Please Help me choose New Hardware for PC Upgradation

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My current office system configuration is as given below in the screenshot,

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I use solidworks 2009 ... it is very very slow to work on solidworks (a solid modeling software) using this configuration.

So I am requesting to seniors here to please suggest me a new configuration so as to upgrade my PC to work nicely and smoothly on Solidworks 2009

Cost limit is @Rs.25000/- to Rs.30000/- max

Your previous suggestion for my home PC has worked very nicely, So I am expecting your kind help once again!

Thanking you,
vishyvishy

...Anybody there?

seeing system requirements of solidworks 2009 i recommend the following -

AMD Phenom II x6 1055t @ 9.5k
Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H @ 4.5k
G.SKILL 3 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz @ 6.9k
ATI Firepro V3700 @ 5.7k
WD 500GB Blue @ 1.8k
FSP saga II 500W @ 2.2k
CM Elite 310 @ 1.5k

Total - 32.1k

since you are using a 2009 version you will get drivers only for vista or xp. use 64bit versions to use the 6gb ram.

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Thanks a lot for the first and timely suggestion!!

....I am also awaiting eagerly the invaluable inputs from krishnandu.sarkar and Sam.Shab ... I pray for these two giants ... Please arrive here ... both of you sir and lets finalize my new PC ...

^^ we are humans :lol:

@jas, the V3700 card is slow. its one of the slowest of entry level card. so i'll edit your config a bit:

AMD Phenom II x6 1055t @ 9.5k
Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H @ 4.5k or Gigabyte GA-MA785GMT-US2H @ 4.5k (if the former is unavailable or overpriced)
G.SKILL 3 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz @ 6.9k or 2*2Gb kit from Kingston @ 4k
ATI Firepro V3700 @ 5.7k <--- currently lets discard it.
WD 500GB Blue @ 1.8k
FSP saga II 500W @ 2.2k or Saga II 400W @ 2k or maybe less.
CM Elite 310 @ 1.5k

Total - ~23k if ram is cheaper. now for 7k, add a GTS450. at least better than the V3700. i not sure how much powerful is the V3700 but its an entrylevel card. so i guess a fast card with CUDA will do the job. or you can sell your existing cpu & try a 10k FirePro card that doesn't at least fall in entrylevel section. but i guess, the Phenom II X6 (& low resolution) will handle most of the part, so even a V3700 may do but why take chance?

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G.SKILL 3 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz @ 6.9k or 2*2Gb kit from Kingston @ 4k

They are different capacity 6 GB v/s 4GB ...so are they equivalent?

I just saw their system requirement page .... They recommend 6GB ... So I m bit puzzled here ...

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warm regards,
Vishal

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Get the 6GB Gskill.

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Thanks!

Also to mention ...PC Vendor of my office is advocating Core i7 ... Is that something special than AMD Phenom II x6 1055t ??

Its a little better but more expensive.

vishyvishy said:
Thanks!

Also to mention ...PC Vendor of my office is advocating Core i7 ... Is that something special than AMD Phenom II x6 1055t ??

"Ya Core i7 is Gr8 one" [ the dealer always says INTEL only cause higher margin in dealer profit ]

U wont believe , in tamil nadu many of them think AMD is local processor - cause the dealer says that AMD is local chip it will anytime burst ! :neutral:

X6 1055T is Best bang for Buck ! especially for multitaskers ! with in 10K u wont find better !

Sam.Shab said:
^^ we are humans

@jas, the V3700 card is slow. its one of the slowest of entry level card. so i'll edit your config a bit:

AMD Phenom II x6 1055t @ 9.5k
Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H @ 4.5k or Gigabyte GA-MA785GMT-US2H @ 4.5k (if the former is unavailable or overpriced)
G.SKILL 3 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz @ 6.9k or 2*2Gb kit from Kingston @ 4k
ATI Firepro V3700 @ 5.7k <--- currently lets discard it.
WD 500GB Blue @ 1.8k
FSP saga II 500W @ 2.2k or Saga II 400W @ 2k or maybe less.
CM Elite 310 @ 1.5k

Total - ~23k if ram is cheaper. now for 7k, add a GTS450. at least better than the V3700. i not sure how much powerful is the V3700 but its an entrylevel card. so i guess a fast card with CUDA will do the job. or you can sell your existing cpu & try a 10k FirePro card that doesn't at least fall in entrylevel section. but i guess, the Phenom II X6 (& low resolution) will handle most of the part, so even a V3700 may do but why take chance?

sam i saw the system requirements of solidworks and they say 6gb ram is good.
also they provide drivers only for pro cards. so he cant go with a GTS450.
SolidWorks
actually the problem is that his budget is low for the tasks he want his pc.

@vishyvishy
core i7 is much better but out of your budget!

i found this (choose different benchmarks from the choose benchmark button above) -

Charts, benchmarks Workstation Graphics Charts, SPECapc 3DS Max 9 Graphics

v3700 is just too much slow.
he needs atleast a v3750 @ 7.6k for his works.

AMD Phenom II x6 1055t @ 9.5k
MSI 785GM E51 @ 3.6k
G.skill 3 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz @ 6.9k
ATI Firepro V3750 @ 7.6k
WD 500GB Blue @ 1.8k
FSP saga II 400W @ 2k
Zebronics/Intex Cabinet @ 1k

Total - 32.4k

Jaskanwar Singh said:
sam i saw the system requirements of solidworks and they say 6gb ram is good.
also they provide drivers only for pro cards. so he cant go with a GTS450.
SolidWorks
actually the problem is that his budget is low for the tasks he want his pc.

but include 6Gb ram & you loose out on a good accelerator. so i guess, keeping the system in balance even if needed to include a gaming card will offer better overall performance. all pro apps say they need pro card only but a fast gaming card having CUDA & PhysX can do a good job if good cards are out of budget.

but i'll better wait till someone with experience verify our opinions cause i feel i misleading myself & others.

Jaskanwar Singh said:
v3700 is just too much slow.
he needs atleast a v3750 @ 7.6k for his works.

AMD Phenom II x6 1055t @ 9.5k
MSI 785GM E51 @ 3.6k
G.skill 3 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz @ 6.9k
ATI Firepro V3750 @ 7.6k
WD 500GB Blue @ 1.8k
FSP saga II 400W @ 2k
Zebronics/Intex Cabinet @ 1k

Total - 32.4k

this looks better. or simply drop 2Gb ram for now. later add 4Gb more, taking total to 8Gb. than the total will be strictly in his budget.

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Thanks for the kind guidance so far ...

I got Quote for following configuration ...
core i7
4GB DDR 3 Kingston/Dianet
500GB Segate
VIP cabinet
DVD Writer
Keyboard mouse (Rs.750)
58 BT Intel Board
1 GB NVIDIA Graphics card
---> Rs. 40,000/-

...Is this ok??

Our Phenom Enquiry is still under processing.
He says
1. Phenom is very very slow compared to core i7
2. the Motherboard I mentioned creates problems in latter time

... All Your guidance is eagerly awaited as usual!

Phenom is slow compared to i7 but not "very very slow"!!Obviously tht guy is jus tryin to earn more than he possibly cud by Phenom!!My advice - go with Sam n Jas's suggestion.If u can't get the stuff at 1 shop look for another 1!

vishyvishy said:
core i7

which?

vishyvishy said:
58 BT Intel Board

what? Intel motherboards to be always avoided.

vishyvishy said:
1 GB NVIDIA Graphics card

which?

phenom x6 is not slow as compared to intel i7. it offers great multithreaded performance at total price of system lot lower than i7.
at a 40k budget a 1090t @ 14.5k is a better option for you.
intel i7 950 @ 15k is even better but mobo costs atleast 10k.
also get a better pro card from saved money.

AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 14.5k
Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H @ 4.5k
G.skill 3 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz @ 6.9k
ATI FireGL V7600 @ 10.1k
WD 500GB Blue @ 1.8k
FSP saga II 500W @ 2.2k
CM Elite 310 @ 1.5k

Total - 41.5k

v7600 is superb card with great price-performance ratio.
here is v7600 review - Workstation-Shootout: ATi FireGL V7600 vs. Nvidia Quadro FX 4600 : A Balance Of Power This Fall?

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Thanks all the kind souls here!

Today I got the quote for our config as below,

1 Processor -AMD Phenom II x6 1055t - 10200
2 Board - MSI 785GM E51 - 5000
3 RAM - G.skill 3 * 2GB DDR3 1333MHz - 2400
4 Graphics Card - ATI Firepro V3750 - 8000
5 HardDisk - WD 500GB Blue - 2100
6 Cooler Master Cabinet & SMPS - 4000
7 Total => Rs. 31700

... Is this a fair quotation? Please comment on this and any further suggestions if any ...

Thanks and regards,
vishyvishy

vishyvishy said:
2 Board - MSI 785GM E51 - 5000

Shouldn't be more than Rs.4000.

Don't like the Cooler master cab and PSU part.
Get a cheap cab like CM 310 Elite and a proper PSU.

yea, Cooler Master PSUs to be avoided.

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Dear Jaskanwar Singh,Sam.Shab,

I have got little diff suggestion,

He says lets take

1. ASUS M4A88TM Mobo with inbuilt 1 GB graphics Card, It has HDMI ports also.

He has got no complaints in ASUS mobo in last 4 years.

Please lemme know your comments.

regards,

Vishal

The onboard gfx are not good buddy. Firepro is much better.

What price did u get for that asus mobo? The msi should be less than 4k. If not look at gigabyte ga 880gm ud2h. The HDD seems overpriced too.

1. ASUS M4A88TM Mobo with inbuilt 1 GB graphics Card, It has HDMI ports also.

That is the reason I don't recommend Vendor's suggestion, selling computer hardware parts does not make you expert on it.

Listen, all the AMD 785G and 8XX series chipset based motherboards have 128 MB dedicated DDR3 video ram for Onboard graphics. Now some company for creating marketing hype, wirtes "with 1 Gb Sideport Memory". Look here carefully, here "1 Gb" has a small b, not the capital "B". It means bit, bot byte.
Now 1 Gigabit means (2^10/8) Byte = 128 MB as 8 bit = 1 Byte.

And Solidwork does not support any gaming graphics card, it only supports Workstation graphic card. So taking any 1 GB Nvidia graphics card won't help.

Acc to latest prices get this-

Amd Phenom II x6 1055t @ 8.8k
Msi 785GM E51 @ 3.5k
G.Skill/Kingston 4GB DDR3 1333Mhz @ 3k
Amd FireGL V7600 @ 10k
Seagate 500GB 7200.12 @ 1.7k
Fsp saga II 500W @ 2.1k
CM elite 310 @ 1.5k

total 30.6k

How about fermi based nvidia quadro series? Why anybody is not recommending them?

Quadro 2000 comes with 1gb vm and 192 cuda cores. This should do the op's job.

Review and price of that quadro please vickybat!

opps got it wrong. The cards are launched recently and are not yet available in india. The 2000 model costs some $599 so its out of reach for op and the quadro 600 is $199.

Check this.