Sabayon Linux and Mepis querries

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Is sabayon linux really the most advanced Linux distro.it looks quite cool!!
Im DLing mepis and sabayon 2nite.Shud i try sabayon linux first or mepis??
PLzz share ur linux and mepis experiences guys

Mempis is based on debian while Sabayon is based on gentoo. I gues you'd feel more at home in mempis. But sabayon has a slick UI. There is no particular order in which you should try!

But again as a word of advice, try in VM.

Abe bahut uchal raha hai tu aajkal. Pehle Ek distro seekh le aaram se.

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CadCrazy said:
Abe bahut uchal raha hai tu aajkal. Pehle Ek distro seekh le aaram se.

ubuntu to ab hardy hi try karunga.
Ubuntu to try kar liya

@infra-i know mepis is like kubunu,in fact better than kubuntu but is sabyton really the most advanced linux distro?

I don't consider an OS/Distro as the "most advanced"! How can you normalize distros?

@Sunny, people tend to call that to Sabayon because it comes with all the codecs and polished UI. Apart from that, I don't see anything that Sabayon can do that others can't.

As far as Sabayon goes.. It has gr8 ATI support .. now it has got ATI CC by deafult.. . Sabayon has Portato Package manager.. which will get replaced in next release. Portato is good but pretty confusing .. Once you get used to it, its child's play.. Sabayon has gpt gr8 games and it has got multimedia out of teh box.. it has gr8 wifi support

thats all makes Sabayon a perfect desktop but Sabayon always seems to be sluggish.. atleast in my system :

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Gentoo has a great package management system called portage but it is something that has a steep learning curve. Then again, sabayon is based on gentoo unstable. That is, the most cutting edge distro. That is the actual reason why sabayon is called most advanced distro. But, the price you pay for it is that you won't be able to update or install anything by yourself without going through a lot of hassles initially. You will need to learn a lot of things. But, gentoo is worth it all.
But, if you want to take small steps then better go with mepis.

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both are DLed.OMG!!5.7GB DLed that that too when i started at 1AM!
ok which one to install mepis or sabayon?

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Your take.
Sabayon = most cutting edge but you won't be able to update anything till next release. you may not be able to install anything expect in the dvd, either, huge amount of software out of the box
mepis = comparatively older, easier to use apt to manage softwares, may miss latest version of certain drivers and softwares which you may need especially if you have very new hardware, smaller learning curve.

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mehulved said:
Your take.
Sabayon = most cutting edge but you won't be able to update anything till next release. you may not be able to install anything expect in the dvd, either, huge amount of software out of the box
mepis = comparatively older, easier to use apt to manage softwares, may miss latest version of certain drivers and softwares which you may need especially if you have very new hardware, smaller learning curve.

Y wont i be able to DL updates and SWs on sabayon?

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You can but it will be more difficult as portage has a higher learning curve. And entropy isn't yet stable.

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Holy sh1t!!!neither sabayon nor mepis is booting from the live CD but both are booting on my bro's P4,7600 GS

I think i must stick to vista x64 and use ubuntu hardy only.

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Hmm. Explain not booting? Is your optical disk the first boot device?

wtf?mepis and sabayon will sure work!

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sabyton goes makes the monitor go i standby mode coz of my sucky gpu and mepis shows command line!

I haf the same problem with sabayon too. It doesn't boot on my 8500gt. I think the 8 series nvidia gfx cards haf some allergy with certain linux distros.

is slackware different from sabayon?

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is slackware different from sabayon?

They are two different distros. I can use Sabayon on VirtualBox But I havent tried installing it yet.

slackware is NOT a n00b friendly distro.also,installing slackware can be said as a "crash course" to Linux

-same can be said with gentoo too!-

^^
got the feeling.. :d
tried installing it but there was no GUI..
installation was thru commands so dropped the idea of installing it ..

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Haha. Don't even come near slackware install unless you know what you're getting into. You're sureshot gonna wipe your hard disk clean while attempting to partition via the all mighty fdisk. Rest of the install is not that difficult. But, then the fun starts, once your install is over.

mehulved said:
Haha. Don't even come near slackware install unless you know what you're getting into. You're sureshot gonna wipe your hard disk clean while attempting to partition via the all mighty fdisk. Rest of the install is not that difficult. But, then the fun starts, once your install is over.

Don't scare the kid!!! :lol:

Slackware is not as bad/noob unfriendly as all make it appear to be!

^^Dude, I am the one who gets to say how n00b friendly it really is, as I will be soon finishing my Slackware 12 DVD Torrent download. Already ~18% is over. Few more nights needed.

Do you think I can handle slackware ?

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I think i shud try Kubuntu.I can use only 2 distros -ubuntu and kubuntu.Ill mess up with all others.
Dling kubuntu alternate

metal said:
^^Dude, I am the one who gets to say how n00b friendly it really is, as I will be soon finishing my Slackware 12 DVD Torrent download. Already ~18% is over. Few more nights needed.

Do you think I can handle slackware ?

U r a "full grown man" now with loadzz of "experience" in this "hungry" world. Ofcors u can handle it. Just take it slowly, calmly and carefully!

mediator said:
U r a "full grown man" now with loadzz of "experience" in this "hungry" world. Ofcors u can handle it. Just take it slowly, calmly and carefully!

the problem is, I still don't have a driving licence. I still use my Learners Licence on a damaged car.

PS: I hope you know what I mean

I dunno why everyone feels slackware is noob-unfriendly. The first distro I ever installed (i think it was may 1996 or so) was slackware! with all the blue + cyan bg/fg colors and white text

The problem is that we all are so much used to ubuntu/windows etc. that we feel stuff like core debian, slackware, gentoo is tuff. That logic is wrong.

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infra_red_dude said:
Don't scare the kid!!! Slackware is not as bad/noob unfriendly as all make it appear to be!

First time I tried slackware. I had to partition all of 17 times and spent 4 hours figuring out fdisk! Thankfully I had a fully formatted disk to play with.
Then comes the part, when you boot up right into a scary dark black console. No GUI straight up. Now, most of them will login as root. So, another reason why I don't recommend slackware.
Then comes package management. And worse of all handling config files. That will be fun. And if they have a nvidia or ati driver, they will prolly have to recompile the kernel, GOD SAVE THEM. I spent a whole week before my exams trying to compile something I don't remember now. That was what really got me started in this forum.
I guess only person to land on this forum who has used slackware longer than me is Satish.

mehulved said:
First time I tried slackware. I had to partition all of 17 times and spent 4 hours figuring out fdisk! Thankfully I had a fully formatted disk to play with.
Then comes the part, when you boot up right into a scary dark black console. No GUI straight up. Now, most of them will login as root. So, another reason why I don't recommend slackware.
Then comes package management. And worse of all handling config files. That will be fun. And if they have a nvidia or ati driver, they will prolly have to recompile the kernel, GOD SAVE THEM. I spent a whole week before my exams trying to compile something I don't remember now. That was what really got me started in this forum.
I guess only person to land on this forum who has used slackware longer than me is Satish.

Yes, I fully agree with you on the Drivers part.

But root login and stuff.. I think all that "no root login" craze started after Ubuntu came with the idea... su, sudo, no-root-login weren't this popular before.

mehulved said:
First time I tried slackware. I had to partition all of 17 times and spent 4 hours figuring out fdisk! Thankfully I had a fully formatted disk to play with.
Then comes the part, when you boot up right into a scary dark black console. No GUI straight up. Now, most of them will login as root. So, another reason why I don't recommend slackware.
Then comes package management. And worse of all handling config files. That will be fun. And if they have a nvidia or ati driver, they will prolly have to recompile the kernel, GOD SAVE THEM. I spent a whole week before my exams trying to compile something I don't remember now. That was what really got me started in this forum.
I guess only person to land on this forum who has used slackware longer than me is Satish.

But isn't it possible to configure it to make it launch GDM or KDM at startup ?
And these days drivers are easier than they used to be, aren't they ?

^well,even archlinux ftp ends up in a terminal,even Debian boots into a terminal in a network install.that gives space for what packages u can install.

but I HATE("

") slackware as the package manager is even lazy to find the dependencies :evil:

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praka123 said:
but I HATE("") slackware as the package manager is even lazy to find the dependencies

I really love slackware, it's untamed, raw power.

To do it you have to know it.

MetalheadGautham said:
But isn't it possible to configure it to make it launch GDM or KDM at startup ?
And these days drivers are easier than they used to be, aren't they ?

It is but it requires you to manually edit required configuration files.
Yes, it's easier. But ask a newbie to compile a kernel and also installing binary drivers is still a problem for them.

infra_red_dude said:
Yes, I fully agree with you on the Drivers part.

But root login and stuff.. I think all that "no root login" craze started after Ubuntu came with the idea... su, sudo, no-root-login weren't this popular before.

Sorry I disagree. No root login by default idea has been around much before that. I was told that while using FC2, a few months before ubuntu was born and atleast a year before ubuntu became popular.
Ubuntu rather made the concept of sudo much more famous. But, now I find it rather lame thing to give all rights to sudoer. That defeats the whole purpose of what sudo was meant for.

mehulved said:
First time I tried slackware. I had to partition all of 17 times and spent 4 hours figuring out fdisk! Thankfully I had a fully formatted disk to play with.

I Installed Slackware in a dual boot configuration in one go! (And i was a noob back then)

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You're a geek. I am not.

Yeah Slackware is not as bad as everyone makes it look like. You don't hafta be a geek! And FC2 definitely didn't haf the concept of no-root login allowed. I've used most of the distros before ubuntu and yes, ubuntu was the one which popularized sudo.

That is one thing I change as soon as I install ubuntu.. enable root login.

I guess the disc. is about sabayon and I'd say if you can get sabayon working then that is great news for you. I hafn't heard much about ppl using the full version of sabayon about installing packages! Most of the packages you'll ever need is already there....

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People have always discouraged logging in a root directly. Use of su only when needed has been taught to me right through. Yes, root login was possible but it always has been discouraged, ubuntu or no ubuntu. I am not talking about sudo here.

I don't see how loggin in as root is dangerous (at least for me) when I can do the same and everything else with sudo!

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Kubuntu DLed .

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No offense but you need to stop changing distros. Install a distro and stick with it. If you liked Kubuntu you could have installed Ubuntu and then just installed the KDE packages , or the xfce packages for Xubuntu etc. I think you can pretty much accomplish anything which is available in any other distro by a bit of configuration but to be frank I don't think I nor ANYONE in this forum know what you are looking for in a distro :S .

Sunny1211993 said:
Kubuntu DLed .

you could have just done sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. it was just 150 mb. plus you get to keep both ku and u.

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MetalheadGautham said:
you could have just done sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. it was just 150 mb. plus you get to keep both ku and u.

I dont want gnome anymore.I did almost all kinda experiments on it.Emerald themes,GDM etc.
Now i wanna try KDE

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I dont want gnome anymore.I did almost all kinda experiments on it.Emerald themes,GDM etc.
Now i wanna try KDE

Which is kind of what we both said. once you download the packages for KDE on Ubuntu you can choose to log on to KDE and do whatever you would do on Kubuntu anyway. I dont think theres ANY difference at all.

stick on one distro(ubuntu?). :evil:

else chupacabra will take u :evil:

praka123 said:
stick on one distro(ubuntu?). else chupacabra will take u

the problem with sunny is that he is trying to move to a new distro when he has not even mastered a single distro. So I am trying to tell him to stick to ubuntu gutsy, learn it and master it, along with stuff like nano, vi, apt-get, etc, then by the time Hardy comes, he will be ready to start experimenting. But he wants to do stuff too quickly.

MetalheadGautham said:
But he wants to do stuff too quickly.

Clouded this boy's future is.

praka123 said:
stick on one distro(ubuntu?). else chupacabra will take u

lol...

Btw Sunny is trying to get some life from normal routine, he is not into Linux really.

rayraven said:
Clouded this boy's future is.

depends.

@sunny: do you have AIDS, Cancer, or any other disease by which you will die soon ? If so, I will take my words back. Move quickly and do as much as you can in this short life of yours.

Offtopic: T159, awesome siggy. obviously the women part.

offtopic: wats that Pop BooBoos

rayraven said:
Offtopic: T159, awesome siggy. obviously the women part.

thnx

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MetalheadGautham said:
the problem with sunny is that he is trying to move to a new distro when he has not even mastered a single distro. So I am trying to tell him to stick to ubuntu gutsy, learn it and master it, along with stuff like nano, vi, apt-get, etc, then by the time Hardy comes, he will be ready to start experimenting. But he wants to do stuff too quickly.

Ill Install ubuntu gusty 2day and will stick to it till hady comes out.

rayraven said:
Clouded this boy's future is.

Really??

huh!

T159 said:
lol...

Btw Sunny is trying to get some life from normal routine, he is not into Linux really.

No i want linux as my primary OS and windows only for gaming coz windows becomes bloated after a week or 2 of its installation which makes me sick.
For entertainment,surfing,downloading etc i need a Debian based distro.

MetalheadGautham said:
depends.

@sunny: do you have AIDS, Cancer, or any other disease by which you will die soon ? If so, I will take my words back. Move quickly and do as much as you can in this short life of yours.

ROFL

@sunny

act smart & stick to ONE DISTRO.

just to tell you that i get blazing fast net speed in linux as compared to vanilla XP install.

I luv downlaoding much more stuff in few hrs

One more thing, now i dont care wat goes in and out while using pendrive, sissy viruses fails here...lol.

Exaile is one of the best audio player after foobar 2000.

Theming capabilities are far more and easier than anything.

I have a shell script for every kinda rescue.

Even if system hangs (I hav one buggy HDD ) just press CTRL + ALT + REISUB (unmounts partition and restarts).

Exaile is one of the best audio player after foobar 2000.

Eh / you forgot Amarok

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Installed and configured ubuntu gusty.Wont experiment much now

Ill try cedega too. isohunt zindabad!

Dark Star said:
Eh / you forgot Amarok\

i was talking abt gnome.

Amarok takes time to start in Gnome

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Yes, it will considering it needs to load kdelibs.

IMHO,exaile has grown to a real good player.

wats up with video player ???
am stuck with Kaffeine and VLC.
Kaffeine is better IMO, slightly better than VLC.

imo,xine-ui serves fine for me

else gmplayer

am using xine engine for Kaffeine, is this the same xine UI ?

^^Xine is a audio engine for linux which provides codecs just like gstreamer while Xine-UI is a Video player which is xine backend

K so xine can be used by Totem, Kaffeine and Amarok

I installed Kaffeine and then when checked the xine to install it displayed some i386 error, so went to the synaptic and manually checked the required xine libs

linxine1-ffmpeg
libxine1-gnome
libxine1-plugins

Now its working perfectly

Why dont you people try SMplayer? IMHO its the best video player out there..

kalpik said:
Why dont you people try SMplayer? IMHO its the best video player out there..

+1