Need your suggestions!!

So the thing is, I was thinking of getting a R9 270X/ GTX 760 this March. But after talking to people about it, I realised that my CPU AMD Athlon II X4 640 will be the cause of bottleneck with any card powerful than 650TI/ 7850. So that means I have to get a new CPU too .
Please note that I have a CM GX 450W 85+ Bronze PSU (not the old GX series, that was pretty much cr@p).

So, if I overclock my CPU to reduce/remove bottleneck, then I dont think my PSU will able to cope up with OCed CPU and a GPU of that range. (or will it be able to? )
Or I can just sell off my current setup to get a new one, but it will cost me very much and I'm not in favour of doing this.
Even if I get a new PSU so as to accommodate OCed CPU (at least 3.4ghz from 3ghz), the new problem will be of temperature. Right now I have a CM Elite 335 cabinet.... not to expect anything good from it.

So what should I do? Even if plan to get all the rig a new one, I wont be doing it in one go, since I'll be purchasing all the stuff from my own balance this time

Need ideas guys !!

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Now it all depends on how much are you content with. If you want a good graphic rendering for medium settings (high enough but not maxed out), you can still choose to pick up a 650TI/7850.
But if you think you want a little more than that as well as some future proofing of an year or so, you can go ahead and replace your chassis and the contents. Remember, a good PSU and chassis can stay longer. And CPU will have to be updated at some point of time soon.

Whichever case, you will have to change your PSU to a better unit.

Couple of things that I wanna know - Your budget and your gaming resolution?

Well I never was fond of extreme settings gaming since my eyes starts to ache at those glorious settings

This is the main reason I cant play games like COD/ BF/ AC/ Crysis etc at max settings. I will be getting 22"screen not just for gaming but so as to watch full HD movies too.So consider 1080p with high textures with no or 2x AA.. thats all I need, nothing special.

Regarding budget, well I was planning to go for 760 and 22"LCD. I think it was 25K for GPU + LCD.And another 5K for PSU for worst case scenarios. But now I'm getting a feeling of changing my whole PC setup, thats why confused

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Piyush said:
Well I never was fond of extreme settings gaming since my eyes starts to ache at those glorious settings
This is the main reason I cant play games like COD/ BF/ AC/ Crysis etc at max settings. I will be getting 22"screen not just for gaming but so as to watch full HD movies too.So consider 1080p with high textures with no or 2x AA.. thats all I need, nothing special.

Regarding budget, well I was planning to go for 760 and 22"LCD. I think it was 25K for GPU + LCD.And another 5K for PSU for worst case scenarios. But now I'm getting a feeling of changing my whole PC setup, thats why confused

Now with that understanding, I still believe putting anything coupled to your Athlon is an investment that you make which you know is a loss. Its dated and more importantly, limits your purchase and bottlenecks it

If you consider to get your budget up (may be in installments), you can upgrade the system, starting with a good PSU, then choose your CPU and the GPU. Plan on your maximum budget for all and the buying sequence.

Piyush said:
Well I never was fond of extreme settings gaming since my eyes starts to ache at those glorious settings
This is the main reason I cant play games like COD/ BF/ AC/ Crysis etc at max settings. I will be getting 22"screen not just for gaming but so as to watch full HD movies too.So consider 1080p with high textures with no or 2x AA.. thats all I need, nothing special.

Regarding budget, well I was planning to go for 760 and 22"LCD. I think it was 25K for GPU + LCD.And another 5K for PSU for worst case scenarios. But now I'm getting a feeling of changing my whole PC setup, thats why confused

First you get this stuff and test yourself,whether you are satisfied or not.In most gpu demanding games it will not bottleneck

else change setup later

Hmm thank you for your inputs guys. Will bump this thread soon if I get new idea or something.

I have the same processor and Radeon 6850. The processor will definitely be a bottleneck. Battlefield 3 and most similar modern games have 100% CPU use, even though I've managed to OC the processor to 3.15 GHz (max I could get it stable on). You should definitely get at least an i3 IMO to prevent the processor from being a bottleneck.

Hmm if you are saying all this after experiencing on first hand, then I think its necessary for me to get my CPU upgrade.
Also, recently heard about new AMD Mantle, will have to wait a bit now...

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Piyush said:
Hmm if you are saying all this after experiencing on first hand, then I think its necessary for me to get my CPU upgrade.
Also, recently heard about new AMD Mantle, will have to wait a bit now...

If you are waiting for mantle to emerge, the wait might be long and may prove useless too. My reasons to says so -

1) For now AMD has only listed HD 7xxx and 8xxx series alongside R2xx cards. And so getting a 7850 is your only option without upgrading the CPU. But this doesnt mean your CPU doesnt bottleneck the cards performance as mantle is an API that uses the GPU to render the processing in place of the CPU doing it. (I donno if I have put it right and am conveying my point).
2) Mantle is still an experimental API which is yet to be evolved and adapted by the game developers and so long way to go.

I dunno anything about Mantle and its architecture advantages/working/limitations. But one think I'm now sure off is that my CPU is like EOL product now. I should better upgrade my Cpu+mobo+PSU first, no?
Then I can get GPU accordingly.

Piyush said:
So the thing is, I was thinking of getting a R9 270X/ GTX 760 this March. But after talking to people about it, I realised that my CPU AMD Athlon II X4 640 will be the cause of bottleneck with any card powerful than 650TI/ 7850. So that means I have to get a new CPU too .
Please note that I have a CM GX 450W 85+ Bronze PSU (not the old GX series, that was pretty much cr@p).

So, if I overclock my CPU to reduce/remove bottleneck, then I dont think my PSU will able to cope up with OCed CPU and a GPU of that range. (or will it be able to? )
Or I can just sell off my current setup to get a new one, but it will cost me very much and I'm not in favour of doing this.
Even if I get a new PSU so as to accommodate OCed CPU (at least 3.4ghz from 3ghz), the new problem will be of temperature. Right now I have a CM Elite 335 cabinet.... not to expect anything good from it.

So what should I do? Even if plan to get all the rig a new one, I wont be doing it in one go, since I'll be purchasing all the stuff from my own balance this time
Need ideas guys !!

Your cpu isn't too bad-i think it will be able to run most games pretty well (at medium settings and lower resolutions,say 900p or below),if you have a good gpu and atleast 4-6gb of ram.If you have a large budget then you may upgrade all the components at one go,otherwise you can just upgrade the gpu for now and buy the remaining items later.

Hmm... I'm confused all over again

Well I'll post here if I made any decision

how about this?(i suggest this)
you keep your monitor as for now...and get this
AMD FX 6300-7.6k
Gigabyte 970A-DS3- 5.2k
seasonic 520w psu-~5k
Sapphire r9270x 2gb/HIS r9 270x iceq 2gb - 15k
NZXT source 210- 2.5k
total ~35k...

Scavenge RAM and HDD from old PC..
then sell off you PC to get some money...
then with the money acquired get dell s2240l for 8.5k~ and use the remaining for new RIG..
you can enjoy 1080p movies + games at ultra/high settings
youll have a better and futureproof rig...
^IMO

^the main problem with fx series is there has been many cases of heating issues so better get a cpu cooler too..

i think stock cooler will be fine, even for mild OC's

BTW guys how are these 2?
Seasonic eco 500w-3.7k
Antec VP550p-3.8k
if thewse are good then op can go for these..

pkkumarcool said:
^the main problem with fx series is there has been many cases of heating issues so better get a cpu cooler too..

post the link..

Fx 6300' stock cooler is enough for Non oc. but not recommended for mild OC.

pkkumarcool said:
^the main problem with fx series is there has been many cases of heating issues so better get a cpu cooler too..

No such heating issues, but they are very loud under full load

I have been using AMD Cpu since 10 yrs now. They dont overheat as the people say. But yea.. they are loud indeed under load.
Also, what about tdp pf AMD Cpus these days? The one you are suggesting

FX-6300 has 95W TDP.

My experience referred to playing on 1080p (BF3 Multiplayer still lagged on 1680*1050 though), most games including Battlefield 3 Single Player run fine on lower resolutions. The problem is probably with increased CPU load while playing multiplayer on newer games. For most newer SP games the processor should be fine below 1080p.

Which CPU and GPU?

Piyush said:
Which CPU and GPU?

post #7..i think he is talking about it..not sure

I have the same processor and Radeon 6850

Hmm I see

Back again.
So, I wont be adding a new PSU or a CPU . That means I only require a GPU under 15K.
Options avb to me are R7 265 (130W TDP) , R9 270 (150W TDP) and R9 270X (180W TDP). My PSU is CM GX 450W 80+ Bronze, it will be able to provide fuel for 270X but the thing is I wont be able to think of any minor upgrades. I will be adding another 500gb/ 1tb hdd later. And might also OC my CPU a lil bit (because as [MENTION=92420]SlashDK[/MENTION] told me about his multiplayer exp)
Now [MENTION=68896]Cilus[/MENTION] suggested me that I should go for R9 270X and downclock it by 100Mhz. Will this lower the max TDP of this card to the levels of R9 270? And what benefits do I get by getting 270X and down clocking it?

Apart from this I'll be buying a new monitor 21.5-22" from either Dell, AOC or BenQ.
What should I take into consideration while choosing monitor. I\ll be gaming only most of the time apart from browsing and movies. Wont do much programming or editing stuff since I have a laptop for that.

It will lower the power consumption. R9 270 is nothing but a downlclocked 270X. Every other specification is exact same for those two cards.

Piyush said:
Back again.
So, I wont be adding a new PSU or a CPU . That means I only require a GPU under 15K.
Options avb to me are R7 265 (130W TDP) , R9 270 (150W TDP) and R9 270X (180W TDP). My PSU is CM GX 450W 80+ Bronze, it will be able to provide fuel for 270X but the thing is I wont be able to think of any minor upgrades. I will be adding another 500gb/ 1tb hdd later. And might also OC my CPU a lil bit (because as [MENTION=92420]SlashDK[/MENTION] told me about his multiplayer exp)
Now [MENTION=68896]Cilus[/MENTION] suggested me that I should go for R9 270X and downclock it by 100Mhz. Will this lower the max TDP of this card to the levels of R9 270? And what benefits do I get by getting 270X and down clocking it?

Apart from this I'll be buying a new monitor 21.5-22" from either Dell, AOC or BenQ.
What should I take into consideration while choosing monitor. I\ll be gaming only most of the time apart from browsing and movies. Wont do much programming or editing stuff since I have a laptop for that.

dell s2240l not recommended for gaming for movies and stuff its ok but not for gaming................. telling from personal experience so far...........

gta0gagan said:
dell s2240l not recommended for gaming for movies and stuff its ok but not for gaming................. telling from personal experience so far...........

Hmm.. I read this somewhere too...
Gamiing is good on VA type monitors, thats what I read.
That means BenQ monitor I linked above seems better. Its 1K cheaper too

Piyush said:
Hmm.. I read this somewhere too...
Gamiing is good on VA type monitors, thats what I read.
That means BenQ monitor I linked above seems better. Its 1K cheaper too

idk why but in mine screen tearing occurs like 75% screen would be different from the rest 25% for some frames.........u could actually see a visible line made by that.....ruins the experience.........

also the inbuilt gaming mode of this monitor sucks real bad..........

So I ended up getting R7 265 (Sorry [MENTION=68896]Cilus[/MENTION] I made this decision even after your suggestions). I actually wanted to go for 270 but it was out of stock from MD. Other store had almost 1k-1.5k price gap .
Then I thought whats the point of going to R9 series when all I'm going to play is Dota

and occasionally other games. I also have to order a netbook for mom so I had to cut into budget of mine...
Btw I also ordered BenQ 21.5" screen since it still is a good choice when its priced at 7.5K only as compared to Dell 8.5k and AoC 9.5k .
Anywyas thanks for your help..all of you

rijinpk1 said:
post the link..

he said AMD overheats that's it . You dare question him?

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gta0gagan said:
idk why but in mine screen tearing occurs like 75% screen would be different from the rest 25% for some frames.........u could actually see a visible line made by that.....ruins the experience.........

also the inbuilt gaming mode of this monitor sucks real bad..........

screen tearing caused by monitor??? Correct me if I am wrong but afaik it's GPU's drawing capability that causes screen tearing.

avinandan012 said:
he said AMD overheats that's it . You dare question him?

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screen tearing caused by monitor??? Correct me if I am wrong but afaik it's GPU's drawing capability that causes screen tearing.

I am using the same monitor and till date I have not faced any tearing issues.

avinandan012 said:
he said AMD overheats that's it . You dare question him?

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screen tearing caused by monitor??? Correct me if I am wrong but afaik it's GPU's drawing capability that causes screen tearing.

then i think my gpu drawing capabilities would be too low to play even normal videos..............

gta0gagan said:
then i think my gpu drawing capabilities would be too low to play even normal videos..............

You do realize the fact that screen tearing is happening because when your GPU draws faster than the monitor and a frame is out of sync.which means for example you are playing a game which the GPU is phenomenally capable of rendering at more than 60 FPS at high+ settings and you have a 60hz monitor where you are getting 100-120 FPS and also have v-sync off.

Screen tearing occurs when you have parts of two or more frames on the screen at the same time. This will be most apparent in a game that is generating hundreds of frames while you turn around quickly; you will see the bottom of the screen out of alignment with the top of the screen, as if it were trying to catch up.

Now what you are claiming that the GPU is too weak or the monitor is buggy, both are highly unlikely, screen tearing by far mostly happens when you are playing a less demanding game with more FPS than the refresh rate of the monitor --meaning your GPU is okay, not otherwise, because before that your eyes would be too busy to be worried about 20-30 FPS and laggy gameplay and also it does not makes sense that below 60FPS screen tearing is happening or how, until the game engine is really really bad and screwed up you CAN NOT notice tearing in that FPS bracket.

better tell us which game you are playing at what settings and how much FPS you are getting etc etc and the same experience with v-sync on

sam_738844 said:
You do realize the fact that screen tearing is happening because when your GPU draws faster than the monitor and a frame is out of sync.which means for example you are playing a game which the GPU is phenomenally capable of rendering at more than 60 FPS at high+ settings and you have a 60hz monitor where you are getting 100-120 FPS and also have v-sync off.

Screen tearing occurs when you have parts of two or more frames on the screen at the same time. This will be most apparent in a game that is generating hundreds of frames while you turn around quickly; you will see the bottom of the screen out of alignment with the top of the screen, as if it were trying to catch up.

Now what you are claiming that the GPU is too weak or the monitor is buggy, both are highly unlikely, screen tearing by far mostly happens when you are playing a less demanding game with more FPS than the refresh rate of the monitor --meaning your GPU is okay, not otherwise, because before that your eyes would be too busy to be worried about 20-30 FPS and laggy gameplay and also it does not makes sense that below 60FPS screen tearing is happening or how, until the game engine is really really bad and screwed up you CAN NOT notice tearing in that FPS bracket.

better tell us which game you are playing at what settings and how much FPS you are getting etc etc and the same experience with v-sync on

i think it was tomb raider ultra preset with virtu mvp in d mode ........

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and ya it mostly occurs during normal video not during gameplay like cut scenes or intro video its its not occurring that much........ i think the problem is with my hdmi cable since everyone is telling monitor is ok........

gta0gagan said:
i think it was tomb raider ultra preset with virtu mvp in d mode ........

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and ya it mostly occurs during normal video not during gameplay like cut scenes or intro video its its not occurring that much........ i think the problem is with my hdmi cable since everyone is telling monitor is ok........

buggy game engine also can cause tearing

avinandan012 said:
he said AMD overheats that's it . You dare question him?

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what i heard is that amd fx6300 stock cooler is enough even for a small overclock of few mhz. that simply means it should be fine on the stock speed. so there could be something wrong somewhere for the overheating. so i asked him to post a link saying fx6300 actually overheats.

There is no overheating issue with FX-6300 as it comes with the same copper pipe based cooler comes with FX-8320 and 8350. And it is also 95W TDP Processor and can be overclocked around 300MHz over the stock speed with the stock cooler.