Honestly yes, i had played super mario galaxy on a wii back in 2010. But after the first two levels or so , it bugged me a lot and i had to keep it aside for mature games like mirror's edge at that time. These games might be a bit hardcore from a gameplay perspective but lacks maturity. All the exclusive nintendo ip's you mentioned lacks maturity and is targeted towards a much much younger age group. There are very very few matured titles in nintendo's inventory and thus its sales are so poor. Tell me a nintendo title with an engrossing story and mature theme?
And seriously, you are comparing mario kart with gran turismo? 
The only other title that can challenge gran turismo series head on is forza. Its the pinnacle of racing and nowhere near casual. Its not your average arcade racer like NFS series. The game sports realistic driving physics and is almost close to the real thing. Believe it or not, Nascar and formula 1 drivers play simulators like forza and gran turismo to hone their real world driving skills. They don't play mario kart for thr purpose. Besides, those titles are the only means to get you to drive a bugatti veyron supersport and gets the closest in experiencing the real thing without having to shell millions.
Talk about exclusive ip's, does nintendo has answer for games like 'heavy rain', the upcoming 'beyond two souls' and 'The last of us'? These aren't even next gen. Do you know how highly anticipated the last two titles are not only in japan but all parts of the world? Nintendo lacks maturity big time and that's a fact.
About 3rd party support, you will see tekken tag tournament 2 in the wii-u buuuut, its a current gen title and is simply being ported. What about the next tekken title which will have a next gen heavy engine with heavy physics designed for next gen consoles? Will it be downscaled and ported into wii-u? Only time will tell that. Highly anticipated titles like Bungie's destiny and witcher 3 are already cancelled for wii-u simply because of hardware limitations. Its already confirmed that the Unreal Engine 4 is too heavy and wii-u is incapable for that.
You see batman arkham origins for wii-u coz it runs UE3. These are the reasons i meant when i said wii-u is losing 3rd party support. Tell me a nintendo game that can rival Diablo series? Guess what, diablo 3 is coming to PS4. The answer is none.
I don't think nintendo ip's can save wii-u this time. I fear if wii-u will have the same fate as sega dreamcast.
About me owing a wii-u, honestly buddy, i can't spend 20+k on a console to play only games like mario, pokemon and zelda.
Well, which galaxy in SMG did you reach that you are saying it is just a "bit hardcore"? Uh, Bayonetta 2, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Battalion Wars etc. are certainly not targeted towards a younger age group.
When I played GT it didn't seem hardcore to me. Seriously, if you think Mario Kart is casual beat Rainbow Road in 150cc and win the Special Cup and show me. Does sony have any game like Pikmin or The Wonderful 101? The Tekken physics engine can still be run on the PS2 and 3DS. So it will certainly run on the Wii U. I'm certain Nintendo won't let Namco work on Smash without any reciprocal support.
Later Epic backtracked and said that it will run on the Wii U. It is just that they won't port it(which is probably because Sony struck a deal with them on UE4 and the PS4 and the fact that their Gears series is owned by Microsoft so they had to port it to the next Xbox anyway).
The Sega Dreamcast was preceded by a string of failures by sega including the Nomad, Saturn, Master System, 32X and didn't have any equivalent of the 3DS supporting it, or the backing of $10bn. Sega's most powerful franchises were Sonic, Alex Kidd and Shinobi which are nowhere as powerful as Mario, Smash, Metroid, Pokemon, TLoZ etc.
I've pointed out time and again that there are games other than Mario, Pokemon and Zelda on the Wii U and you just proceeded to ignore them.
according to me uncharted was 10/10 better than any goddamn hollywood movie ever made.
take a look yourself
Japan Weekly Video Game Chart, Week Ending 07th Apr 2013 - VGChartz
the answer to that is final fantasy. end of story..
dead5 nintendo hard was the term coined 15 years ago, and i dont think it applies today, or all of nintendosapiens would have been crying
i just checked pandoras tower gameplay and really its nothing more than final fantasy.. or anything...... dead5 why do you even try to argue?
There is a reason VGchartz is banned on sites like NeoGAF and not respected on forums like /r/games. Before you claim Nintendohard doesn't apply today Complete SM3DL, KI:U on anything above 5, SMG2, OOT Master Quest, S&P: S.o.t.S, SS Hero Mode, Mario Kart 150cc all gold.
Saying Pandoras Tower is like Final Fantasy
If that's your personal opinion, then i must say its heavily biased. "Uncharted has horrible gameplay"?? I didn't really get it mate. Then what do you say? Zelda has the best gameplay??
One question.......have you played the recent tomb raider?
The Legend of Zelda has a million times better gameplay than Uncharted. Seriously, horrible shooting controls, terrible platforming and cameras and awkward movement counts as terrible gameplay.
did you watch that video? accept the challenge dude. Have u played dota ?
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I have played DOTA 2. Have you played The Last Story?
As it happens, i do think that the player character from TLoZ, Link, is quite cool.
I play more new games than old ones. If you see my list all of them have had titles released in the past 5 years(with the exception of Baten Kaitos which i listed because i am playing it right now). I intentionally didn't list dormant franchises like Starfox, Mother and F-Zero.
Contra 4 on hard is quite hardcore. There are a lot of Hardcore games for the Wii like Manhunt 2, Madworld, The Conduit, Red Steel 2, Disaster Day of Crisis, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Battalion Wars 2, Xenoblade Chronicles etc.
That Pie chart is not an accurate depiction of what happens in TLoZ. You usually don't get bomb bags/gloves until a significant portion of the game is over, breaking pots is fun but is in no way the main thing you do. Slicing up monsters isn't the main point either. You play TLoZ for the awesome dungeons and temples, the beautiful environments, great music and epic awesome bossfights.
we were not discussing h/w it was more about future and survivability of these companies and their gaming divisions. but like the last time, the wii-u today is at the same place where the wii was during the ps3 / x360 era... so obviously it wont be able to match the technical prowess. But with the wii we saw the evolution of motion gaming taken to a new level, with interactive deeply built games making full use of that potential unlike the move and the kinect. That is what the wii changed, this time around there is nothing like that... so how does one expect to see the same sales numbers... ?
and dwindling sales forecasts means most devs abandon ship and would prefer to work on other platforms. not considering the fact that 2010 onwards games sales i.e. number of software titles sold overall are growing by a huge number and will increase further, this is a rate race which SONY is leading... i mentioned this before ill say this again unless nintendo change how they make games for who they make games and when they make games the wii-u is a disaster a ticking chernobyl if you will
@cilus
you are wrong, now its more about the gameplay than ever. in 2 years time we will have so much raw processing power for so cheap that achieving photo realistic graphics will be a joke. If todays developer centric approach is not towards how the game changes the experience, how it offers a better bonding with the characters of the game ... it wont make a game.
It will be a playable tech-demo.
thats why games like crysis with mediocre story are useless.
you dont just play a game to look at how battles on the beaches would look on the islands of bahamas in 3d rendering, its also about what makes the battle, what is the logic, the plot, the storyline, how the gamer can connect with that, emotion. wordless sheer rush of anger , pain , joy by wordless cinematic face expressions or music is what makes a game.
This time we have new gameplay opportunities well done with the Wii U including Nintendoland, ZombiU, Lego City Undercover, The Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3 etc. When Nintendo doesn't get support it creates its own. For example the gameboy wasn't really too hot for the first few years, they propped Game Freak up and now look at where that ended. The DS wasn't doing too well either. They propped Level 5 up and got them. For the GC they propped up Retro Studios and were so impressed by their work that they bought them. Nintendo has always had excellent games with excellent gameplay on their platform. The Wii U will be no different.
^^ Yeah but what cilus actually pointed is a big indication why developers are slowly abandoning nintendo. Everything is moving towards HSA now.
Nvidia has already confirmed maxwell gpu's fully HSA compliant or in other words more flexibility in communication between cpu and gpu. That's because now both cpu and gpu can access same memory,thus avoid bottle necking and other overheads due to repeated code storage in multiple memory pools (In this case, its main memory and Vram). Amd's future products will be the same as they had spent a lot of time and development effort in HSA computing.
Now both ps4 and xbox next has this kind of architecture i.e both cpu and gpu shares a unified large memory pool. This is a boon for developers and easier to harness the potential of the hardware present. Considering pc and the next gen consoles with similar architecture, the wii-u is simply left out in cold.
It has no advancements in technology that can pull developers to do something new on it. Add to this, the abysmal list of kiddish titles, the wii-u's fate is sealed.
The next generational transition will be a long one. Considering the inflated budgets for modern games which need to sell millions of copies to be profitable, a 2-3% attach rate for mega blockbusters like Assassins Creed , there is no way the focus will shift from the PS360 to the Western Nextgen consoles any time soon. You will have crossgen games like W_D, AC:BF etc for a long time. The current graphics heavy path will doom the studios who cannot keep up with the specs and expectation of quality the PS4 brings. The Wii U will get third party support from the japanese devs i've mentioned earlier and Ubi, Acti, Warner, Disney etc. for a long time.
Seriously, The Wii Us list is anything but kiddish. Monster Hunter, Bayonetta 2, Shin Megami Tensei, ZombiU, Fire Emblem, X etc. are not meant for children.
^^ Yes, but those ip's should be a bit matured. Not another mario or zelda please.
That mario character is really starting to get in my nerves.
Actually there are some good games in wii/wii u worth playing such "The Last Story" and "Xeno Blade Chronicles".
These had bagged some good reviews and promise deeper storytelling but sports stone-age graphics.
I would still choose games like skyrim and witcher over them.
As i've pointed out earlier they have quite a few mature IPs. Xenoblade and The Last Story provide entirely different experiences from Skyrim and Witcher, with TW2 being the only one comparable to them if you consider the quality of the games.
Hironobu Sakaguchi said that The Last Story was possible because of the Wii. It would cost way too much to build it for the PS3 and they would never break even. Look at how SE is struggling with FF. Capcom said the same thing for MHTri being on the Wii rather than the PS3.
Another reason they went to Nintendo was that Sony wanted trophies in the games while that would completely spoil the experience of MH. They had already blocked the localization of MHP3 and Capcom didn't want to take the risk.
i mean there is not one reason why i wouldnt play skyrim, witcher and final fantasy for the same experience
Because Skyrim, Final Fantasy, and The Witcher provide entirely different experiences.
Next you'll say that Smash and Tekken provide the same experience.
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