PC for 20k..All inclusive

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run?
Ans: Mainly for MS Office , online class ..light gaming Like IGI.

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: under 20K..strechable upto 23k

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: No

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Windows 10 Pro (x64)

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: 1TB HDD

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: Yes, 19"

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: Graphic card

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: in 30 days

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: Yes

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: I live in Kolkata
11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Cabinet, KBD,MOUSE,UPS needed.

Budget -30.6K (Intel APU Rig)

Processor -Intel Pentium Gold G5400 -4.4K (vedantcomputers)
Motherboard -Asus Prime H310M-E -5k
RAM -ADATA XPG D30 8GB 3200Mhz -2.9k
HDD -Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD -3.2k
PSU -Cooler Master MWE 450w -2.5k
Cabinet -Antec VSK 4000B -2.2k
Monitor -BenQ GW2283 22" LED IPS -7.2k (vedantcomputers)
KB Combo -Logitech MK200 -.8k
UPS - APC 600VA UPS -2.4k (Amazon.in)

Total -30.6k

All above prices are taken from mdcomputers except specified above.

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bssunilreddy said:
PSU -Cooler Master MWE 450w -2.5k

Corsair VS450, just a bit costlier but also a bit better & has extra 2 years warranty(total 5 years warranty).

whitestar_999 said:
Corsair VS450, just a bit costlier but also a bit better & has extra 2 years warranty(total 5 years warranty).

Corsair VS Series uses cheaper Chinese capacitors which are for Asian markets.
That's why once I lost my GPU to this PSU.

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bssunilreddy said:
Corsair VS Series uses cheaper Chinese capacitors which are for Asian markets.
That's why once I lost my GPU to this PSU.

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Check the linustechtip psu tier list(the post link in my above post). VS 2017 version(gray white label) is better than old VS series(orange colour label) & I am guessing your VS series psu was older one.

whitestar_999 said:
Check the linustechtip psu tier list(the post link in my above post). VS 2017 version(gray white label) is better than old VS series(orange colour label) & I am guessing your VS series psu was older one.

Yes, older one
I lost my GPU which is GTX960 2GB while using VS550 PSU luckily I claimed my warranty on both the PSU & GPU.

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bssunilreddy said:
Yes, older one
I lost my GPU which is GTX960 2GB while using VS550 PSU luckily I claimed my warranty on both the PSU & GPU.

Older VS series orange label is in tier E(potentially dangerous to use) while newer 2017 version with grey white label is in tier C(recommended for igpu systems) in linustechtips psu tier list.

whitestar_999 said:
Older VS series orange label is in tier E(potentially dangerous to use) while newer 2017 version with grey white label is in tier C(recommended for igpu systems) in linustechtips psu tier list.

We should also not go blindly with Linus Tech Tips we should other Youtubers or testers PSU Tiers as well.

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bssunilreddy said:
We should also not go blindly with Linus Tech Tips we should other Youtubers or testers PSU Tiers as well.

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Yes but that tier list has some reputation not to mention many members here are already using the newer VS 2017 version with no issues. Of course going by that list VS 2017 version should be recommended only for systems with integrated graphics & their power consumption is not much anyway not to mention newer VS 2017 series has been reviewed & it is indeed much better than older VS series & more than enough for non-graphics card low end systems. @chimera201 should know more about this.

*mdcomputers.in/amd-dual-core-athlon-200ge.html

*mdcomputers.in/gigabyte-ga-a320m-s2h-rev-1-x.html

*www.primeabgb.com/online-price-rev...8gb-3000-mhz-ddr4-memory-ax4u300038g16a-sr30/

*www.onlyssd.com/buy/kingston-a400-2-5-inch-240gb-sata-iii-tlc-ssd-sa400s37-240g/

*www.primeabgb.com/online-price-rev...tt-80-plus-white-certified-psu-cp-9020170-uk/

*mdcomputers.in/antec-mid-tower-vsk-4000b.html

Total: ~20k for tower

Monitor: use your current TV

KB Combo -Logitech MK200 -.8k
UPS - APC 600VA UPS -2.4k (Amazon.in)

Add HDD later if required. Use SSD as boot drive.

SaiyanGoku said:
*mdcomputers.in/amd-dual-core-athlon-200ge.html

*mdcomputers.in/gigabyte-ga-a320m-s2h-rev-1-x.html

*www.primeabgb.com/online-price-rev...8gb-3000-mhz-ddr4-memory-ax4u300038g16a-sr30/

*www.onlyssd.com/buy/kingston-a400-2-5-inch-240gb-sata-iii-tlc-ssd-sa400s37-240g/

*www.primeabgb.com/online-price-rev...tt-80-plus-white-certified-psu-cp-9020170-uk/

*mdcomputers.in/antec-mid-tower-vsk-4000b.html

Total: ~20k for tower

Monitor: use your current TV

KB Combo -Logitech MK200 -.8k
UPS - APC 600VA UPS -2.4k (Amazon.in)

Add HDD later if required. Use SSD as boot drive.

All okay except that TV......20 yrs old videocon TV

Amazon not showing APC ups in that price...link pls

avichandana20000 said:
All okay except that TV......20 yrs old videocon TV

Amazon not showing APC ups in that price...link pls

I copy-pasted last 2 lines from Sunil's post.

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avichandana20000 said:
Amazon not showing APC ups in that price...link pls

No need to buy APC ups for such cheap system, just buy some Indian local brand 600VA ups like zebronics,intex,iball etc for ~1.8k.

Amd ATHLON 200GE APU	3658
Gigabyte GA-A320M-S2H (Rev. 1.X)	4300
ADATA XPG Gammix D30 8GB (1X8GB) 3000 MHz DDR4 Memory AX4U300038G16A-SR30	3050
Corsair VS Series VS450 450 Watt 80 PLUS White Certified PSU CP-9020170-UK	2754
Kingston A400 2.5 inch 240GB SATA III TLC SSD SA400S37/240G	2950
DELL D1918H 19 INCH LCD MONITOR	5450
Tvs Champ (PS/2)	477
Logitech M90	320
APC 600	3178
AeroCool Bolt RGB (Black)	2630
	28767

what if i use Frontech/circle/iball etc elcheapo PSU?

avichandana20000 said:
Amd ATHLON 200GE APU
3658
Gigabyte GA-A320M-S2H (Rev. 1.X)
4300
ADATA XPG Gammix D30 8GB (1X8GB) 3000 MHz DDR4 Memory AX4U300038G16A-SR30
3050
Corsair VS Series VS450 450 Watt 80 PLUS White Certified PSU CP-9020170-UK
2754
Kingston A400 2.5 inch 240GB SATA III TLC SSD SA400S37/240G
2950
DELL D1918H 19 INCH LCD MONITOR
5450
Tvs Champ (PS/2)
477
Logitech M90
320
APC 600
3178
AeroCool Bolt RGB (Black)
2630
28767

what if i use Frontech/circle/iball PSU?

You can but keep in mind that it can take entire tower down on its own.

Edit: Don't spend money on RGB case will fewer usb 3.0 ports.

Amd ATHLON 200GE APU	3658
Gigabyte GA-A320M-S2H (Rev. 1.X)	4300
ADATA XPG Gammix D30 8GB (1X8GB) 3000 MHz DDR4 Memory AX4U300038G16A-SR30	3050
Kingston A400 2.5 inch 240GB SATA III TLC SSD SA400S37/240G	2950
Zebronics 15.6 inch (39.6 cm) LED Backlit Computer Monitor	3699
Zebronics Wired Keyboard and Mouse Combo with 104 Keys and a USB Mouse with 1200 DPI - JUWDAA 750	533
Corsair vx 450w(2nd hand)	1500
Zebronics 600 va UPS-U725 for Desktop/Computers	1970
Antec VSK 4000B	2200
	23860

How is this?

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avichandana20000 said:
How is this?

Don't skimp on psu, at least get VS450. If you have to save money then get some local cheap cabinet for ~700-800.

Get the Mobo + Proc + RAM combo 2nd hand. Ideal for such budget builds.

whitestar_999 said:
Older VS series orange label is in tier E(potentially dangerous to use) while newer 2017 version with grey white label is in tier C(recommended for igpu systems) in linustechtips psu tier list.

According to this list my seasonic s12ii psu is in tier d, which is even lower than that of tier c of vs series (2017 models),even though the former was considered to be a pretty robust psu back in the day.

Is there any reason to be concerned about using a tier d psu?

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quicky008 said:
According to this list my seasonic s12ii psu is in tier d, which is even lower than that of tier c of vs series (2017 models),even though the former was considered to be a pretty robust psu back in the day.

Is there any reason to be concerned about using a tier d psu?

That is because of changed ATX power specifications in 2013 which made older psu unsuitable for processors/mobos adopting this newer ATX version. Intel 4th gen was released in 2013 so I guess any older system will be fine.

well i am using it with a 9th gen intel pc at the moment,and so far there have been no problems.Previously it was used to power a haswell i5 system.

Is it safe to continue using this psu or should i get something more modern?its around 3 years old.

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quicky008 said:
well i am using it with a 9th gen intel pc at the moment,and so far there have been no problems.Previously it was used to power a haswell i5 system.

Is it safe to continue using this psu or should i get something more modern?its around 3 years old.

It is recommended to get at least CX550 & sell the seasonic psu but wait for @chimera201 to comment on this.

I don't know why you guys follow linustechtips tier list. That's not any good.

*www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?13048-Another-tier-list-at-LTT

tom's hardware forums list was the most reliable one out there but they scrapped it since they themselves realised it wasn't reliable enough and hard to categorise.

Seasonic S12II is equivalent to Corsair's current CX line overall. But the Seasonic uses an outdated design that might not be good for today's "boosting" CPUs and GPUs in the long run.

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chimera201 said:
I don't know why you guys follow linustechtips tier list. That's not any good.

*www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?13048-Another-tier-list-at-LTT

tom's hardware forums list was the most reliable one out there but they scrapped it since they themselves realised it wasn't reliable enough and hard to categorise.

Seasonic S12II is equivalent to Corsair's current CX line overall. But the Seasonic uses an outdated design that might not be good for today's "boosting" CPUs and GPUs in the long run.

I know jonnyguru is the place to go to but thought linustechtip list is alright for a general purpose(aka proving CX450/550 is the minimum one should get). In any case current CXx5x series is the minimum recommended for almost all pc configs here except for really low end systems. Btw any new promising psu models launched in India or is it still CX550 & TXM series for a majority of pc configs here.

chimera201 said:
I don't know why you guys follow linustechtips tier list. That's not any good.

*www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?13048-Another-tier-list-at-LTT

tom's hardware forums list was the most reliable one out there but they scrapped it since they themselves realised it wasn't reliable enough and hard to categorise.

Seasonic S12II is equivalent to Corsair's current CX line overall. But the Seasonic uses an outdated design that might not be good for today's "boosting" CPUs and GPUs in the long run.

afaik these older PSUs employ something called group regulated design-i think some recent psus like the vs series from corsair also incorporate this technology.

are these psus likely to produce out of spec voltages when are subjected to high loads ,thereby harming any pc component that they might be powering?

seasonic has a lot of higher end models like their focus plus series but they are unfortunately not available in India,but strangely many retailers still sell these older seasonic psus at a hefty premium even today. The s12ii still sells for around 6k at present,even though its based on an older design.

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quicky008 said:
afaik these older PSUs employ something called group regulated design-i think some recent psus like the vs series from corsair also incorporate this technology.

Yes but no psu manufactured in 2017 by any decent company has group regulated design ~~incl VS series 2017 version & that's why it is rated higher than seasonic s12ii at least on paper even if~~(see below) in all other areas it is inferior to seasonic.

quicky008 said:
are these psus likely to produce out of spec voltages when are subjected to high loads ,thereby harming any pc component that they might be powering?

Only under certain conditions which a typical user should not encounter but still it is always better to be cautious.

quicky008 said:
seasonic has a lot of higher end models like their focus plus series but they are unfortunately not available in India,but strangely many retailers still sell these older seasonic psus at a hefty premium even today. The s12ii still sells for around 6k at present,even though its based on an older design.

Because Indian markets are poor(no other way to say it). Companies like seasonic know the reality of Indian market & still allow their discontinued products to sell here because they simply don't care about it.

whitestar_999 said:
Yes but no psu manufactured in 2017 by any decent company has group regulated design incl VS series 2017 version & that's why it is rated higher than seasonic s12ii at least on paper even if in all other areas it is inferior to seasonic.

Corsair VS is group regulated, even the newest one, that's why it's cheap.

*www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-vs650/

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chimera201 said:
Corsair VS is group regulated, even the newest one, that's why it's cheap.

*www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-vs650/

Really? Then how come its reviews are decent enough because I thought any group regulated psu should do poorly on latest hardware regulation tests.

whitestar_999 said:
Really? Then how come its reviews are decent enough because I thought any group regulated psu should do poorly on latest hardware regulation tests.

Yes.

As expected from such an old platform, load regulation is loose, especially on the +12V rail, which is the most important rail in a PSU. The 3.3V rail also dropped notably under high loads and increased operating temperatures.

*www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-vs650/2.html

The crossload tests are out of spec.

Any reviewer that recommends the VS series is basically recommending it because of its price.
TPUs conclusion quote

Usually, I am extra cautious when testing mainstream PSUs because a failure won't just result in fireworks, but may damage my equipment. The Chroma I use is highly tolerant to PSU failures, but that is not the case for my very expensive power analyzer that may take quite the blow if a power supply's primary side explodes, which is why I avoid testing incredibly cheap PSUs.

He is basically praising that such a cheap PSU didn't explode. That doesn't mean the PSU is great

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chimera201 said:
Yes.

*www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-vs650/2.html
The crossload tests are out of spec.

Any reviewer that recommends the VS series is basically recommending it because of its price.
TPUs conclusion quote

He is basically praising that such a cheap PSU didn't explode. That doesn't mean the PSU is great

Ok! I never suggested it for graphics card builds anyway so what are the chances of this flaw of group regulation coming into play on systems using integrated graphics like ryzen 2200/3200G or intel low end integrated graphics processors with no graphics card.

whitestar_999 said:
Ok! I never suggested it for graphics card builds anyway so what are the chances of this flaw of group regulation coming into play on systems using integrated graphics like ryzen 2200/3200G or intel low end integrated graphics processors with no graphics card.

It shouldn't be a problem for systems with no discrete graphics card and with a budget CPU. Today's GPUs does a lot of boosting tricks which stresses the PSU a lot.

I met a guy using a vs 650(older orange label unit) on a pc with an amd fx cpu and 1080ti a while ago-he claims its working fine and that he hasn't faced any issues with his setup, even though using such a group regulated psu is supposed to be dangerous.

Vs psus are quite popular in India and many people use them despite their outdated design due to the low price tag, even in relatively powerful builds.

In my case i am using the seasonic unit with an i5 9400f and gtx 1060 6gb-i hope it won't cause any problems soon as i don't have the means to replace it immediately.

I think even antec's vp psus are group regulated as well.

quicky008 said:
I met a guy using a vs 650(older orange label unit) on a pc with an amd fx cpu and 1080ti a while ago-he claims its working fine and that he hasn't faced any issues with his setup, even though using such a group regulated psu is supposed to be dangerous.

Vs psus are quite popular in India and many people use them despite their outdated design due to the low price tag, even in relatively powerful builds.

In my case i am using the seasonic unit with an i5 9400f and gtx 1060 6gb-i hope it won't cause any problems soon as i don't have the means to replace it immediately.

I think even antec's vp psus are group regulated as well.

Since I started gaming 21 years ago, I lost 3 GPUs, 3 motherboards, 3 PSUs while I was using el cheapo PSUs.
Even when I was using Seasonic Gold rated PSU once lightning hit my house and all components got fried except processor, RAM,UPS since all were in warranty I got them replaced somehow.
This is why where ever I go or move into a new house I get it checked for earthing.
The cheapest PSUs I used are CoolerMasterMWE series and Corsair VS series.
These are such dangerous ones in those days.
I think coolermaster have improved a lot nowadays comparing Corsair VS nowadays.

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quicky008 said:
I met a guy using a vs 650(older orange label unit) on a pc with an amd fx cpu and 1080ti a while ago-he claims its working fine and that he hasn't faced any issues with his setup, even though using such a group regulated psu is supposed to be dangerous.

Don't worry, these are the guys who usually end up losing large amount of money in incidents like online scamming/cheating/share markets etc even if their luck save them in running their pc.

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bssunilreddy said:
I think coolermaster have improved a lot nowadays comparing Corsair VS nowadays.

Who told you so? Current Corsair CX450/550/650 are the only good budget psu models available among all the brands in India.

whitestar_999 said:
Who told you so? Current Corsair CX450/550/650 are the only good budget psu models available among all the brands in India.

I was watching the forums and reddit nowadays and nobody have complained about losing their PCs due to using such PSUs.
But I know about JohnnyGurus PSU tier classification which I follow always.
But you are basing your views on Linus Tech Tips classification.
Sometimes YouTube reviewers reviews are biased like paid reviews.
That's why I choose & selected Johnny Gurus PSU Classification.
Maybe you are right maybe because it was covered by techpowerup.
Like Corsair VS Series new PSUs.
Mentioned by Chimera

PS: I was speaking about Corsair VS series new ones not Corsair CX series. And their reviews.
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bssunilreddy said:
I was watching the forums and reddit nowadays and nobody have complained about losing their PCs due to using such PSUs.
But I know about JohnnyGurus PSU tier classification which I follow always.
But you are basing your views on Linus Tech Tips classification.
Sometimes YouTube reviewers reviews are biased like paid reviews.
That's why I choose & selected Johnny Gurus PSU Classification.
Maybe you are right maybe because it was covered by techpowerup.
Like Corsair VS Series new PSUs.
Mentioned by Chimera

PS: I was speaking about Corsair VS series new ones not Corsair CX series. And their reviews.
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Nowadays nobody lose their pc because of psu(at least online) unless they got some very bad psu with very good hardware which rarely happens because the most likely people to post such matters online are also the same people who ask for suggestions online for pc builds. I don't rely on any youtube reviews or even linustechtips tier list which I only use to make others understand in a simple way because jonnyguru forum level talk will go over the head of most people asking for psu suggestion. I have been following corsair CX x5x series performance since 2018 & I have also discussed it a lot at jonnyguru forums too so I know CX 2017 series is a good option. I only recommend VS 2017 series for extremely low end psu build with very tight budget otherwise I always recommend at least CX450 or CX550.

whitestar_999 said:
Nowadays nobody lose their pc because of psu(at least online) unless they got some very bad psu with very good hardware which rarely happens because the most likely people to post such matters online are also the same people who ask for suggestions online for pc builds. I don't rely on any youtube reviews or even linustechtips tier list which I only use to make others understand in a simple way because jonnyguru forum level talk will go over the head of most people asking for psu suggestion. I have been following corsair CX x5x series performance since 2018 & I have also discussed it a lot at jonnyguru forums too so I know CX 2017 series is a good option. I only recommend VS 2017 series for extremely low end psu build with very tight budget otherwise I always recommend at least CX450 or CX550.

Good to hear this

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how is antec ea750g pro PSU?

avichandana20000 said:
how is antec ea750g pro PSU?

I am using this above PSU and it's simply superb. No problems what so ever.

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avichandana20000 said:
how is antec ea750g pro PSU?

8k PSU in a 20k rig?

SaiyanGoku said:
8k PSU in a 20k rig?

no no ...general query

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avichandana20000 said:
how is antec ea750g pro PSU?

It is a good psu but only if you get the latest version that comes with 7 years warranty logo. @chimera201 still any doubts about old & new version of this model currently?

The 7 yrs warranty logo should be enough to ensure it's the new EAG Pro.

A while ago i came across some posts on another forum (probably linustechtips.com) wherein it was said that certain models of the new antec ea pro gold series psus tend to shut down or act unpredictably when subjected to high transient loads, esp those created by power hungry gpus.

Because of that issue, this psu was moved down to tier d in their psu tier list. But recently i observed that they have been moved back to a higher tier again.

Does anyone have any info on this alleged fault/defect of the antec psus? Is it still present in the current batch of ea gold psus that are being sold in the market or has it been rectified by the manufacturer in their later revisions?

chimera201 said:
The 7 yrs warranty logo should be enough to ensure it's the new EAG Pro.

Bought this for my system.

avichandana20000 said:
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Bought this for my system.

Yes that's the new one.