Poor student, career options.

I am a below average student just appeared for 12th this year, I think I will not be able to clear Math exam. Just to get my head clear, I want to know what are my options if I fail or get compartment?
If I fail I think I will have to do a diploma, how bad is it to do diploma. I was thinking of doing 3 year diploma that requires class X and then join a engineering college through lateral entry.
Cant shake the feeling of having dark future. Help me guys.

you are already talking like your result is out and you failed the exam!!!

the better idea is that study again in 12th to pass the exam rather than diploma...

that will leave you plenty of career choices + you'll not regret the decision in your whole life..

OR why not choose biology in 12th instead of math if you think you are weak???

study the 12th class again with biology as major...it'll waste one more year but at least you'll do good in 12th, and hence many career options after that...

I'd also suggest as Shivam suggested.

You can go with these diplomas and all but I'd recommend appear on 12th again if you fail by any chance.

Because after passing 12th you'll have plenty of changes opened for you.

And also not clearing Higher Secondary school may create many problems later.

Anyway, Best of luck for your result

First of all, stop calling yourself poor. I myself was not so good either (God! I hate studies) but managed to scrape past maths somehow and got into Engineering.

Also, keep diploma as a last resort. And, like krishnandu.sarkar suggests, in case of (God forbid) failure, it'd be better to attempt again and pass than enroll for diploma and waste 2 years (since you'd be going into 2nd year engineering after that).

Try as much as possible to get over into graduation school after 12th. I have seen that laterals who join 2nd year engineering after diploma find certain subjects (especially maths related subjects) difficult because they had missed out on the base of those subjects in the first year. So, joining fresh gives you an advantage.

PS: What subjects did you take for 12th?

S

I would suggest you to clear the maths in supplementary with good marks and get a seat though management ,that is what me and my friends did last year :-D

now getting good marks in engineering till now

suppose if you even failed in supplementary then sit exams on next year and clear the all subs, some of my friends have done this also :-D

so there are many options that you can enter into engineering.... you have a bright future man, be positive and clear the sub in supp.... All the best :thumbs:

Honestly, if you can't handle Math, please skip engineering. Engineering is quite heavy on math.

coolpcguy said:
Honestly, if you can't handle Math, please skip engineering. Engineering is quite heavy on math.

Agreed, but math ain't that tough. At first, I couldn't handle it, but prepared enough to just scrape through somehow.

DeSmOnD dAvId said:
Agreed, but math ain't that tough. At first, I couldn't handle it, but prepared enough to just scrape through somehow.

Not sure if you've had a look at Engineering mathematics. 10th/12th ain't that tough but the difficulty level increases a lot in Engineering.

I am not sure about difficulty, but actually some concepts are completely alien. If you have a good base, then its not a problem.

I had backlogs in maths every semester, but always cleared at the second attempt. So, it ain't that tough. Actually, in Engineering, its not about studying hard, but studying smart. If you plan which chapters to prepare and anticipate the repeated questions, you can clear it without too much effort. Sadly, I learnt this too late.

rahul_c said:
I am a below average student just appeared for 12th this year, I think I will not be able to clear Math exam. Just to get my head clear, I want to know what are my options if I fail or get compartment?
If I fail I think I will have to do a diploma, how bad is it to do diploma. I was thinking of doing 3 year diploma that requires class X and then join a engineering college through lateral entry.
Cant shake the feeling of having dark future. Help me guys.

First of all, I am in 12th, so i can understand what you are going thorugh.
Now, you mentioned that you will not be able to clear Math exam. Don't be so sure about it, PM me your attempt and ill tell you if you can clear or not. Moreover CBSE boards are very generous, they won't fail anyone except if the student is getting really really low marks.

Also, you mentioned you wanna go for 3 year diploma. Do you know that this diploma is for 10th class passouts? This diploma is for those who don't do 11th and 12th and then straight out go to college. This means that you are wasting 3 years of your life for this diploma and your 11th and 12th went in vain. Forget about diploma.

Now, if you fail (I would seriously doubt on it, as you would not) , give the compartment paper and try to score good. That will solve most of your problems, if it doesn't i would recommend you to reappear in 12th exam next year (no big deal

many people do this and have bright future ahead, beter than wasting 3 years in diploma).

Regarding competitions, you can easily get paid/management seats in many colleges and many colleges offer admission on the basis of 12th boards.

Good Luck, PM me if you want any other assistance.

Is it absolutely essential for you to do engineering?

A

^Seconded. Engineering is not the be-jesus of degrees anyhow.......

That being said, it is quite heavy on maths. However, that doesn't necessarily mean you will do badly. Wait for the results and see what to do.

I dont want to sit at home for one more year, my dad wont allow me to do so. I had physics, chemistry, math, hindi & english.
What about polytechnic and what is NIOS?
For those saying dont loose hope-I marked myself 20/100.

rahul_c said:
For those saying dont lose hope-I marked myself 20/100.

fixed

1 year should be enough to get things right.

rahul_c said:
I dont want to sit at home for one more year, my dad wont allow me to do so. I had physics, chemistry, math, hindi & english.
What about polytechnic and what is NIOS?
For those saying dont loose hope-I marked myself 20/100.

I understand that some parents do not like their children "sitting" home for no reason.

Polytechnic? What courses? Please specify.
NIOS is a bad idea IMO (strictly IN MY OPINION).
And how did you rate yourself? According to the marks you're getting?

Now serious advice. I recommend you go for BSc in Computer Science or Information Technology in any fair college. That will totally suffice. Other things depend on your future plans and what does your father do, whether he runs a business or not and many other things. If your father runs a business, you have a choice then. You can work at your family business and help expanding it even further with your latest knowledge, if he does job, then you can go in teaching line after BSc and make your career there. BUT, it's always a bad idea NOT to study. And regretting afterwards is even worse, just sayin.

Also, in boards (CBSE right?) how much did you attempt in Physics Chemistry and Maths? If you don't want to post here, you can PM me, i may be able to help.

^Chemistry was OK, though physics paper (CBSE) was weird this year.
My dad is a engineer, I have not told him about my situation yet.
I am not planning on not doing 12th ever, I can do it next year along with diploma or polytechnic. B. Sc. require 12th & I prefer CS, IT or ECE.

T

Well, What makes you feel you are not good in Maths? It's never too late to learn. Internet would be the best resource for you. What you have trouble in? Arithmetic? Algebra? Trigonometry? Calculus? Start from basic addition and multiplication all the way up to 12th.
I recommend you to make a list of topics you feel you are not comfortable with.
In my opinion, a person who can create a thread and communicate with others can very well understand any subject and excel.

G

rahul_c said:
^Chemistry was OK, though physics paper (CBSE) was weird this year.
My dad is a engineer, I have not told him about my situation yet.
I am not planning on not doing 12th ever, I can do it next year along with diploma or polytechnic. B. Sc. require 12th & I prefer CS, IT or ECE.

Talk to your dad without fear and worries.Like a good friend.He is the best person who can guide and help you out now.Rather than wasting time on forums and internet, its wise you study and work towards your interest/passion.

.. OMG
I was in same exact position before 5 years. Exactly same situation and thoughts ....!!

IMO..If you are bad at math DON'T go for engineering. Else you will be making threads about failing in math every year. Trust me.
Looking at your aptitude in math it will be like beating yourself up for next 4 years if you choose to go with engg.
Just go for Bsc or BCA (if you are into computers or IT) from a good college and study hard

desiJATT said:
I understand that some parents do not like their children "sitting" home for no reason.

Polytechnic? What courses? Please specify.
NIOS is a bad idea IMO (strictly IN MY OPINION).

Can you shed some reason please?

And I must say that, CBSE is not generous in giving marks in maths in 12th. No step marking!

M

If you are weak in maths then go for diploma .First two year in B.Tech is simply waste of time it has some worthless subjects like physics,chemistry,maths,electical,analog electronics,thermodynamics.look if you are opting for computer science what those subject help you in :evil:

See I too is weak in maths I didn't know when i was persuing for B.tech that i will be facing those subjects again, I thought I will have branch subjects only where I am very good at. Due to this my B.tech CGPA is not very good in first two years but in final year I was 2nd topper in my branch.

Again buddy if you score less than 60 in 12th it is very worse condition better opt for diploma and minimum you will score will above 60%.

Lastly what is your interest really matters a lot, don't listen to people decide what you need to do and what you are better at.

Without 60% in 12th, you're doomed!

dashing.sujay said:
Can you shed some reason please?

My dad is very strict about not wasting time & he has temper issues.
Getting less than 60% is not a problem for me cause of reservation. I get some compensation.

Just don't panic now. LET the result get declared, then revert back, only after that we might be able to guide you further. Also, i would suggest you talk to your school Councillor (if you have one) or any other private education consultant, he might better be able to guide than us.

Shivam24 said:
you are already talking like your result is out and you failed the exam!!!

the better idea is that study again in 12th to pass the exam rather than diploma...

that will leave you plenty of career choices + you'll not regret the decision in your whole life..

OR why not choose biology in 12th instead of math if you think you are weak???

study the 12th class again with biology as major...it'll waste one more year but at least you'll do good in 12th, and hence many career options after that...

lol...To get Biology he has to study 11th again tooo........

dashing.sujay said:
Can you shed some reason please?

And I must say that, CBSE is not generous in giving marks in maths in 12th. No step marking!

I dunno what are talking about but only if i could show you an original marking scheme provided to teachers then maybe i could help you understand that there do exists Step marking in Maths question for 4 makrers and 6 markers and its an integral part of that scheme.
Dont confuse.
***Wish My Match teacher would have been forum member too***

S

You don't want to sit in home,then the diploma is only option left and engineering would be very easy after doing diploma..

AFAIK You can take direct entry to the 2nd year(3rd sem)B.E after doing diploma

I never talked about Step Marking. It's not 10th class. It's 12th. I am talking about the guidelines that teachers get for checking board papers. Here are some of them (after enquiring from about 5 teachers who regularly check boards papers every year).

We use a red pen, as well as a blue pen, to correct some answers and to write some answers ourselves, if the student is NOT passing, but can be easily passed by 1-2 questions.

Even if the last answer is NOT correct, full marks may be given for an attempt with all the formulas written with calculations.

There's nothing like 1/2. It's always 0 or 1. And for giving 0, teachers have to ensure that NOTHING was written in the place of that question. Even if you write something, which is not even half correct, still there's high possibility you will get 1 mark.

BUT, i would not advice anyone to plan with these things in mind. PS. All teachers are different, they may or may not comply with these instructions. Some are strict too. But this is common world scenario.

Hoping to get compartment & if I do get it, I am positive that I will clear math exam. If so happens I will do B. Tech from any recognized private college.
Else I will have to do 3 yr diploma & then college. 6 yr vs. 4 yr, I so want to join B. Tech this year.

Sujeet said:
I dunno what are talking about but only if i could show you an original marking scheme provided to teachers then maybe i could help you understand that there do exists Step marking in Maths question for 4 makrers and 6 markers and its an integral part of that scheme.
Dont confuse.
***Wish My Match teacher would have been forum member too***

You believe on guidelines, I believe on what I saw & experienced.

A

Khans Academy and other online resource are really excellent to learn and master maths.We are so privilaged to have so much resources now when compared to past. You can learn maths in these online resources . In case of urgent passing in supplimentary exam, refer all previous years papers and work on it.

I believe there is nothing like i am weak in XXX subject and all .. Anyone should be able to score more than 50 if he/she tries and works hard . Pass 12th as of now after that you may think of your career path.

Thank you guys I will keep you updated as to what happens. @desiJATT thanks for revoking my hope. :-D

Do any of you guys have all the lectures (especially math) from Khan Academy downloaded? I don't have a UL plan, I need them ASAP.

well seems like you have been guided well
just want to share my experience

When I was in 11/12th I was never a bright student (in case of scoring marks) but I was not a bad one either.Thats so because in every subject half of the chapters were which I liked the most and the rest half of them were pain for me.
Lets take Maths for example: I always liked calculus and trigonometry where as 3d geometry and set theory was over my head. So I always practiced Calculus so much that I could easily pass math exam (though I scored 62 in maths, it was enough for me considering the fact that i left 28 marks of questions :lol:

)

So take it easy, dont think weird stuff and study hard for future.

So gave the AIEEE today and guess what? I got 18 correct answers! :doublethumb:

For a general category student it may be too low, but I have got reservation :-D

. Hence I can get into any good college in my state even country!

If I fail this year I am going to be so so so devastated!

Is minus marking system prevalent in AIEEE ?

S

rahul_c said:
So gave the AIEEE today and guess what? I got 18 correct answers! For a general category student it may be too low, but I have got reservation . Hence I can get into any good college in my state even country!

If I fail this year I am going to be so so so devastated!

Congrats

Now relax, and wait for results. But I would like to tell you that with weak maths you will have LOTS of difficulty in engineering.

R2K said:
Is minus marking system prevalent in AIEEE ?

-0.25 for a wrong answer, +4 for correct.

T

rahul_c said:
-0.25 for a wrong answer, +4 for correct.

I reckon it's -1 for each incorrect response.

Its -1 for wrong and +4 for right answer. I am getting 75 Marks in AIEEE, hehe I will probably take admission through management quota.

T

And bonus marks for those who got set C:
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There were few mistakes in the offline test, TOI reported as “officials accepted that there were errors in the B Tech section of the examination. In chemistry section, Code C, question number 11 and 24, had more than one answers. In mathematics, code C, question number 36 was ambiguous with no answers. Also, in math question number 51 the given data was not sufficient to get an answer. B Arch question paper was comparatively easy with math section throwing up little surprises.

^I am not sure but I suppose education doesn't matter as long as you can look good and speak English when required.

The Conqueror said:
I reckon it's -1 for each incorrect response.

Oh my God! I am screwed then :duh2:

but I also gave B. Arch exam and that went wicked. I guess if I do B. Arch from a good college it wont be that bad. Just hoping everything works out.

I've got comp. in math which is not bad I guess, overall result was better than expected.

rahul_c said:
I've got comp. in math which is not bad I guess, overall result was better than expected.

hmm...that's your perception maybe..but still, great

So now I will happily prepare math and get good marks clear intermediate, then what?

I've already flunked AIEEE, but I still can get B. Arch. Which course should I do, I am completely open to everything and that is making me confused. Dad says do B. Sc., bro says B. Arch if I get any NIT. I want to do B.Tech from private college. Bottom line - B.tech from average college or B.Arch from good college. I'm inclined to B.Tech since all of my friends are going for it.

My percentage is 62% excluding math. Can anyone guide me to how to apply for comp exam?

Need help, I'm really looking forward to get into DU but if I include math marks my percentage wont allow me to do so. But I've heard they allow to take best four subjects for percentages there? Is that true?

Damn it! I am destined for failure, I thought ranks mentioned in last yr cut off were 'AIR:category rank' but in reality they are 'AIR rank'. I am so not going near a good architecture college.

try DU

^No good news there, they don't allow COMP students in BSc courses and I don't want to do humanities. So that door is closed.

Can you guys name any good private colleges in Noida, Delhi or Dehradun?