PC Configuration Request

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1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: Anything except Gaming and Editing (image/video)

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: 45000 Max

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: No

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Windows 7 (exclude)

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: 1 TB

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: 15 to 18 inch

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: Speakers (already have a set of SBS)

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: Immediate

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: Yes/Self Assemble

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Delhi / Will buy from Nehru Place

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Its for my dad really so no heavy graphics stuff / Open to both Intel and AMD / Inter I5/AMD Equivalent or more

Thanks in advance

So, it is just a home usage PC?

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SaiyanGoku said:
So, it is just a home usage PC?

Yes..

G4560: 6,500 (link: INTEL PROCESSOR PENTIUM DUAL CORE G4560 (INTEL 7TH GEN, LGA1151 SOCKET, 3M CACHE, UP TO 3.50 GHz))
Gigabyte GA-B250M-D3H: 7,675 (link: GIGABYTE MOTHERBOARD GA-B250M-D3H (INTEL SOCKET 1151/7TH AND 6TH GENERATION CORE SERIES CPU/MAX 64GB DDR4-2400MHZ MEMORY))
Adata xpg z1 8GBx1 DDR4 2800MHz: 6,100 (link: ADATA DESKTOP RAM XPG Z1 SERIES - 8GB (8GBx1) DDR4 DRAM 2800MHz (AX4U280038G17-SRZ))
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB: 6,830 (link: SAMSUNG INTERNAL SSD 850 EVO 250GB (MZ-75E250BW))
WD Blue 1 TB: 2,995 (link: WESTERN DIGITAL DESKTOP HARD DRIVE 1TB BLUE (WD10EZEX))
Corsair CX450: 3,340 (link: CORSAIR SMPS CX450 - 450 WATT 80 PLUS BRONZE CERTIFICATION ATX PSU WITH ACTIVE PFC)
Antec GX200: 3,075 (link: ANTEC MID TOWER CABINET (ATX) - GX200 WINDOW BLACK)
Benq GW2270H: 7,800 (link: BENQ GW2270H - 21.5 INCH MONITOR (5Ms RESPONSE TIME, FHD VA PANEL))
Logitech MK200 kb+mouse: 920 (link: LOGITECH KEYBOARD & MOUSE COMBO MK200 USB (920-003550))

Total: 45,235

Check prices locally as well. Do not cheap out on any component. If you want a smaller monitor, make sure it is has either IPS or VA 1920*1080 panel and at least 1 HDMI in port. If you want to drop the ssd out, don't. Drop the HDD instead. Don't buy a 100 series mobo. It won't work with G4560 unless you get the bios updated. GX200 has 2 front usb 3.0 ports and apparently good front intake.

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Thanks.. Can we not fit an I5 in the budget ? ;p

arian29 said:
Thanks.. Can we not fot an I5 in the budget ? ;p

G4560 is more than enough for his needs. i5 8400 would cost 14k and mobo which supports it (currently) another 11k minimum.

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SaiyanGoku said:
G4560 is more than enough for his needs. i5 8400 would cost 14k and mobo which supports it (currently) another 11k minimum.

Great.. Thanks a ton

Any options in AMD ? Umm.. what about the 6th gen I5s.. wont that be better than the pentium ? Also why i should invest in an SSD for regular work ?

arian29 said:
Great.. Thanks a ton Any options in AMD ? Umm.. what about the 6th gen I5s.. wont that be better than the pentium ? Also why i should invest in an SSD for regular work ?

Look buddy, a G4560 can handle 1080p gaming if paired with a gtx 1060. Buying i5 would have no performance improvement in his usage. SSD improves the loading times.

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Budget -47.5K

Intel Pentium G4560 -6500,
Gigabyte GA-B250M-D3H -7000,
Corsair Value Series 8GB 3000Mhz -6000,
Corsair CX550 -4500,
Antec GX200 -3000,
WD Caviar Blue 1TB -3500,
Crucial MX300 275GB SSD -7000,
LG 22MP68VQ-P 22" LED IPS -9000,
Logitech MK200 KB/Mouse Combo -1000.
TOTAL -47,500.

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Take out the ssd and get a Ryzen.

billubakra said:
Take out the ssd and get a Ryzen.

VERY bad idea.

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SaiyanGoku said:
VERY bad idea.

Why? Leave the loading times for a second.

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@SaiyanGoku why Adata ram?It is not just you but most other members here too recommend it over corsair,kingston & even Transcend which are far more established brands.

@bssunilreddy why are you suggesting a 550W psu for a non-gaming/non-video editing home use system?

@billubakra it is not just loading time,using ssd is like using metro while using hdd is like using mumbai local as far as user experience is concerned.

billubakra said:
Why? Leave the loading times for a second.

Ryzen needs dedicated GPU, at least for current lineup. APUs are stuck on older architecture. It won't affect performance in day-to-day tasks which is OP's main usage.

whitestar_999 said:
@SaiyanGoku why Adata ram?It is not just you but most other members here too recommend it over corsair,kingston & even Transcend which are far more established brands.

I searched for 8gb ddr4 desktop ram available in stock on mdcomputers and that was the cheapest one there at the time of posting. OP is free to get any good 2400 MHz or above 8GB DDR4 ram which suits the budget.

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That I am aware of but is it worth saving few hundred rupees(I am assuming difference is around 300-400) by not getting kingston or corsair or even transcend ram.Ram is after all a very crucial component in a system.

What is the difference between regular RAM and premium RAM for eg. Corsair Value Select vs. Corsair Vengeance if the frequency is same say 2400?

Are SSDs reliable enough for long term use as main disk?

Does the Pentium chip mentioned here include ondie graphics or the motherboard does?

sling-shot said:
Does the Pentium chip mentioned here include ondie graphics or the motherboard does?

Yes it does have Intel HD 610. No mobo has onboard graphics these days.

sling-shot said:
What is the difference between regular RAM and premium RAM for eg. Corsair Value Select vs. Corsair Vengeance if the frequency is same say 2400?

The heat spreaders differ. Value select modules may come without the sleek looking shroud. Other that that, their timings and compatibility with ryzen CPUs may be different as well.

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SaiyanGoku said:
Yes it does have Intel HD 610. No mobo has onboard graphics these days.

Actually intel server mobos do(for use with xeon processors) but are very costly.

whitestar_999 said:
Actually intel server mobos do(for use with xeon processors) but are very costly.

Oh, I didn't knew that. I've never looked into server hardware. Nobody posts a query for server config here on the forum anyway.

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I know,I too only came to know about this a week ago while replying to this thread & searching:
Motherboard for HP server ML10

I believe SSDs are not yet worth the price, since the processor is a permanent non upgradable component, i would suggest getting a Ryzen and skipping the SSD.

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mitraark said:
I believe SSDs are not yet worth the price, since the processor is a permanent non upgradable component, i would suggest getting a Ryzen and skipping the SSD.

I disagree,the above statement only applies to those people who can successfully push their processor to 90% or above usage in their day-to-day operations & unless you are doing some serious virtualization/encoding/editing/decoding stuff I seriously doubt you can even push the latest pentium dual core G4560 to such ends.

SSDs on other hand can enhance overall user experience on even years old system & are great for every possible system configuration if one has the budget.What would you achieve by sacrificing ssd to get ryzen if you can not even push it to 40% usage in your tasks compared to a G4560 which you might be able to push to 50% with some efforts but with a ssd now?

Going the Ryzen route would give the OP and upgrade path, which the G4560 will not. If the OP is looking to upgrade in a couple years, the Ryzen would provide more value. The Intel path will let you go max till a 7700K which should be okay another couple years.

If you are using Windows 10, you will see 100% processor usage quite often.

sling-shot said:
If you are using Windows 10, you will see 100% processor usage quite often.

AMD releases tweaked power profile for Ryzen users on Windows 10 | KitGuru

sling-shot said:
If you are using Windows 10, you will see 100% processor usage quite often.

I'm using licensed windows 10 on my T200 and never have I ever seen processor loaded to 100% except when I play hevc 10 bit videos.

jasku said:
Going the Ryzen route would give the OP and upgrade path, which the G4560 will not. If the OP is looking to upgrade in a couple years, the Ryzen would provide more value. The Intel path will let you go max till a 7700K which should be okay another couple years.

I agree with this except ryzen would require OP to sacrifice ssd to get a dGPU which, again, is not required for OP's usage when iGPU (hd 610) is perfectly fine for 4k playback. (link: HD Graphics 610 - Intel).
Even if it was a "gaming" pc in the budget, ryzen won't make sense.

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sling-shot said:
What is the difference between regular RAM and premium RAM for eg. Corsair Value Select vs. Corsair Vengeance if the frequency is same say 2400?

in addition to what saiyan goku mentioned , they are likely binned better as well , and may overclock better ..

Are SSDs reliable enough for long term use as main disk?

SSD have lower failure rates than hard drives , but they are more prone to data getting corrupted than HDD , So backups are even more important with SSD .. and it is very hard to recover data from a failed SSD than it is with HDD generally ... but the speed and less failure rate( and longer warranties as well in some cases ) makes it much better than HDD if you don't require additional storage space...

if you do , a 120gb SSD + 1tb combo is much better .. or even a 64 gb one ..

HDD I/O is the biggest bottleneck of modern Systems , SSD is atleast 20 times faster than a hard drive in random speeds ( very important ) . random speeds of hard disk is only 1.5 MB/s on average..

jasku said:
Going the Ryzen route would give the OP and upgrade path, which the G4560 will not. If the OP is looking to upgrade in a couple years, the Ryzen would provide more value. The Intel path will let you go max till a 7700K which should be okay another couple years.

what is the use of upgrade path if all this PC is ever going to be used as a basic system .. ? that upgrade path comes at a cost too ( Ryzen 3 1200 being Rs 2500 expensive + Rs 2500 cost of a DGPU ).. unless you are going with A6 9500 , which is older and slower than g4560

i think 3000 Rs is being wasted on a B250 board , when you can have a decent H110 board for Rs 4500 , and OP buying from Nehru place , shouldn't be hard to get 1 with an updated BIOS

you can fit HDD and SSD within that budget easily or save money

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bssunilreddy said:
AMD releases tweaked power profile for Ryzen users on Windows 10 | KitGuru

I am using Ryzen 1600, which driver should I download out of the following?
Chipset
And did anyone notice any improvement in performance with this driver?

billubakra said:
I m using Ryzen 1600, which driver should I download out of the following?
Chipset
And did anyone notice any improvement in performance with this driver?

*i.imgur.com/pRn8MVw.png

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bssunilreddy said:
*i.imgur.com/pRn8MVw.png

Thanks. Anyone else using these?

The guy in your photo looks like Sunny Leone's husband lol

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sling-shot said:
If you are using Windows 10, you will see 100% processor usage quite often.

100 % usage with which processor ?

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billubakra said:
Thanks. Anyone else using these?

The guy in your photo looks like Sunny Leone's husband lol

Actually he is not even a real person,just a 3D character image(found out using reverse google image search):
Jason, Mathieu Aerni (3D) | MatAerni | CGSociety Forums

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whitestar_999 said:
Actually he is not even a real person,just a 3D character image(found out using reverse google image search):
Jason, Mathieu Aerni (3D) | MatAerni | CGSociety Forums

But he looks like him. Google for Mr. Leone or whoever he is ha ha

why are pentium g4600s and other higher end 7th gen pentium cpus unavailable in india?it seems as of now most retailers only stock the g4560,even though they too are becoming increasingly difficult to find these days.

quicky008 said:
why are pentium g4600s and other higher end 7th gen pentium cpus unavailable in india?it seems as of now most retailers only stock the g4560,even though they too are becoming increasingly difficult to find these days.

G4560 retails around 6-6.5k. If you go a bit higher, you'll get i3 7100 and 8100 (which aren't VFM compared to 4560). If G4560 was still around that 4.5-5k price, G4600 could have been launched for 6-6.5k. Intel cannibalized i3s with G4560 and entry level "gaming" configs became cheaper.

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SaiyanGoku said:
G4560 retails around 6-6.5k. If you go a bit higher, you'll get i3 7100 and 8100 (which aren't VFM compared to 4560). If G4560 was still around that 4.5-5k price, G4600 could have been launched for 6-6.5k. Intel cannibalized i3s with G4560 and entry level "gaming" configs became cheaper.

it is actually now with recent price drop , g4560 available to buy offline for Rs 5000 and 5400 on mdcomputers

INTEL PROCESSOR PENTIUM DUAL CORE G4560 (INTEL 7TH GEN, LGA1151 SOCKET, 3M CACHE, UP TO 3.50 GHz)

quicky008 said:
why are pentium g4600s and other higher end 7th gen pentium cpus unavailable in india?it seems as of now most retailers only stock the g4560,even though they too are becoming increasingly difficult to find these days.

those were never launched in india.. higher end pentiums dont't sell well in india so they don't keep/import stock for india .. , plus there is not much difference in "CPU" performance between higher pentiums , igpu diff is big , but that doesn't matter for most people .. anybody willing to pay more for a pentium , is willing/and usually goes with Core i3.. only last year i3 was a bad deal because pentium started coming with HT and i3 lost their value.. This year everything will be back to normal and i3 sales will be very good again

whitestar_999 said:
Actually he is not even a real person,just a 3D character image(found out using reverse google image search):
Jason, Mathieu Aerni (3D) | MatAerni | CGSociety Forums

Thats jason brody from farcry 3

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Nerevarine said:
Thats jason brody from farcry 3

You are right & it was also mentioned in source thread which I somehow missed:

I have modeled, textured and shaded the main character Jason for Blur Studio's and UBISOFT's FARCRY 3 Cinematic Trailer. The hairs where done by Danny Young in Ornatrix.