New build under 70K · DIGIT-ARC

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: Software/mobile development, virtual machines, gaming

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: 70K (+5K)

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: No

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: (Dual Boot) Windows 10 Pro & Linux Mint

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: 256 SSD

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: No, already have LG 27"

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: Monitor, GPU (GTX 960 4GB DDR5), DVD Writer, HDD

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: Within a month

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: Yes

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Delhi

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Build should be future proof for 4-5 years

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AMD RYZEN 7 2700-23,000
MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC-12,400
ADATA 8GB DDR4 RGB AX4U300038G16-SRSX2-12,000
ADATA XPG SX8200 240GB PCIe Gen3x4 M.2 2280 SSD ASX8200NP-240GT-C- 5,900 (Onlyssd.com)
ANTEC EARTHWATTS GOLD PRO 650W-6,900
Corsair SPEC 3 Red-3,800

Minion said:
AMD RYZEN 7 2700-23,000
MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC-12,400
ADATA 8GB DDR4 RGB AX4U300038G16-SRSX2-12,000
ADATA XPG SX8200 240GB PCIe Gen3x4 M.2 2280 SSD ASX8200NP-240GT-C- 5,900 (Onlyssd.com)
ANTEC EARTHWATTS GOLD PRO 650W-6,900
Corsair SPEC 3 Red-3,800

Thanks @Minion, could you please suggest with Intel processor and 16GB of ram.

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intel i5 9600k----26200
MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON Motherboard (Intel Socket 1151/9th And 8th Generation Core Series CPU/Max 64GB DDR4-4400MHz Memory) 18500
CORSAIR CMW16GX4M1D3000C16 Desktop Ram Vengeance RGB Pro Series - 16GB (16GBx1) DDR4 3000MHz 11550

Do note that intel changes its processor socket almost every year so expect next gen processors & mobos to arrive within 2 years from now to replace latest intel 9th gen.You will also be paying more for intel.

Budget -70K (AMD Build)

Processor -AMD Ryzen 7 2700 -27k
Motherboard -MSI B450 Gaming Plus AC -12k
RAM -Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz 16GB(8GBx2) -11k
SSD -Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD -5k
Power Supply -Antec Earthwatts Gold Pro 550w -6k
Cabinet -Antec P8 ATX Cabinet -5k
KB & Mouse -Cooler Master Masterkeys Lite L Combo -4k

Total -70K

Budget -68K (Intel Build)

Processor -Intel Core i5 8600K -23k
Motherboard -Asrock Z370 Killer SLI AC -14k
RAM -Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz 16GB(8GBx2) -11k
SSD -Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD -5k
Power Supply -Antec Earthwatts Gold Pro 550w -6k
Cabinet -Antec P8 ATX Cabinet -5k
KB & Mouse -Cooler Master Masterkeys Lite L Combo -4k

Total -68K

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sxyadii said:
Thanks @Minion, could you please suggest with Intel processor and 16GB of ram.

Its 16 GB RAM dual 8GB stick and why do you need a Intel? Ryzen will perform better in virtual machines due to more no of CPU cores and threads.

Is Intel 9th gen just oced 8th gen ? I havent looked into CPUs recently ?

Minion said:
Its 16 GB RAM dual 8GB stick and why do you need a Intel? Ryzen will perform better in virtual machines due to more no of CPU cores and threads.

I have never used AMD processors. Are there any major differences between 2700 and 2700K? Can you help me to understand about AMD 450 and x470 chipset?

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'k' version ryzen processors are basically a bit higher quality meaning their overclocking potential is more than non-k versions assuming your luck isn't so bad that you get a 'k' version chip which just matches/slightly better than non-k version.

X470 mobos have extra pcie lanes & certain extra features but nothing significant.A good B450 mobo with good VRMs(like msi b450 gaming pro carbon ac) is better than a cheap x470 mobo with avg/poor VRMs(like many x470 gigabyte & asus mobos).

Thank you all. I have decided below configurations. Please share your valuable inputs.

Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 - 24K
Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC - 12.5K
RAM: G.SKILL F4-3200C16D-16GTZR Trident Z RGB Series 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4 3200MHz - 14.8K
SSD: SAMSUNG 970 EVO 250GB M.2 NVMe Internal SSD (MZ-V7E250BW) - 8K
PSU: ANTEC EARTHWATTS GOLD PRO 650W - 7K
Cabinet: Antec P110 LUCE - 7.5K
GPU: GTX 960 4GBDDR5 (Old)

sxyadii said:
Thank you all. I have decided below configurations. Please share your valuable inputs.

Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 - 24K
Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC - 12.5K
RAM: G.SKILL F4-3200C16D-16GTZR Trident Z RGB Series 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4 3200MHz - 14.8K
SSD: SAMSUNG 970 EVO 250GB M.2 NVMe Internal SSD (MZ-V7E250BW) - 8K
PSU: ANTEC EARTHWATTS GOLD PRO 650W - 7K
Cabinet: Antec P110 LUCE - 7.5K
GPU: GTX 960 4GBDDR5 (Old)

Yes, Good config, go with it.

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I suggest getting a single 16gb stick instead of 8gb*2 as your usage may need 32gb in future & 2*16gb performs better than 4*8gb ram on ryzen. Also for the same price of samsung 970 evo 250gb you can get 860 evo 500gb sata ssd,unless you can significantly notice the improvement of NVMe in your usage scenario 500gb 860 evo seems better option.

All good but the boards should always be Gigabyte as first priority!

bssunilreddy said:
Budget -70K (AMD Build)

Processor -AMD Ryzen 7 2700 -27k
Motherboard -MSI B450 Gaming Plus AC -12k
RAM -Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz 16GB(8GBx2) -11k
SSD -Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD -5k
Power Supply -Antec Earthwatts Gold Pro 550w -6k
Cabinet -Antec P8 ATX Cabinet -5k
KB & Mouse -Cooler Master Masterkeys Lite L Combo -4k

Total -70K

Budget -68K (Intel Build)

Processor -Intel Core i5 8600K -23k
Motherboard -Asrock Z370 Killer SLI AC -14k
RAM -Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz 16GB(8GBx2) -11k
SSD -Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD -5k
Power Supply -Antec Earthwatts Gold Pro 550w -6k
Cabinet -Antec P8 ATX Cabinet -5k
KB & Mouse -Cooler Master Masterkeys Lite L Combo -4k

Total -68K

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rockfella said:
All good but the boards should always be Gigabyte as first priority!

Your info is outdated,currently gigabyte comes behind msi & asus(in that order) for ryzen mobos. MSI B450 gaming pro carbon ac is the best ryzen mobo under 15k because of its VRMs.

whitestar_999 said:
Your info is outdated,currently gigabyte comes behind msi & asus(in that order) for ryzen mobos. MSI B450 gaming pro carbon ac is the best ryzen mobo under 15k because of its VRMs.

Any source of that please?
PS: I was not chipset specific.

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Just read any recent reddit thread or youtube reviews of well known overclockers like buildzoid. For Ryzen platform Gigabyte has overall poor/avg VRMs on most of their mobos except for some high end models. For similar price MSI has better VRMs overall & even asus is generally considerd to have better build quality overall so there really is no reason to buy a gigabyte ryzen mobo unless it is the only option.

whitestar_999 said:
Just read any recent reddit thread or youtube reviews of well known overclockers like buildzoid. For Ryzen platform Gigabyte has overall poor/avg VRMs on most of their mobos except for some high end models. For similar price MSI has better VRMs overall & even asus is generally considerd to have better build quality overall so there really is no reason to buy a gigabyte ryzen mobo unless it is the only option.

I am actually glad to hear this. No one company should have monopoly. It is bad for consumers.

whitestar_999 said:
Just read any recent reddit thread or youtube reviews of well known overclockers like buildzoid. For Ryzen platform Gigabyte has overall poor/avg VRMs on most of their mobos except for some high end models. For similar price MSI has better VRMs overall & even asus is generally considerd to have better build quality overall so there really is no reason to buy a gigabyte ryzen mobo unless it is the only option.

I think Corsair SPec 01 is a more value cabinet than Antec P8. Spec 01 is around 2800 INR.

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Depends on budget & user preferences like transparent stylish cases,more fan options or more hdd bays etc.

whitestar_999 said:
Depends on budget & user preferences like transparent stylish cases,more fan options or more hdd bays etc.

Okay. Makes sense.

whitestar_999 said:
Your info is outdated,currently gigabyte comes behind msi & asus(in that order) for ryzen mobos. MSI B450 gaming pro carbon ac is the best ryzen mobo under 15k because of its VRMs.

Asrock is pretty good for Ryzen. But I dunno about the service in India.

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Yes,asrock is good but most ppl here don't know much about it so I usually recommend msi or asus. Its after sales service is now handled by Inspirisys Solutions(formerly accel frontline).

whitestar_999 said:
Yes,asrock is good but most ppl here don't know much about it so I usually recommend msi or asus. Its after sales service is now handled by Inspirisys Solutions(formerly accel frontline).

I bought an Asrock Mobo in 2012 for my i5 3570k but when it's VRM heatsink broke they did not honour the warranty but told me to use glue instead to stick it and so I did.
After my DIY technique worked and there was no problem at all until I sold it to another member from other forum.

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That was 6 years ago(don't know which agency was handling asrock rma back then) & "broken heatsink" will come under physical damage which no warranty covers.

bssunilreddy said:
I bought an Asrock Mobo in 2012 for my i5 3570k but when it's VRM heatsink broke they did not honour the warranty but told me to use glue instead to stick it and so I did.
After my DIY technique worked and there was no problem at all until I sold it to another member from other forum.

wtff

whitestar_999 said:
I suggest getting a single 16gb stick instead of 8gb*2 as your usage may need 32gb in future & 2*16gb performs better than 4*8gb ram on ryzen. Also for the same price of samsung 970 evo 250gb you can get 860 evo 500gb sata ssd,unless you can significantly notice the improvement of NVMe in your usage scenario 500gb 860 evo seems better option.

Thank you. I will be going with one 16GB stick and will add another later. I am increasing my budget to get ryzen 2700x, could you please suggest a good motherboard?

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For anything less than 14-15k,MSI B450 gaming pro carbon ac is the best ryzen mobo.Btw ram prices are going down slowly but steadily so keep checking primeabgb,mdcomputers & vedantcomputers sites.Aim for at least 3000mhz ram.

whitestar_999 said:
For anything less than 14-15k,MSI B450 gaming pro carbon ac is the best ryzen mobo.Btw ram prices are going down slowly but steadily so keep checking primeabgb,mdcomputers & vedantcomputers sites.Aim for at least 3000mhz ram.

is it compatible with ryzen?

Buy G.Skill 16GB DDR4 F4-3200C16S-16GTZR Best Price in India mdcomputers.in - 13K (SMC)

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There is no "ryzen compatible" ram,either a ram will work with a particular processor+mobo+bios version or won't. Also anything above 2666mhz(for ryzen 1st gen) for ram is OC & it may or may not work above that depending on your "processor lottery",mobo & bios version. Gskill Trident Z brand is usually considered a bit better for ryzen so it should work fine & may even reach its stated 3200mhz speed.

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If you want to save some money & don't like rgb on ram then this is a good option:
Buy Online | Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB DDR4 3200MHz Memory HX432C18FB/16 | Price in India

whitestar_999 said:
There is no "ryzen compatible" ram,either a ram will work with a particular processor+mobo+bios version or won't. Also anything above 2666mhz(for ryzen 1st gen) for ram is OC & it may or may not work above that depending on your "processor lottery",mobo & bios version. Gskill Trident Z brand is usually considered a bit better for ryzen so it should work fine & may even reach its stated 3200mhz speed.

I need to learn a lot. Thanks

whitestar_999 said:
If you want to save some money & don't like rgb on ram then this is a good option:
Buy Online | Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB DDR4 3200MHz Memory HX432C18FB/16 | Price in India

Will check. What do you mean by "processor lottery"? Aren't all products same?

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"Processor lottery" is used with respect to overclockable processors.It basically means that not all overclockable processors are build same,some overclock more while some overclock less.All have same base level performance which is obvious as you are paying for that as stated in product description but overclock is getting performance beyond stated capability which is not fix & is not guaranteed(if is kind of like those "upto 100%" cashback offers,you may get Rs.2 or you may get Rs.200 depending on your luck but you can't say I must get Rs.200).

If the processor you get has low overclock potential then running ram beyond 2666mhz(officially supported max ram frequency on current ryzen processors) may not work as overclocking ram also means indirectly overclocking processor.Mobo bios also plays an important role as it directly controls interaction of ram & processor.That is why earliest bios on ryzen mobos have lots of issues with running any ram above 2400mhz but now-a-days it seems reaching 3200mhz is not that difficult(assuming you are not so unlucky to get a very low overclocking potential ryzen processor).

whitestar_999 said:
If you want to save some money & don't like rgb on ram then this is a good option:
Buy Online | Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB DDR4 3200MHz Memory HX432C18FB/16 | Price in India

Recommend you go dual channel instead of a single 16gb stick.

benchmark seems anomalous but dual channel is always better even if 1k-2k extra cost.

sxyadii said:
Thank you. I will be going with one 16GB stick and will add another later. I am increasing my budget to get ryzen 2700x, could you please suggest a good motherboard?

Go for 8x4 configuration if you are planning to go for a total of 32 in future.

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^^4*8gb ram configuration can at max run at 2133mhz on ryzen platform & it has stability issues too depending on mobo/bios.Dual channel ram matter much more for APU(aka ryzen G processors) & won't have any significant impact with normal ryzen processors. Dual channel ram increases bandwidth but that only comes into play if processor is still able to utilize it.In other words where your processor/gfx card is the bottleneck,you won't see much benefit(& with a gtx960 it will certainly be a bottleneck).

Dual channel 2133mhz can beat out single channel 3200mhz on a Ryzen 1700, and in OP's case, similar gains should be expected on 2700x, even more so, as RAM wont be a bottleneck to CPU anymore.
I agree OP's case is GPU bottlenecked but anyway I wasnt aware that ryzen cant run at 4x8 @ higher mhz. If that is the case 16x2 @3000 mhz should be the norm.

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*www.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=48164&width=800&height=800

There are few tasks where ram can be a bottleneck to a good processor(like gaming with a card like 1080) but in most other cases it will be either cpu or gpu which will be a bottleneck.Since ram prices are going down slowly anyway so no need to buy dual channel currently unless absolutely necessary. Of course this is only for normal ryzen processors & typical tasks.

whitestar_999 said:
*www.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=48164&width=800&height=800

There are few tasks where ram can be a bottleneck to a good processor(like gaming with a card like 1080) but in most other cases it will be either cpu or gpu which will be a bottleneck.Since ram prices are going down slowly anyway so no need to buy dual channel currently unless absolutely necessary. Of course this is only for normal ryzen processors & typical tasks.

It makes alot difference.

Nerevarine said:
Recommend you go dual channel instead of a single 16gb stick.

benchmark seems anomalous but dual channel is always better even if 1k-2k extra cost.

Wow this is nice! Thanks. Which game is that?

I checked again my GPU and it is GTX 970 4GB DDR5. Still not better than new GPUs but it is working great with new games.