OS X Leopard delayed!!!

I can feel my heart-rate going faster. I'm nearing the end of the article and there's no sign that this is some kind of late april fool joke.... Its not.

Its official on the www.apple.com/hotnews

iPhone has already passed several of its required certification tests and is on schedule to ship in late June as planned. We can’t wait until customers get their hands (and fingers) on it and experience what a revolutionary and magical product it is. However, iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price — we had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS X team, and as a result we will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference in early June as planned. While Leopard's features will be complete by then, we cannot deliver the quality release that we and our customers expect from us. We now plan to show our developers a near final version of Leopard at the conference, give them a beta copy to take home so they can do their final testing, and ship Leopard in October. We think it will be well worth the wait. Life often presents tradeoffs, and in this case we're sure we've made the right ones.

I will now cry myself to sleep (if I get any). And when gx is back, I will welcome the kick on B**ls...

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rake said:
Apple needs Vista support to survive...

gx can you explain this?

I can understand Apple's problems. I'd prefer a delayed release rather than a buggy one.

Apple needs Vista support to survive...

ROFL!!!

Why does Apple needs Vista? I will buy Leopard regardless of which other OSes it supports. So will many other Mac users.

Vista support is only for the ones who want to use Mac but still want to use some Windows program.

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It seems quite logical to me. Delaying a new version of existing product (Leopard) is better than delaying a brand new product(iphone). Whenever it comes, people are going to buy Leopard whether it's June or it's October. For iphone, the more it's delayed the lower it's heat will be in the market.

I read somewhere that Leopard is Apple's version of Vista (hence Apple calls it "Vista 2.0") with the delays. But Micro$oft released Vista because they had to. They compromised a lot of features to release when they did. Still Vista is pretty buggy. OSX, Tiger, on the other hand does not have the security problems that plague Windows XP. This is the first delay of Leopard. While it may be somewhat disappointing to wait until October, it's better than a really buggy upgrade.

As for the iPhone delaying Leopard, the iPhone better be freaking awesome, because Mac OSX (Leopard) is the heart and soul of Apple. Tiger is still technologically superior to Vista, but users will wait only so long for Leopard. It would be really bad for Apple to let Microsoft eat up Apple's technology lead in computer operating systems. If Apple puts too many eggs in the iPhone basket, they might get burned.

Does it stink that Leopard’s release has been pushed back a few months? Yup, especially to us geeks who want the latest-and-greatest -- and want it right now. But Tiger is still the best OS out there (sorry, Vista) and will work as well in July, August, and September as it does today.

Windows Vista ?what is it?public bin

rouge said:
Apple needs Vista support to survive...

Wow! Windows fanatics crying waste..

Wow! Windows fanatics crying waste..

They sure are.

Actually, even Analysts are not concerned by Leopard delay.

If Apple would delay the iPhone, it will get criticisms from everywhere. But if Leopard is delayed, it will receive less criticisma, as Windows fanboys will have less to say, and because many don't care about Leopard.

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But I am concerned about the iphone. Will it be a hit like the ipod. I think Apple should release iphone like ipod Video at the same time.

Hey GX, weren't you supposed to observe two weeks of "shameful misery"? I thought you created that ID just for the one time post in that thread(forgot what it was about). This is not fair. At least Aarya keeps to his word (asked me to post when he needed something from here).

I hope fatbeing is watching...

R

^^^^ woops

But I am concerned about the iphone. Will it be a hit like the ipod. I think Apple should release iphone like ipod Video at the same time.

Please check out these threads:
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54682
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53580

These should give you the idea that *images.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/blackapple.gifiPhone won't be a unsuccessful product.

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Thread 1: ipod came into market when there wasn't any good product in mp3 player segment. But the phone market is flooded with lots and lots of phones.

Thread 2: I don't think every one who sent inquiry request to AT&T will buy an iphone. (like me)

I'm not saying that iphone will fail. I feel tense about this product. I wish strongly that is should succeed. They should have given a user replaceable battery, unlocked phone, lower price...

Thread 1: ipod came into market when there wasn't any good product in mp3 player segment. But the phone market is flooded with lots and lots of phones.

the iPhone's a smart-phone, and there's no good product in that market. At least, there's no smart-phone that good enough for a normal person to use.

Thread 2: I don't think every one who sent inquiry request to AT&T will buy an iphone. (like me)

You live in US? You requested AT&T about details on iPhone?

I'm not saying that iphone will fail. I feel tense about this product. I wish strongly that is should succeed. They should have given a user replaceable battery, unlocked phone, lower price...

I don't know about the user-replaceable batteries but my guess is the phone released in Asia will be a unlocked iPhone, and the cost of iPhone will reduce as competition will get stronger.

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the iPhone's a smart-phone, and there's no good product in that market

Questionable. iPhone is a multimedia oriented phone like SE W880i but not a smart phone like Palm or Windows Mobile or Nokia N95 phone, due to lack of application installation & No Exchange server\Lotus notes compatibility which is required by a phone to be called a smartphone.

nepcker said:
the iPhone's a smart-phone, and there's no good product in that market. At least, there's no smart-phone that good enough for a normal person to use.

if the iPhone is a smart fone than there are a lot smarter fones already available... can u name even any one feature in it wich doesnt already exist???? leaving the UI ??btw as rake said the iPhone is more a multimedia fone than a smartfone...

Common guys, let this not be another one of "those" threads...Leopard is delayed, that's it.

iPhone is a multimedia oriented phone like SE W880i but not a smart phone like Palm or Windows Mobile or Nokia N95 phone, due to lack of application installation & No Exchange server\Lotus notes compatibility which is required by a phone to be called a smartphone.

iPhones's a smartphone -- not just a multimedia phone. It has a multi-touch screen, phone abilities, a 2.o megapixel camera, all the features of 5.5G iPod, PDA, and is also a internet communicator.

Safari is the first fully usable HTML browser on a mobile phone. The iPhone has the ability to synchronize with Apple's iCal (for calendar and notifications), Address Book (for phone numbers), and iTunes.

can u name even any one feature in it wich doesnt already exist????

There are a lot of them -- Apple has filed over 200 patents for the iPhone, this means that at least 200 features will be exclusive to this phone.

The web browser displays full web pages as opposed to simplified pages as on other smart phones.

It is also a true multi-tasking phone -- you can e-mail a photo to your friend right in the middle of a call.

It's also got Visual Voicemail -- just like e-mail, on iPhone, you can go directly go to the voicemail that interests you.

It's also got proximity sensor, ambient light sensor, accelerometer, etc, etc.

R

Like goobimama said, don't make it another one of those threads. Leopard is delayed, that was the news. Period.

goobimama said:
Common guys, let this not be another one of "those" threads...Leopard is delayed, that's it.

And that is absolutely shameful on Apple's part. They screwed up. I am not ready to believe in absolute bullshit that Apple does not have enough resources to concentrate on two projects at once. It is so frustrating.
After all the fun they made of Microsoft over the delays of Windows Vista, it is amazing that they even had the guts to post this on their website. I suppose Microsoft engineers must be having a hard time controlling their laughter now.

They messed up and that's it. End of story.

Windows users are already using Windows Vista and we have to wait till October to use Leopard. At least we'll get all the details at the WWDC. That's a relief.

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aryayush said:
And that is absolutely shameful on Apple's part. They screwed up. I am not ready to believe in absolute bullshit that Apple does not have enough resources to concentrate on two projects at once. It is so frustrating.
After all the fun they made of Microsoft over the delays of Windows Vista, it is amazing that they even had the guts to post this on their website. I suppose Microsoft engineers must be having a hard time controlling their laughter now.

They messed up and that's it. End of story.

Windows users are already using Windows Vista and we have to wait till October to use Leopard. At least we'll get all the details at the WWDC. That's a relief.

wooo wooo wooo. Is that you Arya?

^^ yea man... arya... is that u??? btw nice to meet the new you...

I just looked at some screenshots of Leopard latest build. & here is the thing, for gods sake Apple, this is year 2007, that UI was good for 2001 but it look toooo blend, what the hell are they thinking with Leopard, atleast just don't screw whats it already good to some extent.

Just look at that toolbar, Buttons with toolbar bubbles....just who is working in Apple design team today? This is toooo 2003. They did the same mistake with Apple Mail in Tiger, & now they are doing the mistake all over, simple toolbar buttons which on mouse hover change the color state or brighten up are the way to go. But not toolbar bubbles. Or better yet, something like this which I made for my website (any programer available here?

)

Normal State

*img480.imageshack.us/img480/4104/normalsz0.jpg

Mouse over state

*img468.imageshack.us/img468/6755/mouseoverqg8.jpg

see this...
*www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/948.gif

aryayush said:
And that is absolutely shameful on Apple's part. They screwed up. I am not ready to believe in absolute bullshit that Apple does not have enough resources to concentrate on two projects at once. It is so frustrating.
After all the fun they made of Microsoft over the delays of Windows Vista, it is amazing that they even had the guts to post this on their website. I suppose Microsoft engineers must be having a hard time controlling their laughter now.

May be its not fair to make fun of any one , we should give them time if it helps them to deliver a better product. So wait , may be they don't want you to be more disappointed then you are feeling now.

Well, they should not have given us a date on which they could not deliver then. It is downright frustrating, that's all. I was so looking forward to getting my copy of Leopard in June.

amanbandla said:
wooo wooo wooo. Is that you Arya?

pathiks said:
^^ yea man... arya... is that u??? btw nice to meet the new you...

Yeah, it is me.

But you should know that fans are always the harshest critics. If you are a fan of Hrithik Roshan and he does a really bad movie, you'll be much more disappointed than people who hate the guy.

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aryayush said:
Well, they should not have given us a date on which they could not deliver then. It is downright frustrating, that's all. I was so looking forward to getting my copy of Leopard in June.

I understand your frustration but the delay in only 3 months na. You waited till now, wait for another few months. I personally felt that they should not have given weightage to iphone instead of leopard but as I said before delaying a new version of existing product is better than delaying hot and new product.

but the thing is that apple is such a big company that it isnt possible that they didnt hav the workforce to concentrate on two products.-iphone and leopard.. The real reason is something else..

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pathiks said:
but the thing is that apple is such a big company that it isnt possible that they didnt hav the workforce to concentrate on two products.-iphone and leopard.. The real reason is something else..

Yes. It could be something else. May be they don't want to release both at the same time. or maybe there are some bugs in Leopard. May be they are adding something more.

[From Engadget] Patent app hints at iPhone controlling Mac, iTunes

*appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parse...uter"&OS="Apple+Computer"&RS="Apple+Computer"

oh awesome.. Remote controlling macs.. Ll it be thru bt or gprs?? Or thru ir..? Like the iremotes

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Bluetooth.

Hmm, remote controling Macs, it is so far just a rumar. Having a patent does not mean this exect use.

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The announcement that Apple would delay the release of its newest version of Mac OS X, known as Leopard, didn't surprise many people. A rumor suggesting such a delay was imminent had been circulating for weeks.

But Apple's (AAPL) Apr. 12 statement that it has redeployed some of its software engineering and quality assurance personnel away from Leopard to the team working on the June launch of the iPhone suggests that some last-minute problems are cropping up and raises questions about whether Apple has had to push back the iPhone release, if only by some weeks.

*www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2007/tc20070413_247721.htm

And that is absolutely shameful on Apple's part. They screwed up. I am not ready to believe in absolute bullshit that Apple does not have enough resources to concentrate on two projects at once. It is so frustrating.
After all the fun they made of Microsoft over the delays of Windows Vista, it is amazing that they even had the guts to post this on their website. I suppose Microsoft engineers must be having a hard time controlling their laughter now.

I've said it before -- Micro$oft released Vista because they had to. They compromised a lot of features to release when they did. Still Vista is pretty buggy. OSX, Tiger, on the other hand does not have the security problems that plague Windows XP. This is the first delay of Leopard. While it may be somewhat disappointing to wait until October, it's better than a really buggy upgrade.

Of course, it stinks that Leopard’s release has been pushed back a few months but Tiger is still the best OS out there (sorry, Vista) and will work as well in July, August, and September as it does today.

Yes. It could be something else. May be they don't want to release both at the same time. or maybe there are some bugs in Leopard. May be they are adding something more.

Absolutely. Leopard currently has a long list of bugs (see *www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/04/12/apples_leopard_still_plagued_by_lengthy_bug_list.html). If Apple would release a buggy OS, it would be worse than not releasing the OS itself.

Hmm, remote controling Macs, it is so far just a rumar. Having a patent does not mean this exect use.

Most Macs come with the Apple Remote and the Front Row software. That uses InfraRed. But bluetooth and wifi are built-in on macs too.

Heck, Apple hid a 802.11n wifi support on all Core 2 Duo macs.

I guess Apple needs to pull out the iPhone fast, before competitors get there and its novelty lost. Leopard on the other hand improves upon Tiger, which still holds the title of "the best OS" (According to me) so they don't neeeed to put leopard before the iPhone.

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goobimama said:
I guess Apple needs to pull out the iPhone fast, before competitors get there and its novelty lost. Leopard on the other hand improves upon Tiger, which still holds the title of "the best OS" (According to me) so they don't neeeed to put leopard before the iPhone.

Agreed.

I guess Apple needs to pull out the iPhone fast, before competitors get there and its novelty lost.

Yup. Apple really needs to bring the iPhone on time. If Apple fails, it will receive criticisms from everywhere, and may not be a much successful product even though of such hype (perhaps like the PS3 -- selling like cake at the beginning, and later, the sales going slow as hell.)

Leopard on the other hand improves upon Tiger, which still holds the title of "the best OS" (According to me) so they don't neeeed to put leopard before the iPhone.

Yes, I too agree that OS X is still the best OS.

pathiks said:
oh awesome.. Remote controlling macs.. Ll it be thru bt or gprs?? Or thru ir..? Like the iremotes

Uh.. that would be nothing new. I used my W550i as a remote control for Mac OS X all the time. The feature is already built into Tiger.

Remote controling a Computer by Mobile phone is possible since Bluetooth 1.0 days & any bluetooth HID profile complient device. I have been using my K700i + bluetooth adapter + IVT Bluesoliel software since 2003in Windows XP, & now use K750i with it as remote in XP/Vista. Granted it does eats a lot of battery but it is a good feature if your watching a movie with computer hooked to TV.