Preview August 2009 · DIGIT-ARC

Agust Feedback

Feedback thread for the "Wikipedia – behind the pages" article.

A close look at the Android OS and the Open Handset Alliance -- will it change the way we look at phones?

Setting up and using eyeOS -- the cloud-based, free (AGPLv3) operating system.

agent 001 busts some common myths about open source

A look at movies, music, books, beverages, and so on created with an open source mantra

An overview of the Open Source Car Project.

The details of colour spaces that printers use, why they need to be managed, and how to manage them.

A look at the present and future of face recognition technologies

An innovative new approach to touch screens, touch screen with tactile feedback from Carnegie Mellon research

Agent 001 on Cooling and thermal management

Business models for open source software - where is the money? Does open source work?

A behind the scenes look at how an animation and post production house works. The website for Avitel Post Studioz is at *www.avitelpoststudioz.com.

The career options available for programmers, and which languages have the best prospects.

LCD monitors in the market get tested.

Flash Drives in the markets are matched up against each other.

Entry level graphic cards (below Rs. 7000) are tested in our labs.

Re: Tried and Tested - Graphic Cards

where ??

Re: Tried and Tested - Graphic Cards

^hold on, wait for the issue

Magazine Contents

Enter

Inbox
Industry Connect
Nautanki.tv
Buzz
Catch up with exciting developments from the world of personal technology

Connections

Web watch
Opera Unite, Safari 4 and Indian web startups

Mobile watch
Nokia’s durable handset, mobile novels and iPhone apps

Wikipedia
The trials and tribulations that went into making the world’s favourite online reference web site

Android
A closer look at Android and the Open Handset Alliance

Set up and use EyeOS
A workshop on how to set up private and public servers on EyeOS, the cloud-based, free (AGPLv3) operating system

Digital Life

Drool Maal
Open source myths
Agent 001 busts some popular open source myths

Living on OSS
Open source is not just about software, it is a way of life

The OScar
Agent 001 looks beneath the hood for the source of an open source car

Sci-Tech

Colour management
Learn why the colours in printers need to be managed, and how to manage them

Touchscreens
An innovative new approach to touchscreen technology from the Carnegie Mellon Institute labs

Tried and tested
LCD monitors
Choose from among 29 LCD monitors tested this month

Flash drives
USB drives and memory cards tested and rated for you

Graphic cards
We benchmark the latest entry level graphic cards

Bazaar

Toolbox

Tips and tricks
Gnumeric, DVDFlick, 7Zip, Tiwtter and TweeDeck

Q&A

Thermal management
Agent’s advice on cooling

Tech@Work

We’re open for business
Business models for SoHos

Programming languages
Programming languages to learn for a career

Esc
Unwind
Game review: Drakensang
Game Review: Zeno Clash
Avitel Post Studioz
The inner workings of a major animation and post production house

Fast Track to Open Source
Includes compiling from source, Open Source applications for professionals, Roll your own Linux Distro, and a very comprehensive guide to the different Linux Distros, and step-by-step installations for them.

DVD Contents

DVD1

Tools
Multimedia
Agares RackA3 1.0
Ashampoo Burning Studio Free 6.76
BonkEnc Portable 1.0.12
BS.Player 2.41.1003
BurnAware Free 2.3.6
Contenta-Converter Basic 4.5
Cool Flv Player 1.0
DDJ Suite 2.9.169
Dynamic Range Compressor 1.0
echo_chung 1.0
EMDB 0.81
e-mix Cover Downloader 1.0.3
FastPictureViewer 1.0.100
FastStone Image Viewer 3.9
FLIP Flash Album Free 1.9
Foobar2000 0.9.6.8
Fotografix 1.0 beta 3
FotoMix Free Edition 3.1
FoxRecorder 1.3
Fresh View 7.74
i3D Photo 3.4
IdPhotos 2008 3.6.3
iDump Build 29
JetAudio Basic 7.5.3
Kantaris Media Player 0.5.4
Kigo Video Converter 1.0
Leap Free Audio Converter 5.0
Life Photo Maker 1.4
Lossless JPEG Rotator 1.01
MediaCoder 0.7.1.4450
MediaInfo 0.7.17
MediaMonkey Standard 3.1.0.1256
MetatOGGer 3.9.1.0
Miro 2.0.4
Moovida Media Center 1.0.3
PC Image Editor 3.90
Pdf To Jpeg Converter 3000 7.4
Peacock Color Picker 2.0
Phomart 3.4
Photobie 6.0
PhotoOnWeb 0.9.1
Photoshop Camera Raw 5.4
Pi-Vu Basic 1.6.2.1
Plato Media Player 1.0.2
ProgDVB 6.10.2
PulpTunes 1.1.0
Rise Sun 1.2.0
Similarity 0.9 build 310
Songbird 1.2.0
Soundbase 2009.06.27
Space Jammer 1.5.5.1
Spesoft Free Text To MP3 Speaker 1.0
Spesoft ShoutOff 1.03
Spesoft Video To DVD 1.10
TMPGEnc Instant Show Presenter 1.0.3.62
UCee 0.9.001
Videora iPod Converter 4.08
VIP Rumor Player 2.6
VSO Image Resizer 2.2.0.4
Windows Live Photo Gallery 14.0.8064.0206

Internet
Boost Machine 1.5.6
Bywifi 1.5.3
CoffeeCup Free FTP 4.2.1526
CraigsList Reader Pro 3.32
Download Accelerator Plus 9.2.0.4
FileZilla 3.2.6
GetGo Download Manager 4.2.0.287
Gladinet Cloud Desktop 1.1.133
Inspic 2.3.1.1
KooLoader 1.3
MobileWitch Pass Safe 1.9
Music MP3 Get 4.0.1.9
OnLine TV Live 7.1.2
Phazer 1.0
RapidShare Downloader 4.10
SeaMonkey 1.1.17
Transmute 1.56
TrayTweet 1.2
TubeSucker 5.2.002
TweetDeck 0.26.3
TwittX Twitter Client 1.0.0.38
Weather Watcher Live 6.0.30
Writemonkey 0.9.4.0
ZapShares 2.4
Zultrax P2P 4.35

System
Advanced SystemCare Free 3.3.3
Asoftech Photo Recovery 2.0
Auslogics Disk Defrag 2.0.0.15
Baku 4.0.3466
Batch File Modifier 2.4.3466
Belarc Advisor 8.1b
BestSync 2009 4.2.04
CCleaner 2.21.940
CPU Speed Professional 3.0.3.0
CrashPlan 6.11.20009
Endpoint Security Manager 1.2.1994.34
Eusing Free Registry Defrag 1.0
File Backup Watcher Free Edition 2.8.25
Fresh Diagnose 8.10
Hawkscope 0.6.2
HWiNFO32 3.00
JaBack 8.24
Limagito Lite 7.6.4.0
MapSphere 0.97.161
Memory Improve Master Free Version 6.1.2.136
Moo0 RightClicker 1.27
MuvEnum Address Bar 5.0.5.0
pcBaseline 1.0.3
Registry Flashlight Fixer 1.4
Screenshot Captor 2.67.01
SE-Explorer 0.0.29.590
Super Finder XT 1.6.1.1
TeraCopy 2.01
TreeSize Free 2.3.2
TweakNow PowerPack 2009 1.4
TweakNow RegCleaner 4.4
UltraExplorer 2.0.1
Universal Viewer Free 4.0.2
WinStart Manager 1.4
Wise Disk Cleaner 4.52

Essentials
.net Framework 2.0
.net Framework 3.5
µTorrent 1.8.2
Avast Home Edition 4.8
Comodo Internet Security Pro 3.5.55810.432
Foxit Reader 3.0
Free Download Manager 3 build 848
Irfan View 4.23
Java 2 Runtime
K-Lite Mega Codec Pack 4.9.5 Mega
Opera 9.64
Silverlight
Spybot Search and Destroy 1.6.0
VLC Player 0.9.4
WinRAR 3.80

Updates And Add-ons
Avast Update
IZArc Command Line Add-On 1.1
Kaspersky Anti-Virus Definition Complete Update
Windows Live Essentials
Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool
Windows Server 2008/ Vista SP2

Entertainment
Games
Dawn of Discovery
Return to Mysterious Island II
Trine

Trailers
2012
Amelia
Daybreakers
GI Joe
Inglourious Basterds
It might get loud
Ponyo
Shutter Island
The Last Airbender
Zombieland

Music
August Moon
For those who can't wait
Halo Fauna
How do we jump this high
Pink Houses

Videos
Linux Journals
Advanced Firefox configuration
Bash Startup Scripts
Change the way windows refocuses
Disabling root account on the SSH server
Firefox addons - it's all text
Getting user input in a shell script
Making processes feel important
Protect files with Chattr
Putting processes in the background
Reading lots of text with more and less
Schedule commands for later
Texting without cellphones
Using ARP on your network

Things
CCC-Trier Welcome Video
How to Make a Single Speed Bike
Lasercut Butterfly Knife (Comb Version)
Martha Vader - A MakerBot sings the imperial march and makes a Darth
vader Head
Resizing Objects in Blender

Astronomy 160
Lecture 14 - Pulsars
Lecture 15 - Supermassive Black Holes

DVD2
Open Source
Development
ADempiere ERP Business Suite 3.4.2
Arianne RPG
Bouml
BugTracker.NET
devkitPro
DITA Open Toolkit
DVTk
DynamicJasper
eXist
Exuberant Ctags
Flex Formatter
IDThemes
IXThemes
jEdit
Lexical Analyzer Generator Quex
Microlog
MinGW - Minimalist GNU for Windows
Notepad++ 5.4.4
NUnit .Net unit testing framework
Open Object Rexx
Openbravo ERP
OpenXava
Pantheios - The C/C++ Logging Sweetspot
pydev for eclipse
RODIN
Scintilla
ScummVM
soapUI
SW Test Automation Framework
Taylor
Tcl
TortoiseSVN
WinMerge
XINS
XOOPS Web Application Platform
ZK - Simply Ajax and Mobile

Multimedia
Album Art Downloader
Asymptote
aTunes
Audacity
cdrtfe
Celestia
CMU Sphinx
Coppermine Photo Gallery
Csound
Data Crow
DivFix++
DVDx
eLibrary
ffdshow
FreeMind
Gallery
hugin
ImageEnlarger
Inkscape
Kiwix
LiVES
MediaInfo
MediaPortal
MeD's Movie Manager
MeshLab
MP3Gain
MPUI-hcb
Mumble
PDFedit
SFML (Simple, Fast Multimedia Library)
SmartCam
SMPlayer
SoX - Sound eXchange
Tux Paint
VirtualDub
Wings 3D
XBMC Media Center
xVideoServiceThief
Zina is not Andromeda

Internet
aria2 - CLI Metalink/BitTorrent client
AutoWikiBrowser
Azureus
Dooble: Secure & Open Source Web Browser
FreeImageMapper
FreeWRL VRML/X3D browser
FSP - File Service Protocol Suite
KeePass Password Safe
K-Meleon
Methabot Web Crawler
MindTouch
MockFtpServer
MySecureShell SFTP-Server
OneClickFTP
PBS: Portable Bookmarks and Shortcuts
Privoxy
Quechua
RSS Bandit
Safe Exam Browser
Shareaza
Visual Browser Beta
WideStream Download Manager
WinSCP
Zenoss Core - Enterprise IT Monitoring

Enterprise
Adaptive Planning Express
Alfresco
Animal Shelter Manager
Bibus Bibliographic software
Biet-O-Matic (Bid-O-Matic)
Buddi
Collabtive
ControlTier
CuteFlow
DavMail POP/IMAP/SMTP/Caldav to Exchange
FGMP - Hotel Management
Group-Office groupware
hipergate CRM
Hyperic HQ Enterprise Monitoring
Inforama
JStock - Free Stock Market Software
LimeSurvey - THE Online Survey Tool
LogicalDOC - Document Management, DMS
MailArchiva
Nagios
OpenGoo: The Open Suite
OpenProj - Project Management
openQRM
Osmius
OSS Open Search Server
PDFCreator
Pentaho - Business Intelligence
Piggydb
PNotes
Task Coach
tellmatic - the newslettermachine
TUTOS
xProcess

FOSS Gaming
Games
AssaultCube
Bos Wars
BZFlag - Multiplayer 3D Tank Game
DarkWorld
Digital Paint: Paintball 2
DooM Legacy
Enigma
Epiar
F.L.A.W.
Final Frontier Trader
GL-117
Glaxium
HapticBillard
Hot Potato
Krystal Drop
OGL_Planets
OpenLieroX
OpenTTD
Pingus
Spice Trade
Warzone 2100
Wormux
Zombies

Engines
Car Racing Project 2010
Crystal Space 3D SDK
Cube 2: Sauerbraten (game engine & FPS)
GLOBE_3D
No Gravity
QuakeForge
The EDGE Project
The Quake Army Knife (QuArK)

Source Code (Source+Compiled Binaries)
Allegiance
Ardentryst
BloodFrontier
Globulation
Widelands

Digit
Tools 109.3
7-Zip
Android 1.5 SDK
CD Maze
DVD Flick
FullSync
Gnumeric
MeCat
Open Movie Editor
Digit Archive V2
FLV Player 2.0.25

Videos
Avitel Showreel
GeForce 3D
Nokia N97
Razer Moray

Webinars
Choosing Digital Cameras
Choosing Laptops
Installing Linux
Photography
Protect your PC

Operating Systems
Operating Systems
Fedora 11
OpenSUSE 11.1
Ubuntu 9.04

Just got a mail from Digit CC that my August is dispatched... :-D

Thanx for re-initiating the service.

And, why have u guys stopped providing Grafix driver updates??
Thanx for sharing Webinars...I missed them

again FT for "Open Source"??

^We made sure that the contents of the FT does not repeat any of the contents in the previous FT to Open Source, and both the FTs to Freeware. And it has the Linux Distro listing and detailed instructions that people have been wanting for some time now.

ah okay. if that was on popular request, thank you.

Surprise surprise!!!!!

Ghor anarth.........unhony etc...

Just received my August Copy!!!

Means...first time in my life I've received a copy b4 time...

@digit, plz don't waste our habit of not receiving mag b4 time...we will nag u to death from next time :-D

@digit (on serious tone) Thanx...but don't deviate from what u've started...best of luck

Surprised.
I was thinking that a late on preview of August 2009 issue will mean that the magazine will not reach at time this month.

Good work.

But I think the connection section is getting a bit boring. All news news and news.

Thanks Anorion

hey ... is d dvd2 with Fedora,Suse and Ubuntu bootable or is it iso image files?

^They are all iso images.

how am i supposed to install dem ? will daemon tool work

^^Those r OS buddy. What 'll u do running it wid Deamon tools??? If u want multiboot write those ISO's in DVD's and boot from it to install.

Anyway......mag contents seems fine......and dvd's too.

@vinyasmusic burn CD, or use VirtualBox then install. The actual installation instructions are in the Fast Track - with step by step screenshots.

Finally I can say that I'm a proud subscriber! DIGIT is here... before time! YAY! :lol:

Is it just me or has the month and year of this issue really not been printed on the cover? I can only find Vol. 9 Iss. 8 and the obvious reference to the Independence day.

Have you included vista sp2 both x64 ( 64 bit ) & x86 ( 32 bit ) versions ?
or
Only the 32 bit version ?

well....u can install ubuntu wid help of daemon tool.....i didn wanna waste a whole dvd for 1 OS so asked

Are those dud iso or cd iso

I think its CD ISO's ths time also.....tats wat they provide always.......LIVE CD ISO's

I'd just like to point people to the Current Issue Feedback section - Current Month's Feedback
You can post comments and suggestions for articles in this month's issue. You can also use it to discuss things with the writer and other forum members.

@qams, Post deleted. This is a preview thread for the August issue of Digit.

topgear said:
Have you included vista sp2 both x64 ( 64 bit ) & x86 ( 32 bit ) versions ?
or
Only the 32 bit version ?

Will someone please answer to my question ?

@topgear
Just the 32 bit version is included.

@drsubhadip
They are all CD ISOs.

Anorion said:
@topgear
Just the 32 bit version is included.

Thanks for the reply .
Can I expect to get the x64 ( 64 bit ) version of vista sp2 on september 2009
issue ? ( Made a demand for the same on demand section )

desiibond said:
again FT for "Open Source"??

u were wrong.. it should be named as "Fast Track to Linux Distro"..

i got the mag...some excellent articles.. and nice tips and tricks section..

but with few exceptions. (Feedback for Aug still not found)
as usual one of the DVD (Disc 2 Ubuntu/Fedora) didn't read..DVD disc 1 have slow reads.. ****.i was so irritated with Digit with its DVD quality....
despite the price hike from 125 to 150, they are not ready / interested to make a good quality disc to their readers.. this problem continues from 2008..

Again fast track has been repeated... what the hell digit is doing..
again the fast tack is fully covered with pictures and same tutorial-like-information..
I humbly request M/s 9.9 media to read digit's 2006-07 series of fast tracks..

I get the Current Issue on 2nd of August form the Newspaper stand but will not read it till 9th of this month. As I have a entrance test on 9.
But due to anxiety i bought the Issue. The cover page is excellent.

Please Help.......................

Hi I am not a subscriber of digit,but a News-Stand Buyer....

This is the 1st Time I got the fast track which have only 32 Pages...means it is upto Page No 32.

Then the same repeat 4 times......and made the thickness of the fast track.

Now please Anyone have any Idea what to do ?

dissel said:
Please Help.......................

Hi I am not a subscriber of digit,but a News-Stand Buyer....

This is the 1st Time I got the fast track which have only 32 Pages...means it is upto Page No 32.

Then the same repeat 4 times......and made the thickness of the fast track.

Now please Anyone have any Idea what to do ?

dont worry.. be cool..
u have got the correct one. :lol:

.
the open source topics have discussed only upto page no. 37..
from page no. 38, its talking about various flavors of linux distro..yes only linux distro with big pictures. nothing about other open source applications..

So u have got the correct pages of fast track to Open Source.. :lol:

dissel said:
Please Help.......................

Hi I am not a subscriber of digit,but a News-Stand Buyer....

This is the 1st Time I got the fast track which have only 32 Pages...means it is upto Page No 32.

Then the same repeat 4 times......and made the thickness of the fast track.

Now please Anyone have any Idea what to do ?

Write to help@thinkdigit.com

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=66 for feedback

Re: Tech Careers: Programming Languages

This is the gem article of this Month. I had only read this article of all due to time restriction.

Its very good but could be best if a detailed and serious approach has been applied.

Ther's no overall Mag feedback thread....So posting in here.....

Got the mag on yesterday...

1st of all almost 70% of fonts used in mag is just too light. It's really paining eyes to read those light fonts. Facing this problem since june 2009 issue. If you guys have any doubt just compare may & june issue by laying them side by side. For god's sake guys make the fonts crisp & clear ( increase the level of black - they almost seems like you guys have used grey color instead of black )

Example - I hate the term "evangelist" - it's basically a word used to describe someone who tries to convert you to their "religion"

It's looks like on mag :

I hate the term "evangelist" - it's basically a word used to describe someone who tries to convert you to their "religion"

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The articles like living on open source, open ride & color managing printers, is really good

The monitor, Memory & gfx crads reviews is just awesome though it was a bit surprising as you guys have not reviewedany BENQ monitors.

The agent001 article The real chill factor is good as always.

On price watch section you guys have not included CM Hyper 212 in CPU cooler sec though agent001 have talked about

The liquid notrogen exp. from darklord was a well worthy mention

The quality of papers & fonts used in FT was good but you guys should have ad more text ie written how to's instead of a lot of pictures.

Pleasantly surprised to receive the copy on 30. The Fast Track is super for a newbie like me.

Re: Wikipedia – behind the pages

I did not know all about Wikipedia. Good article.

rating: 10/10

Articles Browsers ahoy,Wikipedia,Android,eyeOS, Open source myths was also good.
Geek culture : zombies - is a refreshly new thing

BTw, why you guys used vista sp1 x86 on benches of gfx cards when vista sp2 was already out with many fixes !!!

What happend to the Consumer Protection section ?? !!

- I don't think there's a shortage of complaints.

Bazar & Drool maal section just rocks. The Edelweiss PC was really an innovative thing

The provided disc quality was also good.

Re: Myths about open source

A very good article. Special appreciation for the layout and the boxing of each myth. Very readable.

Re: The OSCar project.

Wonderful article. When I thought of open source, I was limited to software. And WHAM! I see cars, that too such awesome looking ones. Only wish these were free

D). Good work with the research and thanks for alerting us to the fact that they are after all not so open source and mostly hiding underground(disappeared for some time.). The article was balanced for sure.

Re: Tried and Tested - Graphic Cards

Didn't read the article yet, bt Special praise for the people who photoshopped the tow images (pg 70 & 75) and more so to the ones who came up with the concept.

Plz pay attention to the fact that page nos. get lost when the background is black and so is the font! Perfect example : Pg 70!!!

Re: Tried and Tested - Graphic Cards

Just one doubt.

When you are testing a budget graphics card like 8400 and 9400, why are you using QX9650 and ASUS P5Q3? I have a feeling that due to this, synthetic benchmarks will be completely misleading!!

And who on earth buys QX9650??

Please, when you next time do such reviews, use hardware that is well used in the market. Use a balanced rig for such tests.

Like sub 5k cpu and sub 5k mobo for sub 5k card and sub 10k proccy and mobo for sub 10k card. It doesn't make any sense testing a 2k GPU on 40k proccy and 40k GPU on 2k proccy!!!!

Re: Tried and Tested - Graphic Cards

Desibond absolutely right. Its always confusing that what fps we will get with our machine.

So in future you can take this point into consideration.

Re: Myths about open source

Not so good. Agent has just tried to fill up the two pages. The information given is not up to mark. And most times useless.

4/10

Re: Android OS and Open Handset Alliance

Informatic Article.

8/10

Re: Tried and Tested - Graphic Cards

desiibond said:
Just one doubt.
When you are testing a budget graphics card like 8400 and 9400, why are you using QX9650 and ASUS P5Q3? I have a feeling that due to this, synthetic benchmarks will be completely misleading!!

And who on earth buys QX9650??

Please, when you next time do such reviews, use hardware that is well used in the market. Use a balanced rig for such tests.

Like sub 5k cpu and sub 5k mobo for sub 5k card and sub 10k proccy and mobo for sub 10k card. It doesn't make any sense testing a 2k GPU on 40k proccy and 40k GPU on 2k proccy!!!!

The reason such tests are done on the highest possible hardware is to remove any bottlenecks, so that we can actually get the scores of the cards, and not of the slowest hardware component. Also, we're planning on sticking to the same hardware for some time, so might as well start with some of the highest available. This will help you compare newer cards later on, to the ones in this test.

toofan said:
Desibond absolutely right. Its always confusing that what fps we will get with our machine.

So in future you can take this point into consideration.

With 97861398756987345 different possible configurations out there, how are we supposed to tell you what scores you will get on your rig. All we can do is tell you what's fast, and what's good. If our tests reveal that card X is 20 fps faster than card Y, then even on your system card X will be faster than Y, but maybe only by 10 fps, or even less, but faster nonetheless.

Re: Myths about open source

toofan said:
Not so good. Agent has just tried to fill up the two pages. The information given is not up to mark. And most times useless.

4/10

Care to elaborate?

N

Re: Android OS and Open Handset Alliance

We're pleased to know you liked the article.

Re: Tried and Tested - Graphic Cards

/es, You are right. Your aim is to tell which is the fasted card available in the budget. But the hardware used by you is a dream for many.

Bye the way Card Test were excellent. And I like to mention a good thing which you follow very rarely. That is At last of the test ( In LCD test also) you provided the buying guide as per the budget and requirement. I will suggest you to follow this trend regularly also as this is the decision maker for the confused ones.

9.5/10 (1/2 mark deducted for not comparing Palits HD 4850).

I tell you one thing,in last of 2007 you tested processors and motherboards. I bought the processor and MB from the decision maker provided at the end of those tests.

Re: Tried and Tested - LCD screens

Excellent

10/10

Re: Tried and Tested - Graphic Cards

Raaabo said:
The reason such tests are done on the highest possible hardware is to remove any bottlenecks, so that we can actually get the scores of the cards, and not of the slowest hardware component. Also, we're planning on sticking to the same hardware for some time, so might as well start with some of the highest available. This will help you compare newer cards later on, to the ones in this test.

Name one current gen processor that can bottleneck 8400GS or any sub 5k card!!! My 7750 BE is able to drive HD4770 without any effort. Atleast you should've considered a processor that is inside or around 10k and one that is selling like hot cakes in the market.

Raaabo said:
With 97861398756987345 different possible configurations out there, how are we supposed to tell you what scores you will get on your rig. All we can do is tell you what's fast, and what's good. If our tests reveal that card X is 20 fps faster than card Y, then even on your system card X will be faster than Y, but maybe only by 10 fps, or even less, but faster nonetheless.

And so, you picked the processor that 0.000000000000000000000001% of buyers consider.

here are the list of processors that are hot in market:

Intel :

1) E5200
2) E7400
3) Q9450
4) i7 920
5) E8400

AMD:

1) Phenom II X2 550
2) Phenom II X4 920
3) Phenom II X4 940

You could have gone for E8400 or E5200 if you prefer Intel or X2 550/X4 940 if yo uprefer AMD.

Re: Tried and Tested - Graphic Cards

Desibond n1. :razz:

L

Re: Tried and Tested - Graphic Cards

desiibond said:
Name one current gen processor that can bottleneck 8400GS or any sub 5k card!!! My 7750 BE is able to drive HD4770 without any effort. Atleast you should've considered a processor that is inside or around 10k and one that is selling like hot cakes in the market.

Another explanation and a practical example. Assume a graphics card benchmark. You want to keep everything else constant, so any change in performance scores (FPS whatever) can be attributed to the change in graphics card. Therefore a particular CPU, RAM, board and hard drive are used and stuck with throughout the test.

Now remember in this test we also had cards like the GTS 250 and the HD4850, which aren't entry-level even though they may be priced lower. Also remember when you say drive without any effort and I say bottleneck - these are two different things.

A Sempron 1150 will drive even a GTX 295 - as to say it will work, but not optimally. Now if you were to (hypothetically) replace your 7750BE with an X4 965BE, the hike in FPS would be noticeable. If you were to use a Core i7 975 and matching system, it would be greater. The fact that there is positive scaling indicates a bottleneck NOT the ability to work with some hardware or "drive it". Therefore we use as fast a system as possible to avoid bottlenecks.

desiibond said:
here are the list of processors that are hot in market:

Intel :

1) E5200
2) E7400
3) Q9450
4) i7 920
5) E8400

AMD:

1) Phenom II X2 550
2) Phenom II X4 920
3) Phenom II X4 940
You could have gone for E8400 or E5200 if you prefer Intel or X2 550/X4 940 if yo uprefer AMD.

Preference isn't of concern. Intels Core 2 Duos and Core i7s still lead the performance numbers when it comes to games and even AMD doesn't deny that. Which is why we use Intel CPUs for such graphics tests and all high-performance testing. If anyone recalls a few years back we used Athlon 64s - because they were the best. It's a matter of which brand of CPU is better at the time. These CPUs are hot sellers, but we wanted something to show the limit of what these cards could do - sans bottlenecks. Which is why the QX9650 - it's a darn good though darn expensive CPU.

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toofan said:
Excellent

10/10

Thanks. We'll keep up the good work in that case

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CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 (Ultima 90i cooled)
Mobo: ASUS P5K Deluxe
RAM: OCZ XTC PC8500 4x1 GB - 1066 MHz @ 5-5-5-15
Graphics: ZOTAC GeForce GTX 285 AMP! @ 700/2600 MHz
Storage: 150 GB WD Velociraptor + 1 TB WD Black + 500 GB WD 5000AAKS
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64 (genuine retail copy)
Sound: ASUS Xonar Essence ST
Speakers: 'Sangram' modded Altec MX 5021
Cabinet: CM STACKER RC 830
Display: ViewSonic VX 2025 WM

Killer Configuration. Awesome

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I dont think that any other explaination is required !!!!!!!!!!

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^^Yeah. That's an awesome explanation. Thanks Lucifer!!!

Re: Wikipedia – behind the pages

@Anorion
Gud Article,
From Presentation to the content, the article was interesting. Still now many had used Wikipedia - and never had seen what's behind it, Tnx digit for showing what's behind the pages

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the price of samsung 2233rz is mentioned around 9-10k in the august 09 issue whereas its around 20k as mentioned in techtree.PLEASE comment*www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/article.jsp?print=1

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Anorion said:
LCD monitors in the market get tested.

the price of samsung 2233rz is mentioned around 9-10k in the august 09 issue whereas its around 20k as mentioned in techtree.PLEASE comment*www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp...le.jsp?print=1

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techtree always has high price. Don't ever check that site. Its a bandwidth hog.

check here.
*www.theitwares.com/monitors/monitors.htm

Re: Myths about open source

@Techalomaniac

+1

Re: Tried and Tested - LCD screens

Checked the site.its awesome but the monitor i had queried is a samsung 2233RZ whereas in itwares the price of samsung 2233SW is Rs 9200.The 2233RZ is 120hz monitor that supports nvidia 3d vision. Is it available for around 9-10k. Please reply!

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All the unboxing videos are lagging a lot. They are playing robotically. They play fine till the part where the video starts. Then they give very low FPS. The audio runs fine. I use VLC 1.0. Also, i copied videos to HDD, still the same prob.

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Thorough, methodical and damn awesome article.

Full marks for detail and also for taking the sub 7k market seriously as thats what sells the most. Good idea that about testing all th GFX cards so that we have an idea abt the entry level to premium cards...

10.1/10

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vickybat said:
Checked the site.its awesome but the monitor i had queried is a samsung 2233RZ whereas in itwares the price of samsung 2233SW is Rs 9200.The 2233RZ is 120hz monitor that supports nvidia 3d vision. Is it available for around 9-10k. Please reply!

hey toofan buddy need your help on this one

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Oops you did not find. I am looking at net but for your help I would suggest you to post ur problem in Hardware section. Some will surely help you.

click the link below

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3584&page=164

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67948&page=10

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hey toofan bro did ya find anythin??

please reply
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hey toofan buddy are you there please reply

Well, this month's mag was very good.
But, it was like those thrillers with sh1tty endings.

Game reviews..........WTH was that...???!!!!

I agree u guys have *SKOAR! who has the responsibility for Game reviews/previews but let me tell u very clearly, ur game reviews suck big time.

They are hurried, no screenshots, no proper visuals...in short not at all attractive.

I guess either u don't know or have forgotten that a large chunk of ur readers still depend upon ur take on latest games...

Personally I didn't like the section at all.
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topgear said:
What happend to the Consumer Protection section ?? !! - I don't think there's a shortage of complaints.

And this is the second thing......

Where has it gone???

It was one ur good (or best) initiatives...and just stopped????!!!!!!!!!!

U guys were on the verge becoming more than a computer mag.......
but.......8) :-?