Piracy ratio low in India compared to other countries

Yes, it is true.

I m studying BCA & in it's book it says India has 73% piracy ratio.

Thailand 99%

Myanmar 90%

USA 35%

etc, etc.

So compared to thailand and other like countries, piracy is very low in India.

I wonder what do people in Thailand do.

Only 1 original software CD and all aother pirated?Does it makes sense?

What if any of u guys go to Thailand?? U must search the whole of Thailand for getting a original CD!! Piracy is bad, isn't it??

Comment guys.

I think we need to work more on increasing piracy in india. We have to be number 1. *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/24.gif

Now i understand, no matter how hardwe try, Thai's are ahead of us.
Most of them won't even be knowing what an original s/w is....lol

Im doing as much as i can.

Helping india reach the first in everything ..including this. =))

let's use Linux and leave the pirate's life!

the only reason for this is the increasing share of branded pcs among desktops

khansaqib101 said:
Yes, it is true.

I m studying BCA & in it's book it says India has 73% piracy ratio.

Thailand 99%

Myanmar 90%

USA 35%

etc, etc.

So compared to thailand and other like countries, piracy is very low in India.

I wonder what do people in Thailand do.

Only 1 original software CD and all aother pirated?Does it makes sense?

What if any of u guys go to Thailand?? U must search the whole of Thailand for getting a original CD!! Piracy is bad, isn't it??

Comment guys.

I wonder why we always compare ourself with the bottom of the table. USA has 35% piracy. We think that 80% piracy is low. How pathetic!!!

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Just wait till the population that has a PC grows and don't worry at this population growth rate we should be there in no time. Considering that most folks monthly salary reaches the cost of Windows XP or whatever. Would you buy it if you had a salary of 6k (I'm not sure it is 6k so bear on this)? A laborer makes around Rs 200 - 300 in Kerala. Most of them don't get permanent jobs anyway but if you do consider them getting Rs 300 and work for 30 days then 2/3rd of their salary just went down the drain for Windows. Lets not even go into Office products.

I wonder why we always compare ourself with the bottom of the table. USA has 35% piracy. We think that 80% piracy is low. How pathetic!!!

Have you considered the PC penetration factors which is definitely going to be more there than here. From your post I'm not sure You think that USA 35% is great since they have lesser piracy? In my honest opinion they should be dead ashamed that it even has more than 10%. Folks over there don't do the regular INR x 40 (whatever the rate is ) conversion. For them its just $99. Most good colleges over there give it to their students for free anyway. I would love to see some colleges here do the same

. So if you consider the above economic factors and the cost of this . I would definitely say that yes it is low.

I'm not making this a Linux is the way to go kind of thread but definitely I must point out that many computer manufacturers are now giving Linux as an option with their products.

exx_2000 said:
Just wait till the population that has a PC grows and don't worry at this population growth rate we should be there in no time. Considering that most folks monthly salary reaches the cost of Windows XP or whatever. Would you buy it if you had a salary of 6k (I'm not sure it is 6k so bear on this)? A laborer makes around Rs 200 - 300 in Kerala. Most of them don't get permanent jobs anyway but if you do consider them getting Rs 300 and work for 30 days then 2/3rd of their salary just went down the drain for Windows. Lets not even go into Office products.

Have you considered the PC penetration factors which is definitely going to be more there than here. From your post I'm not sure You think that USA 35% is great since they have lesser piracy? In my honest opinion they should be dead ashamed that it even has more than 10%. Folks over there don't do the regular INR x 40 (whatever the rate is ) conversion. For them its just $99. Most good colleges over there give it to their students for free anyway. I would love to see some colleges here do the same . So if you consider the above economic factors and the cost of this . I would definitely say that yes it is low.

I'm not making this a Linux is the way to go kind of thread but definitely I must point out that many computer manufacturers are now giving Linux as an option with their products.

putting price as the reason for piracy does not make sense.

It's like "Steal a car and use it if you cannot buy it". You have money, you buy a car else get a two wheeler. if you cannot even buy a two wheeler, go by public transport.

Should be the same with software. Can't buy Windows Vista, get xp. Can't buy XP, get Linux.

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desiibond said:
putting price as the reason for piracy does not make sense.

It's like "Steal a car and use it if you cannot buy it". You have money, you buy a car else get a two wheeler. if you cannot even buy a two wheeler, go by public transport.

WIth software they don't get any percivably tangible thing as you get in hardware. Thus, people don't feel comfortable in buying softwares.

desiibond said:
Should be the same with software. Can't buy Windows Vista, get xp. Can't buy XP, get Linux.

That's such a stupid way to think.

desiibond said:
putting price as the reason for piracy does not make sense.

It's like "Steal a car and use it if you cannot buy it". You have money, you buy a car else get a two wheeler. if you cannot even buy a two wheeler, go by public transport.

Should be the same with software. Can't buy Windows Vista, get xp. Can't buy XP, get Linux.

In that case India won't improve at all. Now see " Can many of us ll even get chance to run Photoshop, 3D MAX, or at least Vista Ultimate' if there was no piracy? People ll think Cpmputer is one of the most expensive thing [h/w + s/w]. India has developed this much over past few years nd piracy too has its hands on it.
Now at least most people know how to operate a computer. I think in that case maybe India wud be LINUX nation[bad for gamerz].

First let India develop, nd after a certain stage, let the law be strich against piracy. It ll be difficult, but not impossible. Thats seems the case of Europe. They have higher piracy that India nd they are much developed too.

But its not the case in USA. They can always go the legal way as they have the money to burn at least for OS nd some basic s/w. There is still piracy close to 35% coz of some undergroung youths [i think] who lead their life in hackin, pirating, ....., nd ofcourse gaming.

mehulved said:
WIth software they don't get any percivably tangible thing as you get in hardware. Thus, people don't feel comfortable in buying softwares.

That's such a stupid way to think.

Oh yes. Finding alternative to paid software is stupid way to think and stealing software isn't. Great thiking there by mehulved. Hats off!!!!

aravind_n20 said:
In that case India won't improve at all. Now see " Can many of us ll even get chance to run Photoshop, 3D MAX, or at least Vista Ultimate' if there was no piracy? People ll think Cpmputer is one of the most expensive thing [h/w + s/w]. India has developed this much over past few years nd piracy too has its hands on it.
Now at least most people know how to operate a computer. I think in that case maybe India wud be LINUX nation[bad for gamerz].

First let India develop, nd after a certain stage, let the law be strich against piracy. It ll be difficult, but not impossible. Thats seems the case of Europe. They have higher piracy that India nd they are much developed too.

But its not the case in USA. They can always go the legal way as they have the money to burn at least for OS nd some basic s/w. There is still piracy close to 35% coz of some undergroung youths [i think] who lead their life in hackin, pirating, ....., nd ofcourse gaming.

Yes. it's difficult to buy new software. But why can't we search for alternative. Give it a try. Learn. If photoshop is costly, why can't we try Gimp?

Okay. You say let India develop. What about those earning 5-10 lakhs per year and still downloading songs and movies from Internet. they can easily buy any kind of software but still, NO. The mindset is like that. I am saying this is what should be changed.

Someone says we are better than thailand in terms of Piracy. Other thinks "well then, let me copy some songs from internet. After all we are not the worst in piracy ".

i think the s/w developers shud plan to make profit from counries where piracy is least. Whats if they have earned more that enuf from developed countries? Do they want those extra bucks[wud be some 10% of the amount they get fromUS or other developed] from the developing nd under developed? Do they intent to get those hard earned money whose monthly salary is <5digits/pm inr? I wud say they shud not have it.

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putting price as the reason for piracy does not make sense.
It's like "Steal a car and use it if you cannot buy it". You have money, you buy a car else get a two wheeler. if you cannot even buy a two wheeler, go by public transport.
Should be the same with software. Can't buy Windows Vista, get xp. Can't buy XP, get Linux.

There are two main reasons people pirate in my view.
1. Just for giggles and laughs
2. People aren't born with a gold spoon in the mouth to get each and every paid software on the market.

I'm not here to put a cramp in the IT industry and somehow portray the picture that Piracy is good. I was explaining why Piracy is happening and why it seemed to be low in India . Compared to others.
As mehulved said earlier since there is no foreseen tangible benefits for the end user as far as he/she is concerned.

Should be the same with software. Can't buy Windows Vista, get xp. Can't buy XP, get Linux.

That's such a stupid way to think.

I believe that this response was towards your statement shown above.

Okay. You say let India develop. What about those earning 5-10 lakhs per year and still downloading songs and movies from Internet. they can easily buy any kind of software but still, NO. The mindset is like that. I am saying this is what should be changed.

Where exactly did you get this data from again? D you have access to some white paper with this stats. I would love to see Piracy with respect to annual income details.

Someone says we are better than thailand in terms of Piracy. Other thinks "well then, let me copy some songs from internet. After all we are not the worst in piracy ".

I have seen many folks who download stuff off the Internet. Its their connection its their view, its there time. but I have yet to see one who said "Yo bro I'm downloading this movie cause somehow we are way back in the piracy ratings . We really need to get India up in the list. "

desiibond said:
]Can't buy Windows Vista, get xp. Can't buy XP, get Linux.

this is what mehulved pointed out.usage of Linux and FOSS is not for cheap and free!it is another community movement and Open Source is way more secure and For that matter,Linux or any UNIX/UNIX-like systems are very much secure.try wikipedia for more info.many windows users thinks that way and many,hate to know the reality,that is :LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS!
infact no "alternate" windows!dont expect linux to be like windows!learn to move to the new platform asap.those who started with windows will always find it hard to move to Linux/BSDs and Open Source.take ur time!
I think if u can,read below link which i often carry as my siggy for new Linux users and aspirants:
*linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
^Hope you understands!

Let broadband mature and see the torrent downloads shoot up

And who said the pirates are not paying anythin for the songs, movies nd s/w which they dl? Many of us are paying a huge amount to the ISP.
I think primarly the ISPs has to be sued for the shoot in piracy.

gud point there phreak0ut

^then the freedom of internet is gone

khansaqib101 said:
I m studying BCA & in it's book it says India has 73% piracy ratio.

First thing I'd like to ask: How did they arrive at this figure????? Figures like piracy, OSS users are something which is un-certain and it will be un-certain for most of our lives!!! How can you even get the piracy ratio?

desiibond said:
Can't buy Windows Vista, get xp. Can't buy XP, get Linux.

This means all GNU/Linux users are bankrupt/living an "udhar ki zindagi"/beggers/rag pickers/street urchins et al.....

Ok, I bought a Windows XP Pro licence and also use GNU/Linux. Does that mean I am well-to-do-guy at daytime and a begger at night????

Thats a very illogical, lame, foolish and insulting thought, you've posted.

infra_red_dude said:
First thing I'd like to ask: How did they arrive at this figure????? Figures like piracy, OSS users are something which is un-certain and it will be un-certain for most of our lives!!! How can you even get the piracy ratio?

This means all GNU/Linux users are bankrupt/living an "udhar ki zindagi"/beggers/rag pickers/street urchins et al.....

Ok, I bought a Windows XP Pro licence and also use GNU/Linux. Does that mean I am well-to-do-guy at daytime and a begger at night????

Thats a very illogical, lame, foolish and insulting thought, you've posted.

wow. What an illogical conversion of the post. Bravo. You should go to IIM and will come out as a topper.

If someone's using some service like free internet on mobile, does that mean that they are bankrupt?
It's a shame on you that you term yourself as linux user. It's people like you that encourage piracy.

Piracy means nothing for you. But, tomorrow when you develop a revolutionary software and put it on sale and there are 10 copies sold and 1000 copies copied illegally, you will come to know the pain of illegal use of software. Then you will be the first one to say NO to piracy. LOSER!!!!

The post that you highlighted is meant to show alternate s/w. If you think that it means linux users are bankrupt, huh, what can I say?? There is no double meaning nikalo inam jeeto contest here. So, think positive.

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Bond are you in software development?

Just curious.

praka123 said:
infact no "alternate" windows!d

Totally agree with your post but React OS!

Developers thik in this way:
If there are 100 legal copies sold, but already some 500 has got pirated version. Nd if there was no piracy then legal copies sold will be 100+500.
And in case say each copy is for 1k. Then total loss=500k.
its dumb thinkin. Why cud they imagine those people will afford to buy? Coz they might have got the pirated stuus coz:
*They cudn't have afforded it.
*They dun want to enjoy all the features, supports, updates etc. They just wanna use it-thats all.
*One has to go through more pain in buying, nd after installation, he has to activate via net or somethin on every install. [for eg: steam sux]. For pirates-its as easy as download nd istall at one go-nd is ready to use.
*Suppose one buy one version of s/w for a huge amount nd the customer is not fully satisfied with product due to limitations of that versions, but the company went on releasing another versions of it every year or so. He barelly afforded to buy one version, but the developers are releasing versions frequently he can't afford every one. So hight go the pirate way.[maybe the company will provide discounts for those who own previos, but that just isn't enuf for the customer].

aravind_n20 said:
Developers thik in this way:
If there are 100 legal copies sold, but already some 500 has got pirated version. Nd if there was no piracy then legal copies sold will be 100+500.
And in case say each copy is for 1k. Then total loss=500k.
its dumb thinkin.

It's business. Pirates might think of it as dumb thinking. But in todays software market, every penny counts. I said before that most people that use pirated software can afford original version. How many songs that you have in your PC/music player are oriinal?

Why cud they imagine those people will afford to buy? Coz they might have got the pirated stuus coz:

*They cudn't have afforded it.

We have linux and free apps for them. You can't afford a car, you will not touch it. You can't afford a mobile phone, you go for one that fits your budget. You can't afford a laptop, you go for a desktop. You can't afford a gaming console, you go for a vaniall GPU. You can't afford a software, you get the pirated edition. WHY DOES IT HAPPEN ONLY WITH SOFTWRE/MUSIC/MOVIES?

*They dun want to enjoy all the features, supports, updates etc. They just wanna use it-thats all.

What should we call this? Wanna use a software, then grab a pirated edition?? NO. Try to afford it. If you cannot, there's always an alternate in OSS world. By saying this, I mean alternate and not saying that those who are trying OSS are bankrupt.

*One has to go through more pain in buying, nd after installation, he has to activate via net or somethin on every install. [for eg: steam sux]. For pirates-its as easy as download nd istall at one go-nd is ready to use.

Simple solution. Try the trial edition first. There are more than enough paid/free alternate to the software that you choose. Get the one that suites your needs.

*Suppose one buy one version of s/w for a huge amount nd the customer is not fully satisfied with product due to limitations of that versions, but the company went on releasing another versions of it every year or so. He barelly afforded to buy one version, but the developers are releasing versions frequently he can't afford every one. So hight go the pirate way.[maybe the company will provide discounts for those who own previos, but that just isn't enuf for the customer].

As I said above, try the trial version. Try other softwares. Get the best that suites our needs. Nothing is perfect. Try to get the one that suites you.

Tech_Wiz said:
Bond are you in software development? Just curious.

Those words are sweet to hear..But u too know already the extend of it in practical.
People just ca't think of spending thousands on just s/w.

Guys like Saurav, Vishal has made our country down in this thing by using Genuine Softwares

aravind_n20 said:
Those words are sweet to hear..But u too know already the extend of it in practical.
People just ca't think of spending thousands on just s/w.

hah. You are not going into a war with America. It's simle thing. Use of alternate softwares when you can't afford the original software.

Windows -> ubuntu
office -> open office
nero -> poweriso
IE -> firefox

And for every software, there is alternate software and without trying, people say it's not easy. HUH.

Pathetic state of mind.

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desiibond said:
hah. You are not going into a war with America. It's simle thing. Use of alternate softwares when you can't afford the original software.

Windows -> ubuntu
office -> open office
nero -> poweriso
IE -> firefox

And for every software, there is alternate software and without trying, people say it's not easy. HUH.

Pathetic state of mind.

Whatever!!!...fact remains that most people use unlicensed software because they CAN do so. If I can use windows (which is what every tom dick and harry uses), and run all the popular games and software and connect all popular hardware (camera/printer/whatever) without having to pay for Windows, why the hell would I spend 5K for it? Typical human nature...thats all.

Unless there's a reasonable fear of getting caught, or there is something substantially better in going for Linux (other than the moral grounds), this is not gonna change. Like it or not...thats the truth.

gulgulumaal said:
Whatever!!!...fact remains that most people use unlicensed software because they CAN do so. If I can use windows (which is what every tom dick and harry uses), and run all the popular games and software and connect all popular hardware (camera/printer/whatever) without having to pay for Windows, why the hell would I spend 5K for it? Typical human nature...thats all.

Unless there's a reasonable fear of getting caught, or there is something substantially better in going for Linux (other than the moral grounds), this is not gonna change. Like it or not...thats the truth.

huh. hat's off for showing the truth.

There is a saying "Billi jab ghar mein ghus ke doodh peeti hai to aankhein bandh karti hai aur sochti hai ki koi nahih dekh rahan hai...". Who knows, tomorrow, police might come to your house and arrest for illegal use of software. Think of the humiliation that comes after that.

If you ever make great software, it's these original s/w users that take your company upwards.

Imagine what would have happened if Micrososft's software was pirated right from the very first version by everyone across the globe. It would have shutdown by now.

What a gross thinking of truth.

desiibond said:
huh. hat's off for showing the truth.

There is a saying "Billi jab ghar mein ghus ke doodh peeti hai to aankhein bandh karti hai aur sochti hai ki koi nahih dekh rahan hai...". Who knows, tomorrow, police might come to your house and arrest for illegal use of software. Think of the humiliation that comes after that.

If you ever make great software, it's these original s/w users that take your company upwards.

Imagine what would have happened if Micrososft's software was pirated right from the very first version by everyone across the globe. It would have shutdown by now.

What a gross thinking of truth.

There are many people who thinks like u, nd they are enuf to keep the company up nd running.
[no offence]

Im a BIG fan of Captain Jack Sparrow: One of world's notorious pirate

^^^^you can even make God use pirated software [no offense]

desiibond said:
If someone's using some service like free internet on mobile, does that mean that they are bankrupt?

desiibond said:
Should be the same with software. Can't buy Windows Vista, get xp. Can't buy XP, get Linux.

Doesn't it suggest the same?

I use GNU/Linux. So as per your post I can't buy Vista. I can't even buy XP. Hence, I'm forced to use Linux!

desiibond said:
It's a shame on you that you term yourself as linux user. It's people like you that encourage piracy.

Piracy means nothing for you. But, tomorrow when you develop a revolutionary software and put it on sale and there are 10 copies sold and 1000 copies copied illegally, you will come to know the pain of illegal use of software. Then you will be the first one to say NO to piracy. LOSER!!!!

Plz mind your language and evaluate someone properly before making allegations.

desiibond said:
The post that you highlighted is meant to show alternate s/w. If you think that it means linux users are bankrupt, huh, what can I say?? There is no double meaning nikalo inam jeeto contest here. So, think positive.

The way you put it suggested otherwise. Not just to me, but to other Linux users and you can see that for yourself. So when you post something, make it clear. Improperly chosen words may totally alter the meaning.

I'm still waiting to know the credibility and the method used to know the piracy rate in various countries, as posted by the thread starter.

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see.. according to me.. anything above 60 % piracy is't good provided that the price of the software is high...
ya for example windows.. 70-80 % of us use pirated right?
the price of win xp is 5k lets say...
if they reduce the price to say 400 bucks 70- 80 percent will buy windows atleast(leave other softwares aside)

and i'm against open source also... where shud software engineers go? burning their a$$ sitting 10 hrs daily 5 days a week just to design a part of the software...

and this is my another view.. piracy can be complete eradicated
but software companies dont want to..
lets take microsoft, price of win xp is 5k lets say, and they will completly secure it ( say if it cant be pirated at all....)
only 10-20 percent will use windows.. rest will use linux.. there by windows loses its popularity.. as simple as that...

^^^ Yes and as a matter of fact companies will not let piracy die! A person working in the IT dept. of a company downloads and uses Office 2007 (pirated of corz); makes it his daily use software. Now he's so used to it that he can't do with it. He persuades the purchase committee of his company to buy 20 copies of Office 2007 for his office. So how much as the company lost actually? 20 original copies - 1 pirated = 19 original! So thats huge profit for them.

Why don't companies conduct raids in small shops and homes? Simple, for this reason. They know for every pirated copy a home user uses, some or the otherway it leads to profit for them. Net result is that they actually end up earning (most of the times, considering big companies).

adithya s said:
and i'm against open source also... where shud software engineers go? burning their a$$ sitting 10 hrs daily 5 days a week just to design a part of the software...

Free Open Source model is a evolving model and it is based on different licenses which preserves the rights to make sure the code is available for modification for the enduser.imho nothing wrong in that.with FOSS,the knowledge is shared unlike closed source model with software patenting.if open source is so against software devels,then why do companies like redhat,novell,tivo etc employs s/w engineers and are running in good profit?the current successful model is subscription model where by the bugfixes and extra features can be subscribed from the company.

with LAMP etc,even any individual can make money with FOSS.
*follars.com

and last but not least,GNU/Linux is not an "alternate" windows for someone who cannot afford!it is indeed a different,completely different Operating System similar to UNIX and superior too
Linux is NOT Windows:
*linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

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adithya_s said:
and i'm against open source also... where shud software engineers go? burning their a$$ sitting 10 hrs daily 5 days a week just to design a part of the software...

Please go and read on Open Source. The whole definition of Open Source goes against your assumptions. In fact the term open source was coined so that people don't make mistakes like this.
Show me one place where it is mentioned that open source apps have to be free of cost. If you do I will stop posting in this forum forever and even stop using anything open source.
And show me one big open source project where there's a lone developer. In fact many a times there's a team of core developers, who are hired and paid by big companies like Red Hat, Novell, IBM, Sun Microsystems.
Also, when you buy softwares from MS, Apple, etc you are draining our countries money to the vendors outside India. Even if the whole application was developed by an Indian, he'll get a tiny fraction of the money from those corporates. On the other hand Open Source is more likely to get more money by making the developers within the country active.

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desiibond said:
huh. hat's off for showing the truth.

There is a saying "Billi jab ghar mein ghus ke doodh peeti hai to aankhein bandh karti hai aur sochti hai ki koi nahih dekh rahan hai...". Who knows, tomorrow, police might come to your house and arrest for illegal use of software. Think of the humiliation that comes after that.

If you ever make great software, it's these original s/w users that take your company upwards.

Imagine what would have happened if Micrososft's software was pirated right from the very first version by everyone across the globe. It would have shutdown by now.

What a gross thinking of truth.

Yeah..the truth may be gross for you

But the fact is that it is the truth. That if circumstances continue as they are, piracy will just continue unabated.

BTW note that I never said piracy is right (or wrong). I was just saying why piracy happens and why it wont stop.

mehulved said:
Please go and read on Open Source. The whole definition of Open Source goes against your assumptions. In fact the term open source was coined so that people don't make mistakes like this.
Show me one place where it is mentioned that open source apps have to be free of cost. If you do I will stop posting in this forum forever and even stop using anything open source.
And show me one big open source project where there's a lone developer. In fact many a times there's a team of core developers, who are hired and paid by big companies like Red Hat, Novell, IBM, Sun Microsystems.
Also, when you buy softwares from MS, Apple, etc you are draining our countries money to the vendors outside India. Even if the whole application was developed by an Indian, he'll get a tiny fraction of the money from those corporates. On the other hand Open Source is more likely to get more money by making the developers within the country active.

Yes.
there is lot of difference between open source application and free application.

RHEL series is open source but is not free.
pidgin, gnu utils are open source and free.

You get support from the vendor by paying for the software and the price of these open source softwares is substantially lower than that of many leading softwares

This is a classic chicken and egg situation. If the computing masses of India adopted some version of linux, companies like Yahoo, Google, and I daresay eventually even MSN will be forced to provide Linux versions of their software like instant messaging. As there isn't a large user base to justify development, or so they argue, they do not show much interest in porting their applications to Linux. This is why I think people who use Linux should make a push for the numbers, and as was pointed out in one thread

, talk about Linux strengths and not a MS vs Linux comparison, after all we're not really trying to sell anything for money. A gradual shift from Windows to linux will slowly kill the piracy. There always will be those who would pay for a Microsoft product, just as there would be those who choose to go the Open Source OS way.

This is why I am still the advocate of the dual boot model where linux is used for internet browsing and most of the work, and windows (preferably licensed) reserved for gaming and other programs that cannot be run on Linux.

NucleusKore said:
A gradual shift from Windows to linux will slowly kill the piracy.

Need not be true always. Look what MS did to IE! Removed WGA... So unless the company wants it piracy will not die!

infra_red_dude said:
Need not be true always. Look what MS did to IE! Removed WGA... So unless the company wants it piracy will not die!

Point noted