By my calculation the rig will cost around 38.500. If there is any upgrade that I can do with 45,000, I am open to that. What about adding a 64/128GB SSD? Would that be good?

Thanks.

Or I have another option. If Haswell is really that good, I can arrange 10K from some of my friends for few days.

OP, the AMD configuration you have selected is real good. Just get a CPU cooler like Hyper 212 EVO or DeppCool IceBlade Pro. These kind of CPU cooler will let you run the FX-8350 @ 4.5 GHz+ all the time. It will show some real performance boost in the applications you have mentioned.

my vote Go for haswell dont OC your your processor too much IMO it is not good for workstation.(dont know about others opinion)
Adding 128gb ssd Samsung 840 pro as OS and softwares drive will add more performence

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Hi Cilus,

Thanks for the reply. I have arranged some money from one of my friends for 2 days. I have some more budget now. I can spend up to 55k. I am not sure whether i7 4770K is available in bangalore. I will check that. Any ways since rig is for his professional use, I would like to buy what is good. If i7 4770K is good and is available then I will take that.

Please let me know the best configuration that 55k can buy(Excluding the graphics card).

Whether to go for FX 8350, i7 4770K or some Muticore Xeon processor(I have no idea what these are. Are these very costly?). I checked the processor in bikramjitkar's sig. PassMark - Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 @ 3.30GHz - Price performance comparison says FX 8350 is better than Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 @ 3.30GHz. Now I am confused. I have to leave to SP road by 4:30.

So please help me to finalize the rig that I can get for 55k. The rig is not for gaming. It is for animation, 3d rendering, designing etc.. Just to highlight.. The softwares he will be using are "Autocad 2013, 3dsmax, Revit architecture, archicadd, photoshop cs5, maya, rhino, google sketchup, blender, adobe illustrater, windows movie maker, adobe reader, vlc player, km player"..

Thanks

If you are going with Intel Config the Ankush28's configuration based on Haswell is really great and Xeon Processors are not needed here.

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Thanks Everyone..

I checked whether i7 4770k is available in bangalore. And it is available for 21.5k

So my final configuration is:

i7-4770k - 21500
Asus GRYPHON Z87 - 13800
GSKIL RIPJAWS 8GB (1600MHz) - 4200
WD 1TB CAVIER BLUE HDD - 3775
SEASONIC 620 WATTS PSU - 5050
ASUS 24X DVD WRITER - 1000
NZXT GAMMA / NZXT SOURCE 210 / Corasair 300R - 2300/ 3000/ Need to check

Cost - 53325
VAT - 2932.875

Total - 56257.875

Total comes around 56000 including the tax. I have not bargained on this. Probably, I will try to make this lower.

If possible I will get a Samsung 128 GB 840 pro SSD. So he can install the OS also in that now itself, than upgrading later.

If I understood correctly, the AMD rig will not work without a discrete graphics card. I think the i7 4770k comes with integrated GPU. ATI Radeon HD 4650 graphics card makes any sense in the build? Probably the integrated graphics itself might be better than 4650. Or is it required? Tell me if I am wrong.

Thanks again..

vyamoham said:
Thanks Everyone..

I checked whether i7 4770k is available in bangalore. And it is available for 21.5k

So my final configuration is:

i7-4770k - 21500
Asus GRYPHON Z87 - 13800
GSKIL RIPJAWS 8GB (1600MHz) - 4200
WD 1TB CAVIER BLUE HDD - 3775
SEASONIC 620 WATTS PSU - 5050
ASUS 24X DVD WRITER - 1000
NZXT GAMMA / NZXT SOURCE 210 / Corasair 300R - 2300/ 3000/ Need to check

Cost - 53325
VAT - 2932.875

Total - 56257.875

Total comes around 56000 including the tax. I have not bargained on this. Probably, I will try to make this lower.

If possible I will get a Samsung 128 GB 840 pro SSD. So he can install the OS also in that now itself, than upgrading later.

If I understood correctly, the AMD rig will not work without a discrete graphics card. I think the i7 4770k comes with integrated GPU. ATI Radeon HD 4650 graphics card makes any sense in the build? Probably the integrated graphics itself might be better than 4650. Or is it required? Tell me if I am wrong.

Thanks again..

Yes, all consumer grade Intel cpus come with IGP. however, during heavy cpu workloads, the desktop responsiveness may decrease. About performance, a discreet GPPU will provide better accelerations than an IGP in the softwares you have mentioned, so use that graphic card and upgrade soon.

imo a 620W PSU will be wastage. you can very well do with a 500-550W PSU.

and instead of buying an intel with iGPU @ 21.5k, its better to go for the FX8350+7770/7750 @21K. much better IMO.

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Hi All,

Thanks for all the responses.
I bought the system last friday. I got the i7 4770k based build. The total cost was 65,000 (including 128GB Corsair Neutron SSD).

The system is up and running. Thank you all for all the help.

Thanks

^ Congrats

^^Which cabby ??
Pics

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I got Corsair 400R cabinet. The PC is at my native. Once I go there, I will the pics.

Thanks all..

Well just 1 small question..
Why did you get Corsair Neutron GTX instead of Samsung SSD840 pro?? (Cheaper & faster)

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Samsung SSD840 pro was not available.

oooh.. you could have waited a bit
or
Samsung 840 Pro Series 128 GB SSD Internal Hard Drive (MZ-7PD128BW) - Samsung: Flipkart.com

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Corsair Neutron GTX 128 GB cost around 8000

Not bad..
I mean thats rather good.. GTX comes very close to SSD840pro barring a few tests
nice rig btw

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Hi All,

Something bad happened. Yesterday, when my brother switched on the computer, a sound came and the PC wont start. MCB also got off. He has been using the computer for 2 days. The system went down yesterday night only.

After that he tried to jumpstart the PSU using a paper clip(:::: Sea Sonic ::::). The power supply fan is not running. I think some issue is there with the PSU(Seasonic s12 520 watt). How do I get it repaired/replaced? He is in Cochin. Do I need to bring it to Bangalore to get it done? Or is there a way he can do it in Cochin itself.

He says, he can see a green light in motherboard. I hope nothing has happened to Processor and Motherboard.

Thanks

vyamoham said:
MCB also got off

He says, he can see a green light in motherboard. I hope nothing has happened to Processor and Motherboard.

MCB off means heavy current which in turn means short..

Mobo light glowing??
try resetting CMOS

Check the cables for cut or accidental contact. Rewiire all connections and don't dun too many devices on a single extension board.

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harshilsharma63 said:
Rewiire all connections and don't dun too many devices on a single extension board.

What do you mean by this? The connections were done by an assembler. It was working fine for 2 days. The problem happened yesterday. If it was problem with wiring, then we should have known about this at the beginning itself right?

Will check for any cuts in the wire.

If it is a faulty PSU, how can I get it replaced? Can it be done in Cochin? Anyone?

vyamoham said:
What do you mean by this? The connections were done by an assembler. It was working fine for 2 days. The problem happened yesterday. If it was problem with wiring, then we should have known about this at the beginning itself right?

Will check for any cuts in the wire.

If it is a faulty PSU, how can I get it replaced? Can it be done in Cochin? Anyone?

By rewiring all connections, I mean to remove all cables and insert them again (just in case). If it comes out to be a faulty PSU, you can RMA it. Are you using UPS?