Safari to eliminate Firefox, Opera & every browser except IE?

Source: John’s Blog

Safari is to eliminate Firefox, Opera & every alternate browser : Steve Jobs

That is not a statement from a random blogger or a fanboy but is an indication from Steve Jobs' latest WWDC keynote speech.

Steve Job’s keynote at WWDC this year inspired some and was disappointing to others — but, as usual, it was interesting & entertaining. I’ve always liked Apple’s products, and spend an embarrassing amount of my own money on them. So I’m interested in what he’s got to say.

Every so often though, as inspired as he is, he says something that betrays at best a blurry view of the real world, at worst an explicit intent to bring more of the world under directed control from Cupertino, and that happened Monday.

The big news, of course, is that Apple’s releasing Safari on Windows — and although it’s been a rough first few days for them (and will get rougher), more choices are generally good for users, and so I’m hopeful that they can work to produce a product of quality on Windows eventually. I’m quite fond of Firefox, of course, and am very happy that people everywhere in the world continue to adopt our browser in increasing numbers.

Here’s a screen capture from the keynote of what Steve thinks the world looks like today (discussion starts at about 1:06 into the preso):

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We could quibble with the numbers, but close enough. It doesn’t give much credit to the large & growing number of other quality browsers that are on the scene today, and certainly doesn’t give any sophisticated understanding of the situation outside the United States, where things vary more. Close enough, though.

But here’s the graph that betrays the way that Steve, and by extension Apple, so often looks at the world:

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I would leave it on you to make all conclusions from the two slides but if Apple even remotely plans to eliminate browsers like Firefox and Opera from then web then they really need to do lot better than what they are actually doing with Safari.

Weird that in both cases, IE has the same market share. You would assume that Apple would target IE instead of Firefox and others...

Elmooo, what you doing up so late?

Weird..But this is seriously True!

...I just saw a DIGG post which showed the insane stats of No of Downloads of Safari Browser as soon as it was released for WINDOWS

well apple is targeting firefox and opera then ie ...........
they r doing a big mistake because eliminating ff is become impossible
due to addons.......

safari is just an average browser.safari needs to compete with avant or other crappy browsers.

rakeshishere said:
Weird..But this is seriously True! ...I just saw a DIGG post which showed the insane stats of No of Downloads of Safari Browser as soon as it was released for WINDOWS

Have a look at this:

*bofe.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/review-safari-beta-for-windows/

And as somebody on DIGG rightly said,
No of downloads = No of uninstallations

No of downloads doesn't proof anything bro!!

on windows ff rocks.
safari can only dream of replacing ff,opera,etc.

S

FF is so good and addons really makes it better than IE any day. Opera is also good one. I tried Safari and still using it but its very slow as compared to FF or Opera on my computer. It sometimes crawls loading pages with heavy graphics. Even IE does better job than Safari in this case. So this statement about replacing FF & Opera is really baseless.

Suppose we assume Safari as Webkit + UI

Now, in its current state, Webkit is no where close to the speed, memory usage & ability of Gecko or Opera engine. So Jobs can just forget about the engine part taking over.

Now, UI. Firefox & Opera blend in the Windows Market. They use the standard Windows UI components, like stretch from any side, cleartype font for font rendering, WPF (maybe) etc. Other things like ctrl+tab for cycling between tabs, ctrl+f4 for closing a tab.

Safari on the other hand brings a completely new & non-Windows standard UI to Windows Vista. Not only it looks foreign, it acts foreign too. You cannot make a new tab by double clicking on the tab bar. Then you cannot even resize it from any side, or cycle through tabs using CTRL+tab, but u have to do it using ctrl+shift+] now don't tell me using 3 keys is better then using 2 keys cos that is the mac way

Jobs like to make other people work the way he likes & intends, not giving any choice for the people to work the way they want which Opera & Firefox provides. Its either the Apple way or the highway.

There is no chance Safari Software can prevail on Windows or eat the market share of Firefox or Opera. On a Mac it will prevail cos Safari is native to Mac while Firefox is not. On Windows the speed of non-native apps is also very close to native apps while on Mac, non native apps are buggy & slow. Opera on the other hand can make a Mac native version if they like cos there engine is also controlled by Opera only.

may be someday konqueror too enters the battle in windows field

btwn i am happy with Epiphany browser.gr8 and simple.

Rubbish, Safari on Windows is never going to succeed. At least, not much. It is certainly not taking over Firefox.

I think Jobs might have said the same about Mac OS X when it was released .

"Mac OS is going take over the world" *farm1.static.flickr.com/217/510658461_afdbb73060_o.gif

Dear Mr. Steve Jobs,
Please keep dreaming of replacing Opera ( I dont care of other browsers ) do what ever you want... but opera is here to stay and will not go away from my system and my mobile. BTW Safari is released only for OS X , Windows and your iPhone pls let me know if there are others.

Opera has support the following OS

Windows
Solaris Sparc
Solaris Intel
QNX
OS/2
MacOS
Linux Sparc
Linux PowerPC
Linux i386
FreeBSD i386
BeOS

Opera is also available for many consumer devices.

TV and Set-Top Boxes
Consumer Electronics
Automotive & Transportation
Nintendo DS
Nintendo Wii

And not to mention support for hundreds of Mobile phones with Opera Mini.

And for your for your kind information, your safari browser on my system has gone to africa for a permanent safari and will not return.

Warm Regards
Opera RULZ

goobimama said:
Elmooo, what you doing up so late?

You ever had a Great Dane in your family who wants to sleep in your bed and would just not budge? You would really miss your bed then and lots of sleep as well

Indyan said:
Is Safari faster? Is Safari cheating?

Just to support you
Wired News Benchmarks Show Safari 3 Is Slower Than IE 7, Firefox

That I don't agree with. Safari is the fastest of all the browsers I have on my Mac - and the number of browsers I have would make anyone dizzy:
Camino
Firefox
Internet Explorer (Windows)
OmniWeb
Opera
Opera (Windows)
Shiira
Safari

Out of all these, Safari is undoubtedly the fastest and I use it exclusively now. I guess you realise this when you are browsing the Internet on an EDGE connection. Opera comes second, by the way.

charangk said:
And for your for your kind information, your safari browser on my system has gone to africa for a permanent safari and will not return.

lmfao

You ever had a Great Dane in your family who wants to sleep in your bed and would just not budge? You would really miss your bed then and lots of sleep as well

Try getting a cat. The sleep just spreads all over the place like a disease...

Anyway, my comment was actually a joke, cause I posted that five minutes after you (slept at 6 am)

charangk said:
And for your for your kind information, your safari browser on my system has gone to africa for a permanent safari and will not return.

Lol

Even my safari browser is going to Africa for a permanent safari

I wish they wouldn't make such tall claims. As they say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating

I should just reiterate my opinion of the mac and all that it stands for

Indyan said:
i) He said while promoting iPhone - "It is the full Internet in your pocket for the first time". We all know thanks to Opera its already possible on hundreds of sets.

OMG! When I heard about iPhone having fully compliant HTML browser...the first thing that came to my mind was "Hey, Opera can do that" but then my mobile knowledge is so limited I just stayed shut

he is just dreamin n let him dream. NO CAN CAN ELIMINATE THE GREAT OPERA. OPERA ROCKS!!

Oh please, I have used Opera on a Symbian phone. I thought it was great but since I've seen how you browse the Internet on the iPhone, Opera sucks. Seriously, have you guys seen the demo?

And YouTube on Apple TV has its own interface and it is like having the videos stored locally. The Wii, on the other hand, just has the Opera browser through which you can browse the Internet and therefore, you can also v iew YouTube videos. There is no comparison.

And BTW, declaring your target for your product, no matter how far-fetched it may be, is not lying.

aryayush said:
Oh please, I have used Opera on a Symbian phone. I thought it was great but since I've seen how you browse the Internet on the iPhone, Opera sucks. Seriously, have you guys seen the demo?
.

I have not seen the demo. Can you please elaborate the features !!! dont just give a link and tell see the demo. Tell what you have experieanced with iPhone and its browser.

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Is there any other guys here who find running Opera on Symbian phone as "SUCKS!!" ?

eddie said:
Safari is to eliminate Firefox, Opera & every alternate browser : Steve Jobs

no wonder every mac user cracks jokes :lol:

every alternate browser :lol:

charangk said:
Tell what you have experieanced with iPhone and its browser

he hasnt used but as he is a true mac boy if its apple its the best ... ever seen a race horse he has those vision blockers on their eyes that dont allow em to see side ways poor arya is facing a similar dilemma ... he cant see anything else other than that rin supreme washed (safedi) mac book of his

Oh please, I have used Opera on a Symbian phone. I thought it was great but since I've seen how you browse the Internet on the iPhone, Opera sucks. Seriously, have you guys seen the demo?

I pronounce this as the Joke of the day . iPhone Safari works only with iPhone while Opera works with millions of symbian phones as well as Windows Mobile Phones as well as normal phones such as your Nokia 6300 in the form of OperaMini.

Speaking of which, guys this is definitely a video to watch released by Opera Mini team. OperaMini vs iPhone

And YouTube on Apple TV has its own interface and it is like having the videos stored locally. The Wii, on the other hand, just has the Opera browser through which you can browse the Internet and therefore, you can also v iew YouTube videos. There is no comparison.

Do some research first. Both use the same method. Apple TV connects to YouTube & downloads the video to its HD & while it is downloading it plays it. Wii also does the same but it doesn't save it instead just buffers it cos Wii has no HD.

YouTube is even available at any mobile Phone running Opera Native like Windows Mobile or Symbian or even Windows Mobile using IE. Just open *m.youtube.com/ in your phone

Is there any other guys here who find running Opera on Symbian phone as "SUCKS!!" ?

I have a K750i & use opera Mini, but my next phone is going to be a Symbian OS phone, most likely W960i cos I found the use of Opera for Symbian while I was in Gurgaon & Opera Mini won't let me save the files to my Phone. Well, not the fault of Opera as my Phone has no native opera for it. Opera on mobile phone just rocks. Just one guy will say it sux,,....Macboy

Opera+SYmbian>Safari on iPhone, for that matter, the native browser on the new e series phones from nokia> safari on iphone, the browser even includes support for flash animations.

teknoPhobia said:
Opera+SYmbian>Safari on iPhone, for that matter, the native browser on the new e series phones from nokia> safari on iphone, the browser even includes support for flash animations.

yups my dad's E62 browser rocks although i have opera mini beta installed too . both work great .

aryayush said:
And YouTube on Apple TV has its own interface and it is like having the videos stored locally. The Wii, on the other hand, just has the Opera browser through which you can browse the Internet and therefore, you can also view YouTube videos. There is no comparison.

thus it also means that you're not just bound to youtube and you can browse other content providers too .

i don't know if Apple TV allows you to surf web , but if it doesn't then it's really sad coz like u said , There is no comparison .

arya a piece of advice its for ur own good stop blindly following the baldy

charangk said:
Dear Mr. Steve Jobs,
Please keep dreaming of replacing Opera ( I dont care of other browsers ) do what ever you want... but opera is here to stay and will not go away from my system and my mobile. BTW Safari is released only for OS X , Windows and your iPhone pls let me know if there are others.

Opera has support the following OS

Windows

Solaris Sparc

Solaris Intel

QNX

OS/2

MacOS

Linux Sparc

Linux PowerPC

Linux i386

FreeBSD i386

BeOS

Opera is also available for many consumer devices.

TV and Set-Top Boxes

Consumer Electronics

Automotive & Transportation

Nintendo DS

Nintendo Wii

And not to mention support for hundreds of Mobile phones with Opera Mini.

And for your for your kind information, your safari browser on my system has gone to africa for a permanent safari and will not return.

Warm Regards
Opera RULZ

thats perfectly all right jobs iphone ipod mac all are great product but having dream to remove firefox and opera to our system is just bullshit ..........

The only way he can Eliminate Firefox & Opera on Windows is

1) Switch to something better like Gecko Engine

2) Support firefox's thousands of extensions

3) Make it look like a Windows Application like Firefox.

Oh wait....if he does this, it is already firefox

Apple needs to make the Safari browser for Windows, in a window-ish manner. Webkit is slower then Gecko/Opera on Windows so atleast he can do is to make a WPF UI based browser for Vista.

Oh wait, again....apple is a hardware company & has no Idea what WPF is, despite of using WPF....I mean Core animation