New PC + OLD Upgrades !!

I Currently Have A Core i5 2500K Rig And Planing To Upgrade It....
CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K
MB:MSI Z68 GD 65 B3
Ram: Gskill Ripjaw X 4 GB X2
HDD : Segate Baracuda 1 TB x 2
Case : Cooler Master Elite 430
PSU: Corsair GS 700
Monitor : Dell IN2030 M
GPU : GTX 550 Ti
Other : Creative SBS A335 , See Sig

So as My Brother Needs a New PC and I would Be Upgrading So Why Dont I use My Old Stuff For His PC...

List Of Components I Need To Upgrade:

Ram: 16 GB Ripjaws
HDD: 2tb Drive ( Should I Get A SSD)
Case: Any Good Case Up to 4k-5k
Monitor: 24" -27" Up Till 12k
GPU : Planed To Buy GTX 660 Ti or 660 ... any other Suggestion For 15K-20k Range....
Speakers : Need New 5.1 Setup 5k

Following The New PC Questionnaire

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans:School Projects , Office 2013, photoshop,Games On 1600x900 Res.

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans:25k

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans:Nope

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans:Windows 8

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans:1 TB

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans:Nope Using Above Mentioned Dell IN2030 M, UPS(No Need 24/7 Electricity )

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans:Case,Monitor,Speakers,KB/Mouse,

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans:April

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans:Yes

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans:Ahmedabad ... Try To Buy Locally from a Shop ... Check Prices Here ,Open to online stuff !!

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Please Provide the Config for Brother PC First and then The Upgrades To OP List !!!

You have the powerful I5 2500K , then why do you want to upgrade.

Get a HD 7870 @ 16.5K From www.mdcomputers.in

For 25k the performance will easily drop. So spend the 25k for the Graphics Card , and Ask your bro to buy a new one.

Need Another PC For Brother Not For Me And Need To Upgrade All The Mentioned Stuff... Read Above !!

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Ayuclack said:
Need Another PC For Brother Not For Me And Need To Upgrade All The Mentioned Stuff... Read Above !!

I am little confused here and so was Sainatarajan I reckon.

Can you please tell us about your requirements and the budget that you are planning to invest on your upgrades?

By reading your post, the questionaire answers your brothers requirement and budget and does not say anything about your urge for upgrade or the budget you want to spend on the same.

PS:: Lets do one at a time rather than mixing both your configs.

Ayuclack said:
6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans:Nope Using Above Mentioned Dell IN2030 M, UPS(No Need 24/7 Electricity )

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans:Case,Monitor,Speakers,KB/Mouse,

@op please add ram etc whatever you have in point 7.

so that people should be able to distinguish that which things you already have & things you want to buy with that budget

Your post is so confusing when i first saw it i thought "LE tRoLl detected"

not possible in 25k new comp+upgrade

Around 30 K For The New PC And 40k on Upgrades....

I Need A New Case ...4-5 k
Upgrade Ram to 16 Gb Or Higher
New Monitor 1080 P 24" or Higher 10K
Keyboard and Speaker 7K

For The New PC Skip
Case
Monitor
KB/Mouse/Speakers

Give Me A Config In 30 K !!!

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For your brother

My recommendation :-

Intel i3 3220 -7000
Gigabyte b75 dh3 - 4000
Gskill value ram 4gb - 1500
WD blue 1tb -3900
Asus GTX 650ti - rs 10000
ASUS DVD writer-1000
Corsair 430v v2 -2600

Total 30k

Shiva

Looks Good !!!

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For You
GPU- Sapphire HD 7870 "XT" with boost check local prices , you might get it at 18k,performs on par with GTX 660 Ti,and good overrclocker
Cabinet-Cooler MAster HAF 912 -4.4 k,really good cabby at this price or go with Corsair 400R-4.9k
monitor-Dell 24" S2440L-13.7k
Speakers no iddea,about it,ask other members

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Speakers :-

Creative SBS A520 5.1 Multimedia Speakers - Creative: Flipkart.com

It is available for 3.3k

Shiva

What I am Thinking ...

GPU Nvidia GTX 660 Ti

For The Monitor That Dell One Is A Glossy Finish ... Cant I Get A Matt One !!!

GTX 660 ti costs 21k whereas HD 7950 costs 21.5K . HD 7950 competes with the GTX 670 and so it is better than GTX 660 TI...

I Saw some Linus Tech Vid Where 660 ti Killed the 7950 !!

I think you saw some fake videos. HD 7950 clearly beats the GTX 660 Ti and is on par with the GTX 670 . So Go with the HD 7950

See Here and Here

Ayuclack said:
I Saw some Linus Tech Vid Where 660 ti Killed the 7950 !!

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Sainatarajan said:
GTX 660 ti costs 21k whereas HD 7950 costs 21.5K . HD 7950 competes with the GTX 670 and so it is better than GTX 660 TI...

Absolutely,If budget permits,you should definitely go for HD 7950,even 7870 tahiti LE beats GTX 660 Ti,SO WHY ARE you insisting on 660Ti??

BTW sainatarajan, Which HD 7950 is at 21.5 k,all i know of are above 22k :shock:

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There is a difference between gtx 660ti and hd 7950 at 1080p. And gtx670 ~ hd 7970 non ghz edition. A 3-4 fps difference at above 60fps is negligible

+ you will get adaptive vsync and be saved from horibble screen tearing at more than 60fps.
Gtx 660ti is more than enough at fhd resolution

^^ Get your point correct, Stuttering or Screen tearing is a known problem with Dual GPU solution where nVidia SLI has an advantage over AMD Crossfire. But in single GPU based system, both have more or less same level of stuttering which is negligible and not visible to naked eyes.
And GTX 660 Ti is marginally better than the standard version of HD 7950 which runs at 850 MHz speed. Currently most of the HD 7950, including the Sapphire VaporX version, come with the Boost BIOS and runs at 920 to 950 MHz speed. Also after the driver updates starting from 12.7 Beta, the performance of HD 7950 boost version is always over GTX 660 Ti and very very close to GTX 670. There are couple of games where 660 Ti is ahead but in most of the games it is ahead of GTX 660 Ti.

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Cilus said:
^^ Get your point correct, Stuttering or Screen tearing is a known problem with Dual GPU solution where nVidia SLI has an advantage over AMD Crossfire. But in single GPU based system, both have more or less same level of stuttering which is negligible and not visible to naked eyes.
And GTX 660 Ti is marginally better than the standard version of HD 7950 which runs at 850 MHz speed. Currently most of the HD 7950, including the Sapphire VaporX version, come with the Boost BIOS and runs at 920 to 950 MHz speed. Also after the driver updates starting from 12.7 Beta, the performance of HD 7950 boost version is always over GTX 660 Ti and very very close to GTX 670. There are couple of games where 660 Ti is ahead but in most of the games it is ahead of GTX 660 Ti.

I am not talking about stuttering, I am talking about screen tearing, which is a known problem above 60fps irrespective of type of gpu

You can use vsync but if at any moment your gpu produces less than 60fps, you will be reduced to 30 as your gpu is trying to synchronize with your monitor.

Read clearly before commenting please and the only solution right now to this problem is adaptive vsync by nvidia.

Vapor X is costlier than 660ti's. 660ti's are priced at around 20k, you get what you pay for I guess.

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^^ Exactly....... and beware accuracy of his posts is proportional to his post count with a nice big constant of proportionality......

get 7950...... u wont regret it.

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draco21 said:
^^ Exactly....... and beware accuracy of his posts is proportional to his post count with a nice big constant of proportionality......

Seriously !!! :lol:

Shiva

Totally not into the game for GPU how a out if the budget is below 20 k and all I want a single card then what the 660 or 660 to or HD 7870....
Suggest monitors too....

Cilus help...

What is the budget for Graphics card alone?

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Cilus said:
What is the budget for Graphics card alone?

Below 20k

Shiva

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draco21 said:
^^ Exactly....... and beware accuracy of his posts is proportional to his post count with a nice big constant of proportionality......

get 7950...... u wont regret it.

Lol, you think I am wrong about vsync, try to back your comment!! I personally experienced it on a hd 5770 while playing hitman bloodmoney.

And here is my source to back up the things I have said:
*www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fm.hardocp.com%2Farticle%2F2012%2F04%2F16%2Fnvidia_adaptive_vsync_technology_review%2F&ei=q69bUaVegZCtB5m-gZgM&usg=AFQjCNHYmZ5uUO6Pe6VPsB9kwp6OS3rqZQ

Cilus said:
What is the budget for Graphics card alone?

Was 15 k But Now upto 20 k MSI GTX 660 Ti Was 20 k Thats Why... How About HD 7870 !!

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bud if budget is limited to 20k i think u should try to find a hd 7870xt similerly(or less locally) priced as gtx 660 ti, better than it,got gud reviews also

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Man it was meant for cilus......

i do not make sarcastic comments whatsoever but u posted before me so thats that...... sry for confusion......

@op get 660ti or 7870xt you cant go wrong with either.....

Of So Finally If I Get 66- Ti For 20k Then 660 Ti or else 7870 Xt .... Suggest Some Monitors and for the speakers how the z506 !!

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Budget for speakers??

You can try the ones I mentioned before. The creative speakers. Link is on 1st page.

Shiva

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draco21 said:
Man it was meant for cilus......

i do not make sarcastic comments whatsoever but u posted before me so thats that...... sry for confusion......

@op get 660ti or 7870xt you cant go wrong with either.....

Me2 sorry was confused lol

Ayuclack said:
Of So Finally If I Get 66- Ti For 20k Then 660 Ti or else 7870 Xt .... Suggest Some Monitors and for the speakers how the z506 !!

I havent come across 7870xt. If you find that it will be a gem, but then I think it will be way overpriced. Just look at what they did to 650ti boost

vaibhavs800 said:
I am not talking about stuttering, I am talking about screen tearing, which is a known problem above 60fps irrespective of type of gpu

You can use vsync but if at any moment your gpu produces less than 60fps, you will be reduced to 30 as your gpu is trying to synchronize with your monitor.

Read clearly before commenting please and the only solution right now to this problem is adaptive vsync by nvidia.

Vapor X is costlier than 660ti's. 660ti's are priced at around 20k, you get what you pay for I guess.

One of the main reason behind screen tearing is poor and variable minimum FPS even when the average FPS is good for game play, say over 45 FPS. Most of the current generation Graphics cards like HD 7870 or GTX 660 Ti don't suffer much for this problem as they can maintain pretty consistent and high minimum FPS for smoother game play. Agreed, nVidia's adaptive VSync control included in their Control panel helps very easily but that can't be any deciding factor for a single GPU solution. Currently very few games actually suffer from Screen Tearing and even if they suffers, it is only in couple of cases. In case of Radeon cards, you can just use the Radeon Pro Free tool to enable nVidia like Adaptive VSync in AMD cards which most of the times offer slightly smoother experience than nVidia Apaptive VSync.

Ayuclack, if you can find a GTX 660 Ti within 20K and you can't go beyond that price then GTX 660 Ti is a very good choice but again, HD 7870 XE/LE performs very close to it at almost 2K lesser price point. My suggestion is still a HD 7950 VaporX edition which is around 21.4K in Kolkata based shops. Another thing, when overclocked, the performance improvement is better with AMD cards than the competing Nvidia cards. You can easily overclock the 7950 to 1 GHz and beyond with minor voltage increase and actually challenge a HD 7970 stock. So your call. there are certain things like a whopping 384 bit memory bus and 3 GB GDDR5 memory, which cant be overcome with driver updates.

vaibhavs800 said:
I havent come across 7870xt. If you find that it will be a gem, but then I think it will be way overpriced. Just look at what they did to 650ti boost

What made you think that HD 7870 XT will be pricy. It is available around 18K. Check here:*mdcomputers.in/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=2008

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This makes other 7870's almost redundant as it is priced only 2k above them.

And screen tearing also happens if you are doing more than 60fps cilius. And with time, these cards are not going to push more than 60fps. Look at 560ti. One of the most preferred previous gen card, now cant get >60 fps in any new game.

Although between 7870 xt and 660ti, I will take 7870xt every time, and being cheaper +2 for it. Rather try triple buffering or in game vsync by taking a hit

and screen tearing also happens if you are doing more than 60fps cilius. And with time, these cards are not going to push more than 60fps. Look at 560ti. One of the most preferred previous gen card, now cant get >60 fps in any new game.

Didn't get the point buddy.

@vaibhav: as Cilus mentioned Radeon Pro is there. incase you have screen tearing you can enable Dynamic frame Rate control in RP. and it works wonders.

I am not talking about stuttering, I am talking about screen tearing, which is a known problem above 60fps irrespective of type of gpu

You can use vsync but if at any moment your gpu produces less than 60fps, you will be reduced to 30 as your gpu is trying to synchronize with your monitor.

Read clearly before commenting please and the only solution right now to this problem is adaptive vsync by nvidia.

Vapor X is costlier than 660ti's. 660ti's are priced at around 20k, you get what you pay for I guess.

and acc. to this explanation, we should always use VSync when we are using cards like 7970 or 7870CF because they Will go above 60FPS.
and when my 7770 produces <60FPS, it does not compulsorily fall to 30.. it stays at whatever FPS it can churn out :lol:

its a matter of Driver optimisation. better optimisation, less tearing.

and Nvidia'a adaptive vsync is great for SLI. for single cards, AMD and nvidia are rarely different in terms of microstutter.

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TweakGuides.com - Gamer's Graphics & Display Settings Guide

This explains tearing concept perfectly.
If you are not doing 60fps on a 60hz monitor you are bound get in trouble. But I dont think many people know there is an alternative to nvidia's adaptive vsync

Its virtu mvp's virtual vsync

I myself use it on my hd 7870

I Already See Tearing On MY GTX 550 Ti In Many Games !!!!

Cilus My Question Is If I Use After Effects A Lot Then The Nvidia Card Will Give Me Some Boost as of their CUDA Technology !!!! and Is the HD 7950 is a overkill ???

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Ayuclack said:
I Already See Tearing On MY GTX 550 Ti In Many Games !!!!

Cilus My Question Is If I Use After Effects A Lot Then The Nvidia Card Will Give Me Some Boost as of their CUDA Technology !!!! and Is the HD 7950 is a overkill ???

Tearing is possible to remove only on cards that push out more than 60fps otherwise it penalizes fps further 5-10fps which is clearly the problem in your case.

Nvidia hs better support, no doubt about that.

Just look at crysis 3, and you will know even hd 7970 isnt an overkill for maxing at fhd. Although hd7870 seems to be the sweet spot right now.

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hey guys
i am new to all these, so please help me. i want to buy a gaming rig to play titles released before 2010(like crysis, mass effect,etc.) at ultra settings in full hd or you can say i want to get the best experience. please suggest a rig(i am not going to play latest games on it) and yes it should be energy efficient.

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atifkhan9462 said:
hey guys
i am new to all these, so please help me. i want to buy a gaming rig to play titles released before 2010(like crysis, mass effect,etc.) at ultra settings in full hd or you can say i want to get the best experience. please suggest a rig(i am not going to play latest games on it) and yes it should be energy efficient.

Post Invader's !!

atifkhan9462 said:
hey guys
i am new to all these, so please help me. i want to buy a gaming rig to play titles released before 2010(like crysis, mass effect,etc.) at ultra settings in full hd or you can say i want to get the best experience. please suggest a rig(i am not going to play latest games on it) and yes it should be energy efficient.

Answer these questions: *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/pc-compon...new-pc-help-answer-these-questions-first.html
and create a thread here: PC Components / Configurations

If you will GO for amd You gonna miss Physx and CUDA Just play borderlands 2 and batman arkham city with physx on

YOu will Get to know the difference .....GO for a 660 ti or 660 ...

^no big deal...

games with physx turned on have rarely much to offer apart from the eye candy and bling bling

and to enable physx and enjoy it fully without sacrificing on the gameplay quality, you will need a high end card OR a separate physx card.

Also new PhysX titles will be CPU PhysX instead of GPU PhysX as nVidia has already released the new PhysX SDK with CPU optimization support. So new PhysX titles are gonna run on CPU smoothly. previously although modern CPUs were able to run PhysX properly, nVidia didn't optimize PhysX to run on CPU and forced it run on a very old, unoptimized and single threaded instruction named X87. Currently understanding the reality that Bullet, HAVOC and other CPU based optimized Physics Engines are performing far better than PhysX, nVidia now optimized their PhysX SDK with newer CPU instruction support like SSE 2 and 3, probably also AVX.

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Good to hear that. It should be widely adopted although nvidia halfheartedly did.it for ps4 so I dont think even cpu support will be good from them.
@cilus why is amd now not emphasizing gpgpu, while it was the base of their presentation for apu's. Are fx to gonna have integrated gpu's??

vaibhavs800 said:
Good to hear that. It should be widely adopted although nvidia halfheartedly did.it for ps4 so I dont think even cpu support will be good from them.
@cilus why is amd now not emphasizing gpgpu, while it was the base of their presentation for apu's. Are fx to gonna have integrated gpu's??

It's not that AMD does not emphasis on GPGPU. An 8k priced HD7770 is faster in computation than a 11k priced GTX 650ti (which is indeed faster in games). It's just that Nvidia has CUDA which is very very mature platform for GPGPU, so almost every cluster is uses Nvidia GPU's. ADM is very powerful platform for OpenCL, but OpenCL is not as mature as CUDA.