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146 posts · originally from https://geek.digit.in/community/threads/processor-cpu-news-channel.208353/

chimera201
chimera201 Original post #1
May 21, 2020 at 5:34 PM
Post any CPU launches, announcements, reviews and any interesting news here.
W
May 21, 2020 at 8:00 PM
Edited thread title to make it more clear because some here may confuse cpu with cabinet.:)
chimera201
May 21, 2020 at 8:20 PM
Edited thread title to make it more clear because some here may confuse cpu with cabinet.:)

Good point. My office IT guys still consider the whole PC as CPU. Some employees took the office PC home and the authorization document had CPU written in it :facepalm:
chimera201
May 21, 2020 at 8:27 PM
*www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-3-3100/

One thing that stood out to me
*tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-3-3100/images/cpu-temperature.png

Ryzen 3000 series really runs hot. And this chart is on a Noctua NH-U12.
Add 10°C for the stock cooler. And another 10°C since the reviewer is from Germany.
Then Ryzen 5 3600 is basically at 85°C.
Core i5 8400 runs cool in comparison.
W
May 21, 2020 at 9:36 PM
Good point. My office IT guys still consider the whole PC as CPU. Some employees took the office PC home and the authorization document had CPU written in it :facepalm:
Saw something similar at a friend's office.
W
May 21, 2020 at 9:40 PM
Ryzen 3000 series really runs hot. And this chart is on a Noctua NH-U12.
Add 10°C for the stock cooler. And another 10°C since the reviewer is from Germany.
Then Ryzen 5 3600 is basically at 85°C.
Core i5 8400 runs cool in comparison.
Good catch but are you sure about i5 8400 because recently saw this:
*geek.digit.in/community/threads/overheating-problems.29033/post-2383369
chimera201
May 21, 2020 at 10:10 PM
The chart looks legit as this guy is reporting that the i3 has a higher temp than the i5 8400 just like the chart
*www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/is-it-normal-for-i3-8100-have-higher-temp-than-i5-8400.254468/
chimera201
May 21, 2020 at 10:50 PM
Another source
*www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Temperatures.png
*www.kitguru.net/components/leo-wal...-and-core-i5-8400-with-z370-aorus-gaming-7/6/
omega44-xt
May 22, 2020 at 8:05 AM
The chart looks legit as this guy is reporting that the i3 has a higher temp than the i5 8400 just like the chart
*www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/is-it-normal-for-i3-8100-have-higher-temp-than-i5-8400.254468/
Surely interesting.

This seems like a good reason " i5 has a better mount than the i3 in terms of the IHS to die mating ", mentioned in that thread.

Another reason can be that the i3 needs more voltage than i5. An i3 is just a defective chip of sorts. Back in initial Ryzen 1st gen days, some lucky R5 1600 users got an 8 core CPU, surely was running a bit slower than R7 but still it was 8 legit cores, 2 of them AMD forgot to disable properly.
W
May 22, 2020 at 11:34 AM
An i3 is just a defective chip of sorts.
Actually this was also mentioned in that thread & later proved wrong.
With few exceptions aside, this is simply not true.

Up to 7th gen, i3s used 2 core die, and i5/i7s used 4 core die.
8th gen i5/i7 use 6 core die (U0). 8th gen i3s use 4 core die (B0 - the same thing as 7th gen i7/i5s were).

Only recently - due to intel's cpu shortages - we can find on MB support pages that some specific i3/pentium models might come in U0 flavor.
But, since OP's i3 cpuid is 906EB, it is B0 die - the full, non-defective 4 core.
skeletor
skeletor #12
May 22, 2020 at 3:52 PM
*www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-3-3100/

One thing that stood out to me
*tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-3-3100/images/cpu-temperature.png

Ryzen 3000 series really runs hot. And this chart is on a Noctua NH-U12.
Add 10°C for the stock cooler. And another 10°C since the reviewer is from Germany.
Then Ryzen 5 3600 is basically at 85°C.
Core i5 8400 runs cool in comparison.
yes, I think it's because of multiple dies in there. The simple "pea drop in the middle" thermal paste strategy isn't working I guess.

SaiyanGoku
May 22, 2020 at 3:55 PM
yes, I think it's because of multiple dies in there. The simple "pea drop in the middle" thermal paste strategy isn't working I guess.
Yes, that can be the reason. I've tried the line, X, dot and spread method on my laptop's CPU and GPU. Spread has been the most effective till now and RTX 2060 has a larger die compared to the 9750H.
skeletor
skeletor #14
May 22, 2020 at 4:00 PM
Yes, that can be the reason. I've tried the line, X, dot and spread method on my laptop's CPU and GPU. Spread has been the most effective till now and RTX 2060 has a larger die compared to the 9750H.
also with GPUs and Laptop CPUs we almost never have the "heat spreader" like we do on desktop CPUs. So, sufficial thermal paste is critical.
chimera201
May 23, 2020 at 2:09 PM
*noctua.at/en/nh-u14s/faq#226
"The latest Ryzen 3000 processors (except APU models) differ from previous Ryzen generations in that they are no longer based on a single, large chip but use a multi-chip approach with smaller chips instead. Depending on the exact model there can be one (6 and 8-core models) or two (12 and 16-core models) actual CPU-Dies (CCD) on the package. Each processor also uses an I/O-Die (IOD), which contains things like the memory controller, PCIe controller, connections to the motherboard chipset and other functions.

Because of this design change and the switch to a smaller 7nm manufacturing process, the heat distribution of the overall processor is much different from older 14nm and 12nm based single-chip Ryzen processors with a similar power draw.

Depending on the exact CPU model, its specified TDP value and possibly extended power limits (precision boost overdrive), a single CPU-die can create a heatload of up to 130W easily, whereas the I/O-die usually creates a heatload of about 10W. Due to the small size of the CPU-die, the heat density (W/mm²) of this chip is very high. For example, a 120W heatload at a chip-size of 74mm² results in a heat-density of 1.62W/mm², whereas the same heatload on an older Ryzen processor with a chip-size of 212mm² gives a heat-density of just 0.57W/mm².

This large difference in heat-density is the reason why newer Ryzen 3000 processors become much warmer at similar heatloads than their predecessors.

Furthermore, Ryzen 3000 CPUs are using the rated temperature headroom (up to 95°C) quite aggressively in order to reach higher boost clocks. As a result, it is absolutely no problem and not alarming if the processor runs into this temperature limit. The clock speed and supply voltage will be adjusted automatically by the processor itself in order to remain within AMD’s specifications and to prevent overheating.

Due to the higher heat density, higher thermal limits and more aggressive boost clock usage, it is perfectly normal that Ryzen 3000 CPUs are reaching higher temperatures than previous generation Ryzen CPUs with the same TDP rating. Higher CPU temperatures are normal for Ryzen 3000 processors and not a sign of that there is anything wrong with the CPU cooler."



I am not sure using 95°C as the throttle limit is good for the life of the CPU and mobo.
I wish reviewers tested CPUs as they do PSUs - in a 50°C hotbox and with the stock cooler. Surely there will be some performance penalty due to throttling.
W
May 23, 2020 at 2:28 PM
I am not sure using 95°C as the throttle limit is good for the life of the CPU and mobo.
I wish reviewers tested CPUs as they do PSUs - in a 50°C hotbox and with the stock cooler. Surely there will be some performance penalty due to throttling.
Exactly & this is especially important for a country like India where majority of the region experience 40C+ temp for months. I think it is better to get a good aftermarket cooler for those doing some serious gaming/workstation stuff on ryzen 3rd gen processors unless some review can prove that stock coolers are good enough.
chimera201
May 23, 2020 at 3:17 PM
AMD also probably auto overclocked their Ryzen 3000 series aggressively to come close to Intel in IPC performance. There wasn't really any good thermal benchmarks at 3000 seres launch.
quicky008
quicky008 #18
May 24, 2020 at 10:08 PM
this information regarding the heating issues prevalent in the latest ryzen 3000 series cpus is really interesting.

does this mean its better to avoid these cpus as they are likely to overheat and cause stability issues in the long run?

will using an aftermarket cooler like the hyper 212/410r etc mitigate this issue to some extent?
W
May 24, 2020 at 10:23 PM
this information regarding the heating issues prevalent in the latest ryzen 3000 series cpus is really interesting.

does this mean its better to avoid these cpus as they are likely to overheat and cause stability issues in the long run?

will using an aftermarket cooler like the hyper 212/410r etc mitigate this issue to some extent?
Overheating depends on your usage scenario & local climate. For most people it is just a matter of running these processors at 60C instead of 50C so not much difference(just an example).

Hyper 410R is a 92mm cpu cooler not much better than intel stock cooler & may be even worse than amd stock coolers on ryzen 3rd gen.
*www.amazon.in/gp/customer-reviews/R1VBAY8HZTOLZL/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B0784FZT8H
chimera201
May 25, 2020 at 1:41 PM
Core i5 10400F tested
*www.computerbase.de/2020-05/intel-core-i5-10400f-test/3/#abschnitt_temperatur_zeigt_keine_probleme

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W
May 25, 2020 at 2:30 PM
^^So what does it exactly mean, I understand price performance ratio but what is this new trend of putting everything in ratio %.
chimera201
May 25, 2020 at 2:35 PM
^^So what does it exactly mean, I understand price performance ratio but what is this new trend of putting everything in ratio %.

Relative comparison. Absolute temps don't mean anything since it would depend on ambient temps, the cooler used, open bench, etc and you cannot compare absolute values to other reviews. But relative comparison on the same setup makes sense. You can click the link and see actual values.

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W
May 25, 2020 at 3:39 PM
You can click the link and see actual values.
I saw but still I am a bit confused. What does max power/heat here indicates when expressed in % terms. e.g. Does 100% means max power per unit of heat is same but 194% means max power is almost 2 times per unit of heat?
chimera201
May 25, 2020 at 4:09 PM
I saw but still I am a bit confused. What does max power/heat here indicates when expressed in % terms. e.g. Does 100% means max power per unit of heat is same but 194% means max power is almost 2 times per unit of heat?

In previous image
48°C is considered as base 100%
So
51°C is (51*100/48) ~ 106%
93°C is (93*100/48) ~ 194%
W
May 25, 2020 at 4:30 PM
In previous image
48°C is considered as base 100%
So
51°C is (51*100/48) ~ 106%
93°C is (93*100/48) ~ 194%
:facepalm: I thought 106% is like (1.06unit of max power(of processor/1 unit of heat dissipated)*100
skeletor
skeletor #26
May 25, 2020 at 9:13 PM
this information regarding the heating issues prevalent in the latest ryzen 3000 series cpus is really interesting.

does this mean its better to avoid these cpus as they are likely to overheat and cause stability issues in the long run?

will using an aftermarket cooler like the hyper 212/410r etc mitigate this issue to some extent?
They are not over-heating, neither have heating issues.

If you have Wraith Prism (stock cooler with high-end Ryzen), then Hyper 212 variants are only slightly better in terms of cooling, but are much less noisier.

I've owned Ryzen 7 3700X and now I own Ryzen 9 3900X, and have only used Wraith Prism with both.

3700X maxed out at 75 C and 3900X maxed out at 81 C with AVX2 stress testing. My ambient temperature is typically between 27 to 33 C in summer.

May be you can add 10-12 degrees for India, but I don't know whether you can do so for load temperatures (not idle) on current generation chips because coolers supplied these days with AMD are really strong. 10 years ago, looking at the Sandy Bridge stock cooler I had and the Bulldozer architecture, I would have said yes.

I will also do some experimentation in this regard next week. I had ordered a Noctua U12S because I find Wraith Prism noisy.
W
May 25, 2020 at 9:30 PM
I will also do some experimentation in this regard next week. I had ordered a Noctua U12S because I find Wraith Prism noisy.
Looking forward to your results.:)
W
May 25, 2020 at 11:02 PM
I had ordered it 2 months ago but haven't installed it because of laziness.
I got B350 mobo in oct 2018, ryzen 1200 in feb 2019, ddr4 ram in mar 2019 & still not able to assemble because of various real life issues. :-(

P.S. there is no sigh emoticon & emoji is posting in huge full page size(check lounge)
chimera201
May 26, 2020 at 10:28 AM
*www.techspot.com/review/1635-amd-wraith-coolers-compared/
*static.techspot.com/articles-info/1635/bench/Blender.png

15°C difference between Stealth and Prism. Ryzen 5 3600 comes with Stealth.
bssunilreddy
May 26, 2020 at 11:00 AM
I am using Warith Prism on R5 3600 and while on Prime95 it goes as high as 67 degrees and thats all. Normal temps are 44 degrees.
bssunilreddy
May 26, 2020 at 12:34 PM
Ryzen 3000 Refresh deals with Intel 10th Gen before Ryzen 4000 release. Means AMD making sure no competition when Ryzen 4000 gets released.
Super clever stratergy. Wiping out Intel on every level.
Even nvidia opts for AMD processors now that Intel is stranded. Unless a miracle happens nothing can save Intel now from its extinction.
W
May 26, 2020 at 12:49 PM
Better than Wraith Spire
Found this according to which Deepcool Gammaxx 200T(available for ~1.9k on mdcomputers) is a much better option than stealth, better than spire & just a bit behind prism. Hyper 212 3k+ price seems overpriced as per this.
*www.techspot.com/review/1635-amd-wraith-coolers-compared/
chimera201
May 26, 2020 at 2:30 PM
Found this according to which Deepcool Gammaxx 200T(available for ~1.9k on mdcomputers) is a much better option than stealth, better than spire & just a bit behind prism. Hyper 212 3k+ price seems overpriced as per this.
*www.techspot.com/review/1635-amd-wraith-coolers-compared/

That's just the article that I posted before :)
Anyways that post was intended at @ico's post
The more popular CPU 3600 that costs 15-16k has a bad stock cooler.
And when you are paying that much for a 3700X you expect a decent stock cooler :p
Whereas the Intel stock cooler at 15-17K price point is good enough and you also get iGPU with it.
W
May 26, 2020 at 2:46 PM
Yeah, never noticed.:)

I guess we should start recommending deepcool gammaxx 200T for 2k for people building rigs with ryzen 3600 etc or at least make them aware of this option should they find their temps regularly crossing 70C.
skeletor
skeletor #39
May 26, 2020 at 7:51 PM
That's just the article that I posted before :)
Anyways that post was intended at @ico's post
The more popular CPU 3600 that costs 15-16k has a bad stock cooler.
And when you are paying that much for a 3700X you expect a decent stock cooler :p
Whereas the Intel stock cooler at 15-17K price point is good enough and you also get iGPU with it.
Yes, just looked at 3600. It has Wraith Stealth and should have had Wraith Spire (at the minimum).

Stealth is what you get with 3200G. For 3600, it’s not enough. I agree.

Edit: What’s happening here in US is 3700X/3900X people have been selling off their Wraith Prism coolers for $10 to $15. Now, I realize where they are going. :lol:
W
May 26, 2020 at 9:01 PM
Edit: What’s happening here in US is 3700X/3900X people have been selling off their Wraith Prism coolers for $10 to $15. Now, I realize where they are going. :lol:
What do these people use then?
bssunilreddy
May 26, 2020 at 11:31 PM
What do these people use then?
Custom LCs and mostly NZXT or Corsair 240 RADS probably because these are what I am seeing mostly in reddit subreddits like pcmasterrace etc I mean showoff sections.
W
May 27, 2020 at 1:15 AM
Custom LCs and mostly NZXT or Corsair 240 RADS probably because these are what I am seeing mostly in reddit subreddits like pcmasterrace etc I mean showoff sections.

Builders with high-end configs mostly buy third-party coolers.

I always thought such people are in minority & use stock coolers in some other build of theirs instead of selling them off on sites like ebay.
chimera201
May 28, 2020 at 1:14 PM
*www.techpowerup.com/267774/intel-s...r-some-of-its-higher-10th-gen-core-and-xeon-w

*www.techpowerup.com/267757/psa-the...re-i5-in-circulation-only-one-comes-with-stim

*www.techpowerup.com/267726/intel-issues-pcn-reflecting-lga1200-support-for-bxts15a-boxed-cooler
chimera201
May 28, 2020 at 7:39 PM
*www.techspot.com/review/2032-intel-core-i5-10400/
omega44-xt
May 28, 2020 at 8:46 PM
*www.techspot.com/review/2032-intel-core-i5-10400/
Usually Intel had lower prices for i5 compared to R5, lets see how its priced in India. Even for same price, R5 3600 is the better choice though.
chimera201
May 28, 2020 at 9:28 PM
Usually Intel had lower prices for i5 compared to R5, lets see how its priced in India. Even for same price, R5 3600 is the better choice though.

There are 2 things against R5 3600:
> Lacks integrated graphics. Highly important for Indians as rate of GPU failure is high.
> Wraith stealth is not enough for R5 3600 whereas the stock Intel cooler for i5 is enough.
SaiyanGoku
May 28, 2020 at 9:37 PM
Wraith stealth is not enough for R5 3600 whereas the stock Intel cooler for i5 is enough.
Wait, I'm gonna need whatever you had before posting this :rofl:
chimera201
May 28, 2020 at 10:02 PM
Wait, I'm gonna need whatever you had before posting this :rofl:
*tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i5-10400f/images/cpu-temperature.png

I own R5 3600 :p
SaiyanGoku
May 28, 2020 at 10:32 PM
*tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i5-10400f/images/cpu-temperature.png

I own R5 3600 :p
These are on NH-U12S. Intel stock heat sinks are like or even worse than wraith stealth.
chimera201
May 28, 2020 at 10:40 PM
These are on NH-U12S. Intel stock heat sinks are like or even worse than wraith stealth.

That's the point. The Intel i5 CPU itself just runs cooler by about 15°C so with a cooler that is only slightly worse than Wraith Stealth it can run cool enough whereas the 3600 can't since it has really aggressive auto overclocking.

*static.techspot.com/articles-info/1900/bench/Temps.png
W
May 28, 2020 at 10:42 PM
^^How did they install intel coolers on ryzen 3600, I don't think intel sells amd compatible mounting kits for their coolers.
chimera201
May 28, 2020 at 10:55 PM
^^How did they install intel coolers on ryzen 3600, I don't think intel sells amd compatible mounting kits for their coolers.
*www.techspot.com/review/1900-intel-vs-amd-stock-cooler/

But recently shortly after testing the Wraith Spire, we received a tip to compare Intel and AMD's box coolers using the new Asrock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3 motherboard. This particular board uses LGA1156 mounting holes, meaning it has native support for Intel coolers. Asrock did this to save space on the board and we weren’t going to miss the opportunity to stick the crappy Intel box cooler on the Ryzen 5 3600. So we bought a Phantom Gaming-ITX and got to testing.

Now, this motherboard only supports Intel coolers, so to test the Wraith range on the same Ryzen 5 3600 CPU we used the Asrock Steel Legend. Since we’re using the exact same CPU with the same settings, this should still provide accurate results with the only potential issue being the board layout. The Mini-ITX board is cramped and there’s no open space around the cooler, this will negatively impact CPU cooling performance. Therefore to replicate this on the Steel Legend which is a more open motherboard, we encompassed the Wraith coolers with a strip of cardboard, modified to replicate the air-flow obstacles of the ITX board.
W
May 29, 2020 at 12:13 AM
^^Quite ingenious. Still one major thing against intel 10th gen though, going by the past trend I doubt availability of any good mobo priced ~7-8k compared to B450 options like asrock,asus & gigabyte.
skeletor
skeletor #55
May 29, 2020 at 10:23 AM
AMD should improve upon Wraith Stealth in the next gen.

i5-10400 is a good part. But be warned about the locked memory frequency of 2666 MHz on non-Z series boards.

omega44-xt
May 29, 2020 at 8:34 PM
There are 2 things against R5 3600:
> Lacks integrated graphics. Highly important for Indians as rate of GPU failure is high.
> Wraith stealth is not enough for R5 3600 whereas the stock Intel cooler for i5 is enough.
An i5 10400 will not compete with R5 3600 as it will be priced higher. 10400F will likely be priced the same as R5 3600, both lack iGPU.

Wraith + R5 3600 might run a bit hotter than i5 10400F + its cooler, but R5 3600 performs better in CPU intensive tasks. Also, I won't consider 65C as bad for 21C room. Gaming doesn't load the CPU as much as those stress tests, so it will be cooler and the difference will be smaller.

Considering RAM freq is locked at 2666MHz for non Z490 mobos, it deals a serious blow to i5 10400F. So I won't be recommending it over R5 3600. AS mentioned earlier, new B series mobos will be expensive initially. By the time prices fall down, we might have Ryzen 4000.
chimera201
May 29, 2020 at 9:07 PM
Also, I won't consider 65C as bad for 21C room.

That is with a Noctua cooler...
And 3600 easily reaches 95C on atleast one core even when gaming with the stock cooler when the ambient is above 35C. You just need to play an optimized game at above 60fps like FH4.
omega44-xt
May 29, 2020 at 9:52 PM
That is with a Noctua cooler...
And 3600 easily reaches 95C on atleast one core even when gaming with the stock cooler when the ambient is above 35C. You just need to play an optimized game at above 60fps like FH4.
Then why do people say that the cooler is ok & better than what Intel provides? People don't say that the cooler is good & even say that a cheap CM Hyper 212 does a better job, but say that it's good enough. Even in Reddit, a lot of people build PC with that box cooler.
chimera201
May 29, 2020 at 10:36 PM
Then why do people say that the cooler is ok & better than what Intel provides? People don't say that the cooler is good & even say that a cheap CM Hyper 212 does a better job, but say that it's good enough. Even in Reddit, a lot of people build PC with that box cooler.

Because most of them are talking about Wraith Prism which is a good cooler not Wraith Stealth. Enthusiasts on forums always talk about the high end stuff and AMD is better in that segment. But most Indians don't buy that expensive stuff.
omega44-xt
May 30, 2020 at 9:28 AM
Because most of them are talking about Wraith Prism which is a good cooler not Wraith Stealth. Enthusiasts on forums always talk about the high end stuff and AMD is better in that segment. But most Indians don't buy that expensive stuff.
Many do own R5 3600, it is just a great value for money CPU now. I'm talking about such people as the inclusion of box cooler is considered a big advantage for AMD against Intel K/KF CPUs even if they are priced the same. I have seen many pair it with even something like RTX 2070S for 1440p gaming, surely does the job well.
skeletor
skeletor #62
May 31, 2020 at 12:39 PM
*www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-4000-renoir-desktop-benchmarks

Ryzen 7 4700G with 8 cores + SMT + iGPU.

That 90% "uplift" is CPU performance uplift over 4 cores. (saved you a click)
chimera201
Jun 1, 2020 at 6:55 PM
*www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i3-10100/21.html

*tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i3-10100/images/relative-performance-cpu.png*tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i3-10100/images/relative-performance-games-38410-2160.png
W
Jun 1, 2020 at 8:16 PM
Seems good processor but unless there are good 6-7k priced mid series mobo(like some cheap decent quality B360 mobos used to be available earlier) with 6 sata ports I still think sticking to ryzen is better.
omega44-xt
Jun 1, 2020 at 9:12 PM
4K gamers are very few. No one in their sane mind would pair an i3 with RTX 2080Ti for 4K gaming. Those with high-end PCs prefer 1440p 144Hz for a reason, which is, balance between resolution & high refresh rate at a good price.

For 1080p, that i3 performs similar to R3 3300X but Ryzen is cheaper considering US price. Also thing about mobos said earlier is true as well, so 3300X is the better choice.
chimera201
Jun 1, 2020 at 9:58 PM
*www.techspot.com/review/2033-intel-core-i3-10100/
chimera201
Jun 4, 2020 at 10:25 PM
*www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10500/
chimera201
Jun 5, 2020 at 11:40 AM
Wow TechPowerUp is getting all the CPUs to review

*www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i3-10300/
skeletor
skeletor #69
Jun 5, 2020 at 11:45 AM
I like TPU's review format, but I think these CPUs could have been reviewed in one article.
chimera201
Jun 9, 2020 at 3:38 PM
*www.techpowerup.com/268260/hwinfos...ow-motherboard-makers-are-cheating-ryzen-cpus

*www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/expla...er-reporting-deviation-metric-in-hwinfo.6456/
mayurthemad01
Jun 10, 2020 at 1:37 AM
*www.pcgamer.com/eternal-darkness-flaw-in-windows-10-sounds-scary-as-hell-best-to-patch-it-now/
Can anyone clarify about this please ?

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk
W
Jun 10, 2020 at 12:35 PM
*www.pcgamer.com/eternal-darkness-flaw-in-windows-10-sounds-scary-as-hell-best-to-patch-it-now/
Can anyone clarify about this please ?

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk
SMB protocol is basically used for network file sharing especially with other systems running different versions of windows.

*www.laptopmag.com/news/dun-dun-dun-eternal-darkness-flaw-threatens-windows-10-pcs-what-to-do
That said, Microsoft wrote in a security advisory that the vulnerability exists in a new feature that was added to Windows 10 version 1903 (released on May 27), and, therefore, older versions of Windows aren't in danger.
:lol: It means those running LTSC 2019(based on win 10 v1809) are safe.

You can install just the patch for this flaw from here:
*portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2020-0796
quicky008
quicky008 #73
Jun 10, 2020 at 6:05 PM
downloaded the standalone patch but it says its not applicable to my windows(v 1909).

I haven't updated my win installation since april of this year.
W
Jun 10, 2020 at 6:09 PM
downloaded the standalone patch but it says its not applicable to my windows(v 1909).

I haven't updated my win installation since april of this year.
If you are indeed downloading the correct version of patch for your win 10 version then probably it is already installed in some auto update you missed or some win 10 update in Apr.
chimera201
Jul 13, 2020 at 10:32 PM
*www.techspot.com/review/2057-ryzen-1700-vs-ryzen-3300x/
chimera201
Jul 14, 2020 at 12:43 PM
Core i9-10900 coolest CPU

*tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i9-10900/images/cpu-temperature.png

*www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-10900/19.html
SaiyanGoku
Jul 14, 2020 at 12:56 PM
Core i9-10900 coolest CPU

*tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i9-10900/images/cpu-temperature.png

*www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-10900/19.html
40 °C is absurdly cool for a 14mn 10C/20T CPU :shock:
Any TL;DR for how they did it?
chimera201
Jul 14, 2020 at 1:39 PM
40 °C is absurdly cool for a 14mn 10C/20T CPU :shock:
Any TL;DR for how they did it?

The processor is just trying to limit itself to the 65W TDP limit. Even then the stock performance is pretty good.
quicky008
quicky008 #80
Jul 14, 2020 at 2:28 PM
Hot in terms of price though.
omega44-xt
Jul 14, 2020 at 6:24 PM
Core i9-10900 coolest CPU

*tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i9-10900/images/cpu-temperature.png

*www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-10900/19.html
That looks nice. How much ever you bash Intel, their 14nm is surely refined. Say even a refined 10nm will help them compete with Ryzen rather than getting beaten down like they are now.

Surely something like even Ryzen 5 3600 doesn't run at 65W if it has thermal headroom. But sadly Intel's CPUs on anything other than Z series mobo won't go over rated TDP it seems & even no support for XMP. Because of such stuff, people recommend AMD. Intel is still surviving on its brand value. Ideally, a 50-50 market share between Intel & AMD will be a win for consumers.
chimera201
Aug 9, 2020 at 2:55 PM
*www.tomshardware.com/news/massive-20gb-intel-data-breach-floods-the-internet-mentions-backdoors

Till Kottmann, a Swiss IT consultant, posted on Twitter a link to a file sharing service today that contains what an anonymous source claims is a portion of Intel's crown jewels: A 20GB folder of confidential Intel intellectual property. The leaker dubbed the release the "Intel exconfidential Lake Platform Release ;)."

Update: Intel has responded to Tom's Hardware with an official statement:

"We are investigating this situation. The information appears to come from the Intel Resource and Design Center, which hosts information for use by our customers, partners and other external parties who have registered for access. We believe an individual with access downloaded and shared this data."
skeletor
skeletor #83
Nov 12, 2020 at 1:20 PM
Let's see how Apple M1 performs. :p
chimera201
Dec 7, 2020 at 2:11 PM
*www.tomshardware.com/news/chinas-28nm-capable-chip-fabbing-tool-on-track-amid-trade-war
skeletor
skeletor #85
Dec 8, 2020 at 10:05 PM
*www.tomshardware.com/news/chinas-28nm-capable-chip-fabbing-tool-on-track-amid-trade-war
Meanwhile, India wastes its time in #boycott Tanishq and Zomato.
TheSloth
TheSloth #87
Dec 9, 2020 at 3:49 PM
Meanwhile, India wastes its time in #boycott Tanishq and Zomato.
By any chance here do you mean Indian culture is to blame?
TheSloth
TheSloth #89
Dec 9, 2020 at 6:06 PM
Culture is not a living entity, it is always Indians to blame not Indian culture.
I was just joking with @ico . Don't you remember this dialog? It was quite famous back then on this forum.
rockfella
rockfella #91
Dec 11, 2020 at 12:30 AM
Good point. My office IT guys still consider the whole PC as CPU. Some employees took the office PC home and the authorization document had CPU written in it :facepalm:
LOL.
Nerevarine
Apr 5, 2021 at 5:16 PM
5600 non X when ? gibe pliase
omega44-xt
Apr 6, 2021 at 9:19 PM
After their announcement I expected the i5 11400 & 11400F to be great value considering 10400 is a great value. Seems that is true, esp because of the high R5 3600 price & lack of R5 5600/5500.

Some sellers are listing i5 11400 for 17k, which will be good enough.
quicky008
quicky008 #96
Apr 17, 2021 at 1:36 AM
how about the 9400f?Is it still a good value,esp for 9-10k?
TheSloth
TheSloth #97
Apr 17, 2021 at 10:34 AM
how about the 9400f?Is it still a good value,esp for 9-10k?
9K sounds good for this. The direct competitor R5 3500 is costlier. But all comes down to overall cost, how much is mobo? Or you already have a mobo.
omega44-xt
Apr 17, 2021 at 7:17 PM
how about the 9400f?Is it still a good value,esp for 9-10k?
Yes, 9k is great. As mentioned earlier, what about mobo?

Remember that i5 10400F is 13.5k.
mitraark
mitraark #99
Apr 30, 2021 at 2:09 PM
Any news on i5 11400f availability in India? Expected price?
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #100
Apr 30, 2021 at 8:30 PM
Any news on i5 11400f availability in India? Expected price?
I think few seller have i5 11400 for 17k & 11500 for 19.5k, still not easily available as 10th gen. Try small sellers. The i5 10400F is 13k with some sellers, not bad IMO. Don't forget that B560 mobos are rare as well for 11th gen.
khalil1210
khalil1210 #101
Apr 30, 2021 at 10:02 PM
the it depot has 11400F available Buy Online Intel Core I5-11400F 2.60 GHz Processor lowest price in india at www.theitdepot.com
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #102
May 1, 2021 at 9:47 AM
the it depot has 11400F available Buy Online Intel Core I5-11400F 2.60 GHz Processor lowest price in india at www.theitdepot.com
Better get iGPU i5 11400 for a similar price. The iGPU will be handy, esp now.
quicky008
quicky008 #103
May 1, 2021 at 2:47 PM
isn't the successor to rocket lake,named "Cascade lake" or something slated for release at the end of this year? Will it be based on LGA 1200 and still support DDR4 ram?
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #104
May 1, 2021 at 6:27 PM
isn't the successor to rocket lake,named "Cascade lake" or something slated for release at the end of this year? Will it be based on LGA 1200 and still support DDR4 ram?
Intel 12th gen (for ease of saying) won't use the current socket.
Nerevarine
Nerevarine #105
May 1, 2021 at 6:34 PM
I think Intel 12th gen will exclusively be for laptops, it doesnt make any sense to put efficiency cores on a desktop machine when there is no battery limitation. I could be wrong.
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #106
May 1, 2021 at 9:14 PM
I think Intel 12th gen will exclusively be for laptops, it doesnt make any sense to put efficiency cores on a desktop machine when there is no battery limitation. I could be wrong.
You are wrong, in a way. If Intel faces another 10nm delay, then it can happen that some low powered laptop CPUs will again be 10nm, like is the case since 10th gen. We will get another 14nm++++++ high performance 12th gen CPUs for desktop & gaming laptops. But we will surely get a new gen of CPUs.
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aby geek #107
May 9, 2021 at 12:17 AM
*www.primeabgb.com/online-price-rev...11700k-11th-generation-rocket-lake-processor/

They are here. 11600k was 25k but now out of stock and 11700 is 32k. 10600k is 20k does it igp?

How do the 11thgen compare to ryzen line up?

3900x is 41775 and 5800x is 38900.
mitraark
mitraark #108
May 9, 2021 at 10:22 AM
wHATS THE PROSPECT OF IMPORTING A cpu ? sEEING PEOPLE IN REDDIT BUY PROCESSORS AT ALMOST 2/3 PRICE IN THE us MAKES ME HESITANT TO BUY LOCALLY. tHE I5 11400F WAS APPARENTLY BOUGHT FOR $160 BY MANY.
TheSloth
TheSloth #109
May 9, 2021 at 11:38 AM
wHATS THE PROSPECT OF IMPORTING A cpu ? sEEING PEOPLE IN REDDIT BUY PROCESSORS AT ALMOST 2/3 PRICE IN THE us MAKES ME HESITANT TO BUY LOCALLY. tHE I5 11400F WAS APPARENTLY BOUGHT FOR $160 BY MANY.
from where are they buying? Are they getting warranty?
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aby geek #110
May 9, 2021 at 1:30 PM
There are cases where its possible to get warranty but not always. Check this out.
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #111
May 9, 2021 at 9:54 PM
*www.primeabgb.com/online-price-rev...11700k-11th-generation-rocket-lake-processor/

They are here. 11600k was 25k but now out of stock and 11700 is 32k. 10600k is 20k does it igp?

How do the 11thgen compare to ryzen line up?

3900x is 41775 and 5800x is 38900.
The i5 10600K has iGPU but i5 10600KF doesn't.

11th gen is good against Ryzen, esp i5 11400 because of lack of R5 5600 or 5500. The i5 11400 outperforms R5 3600 in gaming, so a great buy. Also now B560 isn't limited to 2666MHz RAM like 10th gen, so that helps a bit as well.

5800X > 3900X in gaming but 3900X > 5800X for multicore productivity.

CPU mid range (1).png

CPU mid range (2).png
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aby geek #112
May 9, 2021 at 11:34 PM
This boy right here gonna eat up some benchmarks, especially if it replaces 4750g in under 30k segment.
The RYZEN 7 5700G Is A BEAST! No Graphics Card Ne…:
Where would the 4650g 4750g and 5700g come up in those benchmarks?
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #113
May 10, 2021 at 2:46 PM
This boy right here gonna eat up some benchmarks, especially if it replaces 4750g in under 30k segment.
The RYZEN 7 5700G Is A BEAST! No Graphics Card Ne…:
Where would the 4650g 4750g and 5700g come up in those benchmarks?
Considering 5800X is 38k+, I think this will be 30k+, if it even launches here. Who knows what will happen.
Nerevarine
Nerevarine #114
May 10, 2021 at 4:08 PM
If that launches at 30k, no one will buy 5600X for 26k. The iGPU alone will be worth atleast around ~3000
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #115
May 10, 2021 at 6:19 PM
If that launches at 30k, no one will buy 5600X for 26k. The iGPU alone will be worth atleast around ~3000
Yes. Even i7 10700K has fallen down to 30k, if only B460 mobos had XMP support, I could have recommended 10700K. I need to see some B560 VRM tests to see if it can take the load of a 150W+ CPU (when CPU's power limit is removed).
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aby geek #116
May 10, 2021 at 6:35 PM
5600x is 28k online and considering the cost of gpu as well lets make the cost of cpu 44-50k. And that 15-20k gpu can only be 1050ti right now. In that case 4750g which is almost 30k will be picked up by people even if its a few points behind 5600x. This is the very reason 10600k is out of stock coz it was going for 25k and has igp.
Now 5700g will be definitely in its own league way ahead of 4750g, maybe somewhere just below 5700x if it comes to market. Will be interesting to see what performance jump the 5750g will see over the 4750g.

How do you put a cost on the igp?
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #117
May 10, 2021 at 6:47 PM
5600x is 28k online and considering the cost of gpu as well lets make the cost of cpu 44-50k. And that 15-20k gpu can only be 1050ti right now. In that case 4750g which is almost 30k will be picked up by people even if its a few points behind 5600x. This is the very reason 10600k is out of stock coz it was going for 25k and has igp.
Now 5700g will be definitely in its own league way ahead of 4750g, maybe somewhere just below 5700x if it comes to market. Will be interesting to see what performance jump the 5750g will see over the 4750g.

How do you put a cost on the igp?
The iGPU was something nice to have, till last year. But now its important. Not sure how you put cost to it, but I put more priority to it nowadays while recommending others.
Nerevarine
Nerevarine #118
May 10, 2021 at 6:50 PM
The iGPU was something nice to have, till last year. But now its important. Not sure how you put cost to it, but I put more priority to it nowadays while recommending others.
It's because you can atleast have the system running while we wait for gpu stocks
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aby geek #120
May 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM
*www.theitwares.com/processors/amd-...Uyngx54FRichERAbfi9-GC6jjHsnylwRoCJXcQAvD_BwE

Cheapest 3900x I found till now.

And 11600k is back in stock.
*mdcomputers.in/intel-core-i5-11600...KksCifB-XcBi4Gt5suvNUioBOOW4k5axoC55cQAvD_BwE
mayurthemad01
May 15, 2021 at 11:14 AM
Intel Core i5-11500 Review - CPUAgent, found this review on core i5-11500.

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #122
May 15, 2021 at 2:06 PM
*www.theitwares.com/processors/amd-...Uyngx54FRichERAbfi9-GC6jjHsnylwRoCJXcQAvD_BwE

Cheapest 3900x I found till now.

And 11600k is back in stock.
*mdcomputers.in/intel-core-i5-11600...KksCifB-XcBi4Gt5suvNUioBOOW4k5axoC55cQAvD_BwE
The i5 11600K doesn't seem as good of a deal as 11400 or even 11500. For 6 core CPU, R5 5600X is still better & much more efficient.
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aby geek #123
May 19, 2021 at 3:22 PM
*www.anandtech.com/show/16680/tiger-lake-h-performance-review
Do you guys see any promise for the mid range in this?
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #124
May 19, 2021 at 4:24 PM
*www.anandtech.com/show/16680/tiger-lake-h-performance-review
Do you guys see any promise for the mid range in this?
Yes. Intel's CPU is much more competitive now compared to 10th gen & competition is always better. Lower tier i5 & i7 are the main CPUs that will be mainstream.
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aby geek #125
May 23, 2021 at 8:32 AM
How would you rate this performance?
Are you guys excited for these chips since AMD promised them for the consumer market.

And what alternative do we have for the parts used in this build that don't come to India.
topgear
topgear #126
May 23, 2021 at 9:37 AM
*www.techpowerup.com/282532/amd-socket-am5-an-lga-of-1-718-pins-with-ddr5-and-pcie-gen-4
Zangetsu
Zangetsu #127
May 26, 2021 at 2:29 AM
Anybody in TDF using the 64Core ThreadRipper Pro ?

The 6 Core i7 of mine feels tiny in front of this behemoth CPU
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aby geek #128
May 26, 2021 at 7:55 AM
^^you mean the 3995wx? But wasn't it only available through lenovo workstation p620? I don't think anyone would have bought that expensive a system. But I would also like to know if someone has built a rig using TR 3990x.
Zangetsu
Zangetsu #129
May 26, 2021 at 9:42 AM
Yes, any Thread Ripper which has 64 Cores. What a performance could be on such CPU.
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aby geek #130
May 26, 2021 at 1:41 PM
Check this out
Zangetsu
Zangetsu #131
May 29, 2021 at 12:19 AM
Ryzen 7 5700G is awesome. One can save costs on GPU

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aby geek #132
May 29, 2021 at 1:42 AM
^^ yupp! Already posted this on may 9. You are a page too late.
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aby geek #133
Jun 1, 2021 at 10:37 AM
Lisa su has officially announced the apus today.
5600g 259usd 5700g 359usd arriving august 5.
Maybe we'll get it by September then.
mitraark
mitraark #134
Jul 11, 2021 at 9:33 PM

Hope other processors also become available soon. I have been waiting to upgrade for a long time.. (My bio says i have a i7 6700k but it conked, im on a i3 7100, its bottlenecking my GTX 1070 while playing Valorant. Im looking forward to the i5 11400f but Zen 3 is also on the shortlist for its high IPC)
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #135
Jul 12, 2021 at 9:05 AM

Hope other processors also become available soon. I have been waiting to upgrade for a long time.. (My bio says i have a i7 6700k but it conked, im on a i3 7100, its bottlenecking my GTX 1070 while playing Valorant. Im looking forward to the i5 11400f but Zen 3 is also on the shortlist for its high IPC)
The i5 11400F is a better value for money CPU over R5 5600X as it's usually 18-20k vs 5600X's 26-28k. But 5600X will run ok with stock cooler & give close to full performance but i5 11400F will run fine at 65W & if you unlock its power limits for full performance, you will need a better cooler as it draws ~120W at full CPU load.

Also that seller for 5900X seems new, never heard of it. IMO CPU prices weren't too bad, like GPU.
mitraark
mitraark #136
Jul 12, 2021 at 10:46 PM
The i5 11400F is a better value for money CPU over R5 5600X as it's usually 18-20k vs 5600X's 26-28k. But 5600X will run ok with stock cooler & give close to full performance but i5 11400F will run fine at 65W & if you unlock its power limits for full performance, you will need a better cooler as it draws ~120W at full CPU load.

Also that seller for 5900X seems new, never heard of it. IMO CPU prices weren't too bad, like GPU.
I wont use the stock cooler, i have always felt an after market air cooler is an essential part of a build, in terms of performance as well as aesthetics. Have my eye on the GTE V2 but i may splurge on a ARCTIC Freezer 34 Esports Duo if i feel like it :grin: Just waiting for the CPU prices to cool down a bit.
khalil1210
khalil1210 #137
Jan 5, 2022 at 1:19 AM
AMD releases new cpu line up

*www.anandtech.com/show/17166/amd-a...s-for-laptops-zen3-on-6nm-with-rdna2-graphics
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #139
Jan 11, 2022 at 8:50 AM
Nice, was expected. AMD stop trying to compete under $300. R5 5600G wasn't a good attempt as well. So i5 11400F & the old i3 10105F or even i5 10400F got a new life with XMP support with B560. If AMD doesn't compete, Intel will stop trying as well in future. Bad for consumers.
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aby geek #140
Jan 11, 2022 at 7:08 PM
I wonder why 5300g hasnt appeared in india?
omega44-xt
omega44-xt #141
Jan 11, 2022 at 8:27 PM
I wonder why 5300g hasnt appeared in india?
Considering AMD's prices, wouldn't have mattered. The i5 10400F & 11400F would have been better for those building gaming rigs.
bssunilreddy
Jan 23, 2022 at 7:09 AM
Intel warns users to NOT overclock their non-K Alder Lake CPUs, cites "Damaging"

But according to

bssunilreddy
Jan 25, 2022 at 6:39 AM
Intel warns users against Overclocking Non-K Alder Lake processors
NiGHtfUrY
NiGHtfUrY #144
Feb 13, 2022 at 1:55 AM
Is i3-12100 (Non-F) available anywhere in India yet?