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Nokia Lumia 1020 launched with 41-megapixel camera

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quagmire
quagmire Original post #1
Jul 11, 2013 at 9:39 PM







Lumia 1020 specs:

4.5-inch AMOLED PureMotion HD+ display
1280x768 HD screen and 16:9 aspect ratio
Nokia's Clear Black filter for cutting down outdoor glare with Gorilla Glass 3 touch screen

1.5GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 processor

2GB RAM
32GB of internal memory, no expandable memory

41-megapixel camera

* PureView 41 MP sensor with Optical Image Stabilization (OIS)
* Backside-illuminated image sensor
* 6 lens optics,
* High resolution zoom 3x
* Autofocus
* 1080p video at 30 fps
* 1.2-megapixel wide angle front-facing camera
* Small LED flash with larger Xenon flash
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Full list of specs:

*cdn1.afterdawn.fi/storage/pictures/1024/lumia_1020_specs.jpg


Source
reniarahim1
Jul 11, 2013 at 9:48 PM
Beast has finally arrived..
shreymittal
Jul 11, 2013 at 9:53 PM
Lumia 1020 internal components

*i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a595/shreymittal/1074037_10151584423853031_1927215544_o_zps1ed085c8.jpg

MORE INFO HERE: Nokia Lumia 1020 Announced
Extreme Gamer
Jul 11, 2013 at 9:58 PM
Missing microSD slot is unforgivable. They had all the time in the world to incorporate it.
ZTR
ZTR #5
Jul 11, 2013 at 10:00 PM
The king of Camera phone has returned and is even more powerful!
funskar
funskar #6
Jul 11, 2013 at 10:03 PM
Everything is rock solid still in nokia fones except wp:cry:
veddotcom
Jul 11, 2013 at 10:29 PM
The Needle demonstration just BLOWN my mind totally..!!!
quagmire
Jul 11, 2013 at 10:43 PM
Cons:

*Pretty heavy for its size at 158 grams. (add that bulge 'coz of the optics)
*Battery is just 2000mAh ( 13 hours battery life claimed :rolleyes:)
*Processor is not futureproof (no word on GPU)
*Will be priced above 40k for sure
*Could end up as just a photography enthusiast phone

The Needle demonstration just BLOWN my mind totally..!!!

Which one?
quagmire
quagmire #11
Jul 12, 2013 at 1:18 AM
There were rumours that the camera can capture in RAW format. Not sure..

Direct hit at their competiters:

*media.gizmodo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Lumia-1020-image.jpg
Source

Last year Nokia released the 808, a Symbian phone that also sported a 41-megapixel sensor. How is the Lumia 1020 different?

Kevin: To answer that, I need to step back for a second. When we shipped the Lumia 920, it was the first time anybody put optical image stabilization [OIS] technology in a broadly-available smartphone. We really broke down a barrier when we did that. The low-light performance of the Lumia 920 is incredible because OIS holds the sensor still and keeps the shutter open longer so you can capture more light. The 808, meanwhile, was trailblazing because it was the first phone to deliver such an insanely large image sensor. The notion of putting a sensor that big inside a phone—much less a camera—is a little bit crazy. But the sharpness that it delivered was spectacular.

What you see in the Lumia 1020 is the combination of those two things, and a whole lot more: It has all the benefits of a huge sensor combined with the incredible sharpness of next generation optical image stabilization technology that we spearheaded in the Lumia 920. So the 1020 is bringing together a number of powerful technologies that haven’t been delivered together before. Another key point is that while some DSLRs have sensor technology that’s competitive with what’s in the Nokia Lumia 1020, a DSLR doesn’t have the processing power a Windows Phone has.

-Source
amjath
amjath #12
Jul 12, 2013 at 5:21 AM
Read in some comments that Images produced are not snappier, it has a lot of noise compared to Pureview 808. OS to blame
RohanM
RohanM #13
Jul 12, 2013 at 9:10 AM
Return of the Camera King... :cool:

Only thing missing is Android.. :-D
randomuser111
Jul 12, 2013 at 9:29 AM
It has Snapdragon S4 Krait Dual core 1.5 ghz with Adreno 225. Basically the exact same chip as in Lumia 920

And sure it's the king of "smartphone" cameras, only for 2 months :p
anirbandd
anirbandd #15
Jul 12, 2013 at 9:35 AM
Last year Nokia released the 808, a Symbian phone that also sported a 41-megapixel sensor. How is the Lumia 1020 different?

Kevin: To answer that, I need to step back for a second. When we shipped the Lumia 920, it was the first time anybody put optical image stabilization [OIS] technology in a broadly-available smartphone. We really broke down a barrier when we did that. The low-light performance of the Lumia 920 is incredible because OIS holds the sensor still and keeps the shutter open longer so you can capture more light. The 808, meanwhile, was trailblazing because it was the first phone to deliver such an insanely large image sensor. The notion of putting a sensor that big inside a phone—much less a camera—is a little bit crazy. But the sharpness that it delivered was spectacular.

What you see in the Lumia 1020 is the combination of those two things, and a whole lot more: It has all the benefits of a huge sensor combined with the incredible sharpness of next generation optical image stabilization technology that we spearheaded in the Lumia 920. So the 1020 is bringing together a number of powerful technologies that haven’t been delivered together before. Another key point is that while some DSLRs have sensor technology that’s competitive with what’s in the Nokia Lumia 1020, a DSLR doesn’t have the processing power a Windows Phone has.

i have tremendous respect for nokia, but this is what i consider as pure stupidity. why even start to compare a camera phone with a dedicated camera?? and people who shoot with dSLRs barely give a sh!t to processing powers inside the cam[RAW image ftw! ]. im pretty sure the mobile will launch with a price tag >40K, and at that price range there are damn good SLRs which will chew out the 1020 in image quality.

And sure it's the king of "smartphone" cameras, only for 2 months :p

exactly :D
Extreme Gamer
Jul 12, 2013 at 11:19 AM
Only thing missing is Android.. :-D

I'd rather see more diversity in the market than too much homogeneity.

Nokia should have stuck to MeeGo and Symbian.
sujoyp
sujoyp #18
Jul 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM
Another key point is that while some DSLRs have sensor technology that’s competitive with what’s in the Nokia Lumia 1020, a DSLR doesn’t have the processing power a Windows Phone has.

what a joke....processing power of dslr is just too much for a mobile to handle ... even my basic dslr can handle 12 raw images of 20MB per file continously (240MB) and save it in 1-2 minutes...
just for info D800 with 36megapixel can handle RAW file of size 80MB continously till 20 shots and save them togather in around 2-3 minutes = 1600 MB

its sheer stupidity to even compare a phone cam with dslr...max phone cam can be compared it is to a canon s100 or nikon P7100 etc
Saahib
Saahib #19
Jul 12, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Well, these phones are very good alternative if you need high quality occasional images without carrying any camera with you. They can't replace your DSLR but yes, can replace point to shoot one.
quagmire
quagmire #20
Jul 12, 2013 at 2:33 PM
It has Snapdragon S4 Krait Dual core 1.5 ghz with Adreno 225. Basically the exact same chip as in Lumia 920

And sure it's the king of "smartphone" cameras, only for 2 months :p

But will Honami have OIS like 920/1020 ?
ZTR
ZTR #21
Jul 12, 2013 at 2:36 PM
It has Snapdragon S4 Krait Dual core 1.5 ghz with Adreno 225. Basically the exact same chip as in Lumia 920

And sure it's the king of "smartphone" cameras, only for 2 months :p

Honami has a smaller sensor and low pixel count :p
gameranand
Jul 12, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Now it looks like it can sell. As some windows users might be interested but it will all come down to price really. People don't buy a phone just for Camera and this phone has nothing except the camera.
quagmire
quagmire #24
Jul 12, 2013 at 3:27 PM
Honami has a smaller sensor and low pixel count :p

Both are equal:

*i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/83648-image/Sony-Honami-camera.png
Sony Honami cameraphone detailed further: glass/metal body, larger sensor than the Nokia N8


*i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/89401-thumb/theverge-lumia-1020-sensor-size-comparison.jpg
Nokia Lumia 1020: smaller sensor camera than 808 PureView, but could capture the best images of any smartphone

1/1.5" on Honami = 2/3" on 1020

But OIS will be the deciding factor..
The low-light performance of the Lumia 920 is incredible because OIS holds the sensor still and keeps the shutter open longer so you can capture more light
1020 is even better!




Now it looks like it can sell. As some windows users might be interested but it will all come down to price really. People don't buy a phone just for Camera and this phone has nothing except the camera.

+1.
Will surely be priced above 40k.

Read in some comments that Images produced are not snappier, it has a lot of noise compared to Pureview 808. OS to blame

:shock: Where?
Harsh Pranami
Jul 12, 2013 at 5:13 PM
Seriously man!! No expandable memory??? Don't you think 32 gb memory will prove a bit unsufficient for recording 1080p at 30 fps. Considering the fact that this phone will not be used for recording purposes only.
randomuser111
Jul 12, 2013 at 5:19 PM
ZTR, who told you that ???

Honami has 2/3" back illuminated Exmor R sensor using all the same tech as Sony CyberShot RX100 II

It has In Sensor Image stabilization like in Sony Alpha/NEX/Handycam products. And I needn't mention how effective the image stabilization on those products is. People use the term "black magic" to refer to the effectiveness of Sony's in body stabilization aka Super SteadyShot

Now let's come to low light performance

Lumia 1020 has pixel size of 1.12 microns (same as Xperia Z and most other smartphones). Honami has pixel size 1.68 microns. That's a significant advantage. Only HTC One has higher pixel size but then it has a way smaller sensor.

Next let's come to the lens. Lumia 1020 uses f2.2 lens, while Honami uses a brighter f2.0 lens.

So Honami has 1 1/3 stop advantage over Lumia 1020

ISO goes up to 12800 in case of Honami(just like RX100 II),3200max in Lumia

Both feature Xenon + LED flash and manual controls for focus, aperture, shutter speed etc. But more camera customization in Honami.


But one big weapon in Honami's arsenal is the Sony Handheld Twilight Mode which will allow it to shoot possibly the best low light images possible from a smartphone. Google Handheld Twilight cybershot to know more about it.

Here's what CNET has to say about Handheld Twilight

If you want better low-light shots of still subjects, Sony's Handheld Twilight mode still produces some of the best high-ISO photos I've seen from a point-and-shoot.

*reviews.cnet.com/2300-6501_7-10017104.html
Z
Jul 13, 2013 at 2:50 AM
Woow what a great technology by nokia
vrk
vrk #30
Jul 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM
what will be the price ???
Extreme Gamer
Jul 13, 2013 at 1:16 PM
The first Nokia Lumia 1020 camera samples are here - GSMArena Blog

I saw the pictures they posted and compared the large image to the pureview version. It seems that pureview will also crop the edges of the taken image while processing it into the smaller resolution. The cropping is very small when you zoom out of the bigger picture, but it's noticeable if you look carefully.

In the first picture pureview seems to be keenly softening hard jaggies, and some details that are lost when you zoom out are brought back.

In the second picture (group photo) I found that the image seems to resemble those old movies which are remastered from SD sources or reel film scans. While the edges were definitely improved (smoothed), the colour gradation on the faces was not good. It slightly reminded me of images with lower colour spaces. Mind you this was only in the case of human skin. Other bits felt fine to me.

My observations for the third picture was similar to the first picture.

Fourth picture was also like the second picture, except that the skin colour gradation oddness seems to have extended to the white uniforms.

I didn't check all the pictures because my FUP period is up and loading the pictures takes too long, but I think it is safe to say that pureview works best with pictures of urban scenery. When there are humans abound then I think pureview should be kept off. That isn't to say that pureview is bad with pictures of humans. Basically purview's weakness seems to be grading different shades of the same colour. You can only observe this when you are actually viewing the full-sized 5MP image, and not when the image is zoomed out to fit the screen.

Can't comment on how pureview will behave with wildlife and natural screens because Nokia has yet to release pictures of the camera in that setting.

Note: My observation only applies the pictures taken by the Lumia 1020. It may well be that pureview on other models does not behave in this manner.
nikufellow
Jul 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Nokia seriously restrained by MS hw restrictions and lac of quick updates to the platforms .
freshseasons
Jul 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Does it being along DSLR Quality too ? I don't mind it having 8MP quality if SLR is what we are talking here. !! Else there's nothing but shock value with these digits.
Extreme Gamer
Jul 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM
Does it being along DSLR Quality too ? I don't mind it having 8MP quality if SLR is what we are talking here. !! Else there's nothing but shock value with these digits.

Certainly not dSLR quality if the given pictures are authentic. Maybe comparable to a quality megazoom, but nothing more. My Canon SX 30 IS (megazoom) takes better raw pictures than this (not sure about pureview though).
quagmire
quagmire #35
Jul 13, 2013 at 7:37 PM
Nokia should have included a better hardware on the 1020.
One can always get a Pureview 808 for 15k and a Lumia 520 and get pretty much the same experience :razz:


BTW there was no word on whether 1020 record HDR videos.. Any info?
randomuser111
Jul 13, 2013 at 8:11 PM
No HDR pics/videos on the Lumia 1020.

Btw just seen Honami sample photos, must say Lumia 1020 is in deep trouble. Honami blows it away, as well as all compact digital cameras and Pureview 808 :)
quagmire
quagmire #37
Jul 13, 2013 at 8:27 PM
^Then leak it ASAP :mrgreen:
ZTR
ZTR #39
Jul 13, 2013 at 9:32 PM
Btw just seen Honami sample photos, must say Lumia 1020 is in deep trouble. Honami blows it away, as well as all compact digital cameras and Pureview 808 :)

We'll see when it comes out :p
Flash
Flash #40
Jul 13, 2013 at 10:22 PM
Btw just seen Honami sample photos, must say Lumia 1020 is in deep trouble. Honami blows it away, as well as all compact digital cameras and Pureview 808 :)
No not possible :p
Out of curiosity, are you incorporated with Sony in some way?

Turn your Lumia 1020 into a fully-functional surveillance drone for 4,990 Euro with the Lehmann LA300 - GSMArena Blog

Nokia Lurker 1020 :p
RohanM
RohanM #42
Jul 15, 2013 at 7:57 PM
No HDR pics/videos on the Lumia 1020.

Btw just seen Honami sample photos, must say Lumia 1020 is in deep trouble. Honami blows it away, as well as all compact digital cameras and Pureview 808 :)

Expecting the Honami to be a Lumia 1020 killer is going to be disappointed.

The Sony i1 Honami, the expected flagship successor to the Xperia Z, is likely not to have a sensor as large as the one on the Nokia Lumia 1020.


The size of the camera sensor, the photosensitive element behind the camera’s eye, is quintessential to image quality. A smaller sensor collects less light and this makes it less suitable for low-light imagery.

Now compared with all smartphone cameras available 808/1020s aside, Honami's camera performance will wipe the competition including S4 zoom and the old Galaxy Camera IMHO. but I advice we keep our expectations low, 1020's biggest weapon is the oversampling.

Read more - *www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-Honami-and-its-20-megapixel-camera-detailed-smaller-sensor-than-originally-thought_id45312
ZTR
ZTR #43
Jul 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM
Honami will have a 1/2.3 sensor rather than a 1/1.5 as previously rumored :p

*www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/07/epic5203sony-930898974f9441d518a981512d5de063.jpg

So yeah Lumia 1020 has nothing to worry against Honami :mrgreen:

Also Lumia 1020 is compared to Canon 60D and guess who wins? :O

Nokia Lumia 1020 camera compared to a Canon 60D DSLR, comes out on top - GSMArena Blog
quagmire
quagmire #44
Jul 22, 2013 at 9:36 PM
Nokia to announce something BIG tomorrow - GSMArena.com news

Anyone interested in a Nokia phablet/W8 tablet?